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Posted: 27 September 2006

Pines and I sent this info. to each other before we started our scat
play together.  This will give you an insight as to what Pines likes
and why he thinks the way he does.

Basics

What do you mean by scat or shit play?

[Puddles] The word "Scat" is derived from the ancient Greek word for
dung or excrement. The Jazz singing style is thought to be called scat
because the singers are just 'talking shit'. In the context of this
FAQ, however, Scat refers to sexual play involving shit.

Shit play encompasses a 'Brown Rainbow' of sexual desire. Some scat
players are only into the visual aspects, such as watching someone take
a dump or looking at an unflushed toilet while aroused. Many are into
smearing shit on their bodies. Some like to eat shit. Still others are
into 'Farming' or gathering shit from public toilets. For most it is
probably some combinatation of these activities.

Mentally it is multi-faceted as well. For some it is an extremely
intimate exchange between those involved, almost a sacrament. For
others it serves as the climax of a heavy BDSM or humiliation scene.
Even animal shit can be incorporated into scat play. Safe to say, if it
has to do with the intersection of shit and sex, it?s scat.

Do people REALLY do that?

[RedRight]Yes, they really do. If you go explore some of the sites I
list on my links page you'll find photographic proof.

Aww, come on! Are you crazy? That?s sick!

[Puddles] There are probably health-care professionals who will say
that even masturbation is a sick activity given the right motivation.
On the other hand, anything you do that you are comfortable with and
don?t find the need to impose or inflict on uninterested parties isn?t
sick. The biggest category of mental illness associated with scat is
probably the guilt that some people feel from doing it. 

If you are, say, missing work to go looking for shit sex, you do have a
problem. The shit, however, isn?t it. The problem is the obsessive
behavior and that could be focused on anything. Being into shit, in and
of itself, isn?t sick.

[RedRight] Personally, I don't think so. Personally, you might. We
could argue back and forth and probably never reach agreement. That's
OK, as long as we can also agree that if my behavior doesn't harm you
then you have no basis to try and control it. In short: Keep your laws
off my body.

Crazy? Define crazy. Outside societal norms? Certainly, and quite happy
being so. That's part of the fun. Being outside of societal norms,
however, is not, in and of itself, a bad thing. Society is arguably
enhanced and strengthend by a diversity of behaviors. Behaviors outside
the norm help define the norm. They are the societal equivalent of
mutations in the biological world. A certain amount is necessary for
healthy evolution and change.

How can that possibly be erotic?

[RedRight] I'm not sure I can really explain that. Fetishes and kinks
work below the rational level of our minds, down near the subconscious.
That's what gives them a lot of their power. A rational answer on a
kink or fetish will always miss the mark by a bit. None-the-less, I'll
try.

There are many aspects of shit that are erotic for afficianados. Many
of these are mental. For some the mere fact that it is so very taboo is
enough to eroticise shit play. Add to that the fact that shit is highly
symbolic, giving it a great mental kick. When you play with shit you
are manipulating a huge variety of symbols and metaphors, many of them
with powerful erotic content. For others, who find the exchange of
power erotic, the complete submission given by accepting another's
shit in or on yourslef is the key erotic element. For myself, there is
an element of challenge to shit play: it is hard sex. That challenge
is, in itself, erotic. Also, shit is an offering from deep inside the
body, making it very, very intimate. Finally, its association with the
anal region, a highly erogenous zone, adds to its erotic power.

On the physical side, shit also has some very attractive elements.
It's warm and squishy, like a fine mud on a hot summer day. The feel
of shit on your skin can be very sensous. Even the smell, which we are
programmed to dislike, avoid, and fear is actually an intense, rich,
complex odor that can have many erotic elements if you just let
yourself smell it.

Finally, perhaps the overriding element, the sum of all the others:
shit is INTENSE. Your whole body, your whole mind are wildly stimulated
when you get into it. 

Isn't shit poisonous? Won't it kill you?

[RedRight] No, it's not poisionous and playing with it generally
won't kill you.

[Puddles]

Are a lot of people into this?

[RedRight] That depends on what you mean by a lot. Scat is certainly
not the most common of fetishes or kinks, but it's a lot more
widespread than most people realize. Witness the fact that there are a
fair number of commercial sex sites dedicated to it. That means there
are a good number of people willing to pay to see it. The Scatsite
portion of the Redright web gets about 600 visitors a day and it's
just a relatively small, non-commercial site.

It's just a Gay thing, right?

[RedRight] Absolutely not! There are a lot more straight scat
enthusiasts than Gay ones. We Gay boys don't have the corner on the
market for perversion -- we just have more fun with it! 

Again, I turn to experience with my site: Early on I added about 50 Gay
scat pics to my website and they were moderately popular. Then I added
12 straight scat pics to my site. They were so popular they very
quickly started getting more traffic than the rest of my site combined.
I had to remove them because the traffic was overruning my site. 

An unscientific survey with the aid of a couple of search engines
showed that at least 80% of the web sites found in a search for "scat
sex" will be straight. That's gotta tell you something.

Is shit play illegal?

Are stories, videos, and pictures of shit play illegal?

Beginners

I really want to get into scat play but I can't get past the smell,
what can I do?

[RedRight] While there are things that can be done to moderate the
smell of shit you can't get rid of it. Stink is part of the essence of
shit. In general, what you must set out to do is to reprogram your brain
so that the smell is no longer unpleasant. How? Slowly. If you're
asking this question there there is already some aspect of shit that is
erotic to you. Work to build an association between that aspect of shit
and the smell.

Almost since birth, you've been brainwashed that the smell of shit is
a 'bad smell' (and that shit was bad in general). The smell itself
isn't really all that bad. All you have to do is gently undo that bad
programming you've unconsciously received and replace it.

The next time you take a dump and you're wiping, reach out with your
mind to that aspect of shit that is already erotic and, once you've
made that connection, take a good whiff of the dump you've just
dropped. Sniff the brown smear on the toilet paper and think your
favorite dirty shit thoughts. Your brain is a powerful associateve
engine. There are hundreds of little everyday exercises you can do to
build erotic associations with the smell.

For me a lot of the aversion to the smell of shit was just
unfamiliarity. My solution was to build familiarity. It's pretty
normal for me now to take a deep long whiff of my dumps. Farts too
provide great opportunity -- when someone blows a cloud in your
vacinity your reflex might be to hold your breath. Get over it! Smell
it -- there's treasure in the air!

I really want to get into scat play but I'm afraid of getting together
with someone and loosing it (puking, etc.). What can I do to prepare
myself?

What is meant by shit "farming"? (...and where can I get some
seeds!)

[Puddles] Farming is scat slang for collecting shit from public
sources. It is scat without the donor knowing. The ?Farmer? usually
traps shit in a toilet by turning the water off so it can?t flush or by
using devices that allow water to pass through, but retaining the shit.
Some farmers also search out beaches and parks were guys shit outdoors,
like surfers at the beach or party spots in large parks. Some farmers
have sophisticated ruses to get people to not flush the toilet. They
might pretend to be a janitor and telling the shitting person that
there is a plumbing problem. Some farming requires a lot of nerve, some
a lot of patience. Outhouse lovers may fall into the farming category.

[RedRight] I'll be selling the seeds in my new Yahoo on-line store
very soon... :)

How can I get the smell of shit off of my skin after a shit play
session?


Health

What are the health risks associated with shit play?

[RedRight] (Temporary answer whail I do a bit more research)

Here are some links to information on infectious agents of concern to
scat players:

Parasites and bacteria: shigella, giardia, e-coli.
Viri: Hepatitis A, Hepatitis B, Hepatitis C

[Puddles] Shit can contain things that can hurt and even kill you.
There are several infectious agents that can be passed in shit and are
of particular concern. Parasites are at the top of the list. Giardia is
common bacteria in the western US. I can?t say for the rest of the
planet, but, it is here. It is found in ground water and works its way
up. It is a bastard to kill too. E-coli gets a lot of press and is also
a concern. There are many strains of e-coli, most are perfectly
harmless, and some are only mildly dangerous. However, there are some
strong strains that have surfaced in recent years, from livestock and
their shit. They can make almost anyone sick, however they have only
been fatal to children, the elderly, and others who have compromised
immune systems. This is the same bug you can get from undercooked
meats. Hepatitis, a virus, is the other major concern. There are shots
for the more common A and B strains. A new strain, however, now
referred to as C can kill you by destroying your liver. Without a
transplant you will die. Think about how good your health insurance is
when you consider this one folks! I know I can?t get a new liver.

Is there anything I can do to protect my health before I get into shit
play?

[RedRight] (Temporary answer, copied from the Pig Pages Health Section)
You should have the Hepatitis A and B vaccine, as well as pneumococcal
(pneumonia) and a yearly influenza vaccine. You may even want to take
the thyphoid series of vaccines. 

It's too late for precautions, I played, I got sick, what do I do
now?

How likely is it that the HIV virus will be passed by shit play?

[Puddles] I don?t think it?s very likely. There are a few problems with
HIV transmission during scat sex that aren?t covered in most safer sex
guides. Gone are the days when we didn?t understand how the retro virus
worked. Now we know. It is a big fucker and not very good at taking care
of itself. HIV dies when exposed to oxygen. Temperatures below 70F or
higher that 120F kill it too.

If we were to blow up viruses to visible size you would see another
important aspect of HIV: it's big for a virus. If the Rhino Virus
which causes colds were the size of a penny, then HIV would be the size
of a large beach ball. 

You can?t catch a cold without exposing yourself to Rhino virus through
a mucus membrane. Most people get colds from breathing in Rhino Virus
and it passes into us through the mucus in our noses. It?s too big to
get through normal skin! Now imagine that beach ball HIV trying to get
in. It needs a special point of entry. You practically have to roll out
the red carpet. The easiest is injecting HIV directly into your blood
stream. Or exposing an absorbing mucus membrane to enough vital HIV to
allow it to survive being absorbed. Like your rectum or a woman?s
vagina. 

It becomes much harder to transmit via excreting membranes like your
mouth, nose, or urethra. The very act of excretion flushes HIV away.
The mouth, in particular, is a poor point of entry for the virus since
it is constantly excreting saliva, which flushes the HIV away.
Breathing also keeps the mouth well supplied with Oxygen -- a killer
gas to HIV.

So, during a scat scene there are few opportunities for HIV to gain
access to you. First, shit only contains small amounts of HIV and shit
isn?t a very hospitable environment for HIV. Most of the virus would
die. The shit would have to be pretty bloody for there to be enough HIV
for transmission.

Next, you?d have to expose your self to the bloody shit by shoving it
up your ass. (By the way, if your partner has bloody shit, stop playing
and call for an ambulance. Please.) Eating it probably wouldn?t provide
a good enough opportunity for it. Smearing it exposes it to the air and
kills it. So, I just can?t see where HIV transmission can occur in scat
play.

How do I know if it's safe to eat a particular guy's shit?

[Puddles] If your donor has disease it can be passed to you. With this
in mind consider who your partners will be in scat play. You should try
to know the health status and recent history of your tops/players. Many
of these ailments have symptoms. I would suggest not playing with
anyone who is ill, uses drugs habitually, or lacks basic hygiene
habits. Raunchy is cool, rotting might get you sick.

Production

What foods make the best shit?

What are some foods to avoid?

What kind of diet should I follow if I want to produce massive
quantities of shit?

[Puddles] Eat fiber. Lots of fruits and vegetables. The down side is
that they will be very soft. For hard turds reduce your fiber and eat
binding foods high in protein. People on the Atkins diet have very hard
shit. The down side is that there is less bulk to it. A top holding off
the urge may make bigger harder turds. The lower colon absorbs moisture
from your shit. Reclaiming the moisture your body added to lubricate
your food during digestion.

How can I control when I have shit to play with? // How can I be sure
I'll have shit for a shit scene?

I'm going to feed a beginner, what should I eat to make my shit easier
(blander, less stinky) for him to deal with?

I'm going to feed a real pig who craves abuse, what should I eat to
make my shit as fucking nasty as possible?

I don't have diarrhea, but my shit is usually pretty soft and mushy,
what can I do to firm it up?

Can shit be stored? How is it best done?

Community

Is there an off-line shit newsletter or contact rag?

Yeah, it's called Jack's #2 or The Shit List. (More information
coming soon.)

Is there an on-line shit mailing list?

Yeah, about a dozen of them. (More information coming soon.)

Are there other on-line resources for shit men?

Are there any venues that hold shit play parties?

[RedRight] Damn few. There are two that I know of, the most famous is
'het Vagevuur' in Eindhoven, the Netherlands. They have scat nights
every other month (currently on the 4th Saturday). The other is the
lab.oratory in Berlin where their motto is "dress dirty - play safe."
They have some sort of scat event every month.

Are there any scat clubs or organizations?

What IRC (Internet Relay Chat) channels are frequented by scat
players?

[RedRight] On EFnet you will find #gayscat and #gayraunch. #gayraunch
usually has more people on it but, as it's name implies, #gayscat is a
little more focused.

Shit Videos

Where can I get some good shit videos?

What is the story behind the classic "Dave's" "Basic Training..."
and "Life of Service..." videos?

[RedRight] Well, I only know a little of it. There are two series of
three tapes each. All the titles in one series start with "Basic
Training" and all the titles in the other start with "Feeding the
Hungry" They were made sometime in the 80's with tender loving care
by a handsome young guy named "Dave" from San Francisco. You can see
the list, and order them from the Dirty Boys on their video sale page
(http://www.geocities.com/the_dirty_boys/newdeal2001.html about halfway
down the page...)


By my measure, the movies are probably the best shit films out there.
The Federal Government, however, decided that this had to be stopped
and got Dave on tax evasion. 


He was actually sent to jail from what I heard. He is out now, and
living around SF, but, understandably, keeps a low profile. I would
love to talk to him someday. 


I, personally, have a special connection to the video "Basic Training:
San Francisco Style." It was my bridge from Fisting to Scat. There is a
scene in it where a pretty young blonde boy (who I later learned was
Dave, himself) gets fisted with a very full ass. Needless to say it
gets wonderfully messy. I was so disgusted I couldn't stop watching
it. I must have nearly worn out that spot on the tape. From there it
was just a short hop to starting to watch other parts of the tape -
starting my brown slide into scat. 


I have the pleasure of knowing two of the pigs featured in the videos
and I have always intended squeezing them for more info... Someday,
I'll have to get the whole story. For now, let's all just enjoy
Dave's legacy.

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Posted: 27 September 2006

Comparison of bowel patterns in hispanics and non-Hispanic whites 

Abstract  Survey questionnaires can be used to characterize normal
bowel habits and the prevalence of bowel dysfunction. To determine
whether ethnic and sex-related differences in bowel patterns exist
between Hispanics and non-Hispanic whites, we conducted a survey of a
nonpatient population in El Paso, on the U.S.-Mexico border. A
forced-choice, self-report questionnaire was distributed to 1014
subjects and returned by 1000. Data from the 905 Hispanic and
non-Hispanic white subjects were compared. Stool frequency was analyzed
by multiple linear regression, and bowl dysfunction variables were
analyzed by stepwise logistic regression, in ethnic and sex groups.
Data were also analyzed controlling for age, socioeconomic status,
dietary factors, and use of laxatives. There was a significant sex
difference in mean number of stools per week reported (P<0.0001):
Hispanic males greater than Hispanic females (8.6 vs 7.5) and
non-Hispanic white males greater than non-Hispanic white females (9.3
vs 7.2). The frequency of irritable bowel syndrome-type symptoms was
greater in females than males (23.4% vs 9.6%,P<0.001) and was less in
Hispanics than non-Hispanic whites (16.9% vs 21.8%,P<0.05), but a
significant ethnic difference was not found after controlling for
covariates. Additionally, females reported more alternating bowel
pattern (44.0% vs 28.5%,P<0.001) and constipation (25.5% vs
12.4%,P<0.01) than males, and non-Hispanic white females more abdominal
pain than the other subgroups (P<0.05). Ethnic differences in dietary
factors that may be relevant to bowel function were identified. This
survey of a biethnic nonpatient population shows that, for both
Hispanic as well as non-Hispanic whites, males have a greater stool
frequency than females and there are sex differences in the prevalence
of bowel dysfunction. Hispanics did not differ from non-Hispanic whites
in stool frequency, while the finding of an ethnic difference in the
prevalence of irritable bowel syndrome requires further study for
clarification.

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Rectal laxatives are used as enemas or suppositories to produce bowel
movements in a short time.

There are several different types of rectal laxatives and they work in
different ways. Since directions for use are different for each type,
it is important to know which one you are taking. The different types
of rectal laxatives include:

Carbon dioxide-releasing

Carbon dioxide-releasing laxatives (e.g., potassium bitartrate and
sodium bicarbonate) are suppositories that encourage bowel movements by
forming carbon dioxide, a gas. This gas pushes against the intestinal
wall, causing contractions that move along the stool mass.

Hyperosmotic

Hyperosmotic laxatives (e.g., glycerin; sodium phosphates) draw water
into the bowel from surrounding body tissues. This provides a soft
stool mass and increased bowel action.

Lubricant

Mineral oil coats the bowel and the stool mass with a waterproof film.
This keeps moisture in the stool. The stool remains soft and its
passage is made easier.

Stimulants

Stimulant laxatives (e.g., bisacodyl; senna), also known as contact
laxatives, act on the intestinal wall. They increase the muscle
contractions that move along the stool mass.

Stool softeners (emollients)

Stool softeners (emollient laxatives—e.g., docusate) encourage bowel
movements by helping liquids mix into the stool and prevent dry, hard
stool masses. This type of laxative has been said not to cause a bowel
movement but instead allows the patient to have a bowel movement
without straining.


Rectal laxatives may provide relief in a number of situations such as:


before giving birth. 
for a few days after giving birth. 
preparation for examination or surgery. 
to aid in developing normal bowel function following a period of poor
eating habits or a lack of physical exercise (glycerin suppositories
only). 
following surgery when straining should be avoided. 
constipation caused by other medicines. 
Some of these laxatives are available only with your doctor's
prescription. Others are available without a prescription; however,
your doctor may have special instructions for the proper use and dose
for your medical condition. They are available in the following dosage
forms: 

Rectal 
Bisacodyl 
Rectal solution (U.S. and Canada) 
Suppositories (U.S. and Canada) 
Docusate 
Rectal solution (U.S.) 
Glycerin 
Rectal solution (U.S.) 
Suppositories (U.S. and Canada) 
Mineral Oil 
Enema (U.S. and Canada) 
Potassium Bitartrate and Sodium Bicarbonate 
Suppositories (U.S.) 
Senna 
Suppositories (U.S. and Canada) 
Sodium Phosphates 
Enema (U.S. and Canada) 



Before Using This MedicineReturn to top 
Importance of diet, fluids, and exercise to prevent constipation

Laxatives are to be used to provide short-term relief only, unless
otherwise directed by your doctor. A proper diet containing roughage
(whole grain breads and cereals, bran, fruit, and green, leafy
vegetables), with 6 to 8 full glasses (8 ounces each) of liquids each
day, and daily exercise are most important in maintaining healthy bowel
function. Also, for individuals who have problems with constipation,
foods such as pastries, puddings, sugar, candy, cake, and cheese may
make the constipation worse.

If you are using this medicine without a prescription, carefully read
and follow any precautions on the label. For rectal laxatives, the
following should be considered:

Allergies—Tell your doctor if you have ever had any unusual or allergic
reaction to rectal laxatives. Also tell your health care professional if
you are allergic to any other substances, such as preservatives or dyes.


Children—Laxatives should not be given to young children (up to 6 years
of age) unless prescribed by their doctor . Since children cannot
usually describe their symptoms very well, they should be checked by a
doctor before being given a laxative. The child may have a condition
that needs other treatment. If so, laxatives will not help and may even
cause unwanted effects or make the condition worse.

Also, weakness, increased sweating, and convulsions (seizures) may be
especially likely to occur in children receiving enemas or rectal
solutions, since they may be more sensitive than adults to their
effects.

Older adults—Weakness, increased sweating, and convulsions (seizures)
may be especially likely to occur in elderly patients, since they may
be more sensitive than younger adults to the effects of rectal
laxatives.

Other medical problems—The presence of other medical problems may
affect the use of rectal laxatives. Make sure you tell your doctor if
you have any other medical problems, especially: 
Appendicitis (or signs of) or 
Rectal bleeding of unknown cause—These conditions need immediate
attention by a doctor 
Intestinal blockage—The use of laxatives may create other problems if
this condition is present 



Proper Use of This MedicineReturn to top 
For safe and effective use of laxatives: 

Follow your doctor's orders if this laxative was prescribed. 
Follow the manufacturer's package directions if you are treating
yourself. 
For patients using the enema or rectal solution form of this medicine:


This medicine usually comes with patient directions. Read them
carefully before using this medicine. 
Lubricate anus with petroleum jelly before inserting the enema
applicator. 
Gently insert the rectal tip of the enema applicator to prevent damage
to the rectal wall. 
Results often may be obtained with: 
bisacodyl enema in 15 minutes to 1 hour. 
docusate enema in 2 to 15 minutes. 
glycerin enema in 15 minutes to 1 hour. 
mineral oil enema in 2 to 15 minutes. 
senna enema in 30 minutes, but may not occur for some individuals for
up to 2 hours. 
sodium phosphates enema in 2 to 5 minutes. 
For patients using the suppository form of this medicine: 

If the suppository is too soft to insert, chill the suppository in the
refrigerator for 30 minutes or run cold water over it, before removing
the foil wrapper. 
To insert suppository: First remove the foil wrapper and moisten the
suppository with cold water. Lie down on your side and use your finger
to push the suppository well up into the rectum. 
Results often may be obtained with: 
bisacodyl suppositories in 15 minutes to 1 hour. 
carbon dioxide–releasing suppositories in 5 to 30 minutes. 
glycerin suppositories in 15 minutes to 1 hour. 
senna suppositories in 30 minutes, but may not occur for some
individuals for up to 2 hours. 
Dosing—

There are a large number of laxative products on the market. The dose
of laxatives will be different for different products. The amount of
enema or the number of suppositories that you use depends on the
strength of the medicine. Follow your doctor's orders if this medicine
was prescribed, or follow the directions on the box if you are buying
this medicine without a prescription.

Storage—

To store this medicine: 

Keep out of the reach of children. 
Store away from heat and direct light. 
Do not store in the bathroom, near the kitchen sink, or in other damp
places. Heat or moisture may cause the medicine to break down. 
Do not keep outdated medicine or medicine no longer needed. Be sure
that any discarded medicine is out of the reach of children. 


Precautions While Using This MedicineReturn to top 
Do not use any type of laxative: 

if you have signs of appendicitis or inflamed bowel (such as stomach or
lower abdominal pain, cramping, bloating, soreness, nausea, or
vomiting). Instead, check with your doctor as soon as possible. 
more often than your doctor prescribed. This is true even when you have
had no results from the laxative. 
if you do not need it, as for the common cold, ``to clean out your
system,'' or as a ``tonic to make you feel better.'' 
if you miss a bowel movement for a day or two . 
If you notice a sudden change in bowel habits or function that lasts
longer than 2 weeks, or keeps returning off and on, check with your
doctor before using a laxative. This will allow the cause of your
problem to be determined before it becomes more serious.

The ``laxative habit''—Laxative products are overused by many people.
Such a practice often leads to dependence on the laxative action to
produce a bowel movement. In severe cases, overuse of some laxatives
has caused damage to the nerves, muscles, and tissues of the intestines
and bowel. If you have any questions about the use of laxatives, check
with your health care professional. 

For patients using the enema or rectal solution form of this medicine:


Check with your doctor if you notice rectal bleeding, blistering, pain,
burning, itching, or other sign of irritation not present before you
started using this medicine. 
For patients using the suppository form of this medicine: 

Do not lubricate the suppository with mineral oil or petroleum jelly
before inserting into the rectum. To do so may affect the way the
suppository works. Moisten only with water. 


Side Effects of This MedicineReturn to top 
Along with its needed effects, a medicine may cause some unwanted
effects. Although not all of these side effects may occur, if they do
occur they may need medical attention.

Check with your doctor as soon as possible if any of the following side
effects occur:

Less common 
Rectal bleeding, blistering, burning, itching, or pain (with enemas
only)  


Other side effects may occur that usually do not need medical
attention. These side effects may go away during treatment as your body
adjusts to the medicine. However, check with your doctor if the
following side effect continues or is bothersome:

Less common 
Skin irritation surrounding rectal area  


Other side effects not listed above may also occur in some patients. If
you notice any other effects, check with your doctor.




Brand NamesReturn to top 
Some commonly used brand names are:

In the U.S.— 

Bisco-Lax1
Ceo-Two5
Dacodyl1
Deficol1
Dulcolax1
Fleet Babylax3
Fleet Bisacodyl1
Fleet Enema7
Fleet Enema for Children7
 
 Fleet Enema Mineral Oil4
Fleet Glycerin Laxative3
Fleet Laxative1
Sani-Supp3
Senokot6
Theralax1
Therevac Plus2
Therevac-SB2

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I love it when Pines and I play games at home.  He'll sit on a chair
with a hole in the bottom after eating a healthy portion of Mexican
food.  He'll take a rectal laxative and then we'll start the fun by
having my face and mouth open under the chair while he evacuates his
bowels.  I love it.  I stoke his long penis while he does and as he
evacuates himself, he'll usually cum on my chest.  We then lube up and
Pines reams me up the arse.  I'll yelp and call out things to Pines
like, Oh you brute, don't stop, oh Daddy, your so big, Oh Daddy don't
stop.  He'll usually pull out and ram my throat for awhile until he
blows his hot love juice all over me again.  I love it!

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Name: 
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Employed as: APE, for 10-20 years
Posted: 27 September 2006

Mr. Nelson, I'm sorry you aren't buying today.  That is your choice,
but you know what?  I'm not trying to sell you anything.  My post is
legit in every sense except I am not an APE.  I am NOT CSX damage
control either.  I am however a CSX employee.  Why do I use APE then? 
I suppose that is my paranoia showing.  It really shouldn't matter now
should it.  I guess if CSX really wanted to find out who I was they
could so maybe by me using APE sort of gives me a bit of cover. 
Ridiculous, I know, but who can explain what makes one feel a bit more
anonymous.

Let me take on what you say in your post one paragraph at a time.

"This is a CSX-SUCKS on SAFETY SITE.  One would think that (AT LEAST)
CSX Employees would be airing safety problems wouldn't you?
You would think that the UNION BROTHERS would be trying to protect one
another, wouldn't you?"
I do see CSX employees airing safety problems on this site.  I have
many times in the past.  Speaking for myself, I don't see airing
safety problems on here as doing any good.  I do it because it is what
I consider a sounding board and it's better to get things off my chest
than not to.  As much as I wish to hope that someday someone will read
this stuff and have the power to do something about them in reality
that probably won't happen.  I am not CSX's babysitter.  They know
what they are doing wrong and nothing I can say will prevent them from
continuing their practices.  Union brothers?  Again, get real.  While
there are some guys and gals that do back one another up they seem to
be amongst the few.  The "protection" you speak of comes in to play
only after a union brother or sister gets into trouble.  I believe the
union tries but with the present political climate they are at best
handicapped.  The unions dropped the ball big time.  Infighting, former
union presidents in jail all serve to allow the carriers to laugh in our
faces.  Sure, we are "united" again according to the BLET and UTU. 
I'll believe it, not when I see it, but when something actually gets
done.  I was watching Thompsons' little speech today he has on his
website.  Want to know what got me?  It was in his speech where he
listed the MANY, MANY examples of how the union has helped the
carriers.  I have to ask myself...WHY?  Sure, help them out once or
twice but I will be damned if I would have continued to help them out
all those times if the company "used and abused" us after all labor
did for them.  In my opinion there was something else going on
there...maybe some sort of "payoff" to the union officers that the
union brothers didn't get to see any of.  Things that make one go
hmmmm.  OK, I got off on a union rave here.  Let's get back to your
post.

"Train Crewmen are NOT stupid people, as would these posts suggest. 
Therefore I must conclude that the posters are CSX Damage Control
desperately trying to stop Pines posting valuable information."
No, trainmen are not stupid people.  I agree with you that some of the
posters are damage control but some are also coming from people who
just like to stir the pot.  However, I cannot see CSX damage control
worrying too much about Robert Pines.  Pines posted "valuable"
information once.  The rest of the time all he has done is post stupid
shit and all that has done is anger the less brilliant of us, or those
who enjoy baiting him along.  See it for what his posts have become
Dave.  That was my whole point in my previous post that you took to be
me trying to sell you something.


"Let me give an example:  CSX and the FRA is trying to hanger the
maintainer and train crew in the Henrietta accident.  The UNION
BROTHERS wouldn't let this happen, if they could prove CSX Management
was at fault, now would you?  Mr. Pines is more supportive of these
RR's in Henrietta than ANY UNION BROTHER.  WATCHIE what Mr. Pines can
do.  Mr. Pines, in Henrietta, CSX claimed "OOOO it was salt that the
city put on the crossing----WAIT it was the train crew who blew
through
a stop and flag----NO,NO it was the maintainer and poor maintenance. 
See if you can find other instances in which a RR ILLEGALLY (for those
who don't understand that means against the FREAKING law)disabled the
train detection system because of snow, place a stop and flag (WHOOPS!
I mean slow down and ILLEGALLY) activate the crossing with the island
circuit.  When the train wipes out a driver the RR then blames the
train crew for not having stopped and flagged.  BUT WAIT!"
I looked up that mess in Henrietta.  I couldn't find a whole lot out
about it but what I did find was interesting.  As I have said before,
if CSX is doing something illegal then they should be held accountable
for it.  Sounds good doesn't it.  Look where it has got you Dave.  You
might win a few fights with CSX now and then, but the war hasn't been
won yet and it won't be by the CSX employees.  Our pockets aren't
deep enough and we need our jobs.  Now please, don't go getting all
into the morality bit that kind of statement is bound to lead to.  We
are talking real life here and not idealism.  CSX will forever try to
blame someone else then take on their responsibility.  I see it on a
daily basis.

   "I do SOOOO love to play this freaking mind game with you Damage
Control
people.  I'm gonna miss it pretty soon.  ANNND you're going to miss
your jobs. CHECK AND MATE"
I wasn't playing mind games with you Dave.  I'm not in damage
control.  My sole intent was to shut Pines down for reasons I stated. 
I to think that the people who respond to Pines in the way that some do
are stooping pretty low, but you know what Dave?  Pines asks for it.

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Name: Dave Nelson
E-mail: 
Employed as: Corporate office, for 20-30 years
Posted: 27 September 2006

RE: APE

Thanks for the vote of confidence, BUT, I'm not buying today.

This is a CSX-SUCKS on SAFETY SITE.  One would think that (AT LEAST)
CSX Employees would be airing safety problems wouldn't you?
You would think that the UNION BROTHERS would be trying to protect one
another, wouldn't you?

NOTTA!!!!!!!

The posts from (SUPOSED) CSX train crews are completely mindless and
directed at Mr. Pines (Who has NEVER claimed to be a RR'er), saying
all manner of filth about him and his wife.

Train Crewmen are NOT stupid people, as would these posts suggest. 
Therefore I must conclude that the posters are CSX Damage Control
desperately trying to stop Pines posting valuable information.

Let me give an example:  CSX and the FRA is trying to hanger the
maintainer and train crew in the Henrietta accident.  The UNION
BROTHERS wouldn't let this happen, if they could prove CSX Management
was at fault, now would you?  Mr. Pines is more supportive of these
RR's in Henrietta than ANY UNION BROTHER.  WATCHIE what Mr. Pines can
do.  Mr. Pines, in Henrietta, CSX claimed "OOOO it was salt that the
city put on the crossing----WAIT it was the train crew who blew through
a stop and flag----NO,NO it was the maintainer and poor maintenance. 
See if you can find other instances in which a RR ILLEGALLY (for those
who don't understand that means against the FREAKING law)disabled the
train detection system because of snow, place a stop and flag (WHOOPS!
I mean slow down and ILLEGALLY) activate the crossing with the island
circuit.  When the train wipes out a driver the RR then blames the
train crew for not having stopped and flagged.  BUT WAIT!  

I do SOOOO love to play this freaking mind game with you Damage Control
people.  I'm gonna miss it pretty soon.  ANNND you're going to miss
your jobs. CHECK AND MATE

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Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 27 September 2006

http://www.ble.org/pr/news/headline.asp?id=17026


Here's your link to the CN story below.

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Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Corporate office, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 27 September 2006

ALL CSX AGREEMENT EMPLOYEES SUCK. JAX MGT RULES!

WATCH YOUR BACKS. WE ARE OUT TO GET YOU. 

YOU ARE ALL OVERPAID WHINERS.  AS PINES POINTED OUT, A 6TH GRADER CAN
DO YOUR JOB FOR MINIMUM WAGE.  YOUR ALL A BUNCH OF MONKEYS.  MONKEY SEE
MONKEY DO.

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Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Crew Dispatcher, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 27 September 2006

My Mother, my sister, my Grandmother, my female cousins are all two-bit
whores who like to have german shepherds ram them in their vaginal
orifice while the dog claws at their back and unloads his hot animal
love juice deep inside them.  My cousin said she wants to go after the
horse next.  She is not sure if she will be able to keep all of his
love juice inside her but she is going to try. So if you are in the
area of Elkins, WV, just stop by.  You can usually see them bitches
under the underpass of the RR tracks and 55/33 near the horseshoe
curve.  They like an audience those crack whores.

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Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 10-20 years
Posted: 27 September 2006

You know what amazes and frustrates me with this Safety Forum?  Quite a
few people who decide to post here have legitimate safety concerns in
which the public should be made aware of.  This is also a forum that
attempts to "call out" CSX's blatant disregard for safety of not
only its employees but that of the general public.  It is a shame that
quite possibly a person just might come along and read these concerns
only to have to be subjected to Robert Pines' senseless ramblings. 
His diatribe certainly turns me off so can you imagine what it does to
someone who just might be able to help?  Robert Pines mistakenly thinks
his ramblings are having, or he hopes they are having, an effect.  In
reality what he is doing is actually benefitting the carriers, thereby
shooting himself in the foot.  Look at Mr. Nelsons' agenda for
example.  Mr. Nelson is attempting to show us a serious problem with
crossing protection.  Is his point getting accross?  Probably to those
of us who come here on a regular basis is it, but to someone who may
have the power to do something about it, well, I doubt it.  That person
comes in here, sees the garbage Robert Pines posts, and immediately
chocks this forum up to disgruntled employees and whackos.  To the
moderators of this website, you are doing the general public and the
employees of CSX a disservice by allowing Robert Pines to post here. 
What would we have to do to get him and anything coming from his
computer banned from this site?  He has been banned from other sites,
why not this one?  I, for one, am done with attempting to get any
points accross on this site until Robert Pines is gone.

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Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: M of W, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 27 September 2006

CN spokesman Mark Hallman said the company filed an action plan with
Transport Canada last Friday.

Can you provide a link to the article in question or give us an idea
where the statement was printed/posted, etc?

Thanks!

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Name: Robert Pines
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 27 September 2006

Any sixth grade nath student is qualified. You take the $400,000 quad
gate poject. The signal unions quad gate salesman statement and it
leaves $361,000 for a 15 second egg timer and labor.

http://www.house.gov/transportation/rail/07-21-05/pickett.pdf ...The
only modification required is the installation of two additional gate
mechanisms and a timing device that would allow vehicles to exit the
crossing before lowering the gates across the traffic exit
lanes....Hmmm, proof of major overcharges on quad gates huh? 

http://www.dot.state.mn.us/ofrw/Rail%20Conf/May%209/15_30%20a/Young.pdf

4. Gates - $39K

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Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 27 September 2006

CN spokesman Mark Hallman said the company filed an action plan with
Transport Canada last Friday.

"I think they were of a relatively minor nature," he said of the 21
safety violations.



21 safety violations.  As these weed weasels lie in wait in bushes
along the tracks and try their best to fire us over ANY violation, this
joker from CN says safety violations are of minor nature.  When given
efficiency failures for ANY violation we have it drilled into our heads
that safety is taken seriously by railroads.  How many of us who are
dragged into an investigation were to say that "it was only a minor
violation" would have our jobs intact at the end of the
"investigation?"  Officials make such a big deal over any violation
that a train crew committs it makes me wonder how in the same breath
they can say "I think they were of a relative minor nature."  Mr.
Railroad official...which is it?  It is a minor violation or a major
one?  You need to fire Mark Hallmans ass or have him to called into an
"investigation."  Let the kangaroo court begin....

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Name: slack action
E-mail: 
Employed as: M of W, for 1-10 years
Posted: 27 September 2006

Pines, once again you are not a qualified signal mtr.  so do not
interject your theory of how to fix crossing gates.  You just keep
working on your steering wheel idea and i will keep working on the idea
of putting a catipult system under a car... you are an idiot!!!

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Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 27 September 2006

Do you think that Whore Bitch Ellen  Fitzsimmons got laid last night?

I hope so.  She has been such a cunt lately.  But then again, who would
want to fuck her sloppy cunt?  The bitch smells too.

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Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 27 September 2006

I Love it when PInes grabs my head with both hands and ramrods my mouth
so hard and makes me gag and vomit and blows his hot seed down my
throat all the while telling me what a low life piece of shit I am and
bitch slapping me too.

I am a low life cowardly son-of-a-whore fucking locomotive engineer.

CSX thinks I am too.

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Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 27 September 2006

Ohh My God, Pines has discovered Youtube.

Pines, that isn't the "black box."  Among other things, it's a
diagnostics panel.  Basically, if anything goes wrong with a locomotive
it gives a report on that panel.  The "black box" is generally located
in the nose of the locomotive before you come up the steps. on the left.
 It's in an "easy access" location simply for the train crew to be
able to tamper with to cover for us having no steering wheel and sucky
brakes. 

The computer screens do not block your vision.  If they weren't there
you would be looking at more nose of the locomotive.

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Name: Robert Pines
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 26 September 2006

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU7vPAg3Jsw
Geez, why not just blinders instead of the booth/screens right in the
drivers line of sight? Now at 14 sesonds is that the recorder the cops
would need to know where it was at to seize right after a collision?

http://www.house.gov/transportation/rail/07-21-05/pickett.pdf

...The only modification required is the installation of two additional
gate mechanisms and a timing device that would allow vehicles to exit
the crossing before lowering the gates across the traffic exit
lanes....Hmmm, proof of major overcharges on quad gates huh?

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Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 26 September 2006

Pines,

Proof that there is no steering in those CSX locomotives, however, I
hear the new UP C44ACCTE's and SD70MAC's have them as well a jet
assist thrust reversers to slow the train in no time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU7vPAg3Jsw

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Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Engine repair, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 26 September 2006

Guess they had to scrap this power.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jvt9WiD1b0

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