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Posted: 27 September 2006
Pines and I sent this info. to each other before we started our scat
play together. This will give you an insight as to what Pines likes
and why he thinks the way he does.
What do you mean by scat or shit play?
[Puddles] The word "Scat" is derived from the ancient Greek word for
dung or excrement. The Jazz singing style is thought to be called scat
because the singers are just 'talking shit'. In the context of this
FAQ, however, Scat refers to sexual play involving shit.
Shit play encompasses a 'Brown Rainbow' of sexual desire. Some scat
players are only into the visual aspects, such as watching someone take
a dump or looking at an unflushed toilet while aroused. Many are into
smearing shit on their bodies. Some like to eat shit. Still others are
into 'Farming' or gathering shit from public toilets. For most it is
probably some combinatation of these activities.
Mentally it is multi-faceted as well. For some it is an extremely
intimate exchange between those involved, almost a sacrament. For
others it serves as the climax of a heavy BDSM or humiliation scene.
Even animal shit can be incorporated into scat play. Safe to say, if it
has to do with the intersection of shit and sex, it?s scat.
Do people REALLY do that?
[RedRight]Yes, they really do. If you go explore some of the sites I
list on my links page you'll find photographic proof.
Aww, come on! Are you crazy? That?s sick!
[Puddles] There are probably health-care professionals who will say
that even masturbation is a sick activity given the right motivation.
On the other hand, anything you do that you are comfortable with and
don?t find the need to impose or inflict on uninterested parties isn?t
sick. The biggest category of mental illness associated with scat is
probably the guilt that some people feel from doing it.
If you are, say, missing work to go looking for shit sex, you do have a
problem. The shit, however, isn?t it. The problem is the obsessive
behavior and that could be focused on anything. Being into shit, in and
of itself, isn?t sick.
[RedRight] Personally, I don't think so. Personally, you might. We
could argue back and forth and probably never reach agreement. That's
OK, as long as we can also agree that if my behavior doesn't harm you
then you have no basis to try and control it. In short: Keep your laws
off my body.
Crazy? Define crazy. Outside societal norms? Certainly, and quite happy
being so. That's part of the fun. Being outside of societal norms,
however, is not, in and of itself, a bad thing. Society is arguably
enhanced and strengthend by a diversity of behaviors. Behaviors outside
the norm help define the norm. They are the societal equivalent of
mutations in the biological world. A certain amount is necessary for
healthy evolution and change.
How can that possibly be erotic?
[RedRight] I'm not sure I can really explain that. Fetishes and kinks
work below the rational level of our minds, down near the subconscious.
That's what gives them a lot of their power. A rational answer on a
kink or fetish will always miss the mark by a bit. None-the-less, I'll
There are many aspects of shit that are erotic for afficianados. Many
of these are mental. For some the mere fact that it is so very taboo is
enough to eroticise shit play. Add to that the fact that shit is highly
symbolic, giving it a great mental kick. When you play with shit you
are manipulating a huge variety of symbols and metaphors, many of them
with powerful erotic content. For others, who find the exchange of
power erotic, the complete submission given by accepting another's
shit in or on yourslef is the key erotic element. For myself, there is
an element of challenge to shit play: it is hard sex. That challenge
is, in itself, erotic. Also, shit is an offering from deep inside the
body, making it very, very intimate. Finally, its association with the
anal region, a highly erogenous zone, adds to its erotic power.
On the physical side, shit also has some very attractive elements.
It's warm and squishy, like a fine mud on a hot summer day. The feel
of shit on your skin can be very sensous. Even the smell, which we are
programmed to dislike, avoid, and fear is actually an intense, rich,
complex odor that can have many erotic elements if you just let
yourself smell it.
Finally, perhaps the overriding element, the sum of all the others:
shit is INTENSE. Your whole body, your whole mind are wildly stimulated
when you get into it.
Isn't shit poisonous? Won't it kill you?
[RedRight] No, it's not poisionous and playing with it generally
won't kill you.
Are a lot of people into this?
[RedRight] That depends on what you mean by a lot. Scat is certainly
not the most common of fetishes or kinks, but it's a lot more
widespread than most people realize. Witness the fact that there are a
fair number of commercial sex sites dedicated to it. That means there
are a good number of people willing to pay to see it. The Scatsite
portion of the Redright web gets about 600 visitors a day and it's
just a relatively small, non-commercial site.
It's just a Gay thing, right?
[RedRight] Absolutely not! There are a lot more straight scat
enthusiasts than Gay ones. We Gay boys don't have the corner on the
market for perversion -- we just have more fun with it!
Again, I turn to experience with my site: Early on I added about 50 Gay
scat pics to my website and they were moderately popular. Then I added
12 straight scat pics to my site. They were so popular they very
quickly started getting more traffic than the rest of my site combined.
I had to remove them because the traffic was overruning my site.
An unscientific survey with the aid of a couple of search engines
showed that at least 80% of the web sites found in a search for "scat
sex" will be straight. That's gotta tell you something.
Is shit play illegal?
Are stories, videos, and pictures of shit play illegal?
I really want to get into scat play but I can't get past the smell,
what can I do?
[RedRight] While there are things that can be done to moderate the
smell of shit you can't get rid of it. Stink is part of the essence of
shit. In general, what you must set out to do is to reprogram your brain
so that the smell is no longer unpleasant. How? Slowly. If you're
asking this question there there is already some aspect of shit that is
erotic to you. Work to build an association between that aspect of shit
and the smell.
Almost since birth, you've been brainwashed that the smell of shit is
a 'bad smell' (and that shit was bad in general). The smell itself
isn't really all that bad. All you have to do is gently undo that bad
programming you've unconsciously received and replace it.
The next time you take a dump and you're wiping, reach out with your
mind to that aspect of shit that is already erotic and, once you've
made that connection, take a good whiff of the dump you've just
dropped. Sniff the brown smear on the toilet paper and think your
favorite dirty shit thoughts. Your brain is a powerful associateve
engine. There are hundreds of little everyday exercises you can do to
build erotic associations with the smell.
For me a lot of the aversion to the smell of shit was just
unfamiliarity. My solution was to build familiarity. It's pretty
normal for me now to take a deep long whiff of my dumps. Farts too
provide great opportunity -- when someone blows a cloud in your
vacinity your reflex might be to hold your breath. Get over it! Smell
it -- there's treasure in the air!
I really want to get into scat play but I'm afraid of getting together
with someone and loosing it (puking, etc.). What can I do to prepare
What is meant by shit "farming"? (...and where can I get some
[Puddles] Farming is scat slang for collecting shit from public
sources. It is scat without the donor knowing. The ?Farmer? usually
traps shit in a toilet by turning the water off so it can?t flush or by
using devices that allow water to pass through, but retaining the shit.
Some farmers also search out beaches and parks were guys shit outdoors,
like surfers at the beach or party spots in large parks. Some farmers
have sophisticated ruses to get people to not flush the toilet. They
might pretend to be a janitor and telling the shitting person that
there is a plumbing problem. Some farming requires a lot of nerve, some
a lot of patience. Outhouse lovers may fall into the farming category.
[RedRight] I'll be selling the seeds in my new Yahoo on-line store
very soon... :)
How can I get the smell of shit off of my skin after a shit play
What are the health risks associated with shit play?
[RedRight] (Temporary answer whail I do a bit more research)
Here are some links to information on infectious agents of concern to
Parasites and bacteria: shigella, giardia, e-coli.
Viri: Hepatitis A, Hepatitis B, Hepatitis C
[Puddles] Shit can contain things that can hurt and even kill you.
There are several infectious agents that can be passed in shit and are
of particular concern. Parasites are at the top of the list. Giardia is
common bacteria in the western US. I can?t say for the rest of the
planet, but, it is here. It is found in ground water and works its way
up. It is a bastard to kill too. E-coli gets a lot of press and is also
a concern. There are many strains of e-coli, most are perfectly
harmless, and some are only mildly dangerous. However, there are some
strong strains that have surfaced in recent years, from livestock and
their shit. They can make almost anyone sick, however they have only
been fatal to children, the elderly, and others who have compromised
immune systems. This is the same bug you can get from undercooked
meats. Hepatitis, a virus, is the other major concern. There are shots
for the more common A and B strains. A new strain, however, now
referred to as C can kill you by destroying your liver. Without a
transplant you will die. Think about how good your health insurance is
when you consider this one folks! I know I can?t get a new liver.
Is there anything I can do to protect my health before I get into shit
[RedRight] (Temporary answer, copied from the Pig Pages Health Section)
You should have the Hepatitis A and B vaccine, as well as pneumococcal
(pneumonia) and a yearly influenza vaccine. You may even want to take
the thyphoid series of vaccines.
It's too late for precautions, I played, I got sick, what do I do
How likely is it that the HIV virus will be passed by shit play?
[Puddles] I don?t think it?s very likely. There are a few problems with
HIV transmission during scat sex that aren?t covered in most safer sex
guides. Gone are the days when we didn?t understand how the retro virus
worked. Now we know. It is a big fucker and not very good at taking care
of itself. HIV dies when exposed to oxygen. Temperatures below 70F or
higher that 120F kill it too.
If we were to blow up viruses to visible size you would see another
important aspect of HIV: it's big for a virus. If the Rhino Virus
which causes colds were the size of a penny, then HIV would be the size
of a large beach ball.
You can?t catch a cold without exposing yourself to Rhino virus through
a mucus membrane. Most people get colds from breathing in Rhino Virus
and it passes into us through the mucus in our noses. It?s too big to
get through normal skin! Now imagine that beach ball HIV trying to get
in. It needs a special point of entry. You practically have to roll out
the red carpet. The easiest is injecting HIV directly into your blood
stream. Or exposing an absorbing mucus membrane to enough vital HIV to
allow it to survive being absorbed. Like your rectum or a woman?s
It becomes much harder to transmit via excreting membranes like your
mouth, nose, or urethra. The very act of excretion flushes HIV away.
The mouth, in particular, is a poor point of entry for the virus since
it is constantly excreting saliva, which flushes the HIV away.
Breathing also keeps the mouth well supplied with Oxygen -- a killer
gas to HIV.
So, during a scat scene there are few opportunities for HIV to gain
access to you. First, shit only contains small amounts of HIV and shit
isn?t a very hospitable environment for HIV. Most of the virus would
die. The shit would have to be pretty bloody for there to be enough HIV
Next, you?d have to expose your self to the bloody shit by shoving it
up your ass. (By the way, if your partner has bloody shit, stop playing
and call for an ambulance. Please.) Eating it probably wouldn?t provide
a good enough opportunity for it. Smearing it exposes it to the air and
kills it. So, I just can?t see where HIV transmission can occur in scat
How do I know if it's safe to eat a particular guy's shit?
[Puddles] If your donor has disease it can be passed to you. With this
in mind consider who your partners will be in scat play. You should try
to know the health status and recent history of your tops/players. Many
of these ailments have symptoms. I would suggest not playing with
anyone who is ill, uses drugs habitually, or lacks basic hygiene
habits. Raunchy is cool, rotting might get you sick.
What foods make the best shit?
What are some foods to avoid?
What kind of diet should I follow if I want to produce massive
quantities of shit?
[Puddles] Eat fiber. Lots of fruits and vegetables. The down side is
that they will be very soft. For hard turds reduce your fiber and eat
binding foods high in protein. People on the Atkins diet have very hard
shit. The down side is that there is less bulk to it. A top holding off
the urge may make bigger harder turds. The lower colon absorbs moisture
from your shit. Reclaiming the moisture your body added to lubricate
your food during digestion.
How can I control when I have shit to play with? // How can I be sure
I'll have shit for a shit scene?
I'm going to feed a beginner, what should I eat to make my shit easier
(blander, less stinky) for him to deal with?
I'm going to feed a real pig who craves abuse, what should I eat to
make my shit as fucking nasty as possible?
I don't have diarrhea, but my shit is usually pretty soft and mushy,
what can I do to firm it up?
Can shit be stored? How is it best done?
Is there an off-line shit newsletter or contact rag?
Yeah, it's called Jack's #2 or The Shit List. (More information
Is there an on-line shit mailing list?
Yeah, about a dozen of them. (More information coming soon.)
Are there other on-line resources for shit men?
Are there any venues that hold shit play parties?
[RedRight] Damn few. There are two that I know of, the most famous is
'het Vagevuur' in Eindhoven, the Netherlands. They have scat nights
every other month (currently on the 4th Saturday). The other is the
lab.oratory in Berlin where their motto is "dress dirty - play safe."
They have some sort of scat event every month.
Are there any scat clubs or organizations?
What IRC (Internet Relay Chat) channels are frequented by scat
[RedRight] On EFnet you will find #gayscat and #gayraunch. #gayraunch
usually has more people on it but, as it's name implies, #gayscat is a
little more focused.
Where can I get some good shit videos?
What is the story behind the classic "Dave's" "Basic Training..."
and "Life of Service..." videos?
[RedRight] Well, I only know a little of it. There are two series of
three tapes each. All the titles in one series start with "Basic
Training" and all the titles in the other start with "Feeding the
Hungry" They were made sometime in the 80's with tender loving care
by a handsome young guy named "Dave" from San Francisco. You can see
the list, and order them from the Dirty Boys on their video sale page
(http://www.geocities.com/the_dirty_boys/newdeal2001.html about halfway
down the page...)
By my measure, the movies are probably the best shit films out there.
The Federal Government, however, decided that this had to be stopped
and got Dave on tax evasion.
He was actually sent to jail from what I heard. He is out now, and
living around SF, but, understandably, keeps a low profile. I would
love to talk to him someday.
I, personally, have a special connection to the video "Basic Training:
San Francisco Style." It was my bridge from Fisting to Scat. There is a
scene in it where a pretty young blonde boy (who I later learned was
Dave, himself) gets fisted with a very full ass. Needless to say it
gets wonderfully messy. I was so disgusted I couldn't stop watching
it. I must have nearly worn out that spot on the tape. From there it
was just a short hop to starting to watch other parts of the tape -
starting my brown slide into scat.
I have the pleasure of knowing two of the pigs featured in the videos
and I have always intended squeezing them for more info... Someday,
I'll have to get the whole story. For now, let's all just enjoy
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