Asleep At The Wheel

Casey Jones you'd better,
watch your speed...

    "The railroad is a 24 hour a day, 7 day a week operation", many of us have been told, when requesting some extra 'rest' between jobs. Unfortunately, the people that make the railroad move, like all other people, do not operate "24 hours a day, 7 days a week".

    Anyone who's worked around the clock has either seen, or experienced first-hand, the inevitable effects of sleep deprivation. Maybe it was you, maybe it was the jitney driver, maybe it was....

    The real fun is when someone tries to explain to the crew-caller that they are too tired to go to work.

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Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 25 August 2016

This info\instruction out there in csx dispatcher messages, 
system and/or divisional bulletins, or elsewhere??

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Name: Safety First
Employed as: Corporate office, for 10-20 years
Posted: 25 August 2016


If you are receiving correspondences from anyone in labor relations,
payroll or any other department that your pay is not being issued as
submitted because information obtained from the GPS shows otherwise you
need to email Tim_ healey@csx.com. Mr. Healey is the Director of
Locomotive Engineering and oversees the installation of the GPS on all
locomotives. If there is a problem with the use of the GPS then he
should be notified immediately. This is an issue that should not be
taken lightly. Obtaining proper information from the GPS is a MUST and
any problems that are occurring must be addressed and resolved
immediately! Movement of all trains on the system must be documented
accurately. There is no room for error on this matter. The safe way is
the right way. Report any problems immediately. Your participation will
be greatly appreciated.

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Name: CSX Eng
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 11 August 2016

Is anyone currently in arbitration or know about how long it takes?

We have a Birmingham Engineer who went into the worng yard track. He’s
been off over 18 months. I understand it take two or three years.

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Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 1-10 years
Posted: 11 August 2016

Is anyone currently in arbitration or know about how long it takes?

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Name: UP Conductor
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for 30+ years
Posted: 30 July 2016

I thought I had better pass this event on the everyone here, but mainly
skewed for CSX management, lawyers and bean-counters. I do hope this
goes to the top in CSX management circles. 
Apparently, a few weeks ago, a Union Pacific Los Angeles Division
Engineer, Bill Teele was working the Long Pool, LA-Yuma. He was called
on duty at Yuma for his return trip home on the UP’s hot Z-Train. This
is basically the old Southern Pacific’s “Blue Streak Merchandise” or
“BSMFF.” Now understand, this is the flag-ship of the UPRR. After the
train pulls into Yuma, if you’re not moving within 5 minutes, the
dispatcher is on the radio calling the engineer. This “Z” is max
freight train speed, 70mph on the Yuma Subdivision.  Anyway, upon
arriving at Beaumont, California, 2:30am, about 100 miles short of Los
Angeles, Eng. Teele stops his Z-Train, clearing all road crossings,
calls the UP Dispatcher and informs him that he is leaving the train
with the conductor and basically retiring on the spot. No pun intended
there. I guess he felt, he had been harassed too much over his railroad
years. This was his pay-back to the Union Pacific. I don’t think this
could happen on the CSX. Because, are there any CSX trains that move
over 50mph with more than 2 units on the line? They would just let it
sit and call a dog catch/patch crew, probably the next day. It is said,
this stunt, by Eng. Teele, cost the UP $200,000. That’s a little hard to
believe, but maybe. Now, if I was a top CSX official, I wouldn’t worry
too much about this happening on your railroad. You need to worry more
about some operating (or other) employee going “Postal.” Do I need to
translate to you CSX lawyers what “Going Postal” means? I can assure
you, CSX Management, you treat your people much worse than Union
Pacific ever has.

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Employed as: APE, for 20-30 years
Posted: 28 July 2016

as I recall, several years ago Matt Long mentioned that CSX were on the
3rd major replacement of the AC system. At the time he was assigned
responsibility for working with contractors on repairs. There are many
failures in Building 5, design flaws, safety issues, etc. I wonder if
the similar building 5's throughout the system have the same issues? I
always thought the heat / ac failures were a result of undersized units,
poor air control, and a desire to regulate temperature in the management
section and just let the crew areas go to hell. BTW anyone know what
Matt Long is doing now?

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Employed as: Conductor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 25 July 2016

A company that abuses any system the FRA or unions put in writing
intimidation and harassment is all there about put fear in hard working
men it going to hit um in the ass some day I work here and to be honest
they don't even pay you for a day's work they Denie you  its has be
illegal to not pay a man his day work this is why unions got started
they think we're Chinese workers like  the 1800 read your history FRA
it's back to then they play the system to drag it on so us employees
should be made like  animals bury you when there done  1800 I'm tellna
 ya read the history

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Employed as: Brakeman, for 20-30 years
Posted: 24 July 2016

with record heat, high humidity and dew points in the 70s on csx
northern region, csx terminal managers and train masters thinks its ok
to keep crews working 4 to 5 plus straight hours outside without a
break. even thought this quarters safety video is about working in the
heat outside safely. all trainmasters who do this ought to be ashamed
of themselves who put productivity and car counts over employee safety
and wellbeing. unfortunately this practice will continue until some one
has to got to the hospital with heat exhaustion or die from heat stroke
and I hope then someone sues the shit ought of this shit hole company.
I don't know how you southern boys do it working in this oppressive
heat, but I got a lot more respect for yous now.

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Name: Mediator
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 10-20 years
Posted: 20 July 2016


Time to figure out what is bothering the company man sooooo much.
Lets see now.... I believe it all started around July 9th when our so
called MR. Pines showed up to distract everyone. He began by making
pokes at someone posting on the safety site with unrelated safety
topics.  At that time the subjects at hand were as follows:

1: Labor relations denial of claims due to totally screwed up
information gathered from the company GPS
2: Serious conduct unbecoming of company officials and the cover up of
a banner test going seriously wrong.
3: Blackmail of arbitrators
4: Links being posted to retrieve PLB awards
5: Intimidation and harassment in the work place.

We are pretty sure he was the one who posted the comment:  I hate this
site. I love csx.  He did manage to draw L&N into his little web if
deceit. For some reason he always does. Starting to look like they
might be working together. How could someone fall for his stupidity so
many times????

The real Mr. Pines is out of commission!  We all hope to god this
character is not an offspring from Mr. Pines. God knows we don't need
a repeat of the years of ranting and raving from the other mentally
lost soul!

Mr. Pines imposter. 
We all are quite aware of the horrific train wreck that occurred in
Texas. There is no need for a heated discussion on this website about
it. You are obviously not a true railroader!!!!!
If you were, you would understand the pain and grief that all
railroaders feel for another who has lost their life. We ALL FEEL THE
not even begin to feel what we do. It hits all of un in our guts when
we begin to imagine what they were going through in the last minutes of
their life. We have all had that one moment when we thought that our
train may not get stopped or slowed down at a red signal or for a slow
order. We have all felt that moment when we are approaching a stop for
a work authority and we cant get ahold of the forman in charge. Its
something in the pit of our stomachs you could never understand. NO ONE
GOES OUT THEIR TO GET KILLED! Unfortunately no one will ever know the
truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth because the witnesses
aren't here to tell their side. GOD REST THEIR SOULS!
Show some respect or move on to another foamer site.

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Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 19 July 2016

PTC - IS/WAS NOT developed by the US Congress. 
Implementation \ programs, etc., is/was.

The RR industry thought of PTC 1st. In the mid 1990s.
Technological advances have helped cut many jobs so............
No doubt with the idea of a way to try to trim train crew size.

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Buy the webmaster a beer! Or a coffee!
Or a book! Or send cash!
Help keep this site alive!

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Employed as: APE, for 20-30 years
Posted: 19 July 2016

PTC PTC PTC: To be fair to CSX and the RR industry, PTC was a program
developed by Congress and especially a few Democrats, passed in haste,
poorly thought out.The RR industry is technically challenged and has
extreme difficulty making even minor improvements. Any managers will be
picked based on political connections. If Elon Musk worked here he would
not be promoted, just pulled out of service until he got the hint and
quit. Part of the reason we have smart Indians working here in the US
is that they get promotions in India based on family connections, NOT
smarts....just like the RR. Didn't work there, doesn't work here.

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Employed as: APE, for 20-30 years
Posted: 16 July 2016

John Bradley is the vp Southern Region, and now it turns out David Dech
is his helper. Dech was previously his helper in Avon Yard, then his
helper on the Great Lakes Division, then was offered the Chicago
Division helpers job, turned it down to stay on Great Lakes, then got
booted out of the Great Lakes Division, went to Huntington, now is
booted out of there and has returned to.....Bradley's little helper.
Hey, it's good money and clearly doesn't require high level

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Name: new engineer
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 16 July 2016


OK old heads.  You got to help me out here.  I haven't been doing this
long so Im getting info that covers most of the new engines that are
coming out.   I got an old gp40-2 the other day that was a mother and
slug and paired up with a single motor. The single motor broke down and
left me with this 1981 model. It had the old amp gauges with the short
time rating. We were already over tonnage for it and they made us pick
up another 6,000 tons that put us over 11,000. Totally insane crap. The
rule book for train handling explains short time rating which was no
problem to figure out. The rule on avoiding speeds lower than
continuous minimum speed for the motor was the problem. There was no
charts given out for these old motors. There was nothing on the engine
anywhere that stated what the speed would be so I called the CSX
mechanical desk. WTF!!!!! They said they never heard of such a thing.
So I asked to talk to an old head mechanic. They put me on hold and
came back and said no one in the shop had ever heard of minimum
continuous speed before. Its right in the dang rule book under rule
5404. So I stopped the train and googled my motor for the info and
found it on a railroad buff site. Turned out to be 11 mph. Ran that
dang motor in 8 throttle at 6mph for awhile cause its all it would do.
I tried throttling  back to 7 off and on to stay out of 8 to give it a
break. The rules say to avoid continuous operations at speeds below
minimum cont. speed for the motor.
The rule doesn't say what throttle to avoid it.  Im guessing they mean
8. It doesn't say how long you can do it before you might burn up the
traction motors either!   Why in the hell didn't the mechanical desk
know what the hell I was talking about when its right in the rule book
in black and white.  You can find shit about it all over the internet.
This is a frickin joke. Can someone with some old time experience tell
me how to handle these motors in this situation when it happens again
because Im sure it will. With these extreme trains they are building in
length and weight, its going to happen again and I don't want to be
charged for burning up traction motors!

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Employed as: APE, for 20-30 years
Posted: 11 July 2016

Really, we have mentioned it before. Do what it takes to get your
associate or bachelor's degrees (or higher) with the RR or military
paying as much as possible. The RR pushes some dubious obscure on line
colleges for some reason, although I know several connected folks in
JAX have gotten credits from them...possibly the easiest way to get a
degree. Use an Indiana RR address and go to Western Governors
University on line in Business or IT is probably the best overall way
to go. Anyway, if you get laid off, fired, forced out, etc. at least
you have a life boat. Even mediocre jobs that 10 years ago didn't need
a HS diploma strongly desire an associate or bachelors in ANYTHING to be
considered. On line and tuition assistance really helps, just like a
spare tire, gas can, fire extinguisher, or a rainy day fund at the
credit union. Quitting and borrowing $$ to live on campus really makes
no sense financially, but on line, while working, with tuition
assistance, is a real bargain. Even if you just get an extra year
credit and THEN you get fired / furloughed that still means one year
less on the street starving while finishing your degree for your city
weed inspectors job. If you go to court NMB etc. it MIGHT make you look
better / smarter / more credible.

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Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 09 July 2016

Furloughed out of manchester,ga again........for the 3rd fucking time.
Piss on this shit. Im out.

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Name: Do Think
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 07 July 2016

APE. 10-20

I agree that Kyle is probably a challenged train master, trying to
distract as many people as possible when relevant topics appear on this

Thanks for providing intelligent responses to his illogical and
ideological statements

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Employed as: APE, for 20-30 years
Posted: 05 July 2016

      it's generally conceded that FDR inspired people in the
depression, and the enormous surge in production AND PROFITS came from
taking ALL the money of many foreign countries, including Holland and
UK, helping all Americans. Letting FDR run so many times is almost
universally viewed as a disaster, and resulted in a constitutional
amendment that prohibited that. The credit crunch from the "bank
holiday" hammered a struggling economy, The heavy influence the Soviet
Union had in the administration is still scary, and talking foolish and
inaccurate slogans from the depression is completely irrelevant to

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Name: oreo
E-mail: petroqwest@yahoo com
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 05 July 2016

crew hauler they do not eng rice 12 hour rule 1t to 18 hours I cane from
trucking 10 hour break ha ha

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Employed as: APE, for 20-30 years
Posted: 01 July 2016

      If you are talking about FDR's New Deal in today's world, you
must have an elderly relative. Especially as economists usually feel
that FDR's quasi soviet plans extended the depression, and the massive
armament orders we got from Europe, combined with the large skilled
labor pool available and ready to move, actually relieved the US

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Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 29 June 2016


YES! YOU! CREW MANAGER!   What the hell have you been doing since 1830
pm tonight????

I just called your crew callers for over 2 stinking hours trying to get
through.  I drove 18 miles in my car home and let the phone ring. I
tried to recall several times hoping it might go to a different desk
and it never did.  I let the phone ring 175 times on the last call.  I
have proof of all of this. It is real easy to time how many seconds it
is between rings. Im going to have my phone records printed out to show
how many hours I tried to get through and how long I was on the phone
each time I called.  I can prove how many rings were on my phone with
each call.  What the hell is wrong with you that you cant see whats
going on!!!

I heard a rumor yesterday that one of your crew callers told a guy that
it they don't want to answer the phone they transfer the call to
another desk where no one is sitting at the time.
You better pray to god that we cant prove this because not only is that
crew caller going to be walked out the front door but you can just take
your butt with them.

175 rings.....175 rings...... 18 miles of driving in a car and
listening to the phone ring and no one answer.
Whats wrong with your people down there. If their medication off? Are
you giving them tainted water to drink? YOU HAVE NO EXCUSES FOR NOT
believe for one minute that Michael Ward knows what the hell is going on
down there but he is going too!  GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER! 
You should be ashamed of yourself!

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