Asleep At The Wheel

Casey Jones you'd better,
watch your speed...

    "The railroad is a 24 hour a day, 7 day a week operation", many of us have been told, when requesting some extra 'rest' between jobs. Unfortunately, the people that make the railroad move, like all other people, do not operate "24 hours a day, 7 days a week".

    Anyone who's worked around the clock has either seen, or experienced first-hand, the inevitable effects of sleep deprivation. Maybe it was you, maybe it was the jitney driver, maybe it was....

    The real fun is when someone tries to explain to the crew-caller that they are too tired to go to work.

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Employed as: APE, for 20-30 years
Posted: 28 July 2016

as I recall, several years ago Matt Long mentioned that CSX were on the
3rd major replacement of the AC system. At the time he was assigned
responsibility for working with contractors on repairs. There are many
failures in Building 5, design flaws, safety issues, etc. I wonder if
the similar building 5's throughout the system have the same issues? I
always thought the heat / ac failures were a result of undersized units,
poor air control, and a desire to regulate temperature in the management
section and just let the crew areas go to hell. BTW anyone know what
Matt Long is doing now?

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Employed as: Conductor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 25 July 2016

A company that abuses any system the FRA or unions put in writing
intimidation and harassment is all there about put fear in hard working
men it going to hit um in the ass some day I work here and to be honest
they don't even pay you for a day's work they Denie you  its has be
illegal to not pay a man his day work this is why unions got started
they think we're Chinese workers like  the 1800 read your history FRA
it's back to then they play the system to drag it on so us employees
should be made like  animals bury you when there done  1800 I'm tellna
 ya read the history

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Employed as: Brakeman, for 20-30 years
Posted: 24 July 2016

with record heat, high humidity and dew points in the 70s on csx
northern region, csx terminal managers and train masters thinks its ok
to keep crews working 4 to 5 plus straight hours outside without a
break. even thought this quarters safety video is about working in the
heat outside safely. all trainmasters who do this ought to be ashamed
of themselves who put productivity and car counts over employee safety
and wellbeing. unfortunately this practice will continue until some one
has to got to the hospital with heat exhaustion or die from heat stroke
and I hope then someone sues the shit ought of this shit hole company.
I don't know how you southern boys do it working in this oppressive
heat, but I got a lot more respect for yous now.

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Name: Mediator
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 10-20 years
Posted: 20 July 2016


Time to figure out what is bothering the company man sooooo much.
Lets see now.... I believe it all started around July 9th when our so
called MR. Pines showed up to distract everyone. He began by making
pokes at someone posting on the safety site with unrelated safety
topics.  At that time the subjects at hand were as follows:

1: Labor relations denial of claims due to totally screwed up
information gathered from the company GPS
2: Serious conduct unbecoming of company officials and the cover up of
a banner test going seriously wrong.
3: Blackmail of arbitrators
4: Links being posted to retrieve PLB awards
5: Intimidation and harassment in the work place.

We are pretty sure he was the one who posted the comment:  I hate this
site. I love csx.  He did manage to draw L&N into his little web if
deceit. For some reason he always does. Starting to look like they
might be working together. How could someone fall for his stupidity so
many times????

The real Mr. Pines is out of commission!  We all hope to god this
character is not an offspring from Mr. Pines. God knows we don't need
a repeat of the years of ranting and raving from the other mentally
lost soul!

Mr. Pines imposter. 
We all are quite aware of the horrific train wreck that occurred in
Texas. There is no need for a heated discussion on this website about
it. You are obviously not a true railroader!!!!!
If you were, you would understand the pain and grief that all
railroaders feel for another who has lost their life. We ALL FEEL THE
not even begin to feel what we do. It hits all of un in our guts when
we begin to imagine what they were going through in the last minutes of
their life. We have all had that one moment when we thought that our
train may not get stopped or slowed down at a red signal or for a slow
order. We have all felt that moment when we are approaching a stop for
a work authority and we cant get ahold of the forman in charge. Its
something in the pit of our stomachs you could never understand. NO ONE
GOES OUT THEIR TO GET KILLED! Unfortunately no one will ever know the
truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth because the witnesses
aren't here to tell their side. GOD REST THEIR SOULS!
Show some respect or move on to another foamer site.

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Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 19 July 2016

PTC - IS/WAS NOT developed by the US Congress. 
Implementation \ programs, etc., is/was.

The RR industry thought of PTC 1st. In the mid 1990s.
Technological advances have helped cut many jobs so............
No doubt with the idea of a way to try to trim train crew size.

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Employed as: APE, for 20-30 years
Posted: 19 July 2016

PTC PTC PTC: To be fair to CSX and the RR industry, PTC was a program
developed by Congress and especially a few Democrats, passed in haste,
poorly thought out.The RR industry is technically challenged and has
extreme difficulty making even minor improvements. Any managers will be
picked based on political connections. If Elon Musk worked here he would
not be promoted, just pulled out of service until he got the hint and
quit. Part of the reason we have smart Indians working here in the US
is that they get promotions in India based on family connections, NOT
smarts....just like the RR. Didn't work there, doesn't work here.

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Employed as: APE, for 20-30 years
Posted: 16 July 2016

John Bradley is the vp Southern Region, and now it turns out David Dech
is his helper. Dech was previously his helper in Avon Yard, then his
helper on the Great Lakes Division, then was offered the Chicago
Division helpers job, turned it down to stay on Great Lakes, then got
booted out of the Great Lakes Division, went to Huntington, now is
booted out of there and has returned to.....Bradley's little helper.
Hey, it's good money and clearly doesn't require high level

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Name: new engineer
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 16 July 2016


OK old heads.  You got to help me out here.  I haven't been doing this
long so Im getting info that covers most of the new engines that are
coming out.   I got an old gp40-2 the other day that was a mother and
slug and paired up with a single motor. The single motor broke down and
left me with this 1981 model. It had the old amp gauges with the short
time rating. We were already over tonnage for it and they made us pick
up another 6,000 tons that put us over 11,000. Totally insane crap. The
rule book for train handling explains short time rating which was no
problem to figure out. The rule on avoiding speeds lower than
continuous minimum speed for the motor was the problem. There was no
charts given out for these old motors. There was nothing on the engine
anywhere that stated what the speed would be so I called the CSX
mechanical desk. WTF!!!!! They said they never heard of such a thing.
So I asked to talk to an old head mechanic. They put me on hold and
came back and said no one in the shop had ever heard of minimum
continuous speed before. Its right in the dang rule book under rule
5404. So I stopped the train and googled my motor for the info and
found it on a railroad buff site. Turned out to be 11 mph. Ran that
dang motor in 8 throttle at 6mph for awhile cause its all it would do.
I tried throttling  back to 7 off and on to stay out of 8 to give it a
break. The rules say to avoid continuous operations at speeds below
minimum cont. speed for the motor.
The rule doesn't say what throttle to avoid it.  Im guessing they mean
8. It doesn't say how long you can do it before you might burn up the
traction motors either!   Why in the hell didn't the mechanical desk
know what the hell I was talking about when its right in the rule book
in black and white.  You can find shit about it all over the internet.
This is a frickin joke. Can someone with some old time experience tell
me how to handle these motors in this situation when it happens again
because Im sure it will. With these extreme trains they are building in
length and weight, its going to happen again and I don't want to be
charged for burning up traction motors!

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Employed as: APE, for 20-30 years
Posted: 11 July 2016

Really, we have mentioned it before. Do what it takes to get your
associate or bachelor's degrees (or higher) with the RR or military
paying as much as possible. The RR pushes some dubious obscure on line
colleges for some reason, although I know several connected folks in
JAX have gotten credits from them...possibly the easiest way to get a
degree. Use an Indiana RR address and go to Western Governors
University on line in Business or IT is probably the best overall way
to go. Anyway, if you get laid off, fired, forced out, etc. at least
you have a life boat. Even mediocre jobs that 10 years ago didn't need
a HS diploma strongly desire an associate or bachelors in ANYTHING to be
considered. On line and tuition assistance really helps, just like a
spare tire, gas can, fire extinguisher, or a rainy day fund at the
credit union. Quitting and borrowing $$ to live on campus really makes
no sense financially, but on line, while working, with tuition
assistance, is a real bargain. Even if you just get an extra year
credit and THEN you get fired / furloughed that still means one year
less on the street starving while finishing your degree for your city
weed inspectors job. If you go to court NMB etc. it MIGHT make you look
better / smarter / more credible.

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Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 09 July 2016

Furloughed out of manchester,ga again........for the 3rd fucking time.
Piss on this shit. Im out.

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Name: Do Think
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 07 July 2016

APE. 10-20

I agree that Kyle is probably a challenged train master, trying to
distract as many people as possible when relevant topics appear on this

Thanks for providing intelligent responses to his illogical and
ideological statements

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Employed as: APE, for 20-30 years
Posted: 05 July 2016

      it's generally conceded that FDR inspired people in the
depression, and the enormous surge in production AND PROFITS came from
taking ALL the money of many foreign countries, including Holland and
UK, helping all Americans. Letting FDR run so many times is almost
universally viewed as a disaster, and resulted in a constitutional
amendment that prohibited that. The credit crunch from the "bank
holiday" hammered a struggling economy, The heavy influence the Soviet
Union had in the administration is still scary, and talking foolish and
inaccurate slogans from the depression is completely irrelevant to

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Name: oreo
E-mail: petroqwest@yahoo com
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 05 July 2016

crew hauler they do not eng rice 12 hour rule 1t to 18 hours I cane from
trucking 10 hour break ha ha

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Employed as: APE, for 20-30 years
Posted: 01 July 2016

      If you are talking about FDR's New Deal in today's world, you
must have an elderly relative. Especially as economists usually feel
that FDR's quasi soviet plans extended the depression, and the massive
armament orders we got from Europe, combined with the large skilled
labor pool available and ready to move, actually relieved the US

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Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 29 June 2016


YES! YOU! CREW MANAGER!   What the hell have you been doing since 1830
pm tonight????

I just called your crew callers for over 2 stinking hours trying to get
through.  I drove 18 miles in my car home and let the phone ring. I
tried to recall several times hoping it might go to a different desk
and it never did.  I let the phone ring 175 times on the last call.  I
have proof of all of this. It is real easy to time how many seconds it
is between rings. Im going to have my phone records printed out to show
how many hours I tried to get through and how long I was on the phone
each time I called.  I can prove how many rings were on my phone with
each call.  What the hell is wrong with you that you cant see whats
going on!!!

I heard a rumor yesterday that one of your crew callers told a guy that
it they don't want to answer the phone they transfer the call to
another desk where no one is sitting at the time.
You better pray to god that we cant prove this because not only is that
crew caller going to be walked out the front door but you can just take
your butt with them.

175 rings.....175 rings...... 18 miles of driving in a car and
listening to the phone ring and no one answer.
Whats wrong with your people down there. If their medication off? Are
you giving them tainted water to drink? YOU HAVE NO EXCUSES FOR NOT
believe for one minute that Michael Ward knows what the hell is going on
down there but he is going too!  GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER! 
You should be ashamed of yourself!

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Name: redeye51
Employed as: APE, for 10-20 years
Posted: 26 June 2016

Hello my true Americans.

Been working for CSX for +10yrs and soon I will be slapping down my
resignation on the table.  I am a veteran who came to CSX with the
promise of a better future.  Well, those corporate greedy bastards are
just sending true America down the drain.  I am looking to write a tell
all book about personal experience here at CSX.  Get your stories
together cause I will be back and share the wealth.  Let us together
get the story out about this place. Those investors got money and TMZ
would love a good story.  FTW...let the chit roll.  And stay tuned...

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Name: AGAIN!!!!
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 25 June 2016


Once again another chief has threatened to pull a crew out of service
if they didn't drag in another train that they made it very clear they
were not qualified in the area that the train was outlawed.

Train should not be moved by engineer if he isn't qualified on the
characteristic nor should the conductor run on the engineers
qualifications as management claims they can

FRA 240.231 Requirement for locomotive engineers unfamiliar with
physical characteristics......READ READ READ!!!!!!! 

NOTE* Pilots are not required if the movement is on a section of track
with an average grade of less than 1% over 3 continuous miles AND
the track is other than a main track or
the maximum distance the locomotive or train will travel does not
exceed one mile or
The maximum authorized speed for ANY OPERATION on the track does not
exceed 20 mph or
Operations are conducted under operating rules that require every
locomotive and train to proceed at a speed that permits stopping within
one half the range of vision of the locomotive engineer

The new so called TERMINAL LIMITS stretch way beyond one mile and are
also on the main line as well. Signals are not given to operate the
trains at restricted speed and authorized speed is above 20.  
If you are threatened by the chief and DTO to drag in a train that you
have informed them that you are not familiar with the characteristics
or your qualification time has expired the first thing you need to do
is put them on notice that they need to throw up restricting signals.
If they wont then you move at restricted speed the entire distance.
Immediately report the incident to the FRA operating officer and make a
report to the ethics committee for threats made towards your employment
and being forced to work under intimidating circumstances made by upper

Get it together crews. Your union isn't going to do anything to
protect you. Its obvious isn't it when a chief pulls this stunt again.
You have to take their balls in your court and squeeze the life out of
them. If you cant grow a pair then you better go buy some!

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Name: Retired Now
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 23 June 2016

To all of you who think older employees need to/should retire from

Sometimes it's just not affordable \ feasible. 

1st:  Have to maintain a current connection, ie: cannot quit with 30
yrs. service time & go to work for a non RR employer, contribute to
FICA & expect to draw RR retirement upon reaching retirement age.
Connection broken & railroad retirement would be lost.  Check\read up
on how it works.
30 YRS. service means 360 MONTHS.  Lots of RRers lost credit months for
a number of reasons over the course of their career - may not be
eligible (yet), even if old enough.

Big drop in monthly income.
If married, spouse may not yet be old enough. Insurance is costly. 

Retiree Health Insurance: even if opting for the RR retiree plans, the
monthly premiums are over double what active RR workers contribute -
that's with no dental or vision help AND a much lower lifetime $$ max.
 Is just supposed to carry you (& spouse) over until eligible for
medicare & then there are costs for that & any chosen supplemental ins.
which is a must have.  

Consider everything before being too hard on older co-workers.

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Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 22 June 2016

Is there any L&N western lines engineers on here trying to go to SCL
eastern lines? What have you been told by Gary Best or Matt Thornton
about this?? How does all these zones they talkin about work. Thought
we had a Single System Agreement.

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Name: LC
Employed as: APE, for 10-20 years
Posted: 13 June 2016


It has been brought to the attention of the unions that the DTO's are
seriously crossing the lines on their authority over the rules and
regulations of the company as well as the FRA. A crew was ordered to
recrew a train in an area they were never qualified and had absolutely
no  clue about the territory. The crew clearly stated that they were
not qualified. Since the train was in the newly extended terminal
limits the DTO decided they should be able to recrew this train and if
they chose not too they would be pulled out of service and placed in
qualifying status. This was nothing more than intimidation and
harassment of the crew. It also shows that this DTO does not care about
safely moving trains or the safety of the crew. The crew should have
stood their ground and let the DTO pull them out of service for
training. The DTO and dispatchers are not ignorant on how the railroad
works. Many have been on the ground and in the craft for years before
moving up to the dispatch center.  We all know that standing up to
management when they are intimidating and threatening is a hard thing
to do. Being afraid of becoming a target is usually the reason crews
back down and don't stand up for what is right. This kind of
intimidation from the DTO or the dispatcher IS NOT ACCEPTABLE EVER!
These kind of actions need to be reported immediately to your LC and if
you cant reach them then call your general chairman. Then notify the FRA
director of operating rules.  If the company wants to make everyone
qualified to protect terminal limits then a training program needs to
be put in place and all employees starting from the most junior to
senior need to be qualified. There are senior employees who have been
out in the field for over 20 years who never travel in both directions
and never will due to their ability to hold the positions they desire
the most. The company CAN NOT pick and choose who thee feel needs to be
qualified in the terminal nor can they force a crew to run a train
without a pilot trip first. This is exactly what happened in the AVON
DO NOT BUCKLE UNDER. You must stand your ground on this issue.

If you encounter this situation you need to notify the FRA immediately.
 You can call Robert Crawford at 817-235-5397. If you are unable to
reach him then can call the FRA Indianapolis office at 
317-226-0390 and they will page him or take a message for him.
This is serious business and should not be taken lightly. The safe
movement of trains as well as the safety of the crews is the most
important issue on the railroad.  Intimidation of any crew is 
unacceptable behavior and an ethic's violation.

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