CSX-Sucks!

CSX Attendance Policy

NO!!! You CAN'T have a day off!

    The railroad practically invented the term 'on-call'. Many CSX employees do not have schedules, but are forced into working a 'list'. Most lists are on call 6 days a week, 24 hours a day, and often the employee cannot even choose their day off. It is common to be called to work during an assigned day off.

    Unscheduled days off are usually not granted for family or religious obligations. There are many CSX employees who have been unable to attend their childrens' birthday parties, their wedding anniversaries, and even funerals because they were not allowed time off.

    We've even heard of people who had to call out sick, to attend their own wedding! We're sure that some of these stories that can top even that one...



Webmaster's note:

Since I go through the server logs regularly, I just thought I'd take this opportunity to point out that all of the comments in defense of the company seem to come from Jacksonville, while complaints come from everywhere that the company does business.

You do the math.



Name: Cjones
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 05 February 2012

conductors lol   they are a waste of a seat.  Let them ride  The Jap.
caboose thats where they belong

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 05 February 2012

Gizmo

Your #2 response is a little off base on the slow order. It's the LE &
conductors responsability to make sure all orders are properly adherred
to they would both be held accountable. In fact the conductor should
make sure to remind the LE of the upcoming order.

Name: Gizmo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 04 February 2012

To whining engineers: 

1st- T&E is supposed to stick together, covering each other's rear and
doing our best not to get each other fired. I know there are many
dirtbag conductors, but there are good conductors as well. 

2nd- You never know when that conductor will have to cover your ass
when you get a knuckle or blow a slow order at track speed. If you
treat me like a third class citizen, I know what I will do in that
situation. 

3rd- If you can't get over your holier than thou attitude, chances are
you're one of the backstabbing dogs that are part of the problem at
CSX, not the solution.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 04 February 2012

The railroads got a 5 year extention from the government on PTC. It now
doesn't have to be in place till Dec 31, 2020. The reasoning in this
down economy enforcing an industry to spend over $2.1 billion could
delay any chance of a rebound.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 03 February 2012

A engineer only crew is fine and dandy but who you going to talk to for
those 12 long, lonely hours. Can't talk on the cell or play games.
Hell, won't even be able to sleep. Who is going to walk the train when
you're in the hole?

Oh, just remember, if PTC allows one man crews, it also allows no
man crews. When the Conductors go, the Engineers won't be far behind!

Name: PTC Patrick
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 03 February 2012

I-ETMS(PTC) will take care of the conductor craft...just think a
computer and a screen that will remind the engineer of everything 5
miles ahead...work orders give a warning tone at 3 miles, hell it will
even blow the horn in a perfect 2 longs a short and a long for every
crossing...and if I fall asleep by chance, it will stop train 500-1000
feet short of any red signal, work authority, misaligned switch or end
of DCS authority...no more decerts. Bye Bye Worthless Piece of Skin
conductor, give me a place to sit and eat my lunch between slow
orders...LOL

Seem to remember the conductors getting RCO because a computer
"replaced" the engineer on a locomotive...and the Green box is
nothing but a radio to relay commands...this will be payback.

Name: lol
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 03 February 2012

Most of us were dumbass conductors at one time.   Now since I'm an est.
En of my sub. I'm ready to sell out the trainman  for a couple of
bucks..   There isnt any real reason to have another man on the train. 
  


anyone who operates a green box is a fag

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 02 February 2012

Engineers, what a waste of a seat. My green box does a better job, is
safer, and doesn't talk back when I tell it what to do.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 02 February 2012

hog,

Guess you hated it when your a-- was planked there. Not many are as
lucky as you to start on the right side????

Name: hog
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 31 January 2012

conductors  what a waste of a seat

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 30 January 2012

Goob

It was a pain when someone wouldn't turn their lantern off. It became
even worse when safety glasses became required. After the conductor
came back onboard after knocking the handbrakes off got his side
organized I wouldn't move till the overhead light was extinguished.
The glare off the windows ect...was a distraction. You can imagine what
a conductor with a night light was like. lol

Name: JJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Corporate office, for N/A
Posted: 27 January 2012

New job....Director Federal Affairs - Washington . No railroad 
experience  required. Bagman cash n carry? Do l get a car an girls too?

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 26 January 2012

RRJ
24 Jan 2012.

I am still laughing, can't stop. We have both been there, staying
awake on the left side is really hard for anyone. The light--- Lantern
thing is very creative. 
I had engineers ask anyone and everyone to please turn your lantern off
or set it in the floor. It was simply a distraction that reflected in
the glass of the locomotive, and was irritating as hell.(Many wore
glasses and that made it even worse)

I never asked an Engineer to turn off the light, and was only asked a
very few times to do the same. Never objected, because I understood the
reason.

Had I been in your situation, the bulb would just disappear, and never
be seen again. However in my day the engineer would ask-- then act.
Call the Conductor and the light would stay OFF. Might suffer 1 time
but not Twice.

I am still laughing!!!!


Just a side note on sleepy engineers, every one knew them. My memory
says that every time we picked up the orders from the Conductor i got
off to pick them up. Engineer and Fireman would not move, some
Conductors would get on to talk with the engine crew most would not.
I always got the warning from the Conductor, be careful you know he is
a little sleepy, and that was it.

With that side note-- every stop between 10pm and 6am was on my watch.

Name: School Boy
E-mail: 
Employed as: Engine repair, for 1-10 years
Posted: 25 January 2012

IF you don't like the company why work there? The good thing about this
great country God Made, is that you are free to work anywhere and not
forced to work here. So again I ask, why stay here? Why not leave? Oh
that's right, you can't get a BETTER job else where.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 20-30 years
Posted: 24 January 2012

Actually, CSX said that David Brown "is no longer with CSX". Didn't
say fired, or retired, or left to pursue other interests, or had health
problems, etc. Just no longer with CSX.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 24 January 2012

Goob

I won't disagree there are some sleepy head engineers. It was in jest
I could care less if anyone walked the train it wasn't my job or arse
on the line. There were a few that couldn't stay awake when we were
moving then wanted to talk while stopped in a siding. I could care less
if someone slept. There was one conductor who need a night light on his
entire side was lit up. I'd go over turn the lights off while he was a
sleep within seconds he was up turned them back on and feel asleep.
After 2-3 times of this I got his lantern turned it on put it on the
desk turned the overhead lights off and it worked. lol

Name: Fired by CSX
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 23 January 2012

Looks like Mike read too much about that Nazi Brown and his Nazi Brown
shirts on here and heard to much.

This should only be a improvement in the right direction.

Ingram and Brown are now both gone.   Happy New Year 2012

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 23 January 2012

..."David Brown, who is no longer with the company."

Old Dave got shit canned and Cindy's name wasn't mentioned, Will she
be next?

Name: Corp Comm
E-mail: Bye bye Brown
Employed as: APE, for 10-20 years
Posted: 23 January 2012

Dear CSX Employees,

 I am pleased to announce the appointments of Oscar Munoz as executive
vice president and chief operating officer and Fredrik Eliasson as
executive vice president and chief financial officer, effective
immediately.

Oscar and Fredrik are respected leaders, both inside and outside of our
industry, and people I trust to help guide and energize the organization
with the highest degree of success and integrity.  What means even more
to me than their leadership and business skills is their passion for
our company and its future.

Oscar replaces David Brown, who is no longer with the company.  As
stated in the press release, the company’s decision to make this change
is unrelated to CSX’s financial condition, business performance or
outlook, all of which remain strong.  We have a great operating team,
and I am highly confident that they will achieve even greater levels of
success in the future.

Dean Piacente will succeed Fredrik as vice president of sales and
marketing for the chemicals and fertilizer business, a position he held
previously.  Dean is highly respected among this customer group and the
transition will be seamless.  We will quickly identify a successor to
Dean for his financial planning and analysis responsibilities.

Also along with these new appointments, we are making a few additional
organization realignments.

Frank Lonegro and the Technology organization will be moved to
Operations, reporting to Oscar.  This change will ensure that there is
even more integration between Technology and Operations as we prepare
our company to implement Positive Train Control and maintain all of the
key systems necessary to run our railroad safely and efficiently.

At the same time, Fran Chinnici and the Purchasing organization and
Steve Crosby and the Real Property group will both report to Lisa
Mancini in her role as chief administrative officer.

We just completed a record financial year for CSX, and we believe that
we are headed together for a strong 2012.  Please join me in building
on the leadership changes announced today by continuing to deliver
top-notch performance in the year ahead.

Sincerely,

Michael Ward

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 23 January 2012

Never forget.-----The RR's also have sleepy Engineers.

Now,-- it can get serious when ya have 2 sleepers. Someone has to stand
up, and usually does, and it is not always the Engineer.

As far as the stop- wake up- walk the train thing, that came from years
a go when the Engineer worked with a head Brakeman, and today with a new
Conductor.

In my old past, I knew that the Engineer and Conductor were for the
most part pretty close, cross one---and ya get 2 at the same time. So
many Engineers were instructors to the Head Brakeman, and the Brakeman
followed direction from both end's. It worked fine.

I spent many hours, standing by the control stand with a sleepy
Engineer, watching him respond, nod, and respond.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 22 January 2012

Pablo

I think you've got things confused. As a locomotive engineer I did
carry a mirror to check on some of my conductors to see if they were
still breathing. It's funny they conked out while the train was moving
once stopped in a siding where I could get a little rest they came alive
wanting to talk. That's when I envoked that the train needed to be
walked & inspected seeing the TD stated we would be there more than 30
minutes. As for pig stye locomotives that's CSX cheapness for getting
rid of laborers who cleaned then supplied it.

Name: Pablo
E-mail: BarrieBarlow@aol.com
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 1-10 years
Posted: 20 January 2012

Some things never change and whining railroaders have become an
institution.  Engineers that complain about cab conditions need to talk
to other engineers, not the poor guys that have to clean up their
perverse behaviors.  Do you know what it takes to become an engineer? 
They hold a mirror under your nose and if you fog it up, you are
qualified to be an engineer.  Get over yourselves.  You have the best
job on earth.  How many high school flunk-outs get paid $100k+ with
limo rides to and from work do you know?

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 20-30 years
Posted: 20 January 2012

Everyone who looks at RR history to see where it leads to will realize
that increased efficiency leads to greater profits, bonuses, and stock
sale prices. You can become more efficient in many ways, in various
economies. However, the simplest way for a non clever person to improve
efficiency is to cut staff and maker each employee work HARDER, not
smarter.The really smart folks work for Google, etc. Given that fact,
everybody that works here should be preparing for the day when they
bail out. CSX have just tightened up their tuition assistance program,
as example, but you can still get a lot of stuff paid for, to help you
in civilian life when needed. A lot of this is available on line 24/7.
You can learn to run a small business or get skills in many ways. If
you used to do brake work or remodel kitchens try to do some on the
side to keep your contacts and experience. I know this is a killer
w/work schedules but push hard. What you can't do is sit around in a
blue funk making you, your family, and co-workers unhappy.If you are on
a cruise ship you hope everything is fine during your journey, but you
know the emergency exits and keep a life preserver handy, just in
case.Don't rely on the captain of your cruise ship or your company to
take good care of you - he might be looking out for himself instead.
So, keep your options open and your parachute packed - just in case.
There are a lot of talented people working out here who have other
skills in storage, or can learn them. Keep them fresh in case you are
activated for a new job.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 19 January 2012

LE 20-30.

You can say too much invested by YOU, to leave the RR. Tier 1 and 2,
job insurance, and throw what else ya feel into the job. Such as No
railroad experienced management.

The real deal is ya want to stay and work where ya work. Most likely
you have worked other places before the RR, and see this job as better
than the alternative. Nothing wrong with that. It is a wonderful career
for many.

However, Do not paint a picture of being captive to the RR, You are
not!

You may need to get a set to leave, and take your skill's to a
different level, now that is a risk that only you can choose.

The rails are not today nore has there ever been a guarantee, that 20
from now we will be the same. No company can do that.

Bottom line, if you can endure, and hopefully like the work, make a
living, feed the kid's and retire nicely. Dang son that is LIFE.

Name: JJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Corporate office, for N/A
Posted: 19 January 2012

LE 20/30,    an Iron Horseman. Rare breed.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 20-30 years
Posted: 17 January 2012

People do beause after a period of time there is to much invested to
walk out...its designed that way, between teir 1and2, job insurance,
and other "contributions" we make we are taxed to the max. My advise
for what its worth is if your unsure get out before you invest any real
amount of time, otherwise you to will be brainless like me, i do wish i
would have done somthing else but i didnt see the company i take pride
in being run this way 20+ years ago. The management has gotten
uneducated in our business there are no more railroaders running the
railroad. The work has got easier but the rule inforcement is out of
control. One thing remains the same though.. just do what they say and
they will make you money..SLOW DOWN.

Name: JJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Corporate office, for N/A
Posted: 14 January 2012

Anyone with a normal brain would not work for  an industrial  dinosaur
managed by cavemen. People do becaude they have no choice.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 11 January 2012

Hey Me:

Who's your daddy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVRzk3VWOKY&ob=av2e

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 11 January 2012

LOL!!!!!That's a good one!

Name: me
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 11 January 2012

Evans,

   I've never met him, but I think he might be my Daddy.

Name: Evans
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 10 January 2012

Me

Are you related to RRJ?

Name: me
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 10 January 2012

Just marked off P.B. my mother's prostate is acting up again.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 10 January 2012

bobby jones

Good for you leaving was the right thing to do. You're just a
statistic that 4 out of 5 will/should quit. In this economy to many
people are staying longer than they should on the railroad. Railroaders
have always complained that's part of the job. Most of those hired the
past 10-15 years like it. They've excepted the requirements.

Name: RUKidding
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 10 January 2012

To LE 30+:
You mention that you are "pro union", yet the facts you cite in your
diatribe on the current state of unions is a little off the mark, as
are your comments on who is to blame for the current state of affairs.
First, union officers who make $300K a year? really, I suggest you look
at the DOL website and search for your respective unions LM reports
where the salaries of those union leaders is a matter of public record
for all to see. I also doubt you'll see any salaries in the range you
suggest.
As to our current contracts and situation, it can be argued that the
UTU placed us in that position, or on the path of going the PEB route,
but the fact remains, that the unions within PEB243 were told by the
people in the congress that if the issue actually came to them,
they'dve shoved into us even more, quite possibly wrecking the RLA and
RRB in the process of "helping us". This should be cause for concern
because it shows where the real issue lies, that being the congress we
elect of office doesn't represent us, they represent those special
interests who supply the most dollar wise. Now who might that be?
Surely not the unions who essentially operate on a shoestring money
wise. Hell we get grief from our repective memberships for a
$1.00/month increase in dues while the bozos in congress take 10 times
that from us without so much as a whimper from those same folks who
gripe at the $1.00 increase.

Most union members don't care about what goes on between contracts,
either within their union, or the congress. They only look at things
from that brief time and say to their union "what are you going to do
for me?" Nevermind that in between when that union member should have
been caring and paying attention the whole time, congress cuts the rug
out from under the union by being beholden to the Carrier who supplies
those congressmen with the $$ for re-election. And we wonder why we're
in the proverbial pickle? That union that you seem to despise is in
actuality protecting you rights and helping to keep your standards of
living at par or better than the nation as a whole, all while you
happily go to work in between contracts and pay no mind to what gos on.
The whole time protecting you from forces that would love to strip that
which you have away from you. If they could do it all at once they
would. They can't because of some of things the union brought to you
(i.e. RLA, mediation, workers rights laws just to name a few).

We all need to wake up and see where the process has gone wrong and
start doing something about it instead of standing in the shadows, and
then bitching about the very folks who do our battles for us 365/24/7 .

Name: bobby jones
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 10 January 2012

I left CSX in 2007 after 2 years of being conductor.  I could not
believe the things that took place.  I truly feel for all those
railroaders that don't have a way out.  Luckily I had another job
ready before leaving.

Union?  What union?  I remember being in conductor school in Atlanta,
before any of us knew anything about the RR, and we had to join a
union.  Interesting how one union came in (UTU) one day and said we
must join them.  We did cause we did not know any better.  What BS. 
Later I found out we were supposed to have a choice.  I bet that one
never made it to the management desk.

I remember them trying to fire you for anything.  It was stressful so I
said goodbye bitches!  By the way, what A GREAT ASS WHOOPIN BAMA JUST
PUT ON LSwho.......

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 09 January 2012

LE 20-30

Explain how the BLE should of followed through? Striking wasn't an
option after Obama invoked his power to create the PEB. UTU is the one
weak link signing contracts as a rogue union then creating the dreaded
pattern. Nothing different than anything they've done in the past 40
years. Arbitraries? Those fall under the current CSX/BLE SSA. We did
except less pay raises in the '90s to preserve healthcare. Times have
changed the railroads just went with the flow like the rest of
corporate American on crying poverty over employee healthcare cost.

Name: evANS
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 08 January 2012

CSX is a worse place to work for now then it was when I hired out.   Yes
I blame the unions for it.   I was raised union and will die union. But,
The utu and ble are arms of the carrier nothing more.  I hate the safety
sucks and the basterds who represent us to only take a company job after
they lose their office..

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 20-30 years
Posted: 08 January 2012

Yes I said it and will own up to it, however the BLE did show a little
backbone recently, without following through as usual the carriers got
what they wanted, all modeled by a wonderful agreement by the useless
UTU..But this isnt a Union bashing page so i digress...Just look at the
rates of our monthley dues regardless of affiliation. Oh and by the way
incase you hvaent notice..we ARE loseing our arbitrairies..Where is my
additional cost of living that we gave up for the helthcare we now pay
for??? The list goes on and on..but its cool between the 2 unions we
have a multitude of 3ook plus salaries to pay.YES i am PRO union, just
NOT PRO these unions.They are in bed with the machine and care nothing
of us, greed has infiltrated them too. But hey its all we got right? I
guess we should be good little sheep and pay our dues and keep our
mouths shut.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 08 January 2012

LE 20-30

You state paying union dues doesn't benefit anyone. Without the union
incomes would greatly decrease. Don't think so then take away the
milage rate go to an actual hourly rate. Take away the extras like
certification pay, lonesome pay, meal allowances ect.... Then do
deadheads at an hourly rate instead of a basic day some ID runs get
total milage. Those lucky to do turns on good runs make it a basic day
instead of two days pay. See how much your paycheck decreases. All
these the union got for you. You say the unions need to do more times
are difficult. Look at Indiana, Ohio, Wisconsin ect...they are using
the state legislators to do way with collective bargaining. The BLE
went the distance this time around with the national. They did what the
members asked within the regulations they have to follow under the RLA.
Every union caved in except the BLE & BMWE. The BLE brought it to the
members for a vote it passed by a 2 to 1 margin. The BMWE is in a
cooling off extension till next month under the PEB. You want to
compare wages look at a shortline. Unions aren't what they were 25
years ago. Still it's better than not having one. Is anyone willing to
take that chance?

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 07 January 2012

Three train wrecks at one spot including a rear-ender. That's not
good!
Any more news?

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 20-30 years
Posted: 07 January 2012

Just another opinion i guess... I too agree with all thats been said on
both sides, yes when i hired out i was told i would have to work
"SOME" weekends not ALL, and the same goes with holidys. Staying and
paying the dues will benefit in time. Not union dues they wont benefit
anyone in either union. As far as the RSIA it means nothing..incase we
all havent noticed..Politicians are there to make us think we have a
choice, all the while not wanting to give up their cush money from
lobbiest which in turn are paid by big buisness. Yeppp corperations own
our country, choices, freedoms, and all that greed is a burden on an
honest man. It is a good job, however i do agree we as railroad
employees are being pawned off as idiots because we have just gone with
the flow, it is time to complain and not keep our mouths shut.. we tried
that route and all we have done is continue to lose our benefits, and
collective barganing power. And next time sone colledge kid 2 year
trainmaster tells you "you called us for a job" tell them only once
" you call me daily". We are the power of this company voice our
opinions... Csx dont like to hear it and you will be labled as a
complainer, but thats their way of defending their wrong doings.They do
not want people thinking for themselves because then we dont fit
"THEIR" plan, but i have a child to raise and am very concerned that
their plan is not in the best intrest for us, the people who ultimately
pay their salary....Sorry to be so long winded and i could go on for
days so i will stop. Its a shame too because this has the potential to
be the best employer in the US. I do love my job just tired of all the
micro managed yes men idiots that cant think outside of the box.
PS... Sry to hear of the 3 train pile up in indianna, if you work in
that area please be careful im sure blitz teams and stick men will be
out in full force....

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 07 January 2012

Evan

Sounds like sour grapes. With over 70% voting in favor of ratification
the majority rules. I figured seeing you cried about it on every thread
I'd do the same. lol

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 07 January 2012

Evan

I might be a little of all those but most important I'm retired
collecting that nice RRB check every first of the month. LOL

Name: Evan
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 06 January 2012

Suzannah

Well said

RRJ is an idiot about half the time.

He's a union man, no wait a minute he's a company man.  No he's full
of shit.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 06 January 2012

That's right suzannah take it with a smile. LOL!

Name: suzannah
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 10-20 years
Posted: 06 January 2012

T.Dispatcher....

THATS IT!   Sale...sell...Excuse my spelling! Happens when Im pissed!
What surprises me more is you take the time to read my post and reply
and thats all you got. I know you've had some pretty crappy changes
made in your department, but I guess we should do what chris and RRJ
suggest and just take it with a smile!!!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Train Dispatcher, for 10-20 years
Posted: 06 January 2012

*sell* not sale

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 06 January 2012

suzannah

To clarify. I'm just stating you shouldn't think things are worse
than they were 20-30 years ago. In reality it's the same just a
different name & color scheme on the locomotives.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 06 January 2012

suzannah

Nothing that is going on with payroll ect...is new it been going on for
decades. The only difference today is one must deal with JAX instead of
a local payroll clerk. As for giving up a life to work on the railroad
that's an individuals choice no one is forcing anyone. That's the
difference between my generation and today we embraced the lifestyle
those that didn't quit. Railroad was/is never meant to be for
everyone. I think staying if one doesn't like the job requirements is
foolish. You say you earn your money by giving up your time. You're
exactly correct so quit complaining about it. It's a railroad they
move freight which means time away from home & family. Being on call
24/7 most times at home just to get rest has been going on since
railroads began. What makes ya'll so special? You have gaurenteed
extra boards, rest days, FRA manditory rest days ect....I wonder how
many would stay if they didn't have these things. We worked under
extra boards that were "feast or famine" at times having to collect
unemployment to supplement our paychecks per half. It's hysterical to
suggest I don't understand railroading. Ya'll have it easier than we
did pay wise even with the stricter policies on CSX.

Name: suzannah
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 10-20 years
Posted: 06 January 2012

RRJ,

You just kill me. Sometimes you get on here and you sound like you
really understand the depth of what goes on then you come back and side
with someone who obviously has no idea what the hell really goes on...
We deserve every dime we get because we sacrifice so much for the
company. when you sign on the dotted line you sale your soul. You sale
you family life, personal life and your basic feedom. So hell yeah we
should be well paid. What we shouldnt have to do is fight for our damb
pay because they cant get their shit together. I just had to create a
case with payroll to get paid for two daily vacation days I took on the
28th and 29th because they cant find any records that I had the days to
take. Not only did the vacation roster allow me to schedule the days,
the computer put me off on my days and it was noted on the vacation
entitlement screen that I had the days. I have a copy of the screen.
Its just more bullshit. So I will be short over 500.00 on my pay that I
was expecting. Its pocket change to the big wigs so they dont give a
shit. If they did they would sit down and figure out how to fix this
crap. Ive been with this company 11 years and it hasnt changed one bit.
There is always someone getting screwed. I  bet if we could charge them
interest on our money until we get it paid, they would be sending it
overnight mail immediatley!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 06 January 2012

Chris is right there are thousands waiting for a chance to get a job
with CSX and the other railroads. A lot of people have been unemployed
and low wage earners for to long. I read it on here all the time the
only reason people stay is because they can't get anything better.
Then they should appreciate what they have instead of such negative
attitudes. I won't disagree that CSX is a pain in the arse to work for
with it's policies. Then again the money you make with only needing a
high school diploma people with advance degrees would like to make the
same.

Name: Evans
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 05 January 2012

The national was ratified.  This proves the carrier can and will do
whatever it wants.  Healthcare isn't what it was just wait till next
contract.  We will even give up a little more.  The time I retire the
carrier wont contribute nothing. 


Utu, Ble, Csx   FUCK YOU

Name: ha!
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 05 January 2012

Chris,

You need to practice your web surfing skills.  You obvioulsy thought
this site said....CSX SUCK UPS!    Wrong.....


Did you hear richy rich mickey ward hasnt decided yet which bonus he
wants to give the engineers. Hes undecided between 70 and 80 percent.
Never mind all the rag letters we got in the mail about how great the
company was doing and how great a profit the company has been making
and how the business is up.... I bet he has no problem giving himself a
raise of 100% and a bunch of stock. Lets just watch and see what kind of
bonus he gives his right hand man and woman!

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 05 January 2012

I think Chris might be one of the millions wanting to swap his spatula
for a switch key!

Name: chris
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 05 January 2012

You guys kill me! There are millions of people that would love to take
your job with the RR, and do it with a smile on their face every day.
If you don't like your job I heard mcdonald's is hiring : )

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Yard Master, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 04 January 2012

here is an idea, GET MARRIED ON YOUR DAY OFF! YOU HAVE A JOB TO DO SO DO
IT! IF YOU DIDNT HAVE THIS GREAT PAYING JOB YOUR SOON TO BE WIFE WOULDNT
EVAN TAKE A SECOND LOOK AT YOU!

Name: Po
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 02 January 2012

Thanks for the info  


I hope i get a week in march

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 02 January 2012

Real Retirement life from the other side.

I took employees for retirement dinners (and years of service), and
ignored others. However the company retirement( and years of service)
awards were the same for everyone.

As a manager, the dinners were something that I wanted to do, It was
not in the retirement or service award program.

I was refused many times, just thanked them and went on.

Don't confuse a managers flexibility with what you have heard and
expect.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 02 January 2012

Suzannah

The bad part is the division HQ controls the safety award money. On the
Huntington it seemed Bob Frulla the past 4-5 years made Huntington his
showplace and screwed everyone else. That's pretty obvious with
Huntington family day picnics ect...while the rest of the terminals are
ignored. I know people complained about safety cookouts but in reality
it was one of the only times we had to get feedback. People thought it
was easy to put one on in reality we spent up to 14 hours working
mostly because local management would only allow 3 people time off.
You're right to much favortism on the railroad. I know that TM's
would take certian people & their family out for steak dinners and
present them the plaques & watches upon retirement while the majority
were ignored. Amongst my peers most didn't want anything from CSX.
They paid their dues it was time to enjoy life. We have retiree lunches
every 3 months a lot of people didn't want to particpate till they
realised it's the "C&O Railroad Retirees Lunch" and nothing to do
with CSX. The same goes for the SCL & RF&P in my area.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 02 January 2012

When do the trainmen vacation bids need to be in these days? It use to
be end of March. The engineers were different it had to be done in
November or December. If anyone wants vacation early they can get it.
Being new you better put in for a realistic dream sheet bottom of the
roster it would be better to take daily vacation then jump on days you
want when it becomes available for a bid. By combining PL & DV days one
could get two weeks vacation. Or take 2-3 short 3-4 days of vacation
during the year. Daily vacation is the best route.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 02 January 2012

Hey PO:

If you got 251 starts in your first year, you did pretty good. Most new
hires spend 3-months on the furlough board.

Has the LC put in any one's vacations...the old heads will be raising
hell if he hasn't. Don't count on any good weeks though...vacations
are allocated by seniority and you don't have any.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 02 January 2012

Hey Suzannah:

As far as the accusations by some unknown person. I wouldn't pay too
much attention to them. CSX is trying to discredit you by deflecting.

It's an old ploy...you must have hit a nerve.

As far as the "party favors" go...CSX needs to hand those out as part
of a safety program. Hand them out to crews that work safely.
Boots, caps, slickers, jackets, shirts...etc. Probably save millions.

In industrial settings, 5% of the employees cause 95% of the injuries
which means 95% of the employees go without being injured.

Name: Po
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 02 January 2012

I have 251 i made vacation.   Just need lc to put in vacation so I can
plan my trip

Name: suzannah
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 10-20 years
Posted: 01 January 2012

L.Moris,

If this is the real L. morris, which I hightly doubt, you are not
stating anything new on here. Everyone who has been on this site since
2006 already new I was removed(not fired) from operation lifesaver. If
It had been a real job position, yes then maybe I could have been
considerd fired, but it wasnt.  We all know I was told to step down
because I was on this site expressing my personal opinion. Second, I
would like you to present some cold hard facts(not office gossip) that
I was drinking on company property.  I quit wasting my time and effort
participating in the redblock program because It took up too much of my
personal time. It took over a month just to get one blitz scheduled
because of all the redtape!
So lets get back to the original topic(which wasnt who's drinking and
where). I believe we were discussing the problems with awards,
recognitions,  etc..not being distributed equally and fairly. If a
terminal is handing out watches to those who are retiring, then they
should do it for everyone that retires. If jackets are ordered, then
all employees should get them(not until they just run out!) If other
employees of the month get a plaque, then ALL employees of the month
should get one. The employees chose that person and managemnt should
respect that! A TM shouldnt get up on the engine after O-testing the
crew and tell just one of the crew members how good a job they are
doing and let them pick anything they want out of the csx catalogue
while dissing the other crew members.                          

RRJ,  NOMO....Got any ideas on how to get a handle on this?

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 01 January 2012

Hey PO:

Been with CSX less than a year? Got your 234 starts in? If you don't
you won't need to worry about vacation!

Name: PO
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 01 January 2012

GET the vacations in..  Jim,  get off your fat ass and put the vacations
in..

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 29 December 2011

NoMo

LOL! I've read several articles about exactly what you described. Flex
hours, no dress code ect....Generation "Y" or as I like to put it
"Why". I knew several new hires that were still living at home with
mom never had any responsibilities at 25-30 years old ect...They never
would of made it in our day. My father and those of just about everyone
I know believed that son's needed to find themselves right out of high
school bags were packed for us and we were on our way. Only girls were
allowed to stay till they got married. Being 17 or 18 years old if
things didn't work out there was always the military. One thing was a
certian going back to mom & dad's wasn't an option. LOL!

Name: L Morris
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 30+ years
Posted: 28 December 2011

Sue  You got fired off Operation Lifesaver by G Bethel GM for getting on
here CSX-Sucks.com  talking about your employer and such.   How could
you ever be a red block capt and been drinking on Co property.  

I could never fire you.   Maybe you know more than I thought

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 28 December 2011

Hey RRJ:

Saw a segment on "Sunday Morning" dealing with Millennium Babies.

Seems this group of 20-30 year olds think they are entitled to
wheelhouse job right out of the box. They live at home and since mommy
and daddy take care of their basic needs, there is no rush to go to
work after graduation; so they wait for the perfect job with the
perfect salary. The economy however has disrupted their grand plans and
they now find themselves accepting jobs not worthy of their genius.
Seems as though CSX is lucky enough to fall into this
talent pool of virtuosos 

In an interview with a HR manager, she said it's not uncommon for mom
to call wondering why Junior didn't get a good performance review or a
bigger raise. What's unfortunate is companies have kow-
towed to these prima donnas with such things as nap rooms, ticker tape
costume parades through the office and flex hours. 

They mentioned Zippo.com as one company that indulges these titty
babies but you can rest assured that most e-businesses and tech
operations do the same.

I think someone should clue in CSX to allow flex hours and nap rooms
for the contract employees...might quell the unrest amoungst the
natives!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 28 December 2011

LOL! Oldheads are there just to hit the CSX lotto or for healthcare?
Sonny, you have a lot to learn. You'll understand it when you get
older. How about they may be older but not yet 60 the retirement age?
The young man doesn't have a chance? Now you're sounding like a cry
baby. Ever heard of paying your dues no one just hands it on a silver
platter. Unreal.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 27 December 2011

Get Serious

Most employees do not want the safety trinkets and bullshit awards
given to pet RATS.   No Pride at the Chicken joint anymore.  

The old heads are hanging out just to hit a Injury Lotto or stay for
Health Insurance.     

New guys do not have much choice.

Safety Committee Rat just to get off on a weekend.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 December 2011

It use to be that a person was given a years of service pin every 5 or
10 years. That was back when there were local clerks that kept a
record. I did get my 30 year pin only because several of us requested
it from the RFE. Last one I got before that was the 10 year pin. As for
retirements that's pretty much left up to local management & division
HQ. The last retirement cookout where plaques & watches were presented
to the employee & the spouse was around 6 years ago. Things got so bad
out there I had met the trainmaster for the subdivision I worked just
months before I left and he had been there for two years.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 27 December 2011

To RRJ

Are you saying that CSX does not have a recognition program for all
employees?

It should be in writing, and at certain years of service. It may or may
not be, I am just asking.

Name: Nomo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 27 December 2011

Hey RRJ:

It's how the game is played.

Seriously, you filed a claim that you're entitled to under you
contract and CSX has refused to pay it. Think of the claim as an
invoice and if I remember correctly, the penalty claims appear on the
pay statement. It would be hard for CSX to argue that you never filed
the claim.

Come tax time, you should ask your accountant if you can claim them as
a bad debt. Hell, call the IRS, they will tell you. It's like the
powerball, it worth a shot...might be worth something!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 December 2011

NoMo

There ligit claims. People working the jobs were still putting them in
till a few months ago when the BLE managed to get them put back on as
road jobs. The claim was over abolishing road pusher assignments but
still working pushers under a yard assignment but not actually calling
them pushers. CSX's twist on words. Doubt I'll ever see a dime but it
only took a few minutes to put it in. lol

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 27 December 2011

Hey RRJ

You still believe in Santa Claus...

I wonder, if the claims are legit under the contract and CSX failed to
pay them, you can write them off as a bad debt. Think about Drs.
that charge $150 for a office visit and because you pay a 20% copay
or $30 and your insurance pays $60 they require the Dr. to make an
adjustment (write off) of $60.

I don't know any poor Drs. so they must be able to offset their income
against the write off. With tax season upon us it might be a question
worth asking!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 December 2011

LOL! I'm somewhat right? If anyone thinks the railroads are suppose to
recognize a person for their service that might be a long wait. They
might do it for management we're not in that same catagory. If anyone
should recognize the dedication it should be the union. Loyalties
should be to the job and co-workers not necessarily the railroad next
should be the union. I know people who have made a carreer of working
for several railroads. The only common bond is they all paid into
Railroad Retirement. I started on the C&O then Chessie System which led
to CSX. If any I'll take the C&O which to this day when people ask
that's who I tell them I worked for with a side note it ended up CSX.
Last time I stepped on CSX was in October 2009 and never looked back.
Former co-workers keep me informed. I still go to an occasional union
meeting. I didn't need recognition I sure would like the $7000-$8000
worth of claims they still owe me. lol

Name: suzannah
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 10-20 years
Posted: 26 December 2011

D-Wife,

Dont feel that bad. I was voted employee of the month once and never
got my plaque. Its been years and I still havent seen it. Wont either.
I found out later that I didnt get it at the time because the division
managers secretary thought I didnt deserve it because I got
"fired"(her quote) from the operation redblock program. Idiot was
told I quit and she didnt know what she was talking about and that
shouldnt have any bearing on it anyway! Quiting my position on the
redblock program didnt have a damb thing to do with being employee of
the month! So rrj is somewhat right, but it also has alot to do with
whos in control in the office!!!!

Might want to read all the paperwork your husband signed before you run
to the press. Make sure he didnt sign anything that would put him on a
gag order.. With all the crap that goes on Im surprised stuff hasnt
been printed in the press on a regular basis, or a few books havent
been published about the "Life and times of the railroad....behind the
scenes!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 25 December 2011

It all depends on location. Some places CSX gives out watches ect...or
the union does it. Other locations nothing. It's not a big deal a
frigging cheap watch with a CSX train on it for a seconds hand. You can
buy them for $30-$40. I remember going to the clerks office before I
retired there was a huge stack of plaques & watches collecting dust in
the corner of the office some for 2 years. The clerk just shrugged
because he didn't know what to do with it. They use to have a cookout
to give them out not anymore. The best reward is going the distance and
getting that retirement. As a CONTRACT UNION EMPLOYEE they'll never be
any pats on the back for a job well done the only recognition is if
something jumps the track then it's not the kind one wants.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 30+ years
Posted: 24 December 2011

Hey Wife

This Rooster Fish Chicken Shit Outfit is runned by Nazi Southern
Bitches.

Ward gives out his money to lobbyist and others.   You would be better
to just buy a watch.    

Maybe you could contact the union rep.  Second thought that is a waste
of time too.   

No one really cares about anything anymore but themselves.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 24 December 2011

Hey DW:

Sounds more like a Terminal Super. or RFE trying to save a few bucks.

Besides, unless it's Rolex President Pearl Diamond watch, he's
probably better off getting his life back. Why does he need a watch
anyway...he has no place to be!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for 30+ years
Posted: 24 December 2011

My husband worked for 32 years with the railroad. He gave up a lot of
holidays, weekends. He got rewarded for all his dedication and hard
work when he retired by being told no watch for you five guys who have
retired. Since then they have reinstated this by giving out watches. My
husband wrote to the CEO of the company and no response to this day. I
guess he his too busy counting his bonus to respond to the little
people who gave their time and dedication to the RR.
I guess I am bitter and maybe CSX really does suck! Wonder how they
will like it when I send a letter to the newspaper about their
shameless behavior. Most money making companies give out bonuses to all
their employees. But in 32 years not even so much as a candy cane. Bah!
Humbug!CSX.
Disgruntled wife!

Name: CorrUPtion Blogger
E-mail: SaveAmerica.org
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 22 December 2011

Stand up and fight for what's right--so that we can all survive. Peace
and prosperity to all the true Patriots; the rails that's riding the
rails!

Name: Billy E
E-mail: 
Employed as: Corporate office, for 10-20 years
Posted: 20 December 2011

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year..

Name: brown1
E-mail: 
Employed as: Corporate office, for 1-10 years
Posted: 20 December 2011

Your bonus will be sent by the 24th Dec.

Merry Christmas

Name: ward1
E-mail: 
Employed as: Corporate office, for 1-10 years
Posted: 20 December 2011

Merry Christmas

We're shutting down Thursday the 22nd at 2359.  Everyone enjoy your
family and friends.  Don't worry about rushing back to work.  We will
start dh on the 2nd of Jan.2012.  

thanks for a great year

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 19 December 2011

You're absolutely right the national isn't very national anymore. I
haven't a clue why CSX, NS, BNSF ect...those that have on-property
contracts why they are still attached to the national solely on
healthcare. When the BLE decided to divide railroads on contracts it
should be a total separation. I'd hate to think people will vote
"no" just for the heck of it. It doesn't change anything on CSX.
Congress has already stressed that under the constitution they have the
right to take action to avert a strike that could harm the economy. It
becomes a matter of getting a contract negotiated by the BLE or having
one forced by the PEB. Dennis Pierce and the BLE negotiating committee
managed to enhance the PEB recommendations. Why be foolish and turn it
down for no reason? Those on the UP, KCS ect...have a greater stake
they are linked in it's entirety with wages, work rules ect...I voted
against the BLE SSA in 2007. People looked at the $$$ nothing more. It
was an opened ended contract where nothing was engraved in stone. It
continuiosly changes through the CSX/BLE dispute/resolution committees.
People need to get rid of the blinders quit looking at the now and think
10 years beyond with how it'll have an effect.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 30+ years
Posted: 18 December 2011

The National Contract is not very national anymore.  

The Railroads Divided and Conquered the contract by paying off GC's in
specific locations and putting certain Carrots on a Sticks to get them
to vote away from National Contracts.

Name: Aaron Cross
E-mail: cindermydawg@gmail.com
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 17 December 2011

I think you guys should make a Facebook page mimicking this site. Now
days if you want things changed you need a petition to do it. Its the
next best thing to a strike and actually losing your job. Facebook now
days boosts companies' reputation with the "LIKE" button, or it can
destroy them or even make it better for their employees.. all it needs
to do is spread like a disease over facebook, regarding the lack of
pay, compensation, and general "fuck you work anyway" attitude CSX
has for its employees, and once the bad publicity spreads enough CSX
will have a hard enough time finding buisness from companies wanting to
use their rail cars for transport for fear of a strike or bad morale the
employees who transport their goods hold for CSX. 

im gonna tell you a story, I learned this in a leadership course in the
NAVY.

its called "The 10 monkeys Story" regarding how to change things.

There are 2 monkeys in a cell. the cell has a banana hanging from the
ceiling and a fire hose pointing inside the cell.. both monkeys tried
reaching for the banana and got blasted by the fire hose every time
they attempted for it. after a week another monkey was placed into the
cell... the new monkey went right for the banana and the other 2
monkeys beat the shit out of him.. 1 and then 2 and then 3 more monkeys
were added to the cell and each time the new monkey went for the banana
the other monkeys beat the shit out of him.. and pretty soon this
happened still when there were ten monkeys in the cell.. they would
just beat the shit out of whatever monkey wanted to go for the banana
not realizing the fire hose was already taken away.


point of the story is, the fire hose is one guy, one guy who set rules
or procedure maybe 10 years ago, and everyone back then followed it,
and after awhile that one guy (fire hose) left and everyone else just
kept implementing and beating the shit out of everyone else because
thats just how its always been.. Just because things were that way
once, doesnt mean it cannot be changed or someone else can make
changes.. 

for example, A boss(the fire hose) got sick of one person in particular
sitting down when there was no work to be done, so he set a rule that
even if its -0 degrees outside when  theres nothing to be done you will
stand outside in the cold untill something comes up. well it goes on
like that for awhile 1 year goes by and that old boss (the fire hose)
is gone, and people are still standing around outside waiting for work
to do, even the other bosses inforce it not even knowing the original
reason for it.. and then it never changes.. you will always be standing
out side freezing your ass off unless you question why it came to be
like that or do something about it.



Im sorry for the long statement, but I really feel for you CSX
employees makin 40k for a job you should be making 50-60k doing. and
what is worse is that for the low money you do make, you are treated so
shitty and get screwed over so much.


<<<Not an Employee>> so I can speak my mind since the employees who
think complimenting CSX on this site will earn them brownie points or
extra money in the future are too stupid to realize it wont.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 17 December 2011

I hope you know what you're doing. The only issue that covers CSX is
healthcare. It's a national vote those who work on railroads without
on-property contracts have a bigger stake in it. Congress has already
stated they're ready to take action to force the contract. Which could
be the original PEB recommendations. I think I'll vote "yes" a 20
1/2% pay increase for the UP and the rest is better than the
alternative. I guess one can thank the UTU for setting a pattern.

Name: evans
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 20-30 years
Posted: 16 December 2011

I just voted NO.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 16 December 2011

Hey RRJ:

Yeah, you're right...when you're young getting your license takes an
eternity. Then you look forward to buying your first beer legally.
Before you know it your 55 or 60 looking back wondering where the time
went.

Life is perceptions...is the glass half full or half empty? Kinda like
the RR!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 16 December 2011

The main issue is the attendance policy. The days, hours ect...don't
matter. That's never going to change. Wanting a life? Not in T&E on
the railroad. That's definitely not going to change. There are other
options apply for another craft. One maintains the time towards
retirement, years of service for vacation ect...I've been wrong over
the past 5-7 years thinking it can't get much worse than it is. CSX
proves it can.

NoMo

To someone who still has 30+ years it hard to fathom getting to
retirement. When one hits 40 yrs old then it's the count down. Till
then it's how manys years on the railroad after 40 it's how many
years left on the railroad. Is it worth it? Most definitely. One
highlight is seeing that RRB BA-6 with 360 months credit.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 15 December 2011

Hey Suzannah:

Per you request, I have run your numbers, they are in order. I would
however use 2080 hours annually for a 40 hour a week office job (52
weeks X 40 hours = 2080) since vacations and holidays are paid based
on your salary or hourly rate.

It would appear, based on the above, you have worked an additional 
6.123 weeks or 1.53 months excluding OT which is equal to another 3.775
weeks. OT is a little tricky...while in yard service there were four or
five times a year I would get called on my off day to cover the second
half of day hill job only to show up at 1055 and push the enter button
to tie up the ticket...good work if you can get it. In road service
with the trip rates, I think we had to be on duty 8:33 before OT kicked
in.

Too bad you don't have much of a personal life...if you did, you could
have cable and watch "Big Shrimpin'" tonight. Dominick and I 
go way back...lifted lots of Buds and smoked plenty of the Herb Superb.
Those were the days

Door mat? You be the judge...they can work you long but only you can
work yourself hard. I frankly don't see how you stand it, but just
hang in there and before you know it you'll be retired like HTL, RRJ
and yours truly and all those hours and the daily rashion of shit will
be distant memories!

Name: NS Engineer
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 15 December 2011

Looks like CSX has you in a submissive situation.     Meaning you are
their Bitch.


You do not have to go to the Emergency Room.   Urgent Care is faster
and cheaper.    The ER takes too long too.

Have a Nice CSX Day, it is better on the NS.

Name: suzannah
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 15 December 2011

Really sick,


Believe me, you are not the only one that feels that way. You are
expected to go into the emergency room if you cant see your doctor the
day you are sick, or maybe go into an extended care unit close by. But
I have been told that it doesnt always do you any good. Apparently they
have the right to refuse your doctors written slip excusing your absence
and stating that you received treatment. Not sure how they can get away
with this, or how they are going about it.

When I told my doctor that I had heard rumors that they refused a
doctors written excuse that was given to someone to turn into the
company because( the quote was) "Any doctor can write an excuse for
you just because you wanted that day off", she told me if that ever 
happened to me that I was to call her immediately! She has not nor will
she ever write a slip for bogus treatment of any of her patients. That
would be a form of malpractice and she wont tolerate anyone making
statements that would insinuate that she is that kind of doctor. She
would file a slander suit if necessary.  I have marked off sick one
time this year. If I was to mark off sick for 2 days before the end of
the year and I got one of those nasty grahms, not only would I be
insulted, but I would probably send it back.....RETURN TO SENDER! DOOR
MAT DOESNT LIVE HERE!

51 work weeks in year. minus 1 weeks vacation and 11 paid holidays(off)
Lets just make it 48 weeks of work for a white collar corporate desk job
in Jacksonville.  We know alot of them get more time off than
that......48 weeks x40hrs= 1920 hours......
I have already worked 2325 regular hours and 151 overtime hours(2476
hrs). Ive worked 556 hours more than they have! Thats 13 more 40 hr
work weeks... Bet you would see shit hit the fan if they were told they
had to figure out how to work 3 extra months of hours in the year! 
JESUS! Ive worked almost 16 months in one year and Ive had 2 weeks
vacation already! Whats really shocking is there are guys out there
that work a hell of alot more than me!

HEY NOMO!!! Double check my math for me on this one.  Make sure Im not
having delusions! CRAP! Maybe I am a door mat!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 12 December 2011

RRJ,

If you say I am retired and on RRR one more time and ya love the 1st of
the month. I am coming to cut your nut's out.

Got it??? Ha Ha

Goofy

Name: Santa
E-mail: 
Employed as: Corporate office, for 1-10 years
Posted: 12 December 2011

rrj will be getting a bag of seed and nuts. Have fun feeding the birds
and squirrels at the park.

Thank you rj for sitting these cry babies straight.  You are an
encourgment to all of us in Jville.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 12 December 2011

willy, willie, william, cya ect...whatever you want to post as. You've
never worked for the railroad why should you care? You're just a
parasite that trolls online.

Name: cya
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 12 December 2011

RRJ,

What are you putting in that morning coffee?  We all read a lot of dumb
shit from you.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 12 December 2011

LOL! Ya'll made my point for me. It's become a cry baby site. I'm
retired if I decide to post on here while having my morning coffee
that's my right. About 4 times a year I send the webmaster a few bucks
to keep the site running. Do any of you? It's your site to cry on seems
you would take a few bucks away from those boxes of kleenex you use to
wipe those tears away to help keep this site online. It's your
railroad now not mine. I never was CSX till I retired I considered
myself C&O. Which CSX also considers anyone hired before 1985 still an
employee from the predecessor railroads. When all of us are gone in a
few years big changes most of those protections will go with us. One
extra board in the terminal to protect the road & yard. Right now it
can't be done if anyone with prior rights is still working. They can
change subdivisions put an end to trip rates seeing they were
established under final & initial terminal which if hired after 1994 no
one is entitled. Lot's of changes.

Name: Evans
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 12 December 2011

Educational site

rrj must have fell off his rocker again.  I've red some silly post on
here from him, but that one takes the cake.  

Old man it's time to put the pc down and feed the squirrels..

Name: really sick now!
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 20-30 years
Posted: 11 December 2011

HEY WHITE COLLAR CORPORATE!
  

Information on my Two weeks earning stub......WORKED 142 hours.....YOU
WORKED two 40 HOUR WORK WEEKS....TOTAL HOURS 80!  So lets do the math!
If I was a white collar worker like you sitting behind the desk I would
have worked 3 1/2 weeks of hours in 2 WEEKS!  Then later when I marked
off 2 days sick and didnt give anyone a doctors slip because I was too
damb sick to go to the doctor to get a doctors slip then doctored
myself up enough to get right back to work, I had to come home and find
a nasty grahm in my mailbox telling me that I was on notice for
violation of the new attendance policy for marking off 2 days in a 4
week period.  You are insane! There is a fine line between physical
abuse and mental abuse. You are starting to cross it! 

RRJ says this is an educational site people!!! Heres a lesson for
you... Go into work and puke all over the TMS desk and shoes so he has
to send you home then you should be covered... That is if you have the
strength left to drag yourself in there after working one month of
hours in 2 weeks!

Name: BOYLES
E-mail: ALL INVOLVED
Employed as: APE, for 30+ years
Posted: 11 December 2011

I KNOW SOMEONE IN THESE POST,,,MUST LIKE CSX ...????
    HAS CSX BEEN A BAD DREAM FOR MOST OF YOU.????

HAVE YOU HAD ANY GOOD EXPERENCES BESIDES PAYDAY......

DO YOU GO TO WORK IN A BAD MOOD.???,,,,,,,ARE ALL OF YOU ON TIME ???
....I WOULD HATE TO KNOW,,I HAD 25 OR MORE YEARS LEFT TO WORK,,,IF I
DISLIKE CSX THIS MUCH...   I WOULD RECONSIDER MY JOB AND BE HAPPY AND
CONTENT..!!...IT IS HARD TO GO TO WORK,,KNOWING HOW CSX
OPERATES......CSX TALKS MORALS AND ECT,,,BUT,,DOES NOT SHOW THIS IN
DAILY WORK,,,
 BELEIVE ME I KNOW,,,,I HAVE BEEN THERE,,,DONE THAT.....!!!!!

GOOD LUCK TO ALL.........

Name: mmmmmmm
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 30+ years
Posted: 11 December 2011

Educational page called csx-sucks.  You have to be joking.

Name: Sonny
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 20-30 years
Posted: 11 December 2011

rrj

YOu must live on this site or do you work for csx-sucks?  Everytime I
read something on here you have some silly remark.  You must patrol
this site.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 11 December 2011

Willy

I've been on this site before you knew what a railroad was. It's
become a cry baby site instead of an educational resource. Which was
it's original intent. You want to try an insult me fine expect the
same Sonny.

Name: Willy
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 11 December 2011

RRJ


CSX-Sucks  is the name of this site in case you didn't know.  It's
not like when you worked out here referring to certain ones like
yourself " safety sucks, csx sucks, company sucks."  this is a
negative site bashing csx. I hope this helps.  Now go feed your
pengions old man..

Name: BOYLES
E-mail: RRJ
Employed as: APE, for 20-30 years
Posted: 10 December 2011

RRJ,
 YOU COULD HAVE NOT SAID THAT ANY BETTER....100% TRUE..!!!!


BOYLES.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 10 December 2011

willie

Think what you want. I'm a happy retired railroader collecting a nice
check every month from Railroad Retirement. Railroaders have always
gossiped that's a fact. Your generation has taken it to another level
"the cry baby" syndrome. That's the reason you're called generation
"Why". lol. "Why" do they always pick on me at CSX? "Why" does mom
want me to me move out? "Why" does mom want me to pay rent? This list
could go on. I think I've made my point. lol

Name: Boyles
E-mail: RRJ
Employed as: APE, for 20-30 years
Posted: 10 December 2011

RRJ,
 THANKS FOR A GOOD POST......WIFE AND I BOTH DO ENJOY THAT RAILROAD
RETIREMENT CHECK ALSO...,,,,,,I DO HOPE AFTER 2 YEARS OF NO
INCREASE,,,WE DO GET A RAISE THIS YEAR...
 I HEARD WE WOULD,,,,BUT,,THAT STILL WILL NOT CHANGE MY VOTE.!!!

I SEE ALOT OF CHANGE HAS TAKEN PLACE IN THE COMPANY SINCE MY
REITREMENT
......ALOT OF GOOD FRIENDS AND CO WORKERS HAVE PASSED AWAY,,,AND,,,ALOT
OF THEM,,,STILL YOUNG...
   I REALIZED,,,JOBS THAT WERE ON CALL 24---7,,,AND THE MONEY WAS NOT
INMPRTANT ANYMORE..   LIFE,,,DOING THINGS WITH FAMILY,,,FRIENDS,,MEANT
MORE TO ME THAT THE MONEY,,,AND,,AFTER R.R. TAX,,,,YOU MAY GET
HALF,,,,,,,...
....YES,,,RAILROAD PAYS GOOD AND OT HELPED,,,BUT,,RAILROADS DO CUT ALOT
OF TAX......I HIRED IN,,,I MADE $3.50 A HOUR AND I THOUGHT I WAS ON TOP
OF THE WORLD..
  RAILROAD WAS GOOD TO ME AS FAR AS MONEY,,,,,AND,,,I WAS GOOD TO THE
RAILROAD AS WORKING......BUT,,IT GOT TO A POINT,,,,CHANGE WAS COMEING
AND I SEEN IT.......
   I TOOK EARLY RETIREMENT AND HAVEING A BLAST ,,,WIFE AND I AND OUR
CAMPER.!!!
   I HAVE ALOT OF STORIES I COULD TELL,,BUT,,,I DO NOT WANT TO NAME
NAMES AS IT WOULD NOT BE RIGHT....
 SOME GOOD AND SOME BAD STORIES ABOUT THE RAILROAD......
 ......I DID SEE THIS COMING,,,,SO,,I PAID EVERYTHING OFF AHEAD OF
TIME,,,,,,,I RE ADJUSTED MY SELF TO MY MONTHLY RETIREMENT INCOME,,,
  HAVE A BLESSED DAY,,,,,,,BOYLES..

Name: willy
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 10 December 2011

rrj '

we all know your a company man

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 10 December 2011

alyard

LOL! You get nothing? The unions do nothing? Then go find another job
that pays what you're making on the railroad. It would be difficult
even in a good economy. A new hire with nothing more than a high school
education makes around $40,000-$50,000 depends on the individual.
Everywhere else a person would be lucky to make half of that just
starting out. When I hired out in 1977 the first bi-weekly paycheck was
equivelent to 6 weeks of anywhere I'd ever worked. 

The other poster. Bullschidt if you heard a conference call that TM's
were laughing that your LC is a puppet. If he is vote him out of
office. Heck you can bring it up in a union meeting confront the LC
face to face bring up a motion to impeach him. That is yours an anyone
elses right. Lot of good it does here on CSX-sucks. LOL!

Name: Boyles
E-mail: UNION
Employed as: APE, for 20-30 years
Posted: 09 December 2011

THE GUYS I WORKED BESIDE WERE SCARED TO WRITE UP CLAIMS,,,,,SO,,,I WROTE
THEM FOR US.......OF COURSE,,MOST WERE DENIED.!!!!   A 100% GOOD
CLAIM,,,MOST,,,WE NEVER GOT,!!!!  NOW AND THEN,,,A CLAIM WOULD BE
PAID,!!!!,,,,,,
 THE COMPANY SIGNED THE SAME AGGREMENT AS THE UNION,,,,,,SO,,IF A CLAIM
IS LEGAL,,,,PAY ME,!!!!!  BUT,,THAT IS NOT HOW CSX WORKED..
 I HAD A COMPANY MAN,,TELL ME TO MY FACE,,,,,,,YOUR UNION IS NOT WORTH
A DAMM,!!!!!   CLAIM ALL YOU WANT,,,,I WILL PAY NOTHING,!!!.
  IT IS SAD,,,,HOW THIS R.R. HAS BECOME SO EVIL.......I HAVE BEEN OFF
OVER 10 YEARS.......AND,,IT WAS BAD THEN,,,BUT,,FROM THESE POST I
READ,,,,,,IT IS ALOT WORSE NOW,,!!!!!
  ....FRA RULES,,,,,,SAFTY RULES,,,,,,A JOKE.......MANY RULE
CLASSES...THERE WERE SOME THAT ALWAYS FAILED.....BUT,,,THESE MEN LEFT
THAT RULE CLASS WITH A PASSING GRADE......NO ONE FAILED.!!!
 IS THIS SAFTY.???......I SEEN FRA TEST GRADES,,,CHANGED,,,,,,
BUT,,,NOW,,,I TRY TO FOCUS ON THE ROAD AHEAD.....I HAD MY TIME ON THE
RAILROAD,,,IT IS YOUR TIME NOW,,,,
   GOOD LUCK,!!!!!!!!

Name: Boyles
E-mail:  UNIONS
Employed as: APE, for 20-30 years
Posted: 09 December 2011

I DO AGREE ,,MOST OF THE TIME ,,,I PERFERE UNION JOBS...
  BUT,,IN ALABAMA.TENNESSE AND MISSISSIPPI THEY NOW HAVE 4 MAJOR CAR
PLANTS,,,,,NO UNION......!!!!!!!
THESE PLANTS,,PAY AS MUCH OR MORE THAN UNION PLANTS,,,HAVE VERY GOOD
BENIFITS...AND,,,AS LONG AS YOU DO YOUR JOB,,,,NO PROBLEM,,,
  I HAVE WORKED UNION JOBS,,MOST OF MY ADULT LIFE,,,,,LAST 30
,,,RAILROAD....
  I HAVE SEEN SORRY,,NO ACCOUNT..LAZY WORKERS,,,GET SAME PAY AS THE
GOOD WORKERS....AND LAUGH AT THE EMPLOYE THAT TRIES HARD...
   SINCE ALL WORKERS,,,GOOD AND BAD,,ARE ALL PROTECTED UNDER THE
UNION...
 IF THINGS ARE NOT CHANGED,,,IN THE NEXT 4 YEARS,,,,,PEOPLE THAT ARE
65,,,WILL NOT GET A RETIREMENT.....MONEY FOR RETIREMENT COMES FROM
TAXES COLLECT OUT OF WORKERS CHECKS.....IF MORE PEOPLE GET ON FOOD
STAMPS,,,WELFARE AND ECT,,,,,THERE IS NO MONEY COLLECTED FROM THESE
PEOPLE...TO GO INTO RETIREMENT FUNDS.!!!!!!
 WHO IS GOING TO PAY.!!!!   THE RICH,,,PAY ABOUT 75% OF ALL THE
TAXES......THE MIDDLE CLASS 25%,,,,,,,,....,THE POOR OR
WELFARE,,GOVERMENT CHECK PEOPLE,,,PAY NOTHING...
 AT SOME POINT OF TIME,,,MONEY WILL BE GONE...
    THERE MUST BE A STOPPING POINT FROM GOVERMENT TO UNIONS,,,,
AMERICA IS AT THE LAST ROAD TO BECOMNG A 3RD WORLD COUNTRY...
 THE 3 RD WORLD COUNTRIES ARE NOW,,,PASSING AMERICA.!!!!

Name: alyard
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 1-10 years
Posted: 09 December 2011

I overheard a conference call today "upstairs". The officers on the
call were laughing at our unions.    They were getting their rocks off
about our lc being their puppet.   They even commented on tha national
how Csx knew nothing would come out of the possibilty of a strike.   

They know our unions are a Big nothing.   Really upsetting to know what
we pay to get nothing in return.   If your not a select few sucks you
get nothing in return.  It blows my mind how the same men are off every
other day and twice on Sunday for union buisnes

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 09 December 2011

Yea I love how the company is making record profits but still are trying
to find ways to screw the workers who make them record profits. Always
trying to find ways to cut jobs and make us pay more for health care.
CSX is just like the rest of corporate America. Greedy bastards is the
reason our economy sucks.

Name: Y
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 05 December 2011

Pierce formally notifies General Chairmen of tentative agreement 
CLEVELAND, December 5 — Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and
Trainmen (BLET) National President Dennis R. Pierce has formally
notified General Chairmen representing employees impacted by national
health and welfare bargaining of the Tentative Agreement reached
between the BLET and the National Carriers’ Conference Committee (NCCC)
late last week.


Not able to strike=no union 
ble wasted our money and time with this bullshit when there was no way
we were ever going to be able to strike

republican democrats they're all full of shit they don't care about
the unions just reelection  no one stood with us  why should we stand
with them

Name: suzannah
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 02 December 2011

RRJ,

Had one female tm 6-7 years ago. Not one female since. Guessing they
are not allowed in our area or they are just smart enough to stay away.
Didnt take long for her to move out..... I knew things were getting
tough when the they replaced our superintendents secretary with a
man..not saying he doesnt do a good job, just looks funny in her seat!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 02 December 2011

NoMo

Thank's. I always wondered how they got on top of those hoppers. I
don't think that was her. lol

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 02 December 2011

Hey RRJ:

This wouldn't be her by chance?

           http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zn4eVaRhGM

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 02 December 2011

suzannah

I'm glad you understand the issues I was discussing with women on the
railroad. Not many anymore with the loss of clerical jobs. T&E is
difficult it's bad enough for men with families. It takes a gutsy
women to apply for crafts like MOW, signal maintainer, car inspector
ect...fighting the elements the physical aspect ect...not that some
can't do it they would have to go above and beyond to prove it. That
would be the difficult part. I know a woman that made the move from T&E
to the signal department recently. She's happy with her choice seen a
picture of her on a backhoe recently. Even that can be difficult being
required to be away from home for up to 8 days at a time. Good part she
then gets 4-5 days off. If working local it's home every night. There
are women YM, TM, TD ect...might not be in your area. I never saw any
difference between a male TM hired off the street or a woman both were
clueless and didn't deserve my respect. Both made me a lot of money by
their arrogance an ignorance.

Name: suzannah
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 01 December 2011

other/non-employee


MAN HATER??? Oh you couldnt be more wrong.... I cant imagine how
unamusing the world would be without you. Walked into the crew room
full of men and yelled the word "BOOBS"!  Jesus Man! I only thought
owls could turn their heads like that. Sort of scary when you think
about it..

OK, now lets get to the facts.  NOT ONE SINGLE FEMALE yardmaster, TM,
RF, superintendent, assist. super., division manager, assist.div.
manager, rf of engines, engine repair, fuel pad
foreman,etc.etc.etc..... So seems to me that I dont have anyone to
complain about but MEN!  Now whose fault is that? Get some women in
these positions and have them do the same stupid stuff and you will see
some real action. (ha!Know how you men love a good cat fight)


   BY THE WAY...Almost forgot..HI GEORGE! Smile,your on candid camera!

Name: Y
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 01 December 2011

A union not able to strike is useless   what a waste of money 

Congress kiss are asses

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 01 December 2011

As Always 2 sides to the story.

Male Chauvinistic pig.

Suzy has that pegged. Now we play the other WAY.

She Hates MEN, and some Men Hate females. Be nice and it works.
The 16 month Conductor says it all. He was, and did stupid stuff. 
A male Engineer ( New female conductor) would note the risk, be nice
and insure her safety.

Suzy just makes fun of HIM.

Name: CorrUPtion Blogger
E-mail: unity@kickass.com
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 01 December 2011

A strike call by the international leadership will make amends for the
lost leadership the 15 YEARS!

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 01 December 2011

Hey Suzannah:

I have a better idea...to hell with the golf balls, pebbles and sand,
more room for beer!

Name: suzannah
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 01 December 2011

Daily rant,

IT sure will be nice when the rest of us get 30 years under our belts
and we can hold a regular job. Cute story.... unfortunately most of us
arent even bothering to get the jar or beer out. Dont have time. That
would take time away from needed sleep. Spend time with all the family
members would be nice too. But then all the men probably wouldnt get
their "honey DO!" list done.  Worked with a conductor the other day
who has only 16 months under his belt and the little woman is already
raising hell. Looks like another ex board divorce in the making!

Name: Daily Rant
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 30+ years
Posted: 29 November 2011

The  Jar & Two Beers...

    When things in your life seem almost too much to handle, when 24
hours in a day are not enough, remember the  jar and the 2 Beers.

    A professor stood before his philosophy class and had some items in
front of him.

    When the class began, he wordlessly picked up a very large and
empty  jar and proceeded to fill it with golf balls.

    He then asked the students if the jar was full.

    They agreed that it was.

    The professor then picked up a box of pebbles and poured them into
the jar. He shook the jar lightly.

    The pebbles rolled into the open areas between the golf balls.

    He then asked the students again if the jar was full.

    They agreed it was.

    The professor next picked up a box of sand and poured it into the
jar.

    Of course, the sand filled up everything else.

    He asked once more if the jar was full..

    The students responded with a unanimous 'yes.'

    The professor then produced two Beers from under the table and
poured the entire contents into the jar effectively filling the empty
space between the sand.

    The students laughed..

    'Now,' said the professor as the laughter subsided, 'I want you
to recognize that this jar represents your life.

    The golf balls are the important things---your family, your
children, your health, your friends and your favorite passions---and if
everything else was lost and only they remained, your life would still
be full.

    The pebbles are the other things that matter like your job, your
house and your car..

    The sand is everything else---the small stuff.

    'If you put the sand into the jar first,' he continued, 'there
is no room for the pebbles or the golf balls.

    The same goes for life.

    If you spend all your time and energy on the small stuff you will
never have room for the things that are important to you.

    Pay attention to the things that are critical to your happiness.

    Spend time with your children.

    Spend time with your parents.

    Visit with grandparents.

    Take your spouse out to dinner.

    Play another 18.

    There will always be time to clean the house and fix the disposal.

    Take care of the golf balls first---the things that really matter.

    Set your priorities.

    The rest is just sand.

    One of the students raised her hand and inquired what the Beer
represented.

    The professor smiled and said, 'I'm glad you asked.'

    The Beer just shows you that no matter how full your life may seem,
there's always room for a couple of Beers with a friend.

    Please share this with someone you care about. I JUST DID!   Sorry
this is CSX  We sweat all the small stuff and drink alot of Beer.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 November 2011

Goob 

That's pretty much like it was back then. Females did get jobs as
clerks an operators. I remember a female machinist that worked in the
roundhouse back in 1980-1981. She left went to work for Aramco in Saudi
Arabia or some place in the oil fields. During the '70s & '80s they
tried hiring women in T&E most quit. I only know two that stayed. They
retired recently one was an engineer the other a conductor. I think
there's 3 women in T&E that work in Virginia on CSX. Times haven't
really changed. Women today make up a smaller segment on the railroad
then they did before seeing technology wiped out all those clerk &
operator jobs. As for being racially diversified that's one the
railroad has been successful at accomplishing.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 27 November 2011

Female clerks, and operators go way back. Long before my time and
yours.Female T/E dates from around 1965 on a few roads, same as Colored
folks. However some Colored were their in the steam years, as Firemen
during WW2. Colored trainmen started at almost the same time a
females.

The rails were all white T/E male for many years. In my years 1963/1970
not one female, not one colored, black, Asian, Mexican, or anything
other than those that were running the trains that were unfit for
service during WW2. These folks were the Engineers and Conductors.

The rails hired a bunch as fireman/ brakemen from the military in the
early 60's, and they were real people with real skills. When I left
after 7 years the Engineers and Conductors were much more aware of
their surroundings, crew safety, and overall nice folks.

After all of that there were a few, old heads, that were cool, and
fast, and polite. When ya got the call with them at 3am you were happy.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 November 2011

suzannah

Back in the '70s & '80s there were government incentives for hiring
women. The railroads took advantage of it. I'm sure somewhere on the
books they still exceist. There were women who became clerks but highly
usual in any other craft. The railroad was a male dominated profession
and still is these days. I applauded the women who can endure the job.
I'm a firm believer no special treatment. Equality. 

I'm figuring these youngens you're discussing who bark orders are
compensating for little egos. I never had anyone bark orders at me
without giving back a jester that they were #1 with sign language an a
few choice words to deflate their egos a little further. An oldhead
taught me years ago that you can call someone an "arsehole" multiple
ways without ever using the word. It left them baffled wondering if
they were called one but there wasn't any use of profanity. It also
works on trainmaster during heated discussions. It the little victories
that makes one feel good.

Name: suzannah
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 10-20 years
Posted: 25 November 2011

RRJ,


OK, you are going to have to explain yourself on that one...Im a tax
break because Im a woman?  Just how are they saving taxes on me? Other
than getting half the choices that the men get on safety boots and only
1 shower in the new building at avon I dont see much difference. Get
alittle tired of the MEN always making remarks that us "WOMEN" have
more control. I wouldnt have 3 write ups if I was treated differently.
If anything our enviornment is worse. Having to put up with out of
control testosterone on a daily basis, rumors of screwing the
management and god for bid your engine breaks down because it wasnt
maintained. Always our fault because we dont know what we are doing.
Ha!  Just a bunch of insecure men who's ego's are threatened because
the little woman is doing the same damb job. If their manhood is
threatened then they should go play football! As for the barking orders
comment, no I wasnt talking about management. I was talking about some
of the newer conductors who are showing up and think they have some
kind of extra authority because the csx recruit tells them "WE WANT
YOU!"

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 25 November 2011

suzannah

Burst my bubble? You think to highly of yourself. You got a couple
years under your belt but still a long way to go. My post was in
response to hiring veterans for a tax break. Do I think veterans make
good employees?  Most do, some don't. You're example has me thinking
you were discussing an official. Totally different animal. We've had
our share of those in my area one we called "Sailor Bob" 28 years in
the Navy loved being a hard arse barking orders. With in a year and a
half he died of a heart attack. I hired out when it was nearly
impossible to get a rail job without knowing someone because I was a
veteran. A lot of people didn't like it they felt it screwed their
son, grandson, nephew ect...out of a job. Most everyone I've worked
with from my generation came from a railroad family. You got attitude
that you're going to change it out there good luck on that one. In
reality most likely they'll find away to get rid of people they deem
trouble. Let's get realistic you're a tax break because of being a
woman. Not a lot of women in T&E never has been they don't seem to
last long. Best bet for you union politics. Which you seem to be
involved in. Not putting you down in any way just stating the facts.

Name: suzannah
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 10-20 years
Posted: 24 November 2011

RRJ


Sorry to burst your bubble but not all ex military personnel are good
candidates to work in the public sector. That was proven several months
ago when one of their section 8 recruits went power crazy. Got shipped
out of dodge! I have also had a few who thought they were going to bark
orders and had to be brought down a few notches, I have family members
in the service and they all say the same thing.... the young ones will
only put up with so much crap before they hit the road. Dealt with that
oversea's but not putting up with it at home. Just something to tide
them over until they find what they are really looking for...

Name: Sexretary
E-mail: 
Employed as: Corporate office, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 23 November 2011

Happy Turkey Day at the Chicken Shi tt Express 

How or why CSX would assemble a management team of nincompoops in one
location is beyond logic,  (CSX Nazi Family Planning) I guess
birds of a feather flock together!  Are they Chickens or Turkeys?


Avon always has had cars on the ground and on their sides quite often
so why would it change.    Too much whacky tobacco or drinking seems to

be present.    The Enabler should be gone sooon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 23 November 2011

$

With retirements majority of oldheads will be gone within 4 years.
Hiring military veterans makes good sense tax credit or not. That's
how I got hired in the '70s. They are better disciplined better at
following orders they know how far to push till the insubordination
word pops out and know when to back off. Some kid who never left home
seems to think if he pushes the limits mom & dad will cave in. Which
doesn't work at any job. The railroad has always been militaristic in
nature. They tell you when to get up where to report give you orders
that must be followed they don't care if you have a family all most
like the military if it wasn't issued equipment and doesn't fit in
your duffle bag it's left behind. It use to be to get a railroad job
you had to know someone grandfather, father, uncle ect...it made sense
the new hire already had an idea of what to expect. That's doesn't
happen anymore HR not the local TM does the hiring. People only look at
CSX the other railroads are doing the same.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 22 November 2011

Hey $:

I thought the $9K credit was a part of the Obama's jobs proposal,
which hasn't gone anywhere. Although, it maybe in addition to an
existing credit

As far as a write off as a bad investment is concerned...I can see
that. It would go a long way in explaining the turn over rate in new
hires especially since the REDI Center has come on line.

As far as Avon is concerned, I understand there was another
derailment...this time several were laying down. Avon has to be an
embarrassment to the Great Lakes, Northern region and CSX,

If CSX stays true to form, the current management team will be
reassigned to other, lower profile areas in the next month or two.

CSX seems to have "Brain Dead Spots"...Selkirk, Baltimore, Philly to
name a few over the last 10 years. How or why CSX would assemble a
management team of nincompoops in one location is beyond logic, I guess
birds of a feather flock together!

Name: $
E-mail: 
Employed as: Corporate office, for 20-30 years
Posted: 22 November 2011

rrj


Order 1- Get rid of employees that are able to retire. Too many pre 85
benefits. 
Order 2- Get rid of all protected employees. Again, to many benefits
Order 3- Get rid of the lower one percent of new employees before they
hit 85%

Order 4- recruit as many people as possible with military back ground.
CSX recieves $9000.00 in government aid for each one. Standard
civilians with no previous railroad training are worth 4500.00 

Quoted by supervisor. "A person with a military background usually
takes orders better and are less like to question their supervision.
They are much easier to control if you threaten them with
insubordination."  Have to wonder if the company will have their
recruiters at the airport when our troops come home handing out
applications.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 22 November 2011

TD 20-30

I've never posted anything supporting CSX. That might be your
misguided interpatation. If anything I've tried to get people to
understand how to play the system. If no one has ever showed/told them
they're at a disadvantage. The last 5 years before I retired I noticed
two different groups of new hires. Group #1 took CSX literally that they
were the best better than any oldhead they would have 30 years
experience by the time their training was complete. Group #2 listened
to those oldheads who been on the railroad for decades and learned how
it works. A lot of Group #1 are terminated, quit, or spending time in
the street building up those 3 stages for eventual termination. Which
group were you? You're a TD like it really matter.

Name: Weather Dispatch
E-mail: 
Employed as: Train Dispatcher, for 20-30 years
Posted: 22 November 2011

RRJ

I am not sure why you take up for CSX on here but they operate
on the Nazi Draconian management system.   Our country is a mess 
with all the Greed.

It is very true CSX does not care about the investment in anyone
period.
Just hired the dumbest relative you can find it this works for them
just fine.

Now get a bonus for hiring a new vet. Fire an experience trained person
and put more fear in 
the Draco system. 

They Do what Brown and Sanborn tell them.   All this CSX shit runs down
hill to T&E.

You are out of touch with what they are doing now.  Reasonable thinking
does not apply
nor is it wanted or in the CSX Culture.  

COre values are lies and bullshit.  Window dressing.   Speak out and
get your nuts cut off.

If you are a Railroad Chic then maybe they will tolerate you to speak
out on here but just know they might 
be one of them stirring up shit to fire someone. Maybe you are tied to
them or have another motive.


Weather Dispatch

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 22 November 2011

been there

Why would CSX or any railroad spend all that money on training to try
and fire a new hire for a turn over rate? Ridicules! The problems that
excist are lousy training practices. You can't take someone off the
street then within 4-5 months promote them then call them a conductor.
If anyone is on the hot sheet it should be those hired before 1993 that
fall under the last crew consist agreement. A lot of agreements will be
gone after they leave. I expect one big change will be one extra board
in place. A person won't know upon being called what craft or location
they'll be working. There's other problems when you have a crew with a
new conductor and a new engineer especially one that only worked the
yard till forced to engine service. It's the blind leading the blind.
The federal agencies that are responsible to monitor & regulate the
railroads don't seem to care. Kick it up a notch in the next month or
so when they start certification for conductors. Then not only CSX
rules but the FRA can enforce another set of rules & discipline.

Name: been there
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 21 November 2011

HEY NATE

Best advice you can get... If you make it through the school and to the
property, lay low, dont question the rules and stay out of site. They
have a direct order to get rid of the lower one percent of the work
force as they come out for a turnover rate. You just might be the one
percent they chose to ax. They wont do it until you get into the last
60 days of probation. It will be just before you are officially
represented by the union. Sorry, got to pay the dues long before you
ever have representation. If they are going after you they will put a
failure on your record while you are training. So if they leave you
along during your training period theres a good chance they havent put
the bullseye on your back but dont ever let your guard down. Used to be
if you had someone with you they would leave you alone cause you had a
witness. Doesnt work that way anymore. They just lie and you get
screwed. Good luck

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 21 November 2011

RRJ.

The 16 hour law was fine, never heard a complaint. It allowed a yard
crew to work 2 shifts if things fell that way (1-1/2). It also really
helped turn the boards, as the state full crew law's applied for only
10 miles. If the trains were running some firemen and trainmen could
triple (3) or do 4 trips  in 16 hours when the boards were exhausted.

On the L&N every crew member had the (kick for 10 hrs rest) right. That
really used to annoy me, as the only folks that did that at the away
from home terminal were those with girlfriends. At times we got run
around because of the 10 from one person, and that was hurting MY
paycheck, but accepted it as part of the job.

As a side note, moving from a Trainman, to Fireman/Engineer, now that
makes a RR career. I moved backwards from a Fireman to Trainman,
Conductor. Now ya see why I left, I always wanted to drive, and left
before that would have happened.

Now I need to get back to being a RR officer,disgruntled employee, old
fart with too much time on his hands, Has Been, kid that could not step
up, Impostor and so on.

GOOB

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 18 November 2011

Goob

I never worked under the 16 HOS law it was change to 12 a few years
before I hired out. A lot of the oldheads use to talk about it and none
ever complained. It was if they missed it. I remember being forced to
other terminals length of time was between a few months to over a year.
Saw my house every few weeks. Followed work at other times the last one
I spent 3 1/2 years living in a bunkhouse on railroad property. My home
terminal was now the away terminal spent a few hours every 3-4 days at
home. Best that happened when engineers got 10 hour undisturbed rest
the last 18 months. I'd go down with one conductor go back with
another. Usually got runaround 3-4 times started to make quite a bit of
HAFH terminal. It was if I was beating the system. More time at home
plus extra earnings. Then I could claim my spot back when I returned.
All it takes is some ingenuity an everyone can beat the system in one
way or another. One sure fire way to win is money. They got their rules
play by them and make money.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 17 November 2011

NO-MO

I think you and RRJ will enjoy this bit from the past.

Up for Bid-- Brakeman, Flagman, Conductor.

Inter divisional (Payback mileage) The job. Worked 6 days under the old
16 hour rules. I knew it was a money maker. Off day away from home.

I bid on all 3 jobs,I was married and broke.

Got the head end, and we worked week after week, making a killing,
sleep at home every other day for 6 hours and gone again. New bride
washing, me sleeping and leaving again. I was driving 45 minutes each
way on a good 2 hour call it was ok. We all know how many of those that
a person get's.

Long story cut way short----This is the RR.

PS- I never worked 1 hour on the RR, just walked a lot of miles, and
spent a lot of hours there.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 17 November 2011

Hey Nate:

It all depends whether you're in yard or road service. One thing is
certain...you will be on the extra board until your seniority allows
you to hold a regular slot.

Yard service allows you to be home. On the Extra Board there is no set
shift and most of your work will be graveyards and weekends.

Road service on the extra board...allows you to be home long enough to
get your ashes hauled and sleep.

Today the have mandatory minimum rest and scheduled off days. Back in
my day I would work at least 30 straight and sometimes 60 before 
I marked off sick. the standard trip to New Orleans 12 hours out, 16
hours plus at the motel, 12 hours in and 10 hours at home. There have
been times that I've spent 56 hours at the motel.

The divorce rate among Railroaders may be the highest for any
occupation so be forewarned!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 17 November 2011

car repair 1-10

I just read this morning your union & 3 others broke way from the 11
unions under the PEB an excepted a proposed contract. Funny they ride
on the backs of the BLEt & BMWE which are the only two unions in the
IBT Rail Conference which entitles them to Teamster support then bail
out if the railroads throw them a bone. Apparently they don't have the
guts to take it to the limits. I did read yesterday the UP & BNSF have a
proposed conctract. I know the UP doesn't have on property contacts not
sure of Buffetts BNSF. With this latest news it isn't good for the 7
other unions numbers are dwindling. When it started after the UTU
signed a pattern contract 70% of railroad workers were without a
contact. Now with this latest news the numbers are around 30%. The
power in numbers has dwindled. 

As for you comment on the union sets up work shifts ect...what's wrong
with it? Are you disappointed because you might not hold 1st shift with
weekends off? You actually think CSX loves you? That they would treat
you better? At one terminal the UTU agreed to change work rules on yard
assignments going to 3/12 & 4/10 shifts. CSX is trying to violate
excisting agreements with the BLET SSA through blackmail to get them to
do the same. The threat do as we want or everything goes remote. It's
all about cutting jobs. Under this they'll lose about 20% manpower
going from 3 shifts a day to 2 shifts per day. Oh Yeah! CSX loves
everyone.

Name: Nate
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 16 November 2011

Hey, I have recently accepted a conductor position out of garrett
indiana, I leave for atlanta in the middle of january.  I have some
doubts about this job and i'm not positive if its right for me.  I
know the money is great but im a family oriented person i realize i'll
have to put in long hours and face the chance of being away from home
but how often exactly? on average how often would i be home and away
from home. thank you

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Car repair, for 1-10 years
Posted: 16 November 2011

We need an uprise about our union contracts right now, the workforce as
a group hates the company that pays our wages, and we have let our
union run right over us,,ie.. most recently the utu accepting thier
health care policies, which are now flooding into all union debates,
this from a union that has no business in our ranks at all anymore,
they are obsolete, you can no longer retire as a conductor, why are
they still allowed to strong arm, and choose what is best for employees
that wont ever retire under thier watch is beyond me.. the old timers
gave up pay increases numerous times to ensure our benefits didnt fall
by the wayside, well now that is happening before our eyes and no one
seems to care....

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Car repair, for 1-10 years
Posted: 16 November 2011

It's not CSX that sets your schedule.. Youre fine union has done that
for you, would it be a healthier schedule w/out your union, who knows,
but for now you work under an agreement, and that is what you signed up
for..

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 12 November 2011

John Doe

That's not new information. I know 4 people from my area who went to
the same class at the REDI flunked out of engineer school that the RFE
saved by telling the instructors he'll be responsible for getting them
trained. Not trying to make it into a racial issue all were black their
average age was around 47. To my knowledge this hadn't happened any
other time. This was around 2007-2008. I got my arse chewed out by the
RFE for sealing my evaluation sheets in a envelope for one of them
which that's what it states to do on the instructions. They were bad
evaluations this person slept most of the time didn't follow
instructions didn't know signals ect...the RFE stated it was wrong of
me that he wanted the trainee to read critisism. I was told never to do
it again I informed him the only thing that'll I'll never do again is
take anymore trainees. This was the only trainee I ever did this to my
point was if CSX made him an engineer then the training is a sham. They
promoted him luckily he stood for a yard job at another terminal after
promotion. Two out of the four ended up by stop signals within a year.

Name: A "Wife"
E-mail: 
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for 1-10 years
Posted: 11 November 2011

As a "Wife" to an Employee of Radnor Yard... KARMA!!!! I sure hope
those men keep their jobs because they are going to be BROKE paying all
that child support ( yup, even to you Anna)!!! 
I personally don't think these woman are that stupid not to know what
is going on! All those meetings, training seminars, derailments and
overtime or extra shifts are total BS!!! And if the wives and spouses
know about what is going on and want to tolerate it, well shame on them
and they are just as twisted!!

CSX is not a place for families.

Name: John Doe
E-mail: datsomebs@yahoo.com
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 11 November 2011

*****MUST READ*******

IF YOU KNOW OF ANYONE OR YOU HAVE BEEN FIRED FOR NOT PASSING THE
ENGINEERS TRAINING PROGRAM YOU NEED TO READ THIS.  

AN ATLANTA DIVISION CONDUCTOR ON THE A&WP SUB-DIVISION FAILED ENGINE
SCHOOL AND IS BEING ALLOWED TO GO BACK ON HIS CONDUCTOR SENIORITY.
OTHER GUYS THAT WERE IN THE CLASS WITH THIS INDIVIDUAL SAID HE GOT BY
EVERY STOP SIGNAL ON THE SIMS AND COULD NOT EVEN PASS THE SIGNAL TEST
OR ANY OTHER TEST HE WAS GIVEN. I KNOW SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO WERE FIRED
BECAUSE THEY FAILED AND WERE NOT ALLOWED TO COME BACK ON THEIR
CONDUCTOR SENIORITY AS THE LETTER YOU SIGN STATES BEFORE YOU BEGIN
ENGINE CLASSES.  GET THE WORD OUT TO THOSE THIS HAS HAPPENED TO.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 09 November 2011

It's scary that some railroaders have bought into the right wing
agenda. Rail unions have lost out which started in the mid '80s.
During the '90s they didn't push to restore the losses. They became
complacent. I find it troubling that this next generation of
railroaders are willing to gamble on the right wing. They shouldn't
care about social programs, immigration ect...they should be devoted to
bettering their lives and that of their families. The direction they're
going is a one way path to self destruction. I look that the republicans
will take more away with ending tax deductions for the middle class.
That could affect railroaders big time like away from home tax
deduction breaks. The super committee is already discussing these
things. Raygun did it to the middle class in the '80s by taking away
90% of tax deductions for the middle class. Those that have will find
other ways to beat the system.

Name: GL
E-mail: 
Employed as: Train Dispatcher, for 20-30 years
Posted: 08 November 2011

Spelling correction - *news*



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Name: GL
E-mail: 
Employed as: Train Dispatcher, for 20-30 years
Posted: 08 November 2011

God damn.... Both of you just need to quit watching cable new.

Name: BOYLES
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 20-30 years
Posted: 08 November 2011

...FOX CABLE IS THE ONLY AMERICAN CHANEL TO WATCH....

 CNN,,MSNBC,,,ABC..CBS,,,,ALL COMMUNIST TYPE,,,SOCIALIST....

WHY DO THESE CHANNELS WANT TO DESTROY PEOPLE.....EVERY BODY IS
50...50...TILL PROVEN DIFFERENT,,,BUT,,THE MSNBC AND OTHERS,DO NOT TELL
THE TRUTH...

AND,,,IF YOU VOTE DEMOCRATE AGAIN,,,,,YOUR UNIONS MAY CUT MORE BENIFITS
OUT....
 ALL YOUR UNIONS WANT IS YOUR MONEY,,,,YOU HAVE NO SAY SO,,,!!!!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 08 November 2011

BOYLE

All I can say to that it's good to be retired. You need to lay off
watching/listening to FOX, Hannerty, Limbaugh, O'Reilly ect...quit
drinking the kool-aid. If you think republicans are your friends an if
they happen to gain control of the WH & the Senate it'll be sad to see
what happens to railroad workers & the American worker in general. I can
gaurentee it'll not be nice. Who will you blame then?

Name: BOYLES
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 20-30 years
Posted: 08 November 2011

SADLY,,,I COULD NOT VOTE DEMOCRATE,,,,,,,  I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN
UNION,,,BUT,,NOW I SEE WHAT THEY HAD DONE AND WHAT DESTRUCTION THEY
HAVE GAVE THE RAILROAD...
  I HAD RATHER GIVE MY TAX MONEY TO A RICH MAN THAT WORKS,,,THAN A DEAD
BEAT ,,SOCIALIST ,,COMMUNIST THAT IS PAID TO DO NOTHING,,,DRAW WELFARE
AND GOVERMENT BENIFITS... WITH MY TAX MONEY.!!!!
 AND,,,YOUR UNION IS NOT WHAT YOUR DADS UNION WAS 50 YEARS AGO....
IT IS CORRUPT NOW,,,,,,,BACKED BY THE DEMOCRATE PARTY.....
...YES,,,I AGREE,,BOTH PARTIES ARE SOMEWHAT CORRUPT,,,BUT,,,GIVE MY TAX
MONEY TO A WORKING MAN,,,NOT A SOCIAL STAY HOME DEAD BEAT GOVERMENT
PAID,,,PERSON,,,,,
THIS IS CALLED,,MODERN DAY SLAVERY,,,PAID FOR BY THE DEMOCRATES..
  WHAT HAPPEN TO ,,,,HOPE AND CHANGE.?????

Name: CC
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 08 November 2011

RRJ, You are absolutely right about how Reagan started the destruction
of the (tax base)middle-class. Wages have been on a continuous since
the greed started!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 08 November 2011

BOYLES

Sounds like you're suggesting people vote for republicans or worse yet
a tea bagger. They are the cause for the destruction of the middle
class. It started with Ronald Raygun, Daddy Bush, a republican
controlled Congress from 1994-2006, The Shrub, now a divided Congress
with Boehner & Cantor at the top of the problem list. I'm not an Obama
supporter I would of preferred Hillary Clinton in 2008 but like other
years I'll vote for the lessor of the two evils which will be the
democrats. I'll take social programs for the people over taxpayer
welfare for corporations. Former Supreme Court Chief Justice Earl
Warren in 1952 stated "Many people consider the things which
government does for them social progress but they regard the thing
government does for others socialism". These words hit the nail on the
head. The same BS was happening nearly 50 years ago.

Name: Radnor Trash
E-mail: 
Employed as: Train Dispatcher, for 10-20 years
Posted: 07 November 2011

Why is Ted not at the top of this list?
If anyone would put up with Scott's crap he might of made the list. He
is still dreaming that he's the ladies man.
Other than that, I might agree with the list.

Name: BOYLES
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 07 November 2011

...PEOPLE,,,,YOU HAVE NO UNIONS,,,,THE UNIONS TAKE YOUR MONEY AND LAUGH
AT YOU..!!!!
...YOU MAY GO TO MEETINGS,,,BUT,,,THEY DO AS THEY WISH,,NOT AS YOU
VOTE.!!!!!

IF OBAMA STAYS IN OFFICE 4 MORE YEARS,,,,,,WELL,,,YOU WILL SEE.!!!!

IT IS A SAD DAY IN AMERICA WHAT HAS HAPPEN TO THIS COUNTRY,!!!

AND,,,THE NEW GENERATION THAT IS LEADING US,,AND,,WHAT IS WORSE,,,THE
GENERATIONS AFTER THEM,!!!!

,,,,,HOW SAD AMERICA HAS GOTTEN,,,,,,,,AND,,TEACHERS,,,WELL,,THAT IS
ANOTHER STORY...
SOCIALISUM AT WORK IN OUR SCHOOLS.!!!!!!

Name: Re: Nashville
E-mail: 
Employed as: Crew Dispatcher, for 10-20 years
Posted: 06 November 2011

Nashville
If anyone that made it to "Family Day" could have noticed who is who.
You had married employees that did not bring their spouse, employees
that did bring their spouses and limited them on conversations with
fellow employees, of course the glares from the ones that have had
relations with one another. 
There needs to be tighter restrictions against the "Power Houses"
that are ruining families and the companies name.
Now let's start with that list.

1. Ted (swinger)
2. John (watch out for your wives, girlfriends and daughters)
3. Jeremy (better get tested when your done with him)
4. Mike (old school)

Name: 
E-mail: RED_CHECK@MSN.COM
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 04 November 2011

The BNSF is no better. If you leave for a family emergency or doctor
appointment the hold it against you

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 03 November 2011

RRJ,
Nice post 2/11

I loved the part where the Engineer's got/get rest days and the
trainmen refused. If ya ride on the left side ya can take every call.

Yard crews are not the same.

MRL- Montana Rail Link has the solution, and it is working very well.
2 Engineers (BLE)on every train.

They like each other, work as a team, trade sides. Little 220 mile
railroad thru some tough terrain.

Before I go, just want to throw out one more comment. The guarantee of
2400=2700 per half is not chicken feed. Anyone that wants the CSX to
bend, is asking for trouble. Just saying. HA

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 03 November 2011

Some of you posters act like little kids. It's difficult to fathom CSX
letting you work out there in such a hazardous occupation. Childish
comments racist comments sexist comments ect....Didn't your parents
give you enough attention when you were growing up? Mabey you didn't
have a father in your life to teach you to become & behave like a man?
I'm definitely not looking forward to seeing what's next after
generation "Why". lol. Unfortunately from what I witness from the 12
& 13 year olds in my neighborhood there's no improvement. The gene
pool has gone way down. lol

Name: Jeff Middleton
E-mail: Iluvsuckingcox.com
Employed as: Train Master/ supervisor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 03 November 2011

....my ex-wife hates me, my kids hate me, everyone hates me. The only
pleasure I get in life anymore is firing employees in radnor yard
especially if they are black. Pete Burris can't do anything about me
because he is scared of me. The unions can't do anything with me
because.....well because the unions can't do anything about anything
anymore. So fair warning....if you want to keep your job with Csx, stay
away from my yard or me and my big ass buffalo head will come down on
you whenever and however I want......especially if you are black.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 30+ years
Posted: 02 November 2011

Pete Burus is a complete nut case. 

He wouldn't even have a job if it wasn't for his dad being a board
member at one time. Check his work record. He's about as qualified as
a slug.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 02 November 2011

NoMo

Ha! He's confusing you for me. lol. Even I have backed off about the
attendance policy. I didn't like it when I was working. His comment on
my generation use to get 10X's more time off I won't disagree but we
also had no gaurentee extra boards which were loaded down marking off
allowed them to make money. It also was dependent on which subdivision
one worked a lot of those oldheads never took time off. We use to draw
unemployment for not making days or milage in a half that was on a
regular basis. The only good times were vacation season. Gaureteed
boards allowed attendance policies to get started. Can't blame the
unions the members wanted it. If this person is working a board with no
rest days it has be a local issue. I know one terminal where they
didn't want rest days on freight pools or the extra board. They felt
it would hurt their earning power even though the rest days were
voluntary not manditory. Eventually the engineers did get rest days
established but the trainmen still rejected it. I'm sure there are
several places that felt this way and they still excist. Who's fault
is it? Not CSX or the unions.

Name: Conductor
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 02 November 2011

NoMo

Yea only board we have on my line is Conductor board. They have done
away with the Foreman's, Reserve and Brakeman board. We now have a
daily guarantee board for 6 days and no days off. The other board I
hold on another line is No Guarantee, no days off. The line I'm on has
no board for conductors with days off. Anytime it slows and you draw a
couple guarantee days they start cutting the board.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 01 November 2011

Hey Con 1-10:

You still have a conductor's board? How about a foreman's board or a
reserve board?

I thought those were all gone...we got rid of them in Mobile back in 
02 or 03 and went to a trainman's board. Seems the guarantee was
$2,400 and one day a week off. I think it went to a $2700 7/2 rotation
which allowed one weekend off a month. I don't know what it is now.

I don't know what line you work but it would seem to me the LC could
certainly cut a better deal. If you seniority allows you to, move into
the yard or the brakeman's board. 

The Conductor's and Foreman's boards were for the old heads that were
getting ready to retire and trying to pad their retirements

Name: Conductor
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 01 November 2011

FRA days are a joke. You very rarely ever catch those days. I have
worked non-stop basically for 8 months and have caught the FRA days 3
times total. Don't have a day off either on the conductor board on my
side. So basically I'm on call 24/7, no days off unless I luck up and
catch all early day extra jobs. So ya basically its your policy x10
worse. I always see you just downing every that complains. You have no
ideal what is it like no days. You get sick and its not a 24 hour virus
you better go to the ER or you break the attendance policy. Its crap
now. You guys had it much better.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 01 November 2011

Hey Con 1-10:

Lecture people on the attendance policy? I could care less if you show
up or mark off.

You seem to know what the policy is. Now you just need to decide
whether or not you will abide by it or suffer the consequences. Feel
free to take off whenever you want.

Attendance is not optional with CSX, the military or any other
employer. Today you have mandatory rest and off days which is something
the old policy didn't have.

You can thank the guaranteed extra boards, FRA, unions and every one
that abused the previous policies for the current one. It may be a
shitty deal but it's the only deal you have...until it changes again!

Name: Conductor
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 01 November 2011

NOMO 

I always hear you lecture people on the attendance policy. You really
have no right to tell anyone about the attendance policy if you retired
in 2006. I worked with both policy's and I can tell you it SUCKS. The
old timers like yourself got 10x the amount of days off if they chose
too. Not trying to bash you but you have no ideal how bad it is right
now.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 01 November 2011

Yea I was wondering how CSX can take certain doctor excuses and not
others. Wouldn't that be discrimination to give Employee A no penalty
for missing work with a doctor's note and Employee B a letter for
attendance with a doctor's note? Sometimes they will reject doctor
excuses because of the days you are sick. Don't understand how this is
legal..

Name: Bo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 20-30 years
Posted: 31 October 2011

Ape I'm with you I hate this piece of shit company more every day. They
have ruined this job. We are only allowed 1 day a month off sick. Coyle
,Frulla and the rest of our Natzi dictators are of every weekend and
are there familys every day. We are lower than whale shit in there
feeble minds yet were the ones who make all there money for them. If it
wasn't for us they wouldn't have a damn job. They treat us like slaves
and scum of the earth. As for the unions the are obviously paid off or
they wouldn't agree to all this bullshit the company throws at us all
the time. They could care less if we live or die just so we wear our
safety glasses and little yellow vests.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 29 October 2011

Hey APE:

I worked for CSX until 06...I know exactly where coming from.

The policy was you were allowed 3 days paid bereavement leave for
the death of a spouse, child, parent, sibling and other immediate
family members of your spouse.

Unless the policy has changed...mark off. Don't ask them if you can,
tell them to mark you off. You shouldn't have a problem. Bereavement
leave was part of the L&N CBA I worked under. I would think it would
also be part of any other CBAs. Discuss this with your LC...he should
be able to help.

I don't know how long you have worked for CSX but a word of advice,
don't let them push you around because they will. Push back, the way
you do that is know the agreements you work under and be active in your
local.

I can tell you from experience, when my father died in 02 I had to
travel to Connecticut from Mobile. I needed an extra day and the caller
accommodated me without question. The old saying, cooperate and graduate
is still true...you look out for the callers and trainmasters and
they'll look out for you and the ones that don't, you lay pipe to!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 29 October 2011

NoMo,

Its a shame u don't work here, beacuse you really don't understand
where im comming from.  As i stated earlier IT ISNT COVERD IN THE
POLICY. Crew managment has to approve of all mark offs,(at least
they've had to approve all of mine) in order to receive that day. THEY
WILL NOT APPROVE. But im sure those morons will be off if they have a
death in their family.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 29 October 2011

Hey APE:

Why do you need an answer? There is a written bereavement policy, mark
off and be done with it.

If the funeral falls with in the policy, you won't have a problem.
If it doesn't, you'll face the consequences. You'll have to decide
if it's worth it!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 29 October 2011

This Company is an ABSOLUTE JOKE. I hate this place with a passion.
Everyone in Crew Managment should be fired for being rude and obnoxious
and never giving an employee a straight answer. I Have been trying to
get a real answer for 2 days about marking off due to a death in the
family that isn't coverd by their BULLSHIT policy. So far I have
gotten multiple, different answers and they all come to one conclusion,
"your outta luck". I seriously hope "upper" management reads this,
so mabey they realize what a shithole this so called railroad really
is. 

I FUCKING HATE CSX. THIS IS WHAT RUINS THIS RAILROAD AND THE EMPLOYEES
THAT WORK HERE.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 27 October 2011

Evans,

You gonna continue to send those Checks.

I know bitch and pay, only because ya have to.

Dumb and Dumber, at work.

Stop payroll deduction, that requires a signature.

Then wait for the phone to ring. That simple move from a really irate
union member could put a few hundred in your pocket.

Step 2 is going to be a little tougher, Bros are going to mess with
you.

Step 3 as a whoose ya pay up.

So stop bitching, be a nice person and send your money to the most
deserving???

Name: evans
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 20-30 years
Posted: 25 October 2011

Ble sucks, csx sucks, and utu really sucks


thanks to the unions for this shit attendance policy, thanks utu for
the shit insurance policy,

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 25 October 2011

CSX is a Piss Poor Company to work for and I would NEVER EVER recommend
anyone young or old Applying for a job with this company.From day 1
they try to Fire you and Hide in the weeds to Pray that they can catch
you doing something wrong or at least Hope they Can LIE about something
you did to get an O-test failure.The Huntington Division has to be the
Worst division for Employees as Bobby Jack Frulla has a Hardon to Fire
everyone that has on o-test failure.He and his Henchmen on the system
could give a shit less about you,your safety or you feeding your
family.He just wants to Fire EVERYONE I dont care if you have NEVER
marked off,never had a Miscall,worked Everyday of the year even
Holidays,Never had any Previous negative work history or attendance
issues.The first time you get busted without your Studded Rubbers in
the snow or Without your safety glasses your on the road to Termination
in Bob Frullas mind he is out to Fire every employee he has.People like
him are the ones who will Drive this company and companies like it into
the Ground.No matter if how Stellar of an employee you are your still
the Shitstain under the Officials and Bigwhigs shoesoles.You can never
be a good enough employee and work hard enough for this company your
just a # and if they dont like you for any reason there are schmucks
waiting in line to replace you.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 10-20 years
Posted: 23 October 2011

i think being given sick days and THEN being penalized for using them is
a huge form of harassment. We are now on a "points" system which is R
I D i C U L O U S. 

As for discrimination. . . NO doubt about it. it is just reverse
discrimination. It is very sad how this company operates. They  do
nothing to boost morale which leads to good workers turning intslackers

Name: shocked
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 10-20 years
Posted: 21 October 2011

Shock and Awwe.  Cant believe a company has so much fucked up shit in
it.  If they did a reality show about all the people fucking other
employees wives, or the street trash  at the hotels America would tune
in.They could hae it sponsored by Penicillin.  Its really sad what goes
on in some of these places.   But in the Florence division  the
spreadings legs and diseases been going on  for years, and everyone has
tasted everyone elses cocks pretty much. Why a man would put his dick in
some of these raw sewage pussies I wont know.  I would jerk off for life
before I would touch that.  Not enough liquor to make that journey.  And
the  manipulation of the personal business and sick days. The bullshit
that people get away with. One employee in Florence Div.  has some kind
of record.  Every week hes got cancer, headaches sore knees, you name
it. or his wife has some debilitating disease.  And  forging dates on
dr.s notes and no one seems to question it.He copys his altered
document and sends it right from home. He even faked a jury duty notice
once.  Printed up fake papers at home.   He is a part time employee
getting to use and grossly abuse the full time benefits.  All the
running to the Emergency rooms and drs to get  notes costs everyone
else moremoney to make it up.    This guys been pulling this shit for
years. YEARS I am sure there is some one whos lower in seniority who
would actually WORK and appreciate working. He has every ailment known
to science.  and when he feels like it he might show up to work and
step on a train once a month.    I hope he donates his body to science,
hes a walking medical mystery.  I have known many people come and go
some worked and did their job, others were useless piles of shit, but
at least they showed up. Some got fired for dumb shit while this fucker
stares at his laptop 24-7 looking for ways to get off. I thought you
could mark off sick certain numberof days month and then get a note.
Personal business,and off sick EVERY WEEK! If this fat fuck is so sick
hes a danger to anyone he works around.  He could keel over any second
and kill someone. Or get hurt and try to sue. Why is he not taken out
of service?  If you are so sick and "stressed" out . It aint from
working. Or if your wifes sick how does that stop you from working. 
Three teenagers at home and they appear ust as useless as you are.
Stepping on a train once a month is like chore  to you.    Instead you
and your wife run to the Dr every chance you can. And the Drs love the
insurance so they will run tests and do whatever to get the money. Real
classy.  How he still collects what little paycheck he does is shocking.
  I dont understand someone that dosent even put in enough time to earn
vacation still has a job.And is quick to comment here with his two
cents about everything. And brags about how hes a peice of shit
basically.  Copying and changing drs notes is fucked up. All it would
take is a few following up and it would all be over. And telling people
that you have cancer is more fucked up.  If you did you wouldnt be a fat
piece of shit.  A little chemo and radiation would have made it possible
to see your dick you fat shit.   My brothers here on the railroad who
work and do their jobs are sick of dealing with pieces of crap who will
never earn the title employee, just sit home faking it. And clogging the
turn that could be filled with an actual engineer.  Instead if you.  I
only pray that someone actually does their job and checks into this
crap.  Cant miss him..... enough drs notes to fill 5 empties.  all fake
and forged.  Well im off to got to work you shit

Name: jim bob
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 16 October 2011

I agree with you Lisa CSX sucks big time. Its like a communist
dictatorship out here anymore.The attendance policy is such bull shit
we are like slaves. The morale of the workers is the lowest Ive ever
seen in my time working for this shit hole. the majority of the
employees hate this piece of shit job. The unions are a sick joke. All
they do is take our money and not do a f***ing thing for us.

Name: Occupy Wall Street
E-mail: 1500to1earnings@rbarons.rr
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 14 October 2011

The occupy Wall Street protest is working. A vast majority understands
that a democracy cannot sustain itself when CEO's are earning 2500%
more than their lowest paid fellow employee!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 12 October 2011

I do know one thing.  You would have to be out of you mind, or have a
gun pointed to your head for supporting the UTU!

Back stabbing BASTARDS!

Shame on you if you still pay dues to the UTU, they aren't looking out
for you or your families, THATS A FACT!

The contract they negotiated sold you up the river!

I hope they sink fast & get what they deserve!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 07 October 2011

NoMo

I don't go on the unions sites anymore. Seeing I do own both CSX & NS
stock most news pertaining to railroad related issues are on one or
both. That's how I knew Obummer was going to create a PEB which I
mentioned last week on a post. People need to know the facts even if
the strike did occur it was limited to the national contract nothing
else. 

cond 

Scuttlebutt rumors have been around as long as the railroad. If 93% of
the BLE members voted for a strike it would of happened if Obummer
wouldn't of invoked the RLA. I know in my area they were gearing up to
set up picket lines. There's no such thing as a wildcat strike on the
railroad at least one with unions blessings which would never happen.
People say rail unions have no guts they need to do research the
Railway Labor Act has been around since 1923 which is a major deterent.
It took 3-4 years just to get to a point of a possible strike under the
RLA. The 11 unions could of settled by accepting the UTU pattern. Now
they still have a little time to settle if not the U.S. Congress might
force a contract. It might be less than the UTU pattern it's happened
before. If negotiations after the cooling off period stall both the
railroads & unions will testify before a Congressional hearing pleading
their case.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 07 October 2011

Actually guys I was out of town and just monitoring my email. I received
an email last night saying the PEB has not been signed and a strike was
still possible. Haven't had the opportunity to monitor other sites
about the PEB being signed

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 07 October 2011

Hey RRJ:

I've been gone a long time but I still occasionally look at the UTU
and BLEt web sites...it amazes me how people with a vested interest in
CSX and are union members are oblivious to events that can affect
their lives. They seen to trust the scuttlebutt they hear at work and
what they read on this sight!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 07 October 2011

cond 1-10

You're an idiot. It's in the news just have to look it up Obummer
signed the PEB yesterday.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 07 October 2011

I knew nobody had the balls to strike. The deal was if the PEB was not
signed by 0001 the BLE was striking. I'm pretty sure nothing was
signed at 0001 and csx is still operating like usual. Unions suck these
days and the company will and can do what they want. There is tons of
things that need changed in this company and the union just sticks
around doing nothing making threats why the company laughs. I know the
strike is over Health care but I'm just as pissed over putting in 
claim with the article number, page and agreement and the claim is
still denied. Not to mention the Nazi attendance policy we are under.

Name: RealVet
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 07 October 2011

Mr. Ian - you are an idiot.  You can't even get Monte's number right. 
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA. LMAO at you dumbass.  Maybe you can put some
movement sensors on that rock you live under so when someone lifts it
you can crawl deeper under it. What a poser.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 07 October 2011

NoMo

The short articles I read from AP, Reuters ect...were all on CSX and
the other railroads stock page. I did read a short article last week
that Obummer was going to enact a PEB by Oct 7th. The articles this
morning all pointed to the pattern set by the UTU that will more than
likely be forced upon the other unions. ScrewUTU has done it again. The
sell out union afraid of it's own shadow. That's not to say the other
unions are any better at least the BLE was the only one that went a
step further with the strike vote. I'll give them credit for at least
taking some action.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 07 October 2011

Hey RRJ:

It hasn't even made the front page of the MSNBC site yet. you have to
search the site using "PEB"!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 07 October 2011

Lisa

The chances of striking at 0001 this morning we're a 50-50 shot. No
one knew what Obama was going to do. The BLE was willing to strike so
were the members under the Railway Labor Act it was taken out of their
hands. Out of 11 unions the BLE was the only one to enact a strike
vote. In my opinion several issues came in to play 1) to close to an
election year 2) the economy 3) the present hatred for unions in this
country to name a few to sum it up it was all national politics. We've
been in recessions before been on strikes under both republican &
democrat presidents. The proposed rail srike didn't even make
headlines in the news yesterday or any other day. They made sure it was
in the news when Obama created PEB 243. Most people in this country
didn't have a clue anything was happening. As for the attendance
policy the strike had nothing to do with it or any other concerns on
CSX except healthcare.

Name: Lisa
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 1-10 years
Posted: 07 October 2011

A union that can't strike is not a union..

A union that allows suck an attendance policy is not a union.

CSX-sucks, blet-sucks, utureally-sucks,

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 06 October 2011

Obama appoints PEB 243 to investigate BLET contract dispute
 
CLEVELAND, October 6 — President Barack Obama today established
Emergency Board (PEB) No. 243, to investigate and make recommendations
for settlement of the current disputes between the Rail Labor
Bargaining Coalition (RLBC) and five other unions, and the National
Carriers Conference Committee (NCCC). The Brotherhood of Locomotive
Engineers and Trainmen (BLET) is one of the 6 unions that comprise the
RLBC.

The PEB is empanelled effective October 7, 2011.

In total, the 11 rail labor unions involved in the dispute represent 75
percent of all rail workers in the United States who work for major
Class 1 railroads.

The five-member PEB now has 30 days to investigate the dispute and make
recommendations to President Obama regarding a settlement of the
contract disputes. There is another mandatory 30-day cooling off period
that follows.

It is expected that PEB 243 will begin hearings in Washington, D.C.,
within the next 10 days.

If the PEB recommendations fail to lead to a voluntary settlement, then
the parties would be free to engage in self-help once again at the
expiration of the second 30-day cooling off period, which would be
December 7, 2011.

It is possible for Congress to intervene and legislatively mandate a
settlement. If this is done, Congress typically would take the
recommendations of the PEB and write them into law.

President Obama appointed the following individuals to the PEB: Ira F.
Jaffe, Chair; Roberta Golick, Member; Joshua M. Javits, Member; Gil
Vernon, Member; and Arnold M. Zack, Member.

The ongoing dispute over wages and health care benefits dates to early
2009 when negotiations began between the BLET and NCCC for a new
collective bargaining agreement.

The Railway Labor Act (RLA) governs contract negotiations between the
parties. The appointment of the PEB comes at the close of the mandatory
30-day cooling off period, a step in the RLA process that began on
September 6, 2011. That’s when the National Mediation Board (NMB)
released the BLET and the 10 other RLBC unions from mediation with the
rail carriers.

At the expiration of the cooling off period, either party could have
engaged in self-help: a strike by labor or a lock-out by management, at
12:01 a.m. EDT on Friday, October 7. To that end, the BLET conducted a
strike authorization vote that concluded on October 3. An overwhelming
97 percent of BLET members voted in favor of the strike.

In his message sending the Executive Order to all General Chairmen,
President Pierce said, “I know that you were all prepared to assist the
National Division in leading our members in a job action had it been
necessary and legal. Please remember that the attached Executive Order
effectively bars us from any form of self help until December 7, 2011.
During the next 60 days, it is imperative that we continue our effort
to strengthen our networks and remain vigilant to the fact that we may
face circumstances similar to today’s on December 7th.

"I speak for all of us here at the National Division in passing on our
thanks for everyone’s continued support in our efforts to bring this
bargaining round to a successful conclusion.”

The RLBC is comprised of: Teamsters Rail Conference members BLET and
the Brotherhood of Maintenance of Way Employes Division; the
Brotherhood of Railroad Signalmen; International Brotherhood of
Boilermakers; National Conference of Firemen and Oilers of the Service
Employees International Union; and the Sheet Metal Workers
International Association.

The Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and Trainmen represents 55,000
professional locomotive engineers and trainmen throughout the United
States. The BLET is the founding member of the Rail Conference,
International Brotherhood of Teamsters.

President Obama’s Executive Order is available here: 
http://www.ble-t.org/pr/pdf/PEB_Executive_Order.pdf


Thursday, October 06, 2011
bentley@ble.org

Name: abc
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 05 October 2011

B Edwards  go fuck yourself

Name: Montgomery Ward
E-mail: goinonstrike@cs-x.com
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 04 October 2011

A strike was authorized by 97% of the membership--which could happen in
a few days.
Much needed rest will be gotten...so too speak!

Name: Willy
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 28 September 2011

I like pete  about as much as the next guy but putting that on here
about his son

Yo a Bitch

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 28 September 2011

That's pretty nasty. No one should talk about someones family.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Train Master/ supervisor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 27 September 2011

If Pete Burrus was a descent human being maybe the good lord would have
blessed him with a normal child.

Name: Economics 101
E-mail: $200millionceo@cs-x.com
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 27 September 2011

People...It's time to start figuring-out that management will not abide
buy its moral obligations unless challenged by the union bosses. 

Management salaries is optimized by a bare minimum of TE&Y employees
that requires constant distractions of discipline or threats thereof.

The focus should be on the unions that you are paying dues to--not
management!

You cannot win a one man battle with the carriers without the support
of your union!

One less TE&Y employee hired is another $200,000 in the coffers of
management and pass CEO's like Snow who's collecting $2.7 million
annually in pension!

Name: Jake
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 September 2011

Lysol doesn't kill this film that is caked on everything!  It is a
deceased environment and company sucks axcept it.  For the attendance
issue, try laying off for an aunt's funeral.  It won't happen.

Name: BackBone Detected
E-mail: Ohio
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 26 September 2011

Looks like a strike is highly possible. The International appears to
have put fleecing FLEA Attorneys aside and now looking-out for the
members. Maybe this will be the decade of leadership and change!

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 26 September 2011

Hey Loco 10-20:

Sounds like my favorite joint!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 26 September 2011

William you snuck back in. Hey, webmaster he's back.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 26 September 2011

What???? Get yourself a container of Lysol wipes to clean the console
ect...My only gripe was the pigs before me that left the locomotive a
mess. Toilets are a whole lot better than they were years ago. They do
have hand cleaners in the crew packs or buy your own. Todays society
with there obsession with germs is crazy. Things must of changed the
past few years if your finding feces & urine in the cab. I'd call that
not properly toilet trained. I've read it all now. Thank's I needed a
laugh.

Name: Union officials can take off
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 26 September 2011

How can I not get sick?  I work out in the rain and snow.  I freeze and
bake.  The 4 am dampness is not healthy.  Setting in an
non-aircondition engine soaked with sweat during a sunny 95 degree day
wears anyone down.   
 
   These engines are filthy and germy.  The toilet is ten feet from me
where it is cleaned only by hosing it down with a hose as its contents
run on the floor and splatters on the wall.  My coworkers do not wash
their hands due to lack of running water or laziness, touching
everything, tracking feces and urine throughout the engine.  The
previous crews may have contagious illness that alcohol wipes will not
kill. Did I metion the chemicals and smoke in this work environment. 
California says diesel smoke causes cancers.  How can I not get sick?
 
   And the PTI vans and the losers that drive them ...?  Oh the smell!
 
 CSX management does not care if I die at work or home.  1 day sick in
28 days?  What illnesses only last 24 hours or should I say until
midnight when the next calender day begins.  After midnight, its 2 days
sick and you will get a registered letter.  I am their slave on demand
24-7 as the union only wants my money to give to overpaid union bosses
living for socialism and not the employees.  Heaven help me if my
family gets sick also because CSX now breaks the fmla laws proudly. 
Striking only eliminates union income so the unions cannot do that. 
Stop blaming Reagan because the democrats wants us to keep on working
to give to union coffers to support them.

Name: Proudly! Ian A. Murphy
E-mail: ravensceo@ravenswoodinc.com
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 24 September 2011

First Amendment rights are invoked here.

I would like to thank the gentleman who commented on my last comments
graciously and with a bow. And once again, the crew that saved me from
the swamp that PTI sent me to after 7.5 hours of downtime and drive
time combined,..again a great big thank you!

Ohh, and a special thanks to the PTI or is it CSX RAT squad and Monty
Wheaton (812) 430-4450@14:00, gee so nice to know that you can count on
your fellow employees to back you up


From what I have discovered from the corporate culture of the chicken
crap express or should I say common sense excluded Corporation that
while they think that they're doing one thing correctly and there
doing nothing more than creating difficulties and hell for all persons
involved. As to the poor PTI drivers; most of your assumptions are
correct but there are a few exceptions. PTI does not give a damn about
their drivers at all in my professional and personal opinion.First
Amendment rights are invoked here! They really don't quite care so
long as those vehicles are running round the clock seven days a week
365 days a year just like the railroad and it seems just like me common
sense excluded Corporation. 

Could someone please explain to me why it is required that there be
zero accidents with the exception of the fact that corporate liability
would then come into play and the simple fact that corporate stupidity
is grossly evident by the suits who are hired out of college and have
no idea how to run a railroad. The railroad looks great on paper and
for the shareholders of which I am one. I do plan to be at that
shareholders meeting and I do plan on bringing other shareholders with
me and we will bring about change so that the employees have a say in
their pensions and their healthcare costs and other costs that they
must bear at this time. Please do remember something chicken shipped
express; it takes one person to start a revolution and I am that person
a will go ahead and start that revolution if I have to stand outside of
every one of your yards on public property and I will have full audio
and video surveillance with me at all times this way there is no
discrepancy in the reports. 

It is time that someone stands up for these guys and takes his stand
for them for they work hard and they are in danger every day because of
your corporate policies and the simple fact that not one hand knows what
the other hand is doing. Now I understand that none of use CSX employees
can go ahead and jeopardize your jobs for this; but since I do not have
to work; I can go ahead and stand outside of any yard and handout
company corporate shares (preferred and common)and other things such as
water, food, shares of stock and all will be courtesy of myself as a
gift to make sure that this does not occur again. The days of the
robber railroad barons are coming to a close very quickly and if
corporate security wishes to go ahead and start an investigation into
me why not call me and we can start playing games that way. I have a
background in Full military technical surveillance and countermeasures
background and the equipment to back it up. Got an OSCAR Green unit
there boys, how about a CPM700, Got a broom (NLJ Detector) got multiple
Spectrum Analyzers that goes from 0- to 300 GHz. Got Night vision, laser
grid detectors, got any of it? Got bugs, fiber wiretaps, got ways to
bypass spread-spectrum broadcasts. You have no clue! Nor do you have an
allowance to even start against me.  I am fully in support of CSX
employees, but management just pure sucks!  I don't think so and if so
I have the countermeasures to flood your spectrum's with light, RF and
Microwave to stop you while picking you up.  you have a background in
being a cinder dick as the saying goes. Don't worry I have high speed
very long-range telephoto lenses I can take pictures of anything I want
from anywhere I want and then of course there is Google Earth which by
the way if you notice one of your particular yards to have a strip club
near and and you can read the license plates on the cars in the strip
club which means that I can read the license plates on the cars in the
yards. Can you say electronic surveillance? Can you say satellite
surveillance? Can you say information warfare? Can you say you are far
beyond anything you ever dreamed of? I'll and by the way the joining a
union so that I will have full access to the properties so that I may
speak to various union members about their complaints. Have a nice day
corporate security; I used to work for people like you and I know what
sort of idiot you are. I'm out to help the workers you're out to
screw the workers along with the Board of Directors. And let me add
this I happened on over 100,000 shares of this railroad stock held in
trust funds and there's not a damn thing you can do about it except
maybe purchase me out. Remember what Gordon Gecko said: greed is good
taking them over is better.

And may the vote go forward and may you all succeed in shutting down
this this disgusting Corporation and its attitude and its management.

In addition I would like to bring to your attention that if you feel
that you are getting into any of the buses and you see that any of the
indicator lights are on then I would highly suggest that you not be bus
out of service. This way maybe PTI will get the message when so many
buses are taken out of service by crews that don't feel safe riding in
the death mobiles. I'm so glad that I found this website and I will be
buying the website master of beer, doughnuts and a meal at a five-star
restaurant with the finest line possible for he is continued efforts to
get the truth out. To that gentlemen I say bravo!

And if anyone in corporate security wants to try me just remember I
have better surveillance capabilities then you do and I am a
professional computer hacker. Got it! I know more about you than you
know about you. All I have to do is pick up a phone and tell them that
you're attacking me. Next time you should do your background checks a
little deeper and find out that I used to work in information warfare
and intelligence. Not some funky ex-cop who got hired on as a railroad
cinder dick looking for vagrants and the occasional box car broken
into. That's why they call it insurance have a nice day boys and to my
CSX brothers I say go for the strike and shut them down. But I expect
that the federal government will get an injunction to stop you and that
is a real shame. So maybe you should work by the rules, or if not don't
work by the rules and document, document, document everything you do.
Have a good day I hope you win.And just remember, I am on the boys
side, not eh corporate side. I see how stupid the corporate side is.
Bring it on! CSX can't run without employees and either can PTI. You
just screwed with the wrong person.Remember you are always under
surveillance. Or my corporate Motto: "Everyone is under surveillance
and Security; Who's watching you?" @copyright 1984 

And to the conductors and the IBLE nad the switchman and the yardmen,
if you see One little bitty thing wrong with a bus, yank it out of
service and watch PTI fix the things right. After all, rules are rules,
are they not??????

Go IBLE, GO UTU, Go any other union that can shut them down for at
least an hour; it will cost them millions!

And one other thing, I not some poor kid desperate for a job, I went
under cover to see just how bad it really is! And PTI, welcome to the
new Federal Whistle Blower Law! The new law went into effect in 08/2011

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 24 September 2011

LE 10-20

I was suggesting that the matter was for the LC to handle. It wasn't
critisism. If you've been on the railroad over 10 years then I'd
expect you to know CSX's tricks. They've been blocking days for
years. It isn't done locally CMC controls availability. It's
definitely systemwide. What needs to be done is the LC and possibly the
GC to get involved to put a stop to it. The quotas are negotiated by the
local unions. As you stated in your terminal it was 1 slot till
september I'm taking that it should of increased to 2 after the
summer. The issue I brought up is the second slot being available but
not showing up on the computer showing available. This became evident
when I would look up who has the PL or DL day scheduled finding only
one of the days was taken. CSX not showing the other available is a
smart idea but unethical.

Name: Proudly! Ian A. Murphy
E-mail: ravensceo@ravenswoodinc.com
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 23 September 2011

first off, I would like to thank the crew whose save me from the swamp
that PTI put me in, in the first place. PTI is nothing more than a
disgrace and a complete sham when it comes to driver training, driver
competency and the simple fact that their vehicles are mechanically
unsafe and unsound. PTI stands for nothing more than making a dollar
and has absolutely no clue as to what they put their drivers through.
The Tampa division has absolutely no leadership, no idea of what it's
doing, and does not care with the exception of getting out the drivers
to the crews stranded out in the middle of nowhere to rescue them while
they had to rescue me. Sending drivers out after sitting for six hours
of doing nothing and then to have them drive 1.5 hours to a location
that they have absolutely no idea where it is; and then to only by the
grace of what ever God being able to find a locomotive light on and
walking through a swamp area screaming CXS,CSX, What radio code? the
crew was kind enough to respond channel 84 and then informed me that
there were alligators and diamondback snakes and rattlesnakes in the
area that I was walking did not give me a comfortable feeling. I
frankly don't give a hoot if corporate security or the cinder "dick"
as railroad cops are known; (nothing more than glorified mall cops!)
Even think if they can think. I learned more in a few days from the
locomotive engineers and the conductors than I ever wish to know about
an operation such as this railroad and its insane policies.

Let us take for example the idiot train master or would it be the idiot
yard master who was complaining about the way my vehicle was parked 300
yards away from any other vehicle. At three o'clock in the morning he
comes out and sates what's wrong with this picture?
I see absolutely nothing wrong with the picture; but he seems to point
out that my vehicle was pointed in the wrong direction that it should
have been rear in and nose out, not the way it was parked. In addition
he was complaining that there was water dripping from the condensate
line from the air-conditioning of the vehicle, inferring there
could've been a slip and fall hazard. Well if someone is going to walk
over 300 yards over gravel and dirt and sand and proceed to slip and
fall then I would consider that to be grounds for stupidity. This
lamebrain at the same time while I watched multiple bags of 50 pound
ice bags being smashed at the front steps of the same building while
there was multiple puddles of water and ice cubes which could create a
slip and fall hazard was not addressed by this complete and total
moron. Yes I was told that there are no addresses or names or
physicality or GPS coordinates or latitude or longitude coordinates for
any of these yards but it does seem interesting that Google Earth seems
to have all this information available on the touch of a tablet,
laptop, iPad, Annie's form of intelligent device that is able to
access Google Earth. My deepest sympathies to both the CSX employees
and to the PTI pasts current and future employees. Please be made aware
that I personally will be filing a federal whistleblower lawsuit against
CSX and PTI and made corporate security who have visited this website
for well over 19,000 times enjoy the fact that I used to be a corporate
security officer myself and not some mall cop. Yes you are a bunch of
retired feds and other lower life forms of law and tried to get a job
in the corporate world to supplement your income. To bad for you that
you chose Csx for your place of employment. It seems that they will
hire anyone to become a railroad cop let alone a yard master or a train
master. And if you don't like my opinion then please look up the First
Amendment.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 23 September 2011

i wasnt coming on here to complain , but just checking on here to see if
this is a problem system wide or just a local problem.all the days are
blocked, they are not taken. they were alotting us 1 per day.up to the
first week of september,they were in there.the local chairman already
knows about the problem and says its in the laps of the general
commitee.so its in the unions hands and has been for 2 weeks now with
no results.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 23 September 2011

CSX has been trying to block out DL & PL days on weekends for years. Go
to your LC to get it corrected. CSX has to allow the quota that has
been established wether it's one or two slots per day. That's what we
had to do. It doesn't do any good to complain on this site. There are
remedies. Are you sure that someone else hadn't already taken those
days? One issue if two days were authorized an only one was requested
the other wouldn't show up to be able to take on the computer. Calling
CMC didn't always help to correct it. That's when trying to get the LC
became necessary. The other trouble another co-worker blocking the day
then if it turned out they were going to off any ways they would recind
the request but it wouldn't show back up on the screen. I think they
corrected that one by locking in the day 48 hours before to prevent it
from happening.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 22 September 2011

has anyone in any other terminal or division have there daily vacation
days blocked out like on the albany division? jacksonville blocked them
out due to a "man power shortage". i was under the impression that i
was allowed to take 1 week of daily vacation days under the terms of
the contract.as far as i know there is no small print in there stating
as "there must be sufficent man power to take vacation days". i guess
csx makes up there own rules that seems to suit there needs and wont
honor agreements they sign. its in the union hands and im not getting
my hopes up they will fix the problem! or maybe they will , like they
took care of this absentee policy!!! im sure they will go after
personal days next and the union will let them get away with it without
a fight as they normaly do. wow i thougt it couldnt get worse, i guess i
was wrong!!!!

Name: Did U Read Reply
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 21 September 2011

Did you all read the great article about CSX in this past issue of
TRAINS Magazine? 
MAYBE CSX PAID THEM TO RUN IT OR SOMEONE CALLED IN A FAVOR. 

WHY THE HECK ARE YOU POSTING ON HERE ?   TO SUCK UP ???????   -50
POINTS    YOU FAIL!!!!!

Sure seems like a company thats  (punctuation -1)moving for the
better.
Micheal(spelling deduction -2) Ward is doing a great job running the
company.  
HE HAS DONE SOMETHINGS BETTER THAN OTHERS BEFORE HIM BUT HE HIRED THE
NAZI CRIMINALS TO RUN TRANSPORTATION FIRE OLD EMPLOYEES HIRE NEW ONES
AT 80 PERCENT AND FIRE THEM TOO KEEP EVERYONE IN FEAR OF YOUR JOB. 
HIRE YES MANAGERS WHO KNOW NOTHING BUT WILL DO ANYTHING TO KEEP THEIR
JOB AND GIVE THEM A CARROT UPPER MANAGEMENT CAN STEAL THE BIG BONUSES
AND TAKE CREDIT FOR WORKING THE DOG SHIT OUT OF EVERYONE ELSE. 

So why the need for such a negetive (spelling deduction -2) website?

BECAUSE THIS NAZI OUTFIT HAS FUCKED OVER SO MANY PEOPLE AND RUN A
UNSAFE OPERATION THAT LIES AND COVERS UP ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING.  IT
IS FRAUD AND CORRUPTION.

NOW YOU KNOW WHY CSX-SUCKS.COM EXISTS.   YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME BALLS TO
POST ON THIS SITE TOO. CSX MANAGERS RUN THEIR OPERATIONS BY READING POST
ON HERE.   THEY FEAR SOMEONE TO WRITE ANYTHING ABOUT THEM SINCE
JACKSONVILLE KEEPS TABS ON EVERY POST ON HERE.

Name: Did you read?
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 21 September 2011

Did you all read the great article about CSX in this past issue of
TRAINS Magazine? Sure seems like a company thats moving for the better.
Micheal Ward is doing a great job running the company. So why the need
for such a negetive website?

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 September 2011

The unwritten rule was go to work sick recuperate in lodging. Don't
waste marking off sick on really being sick.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 21 September 2011

i know when i m sick and a potential danger to myself and others if i
work.    why should i be disciplined under those circumstances?   that
shouldnt mean i should have to run to a doctor to get an  "excuse"   
 

 ever had the flu and not go to a doctor? feel like going to work under
those conditions?  

by the way, i take a flu shot at the v a hospital.   i dont want to get
sick or miss work, but guess what, "s**t happens"

we lose pay when we don t work.   that's incentive enough for any self
respecting t & e employee to do the right thing.

what is management's attendance policy in jacksonville?  being
salaried employees do they lose pay when they miss a few days sick? 
HELL NO!

csx should look at attendance over a period of time, say a year, for
patterns of conduct (it might find that some abuse attendance, but that
others have legitimate reasons that a SKILLED HR employee sould  be able
to review and understand).  they should not threaten you as they do now
for more than one day a month.

and what about us older guys?  we work good but are more subject to
aches, pains, and illnesses than younger men.  no consideration here
either.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 20 September 2011

it's maYbe,,, MAYBE MAyBE..MAYBE

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 20 September 2011

NoMo

Most of the TM's 85% when I left were hired off the street the few
that came out of the crafts had mabey one year in service before
crossing over to the darkside. RFE's are the only ones in management
that have to come out of the crafts and be FRA certified. I'm not sure
but I seem to recall they had to have at least 3 years as a working
engineer. The UTU might like to cross the picket lines but they can't.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 20 September 2011

Hey RRJ:

I guess it was back in '01, I remember all the RFEs and TMs qualifying
or re-qualifying on the NO&M, M&M, PD and PA. Back in that day 90% of
the TMs came from the crafts and 60% of those were LEs.

I may be wrong but I don't think it's like that anymore. If for no
other reason, showing CSX how vulnerable the business is due to their 
hiring practices, might make a short strike worth it.

I would hope the UTU would honor the picket lines but recent history 
tells me they have their own agenda...I wouldn't trust them further
than I could throw them!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 20 September 2011

NoMo

They'll honor the picket lines. A lot of good it would do to cross
them road trains couldn't go anywhere. Even an engineer in the UTU-E
falls under the BLEt contract. Management placed at the helm of a train
is hysterical. I've seen it before tearing up trains all over the place
not knowing how to work an industry ect...About 5-6 years ago Dominion
Virginia Power was on strike we took the train to place at the power
plant to the picket lines and got off refusing to cross. The strikers
cheered. The RFE & 3 TM's got onboard to place the coal. A job that
would of taken an hour took them 4 1/2. When they came back light for
us to go back pick up the other half of the train when we got back the
RFE was white as a sheet. He told me to tell the strikers he was
alright apparently they threatened to kick his arse. lol. Heck we had a
good time the strikers fed us some good BBQ gave us hats & t-shirts.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 19 September 2011

I just wonder if the UTU will honor the picket lines if there should be
a strike?

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 19 September 2011

The UTU has already settled with the NCCC. The issue with the other 11
unions they're not buying into a UTU pattern contract the carriers are
trying to force on them. UTU has always been the first ones to settle
that's been going on for decades. When the BLE went on strike in 1982
the UTU already settled their contract. The BLE's punishment for
striking when thing were done we didn't get personal leave days like
the UTU. It took another 15 years before we got PL days. In Jan 1983
the only time I ever got cut back to a trainmen I worked one trip then
asked the TM seeing I'm cut back if I was eligible for trainmen PL
days he told me why not so he gave me all 7 days. After they were used
up the next week I was marked back up as a locomotive firemen.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 19 September 2011

The UTU has already shown there true colors.  They aren't looking out
for our best interest, they just keep passing on the same line...."Its
a good deal"!

Company's posting record profits & the UTU continues to sell out the
membership.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 19 September 2011

Hey RRJ:

What's even more interesting is the UTU stance on this matter. The
wedge may get driven even deeper!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 19 September 2011

Those LE's on CSX would only be striking over healthcare. The SSA took
care of anything else. The NCCC had offered the 11 unions a freeze on
healthcare premiums. This won't affect other issues like attendance
policies ect...Article I read last week Obama most likely was going to
appoint the PEB by Oct 7th. It'll become a matter of politics. After
the fray in Wisconsin a lot of people in this country hate unions.
Public sentiment before an election year. Hopefully Obama doesn't cave
in. You never know last good BLE strike was in 1982 under Raygun. We
were out for 4 days before Raygun ordered us back to work. It's
strange times we are living in.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 18 September 2011

ITS ABOUT TIME!!!!!!!

	BLET to hold strike authorization vote

CLEVELAND, September 16 — In a conference call held with all BLET
General Chairmen yesterday morning, National President Dennis R. Pierce
announced that preparations are underway to poll members to authorize a
strike in the event one becomes necessary to attain the Organization’s
bargaining goals.

The National Mediation Board released the BLET and several other Rail
Labor unions from mediation with rail carriers on September 6,
triggering a 30-day cooling off period, which expires at 12:01 a.m.
Eastern Daylight Time on October 7, 2011. At that point self-help is
available to the parties, unless President Obama appoints a
Presidential Emergency Board (PEB) pursuant to Section 10 of the
Railway Labor Act. A PEB would halt any strike or lock out by the
parties, and would investigate and issue a report and recommendations
concerning the dispute.

BLET members who are employed on the railroads where the dispute exists
and where the BLET has representation rights for their craft are
eligible to participate in the strike authorization vote. The following
members may participate in the vote:

• All active locomotive engineers, except company officers, employed by
the Belt Railway Company of Chicago.
• All active locomotive engineers, except company officers, employed by
BNSF Railway.
• All active locomotive engineers, except company officers, employed by
Consolidated Rail Corporation.
• All active locomotive engineers, except company officers, employed by
CSX Transportation.
• All active locomotive engineers, except company officers, employed by
the Indiana Harbor Belt Railroad Company.
• All active locomotive engineers, except company officers, employed by
Kansas City Southern Railway Company, including the following
subsidiaries: Kansas City Southern Railway; Louisiana and Arkansas
Railway; MidSouth Rail Corporation; Gateway Western Railway; SouthRail
Corporation; and Texas Mexican Railway Company (locomotive engineers
and train service employees).
• All active locomotive engineers, except company officers, employed by
Longview Switching Company.
• All active locomotive engineers, except company officers, employed by
Norfolk Southern Company.
• All active locomotive engineers, except company officers, employed by
Portland Terminal Railroad Company.
• All active locomotive engineers, except company officers, employed by
Soo Line Railroad Company d.b.a. Canadian Pacific.
• All active locomotive engineers, except company officers, employed by
Union Pacific Railroad Company.
• All active locomotive engineers, except company officers, employed by
Winston Salem Southbound Railway Company.

Beginning early next week, these members will receive a mailing from
TrueBallot with toll-free voting instructions. Voting will begin at
11:00 a.m. EDT on Tuesday, September 20, and members will have until
10:00 a.m. EDT on Monday, October 3 to cast their votes. Authorization
does not mean a strike will occur, nor does it mean that all railroads
polled may be struck.

The BLET National Division has retained TrueBallot, Inc., to conduct
the strike authorization vote via telephone. TrueBallot, which is a
nationally-renowned election service provider, previously conducted a
membership initiative election for the BLET in 2010.

National President Pierce urged all BLET members who receive a notice
from TrueBallot to vote. “While we anticipate that President Obama will
appoint a Presidential Emergency Board near the deadline, we must be
prepared for all eventualities,” he said. “Now is the time for all BLET
members to deliver a unified message to the carriers that we will not
stand for shifting health care costs to the backs of older and sick
workers and families with children, and that our wage increases should
better reflect our members’ contributions to the industry’s record
profits.”

Name: cd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 17 September 2011

no good fat ass lc lays off union on a Saturday after being on vacation
for 2 weeks causes me to be pulled off my job to fill his

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 15 September 2011

It's definitely changed out there these days. 3-4 years ago trying to
get FMLA was nearly impossible. You could get a doctor to complete the
forms but CSX medical department had to approve it. I know that first
hand I was denied it by CSX in 2007. The FMLA request application was
to be able to help my Mom after she became ill She resided 600 miles
from me. Apparently today the culprit has to be U.S Labor Department.
They would of had to recieve complaints from CSX employees being denied
FMLA which would of led then to an investigate.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 14 September 2011

What bothers me about the attendance policy is all these people on FMLA
that misses 10x the work I do. I get sick and miss 2 days in a month
and I got a letter. What makes it worse is when you have personal
things you need to get done at home and can't get a Personal Business.
CSX has you by the balls with this attendance policy. I had a family
emergency and ask for a PB day. I took a sick day 21 days ago. I
explained to the crew caller the situation I was in. He showed no
sympathy for me and told me I need to do what I needed to do. This will
make the 2nd letter for me and I've missed a total of 5 days the last 7
months. Only days I get off is when I catch the Federal Mand. days and
that is rare. 
Makes me sick when I see guys laying off FMLA for 2-4 days and even
weeks at a time and not get anything. The attendance policy is actually
hurting people that work and can't get FMLA because all the lazy people
who take off every weekend is still taking off with FMLA.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 11 September 2011

The UP came up with an agreement that furloughed employees could be
placed on a furlough retention board it gaurenteed $2000 a month which
kept their benefits intact. They would be on call for two weeks out of
the month for work. The other two weeks they could collect RRB
unemployment or work elsewhere. CSX wanted to establish a similiar
program not sure why it never panned out. It only would benefit those
already marked up promoted. The UP along with the other railroads had
to suspend hiring during that time period. UP still has people
furloughed in some areas in the southwest. They aren't doing a lot of
hiring neither is the NS. The two class 1's railroads hiring are the
BNSF & CSX. The one area the UP is hiring which apparently they can't
get a lot of takers is in Wyoming.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 11 September 2011

slack action

Having met Ballentine and with everything you've described. I'm sure
she played the race card with CSX being forced off the desk then
demanding a promotion. I don't like using that as an accusation but in
her case I'll make an exception. Witnessing first hand her personality
she's capable of anything.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 10 September 2011

RRJ,

As I recall the UP kept everyone during the 08 debaggle. I am not sure
of the particulars.
CSX sent them home.

Name: slack action
E-mail: 
Employed as: M of W, for 10-20 years
Posted: 10 September 2011

RRJ:  Miss Ballentine worked the WA side ( the old AI job).  She was
then restricted to work the Baltimore Chief job because she could not
dispatch.  She pushed and pushed for a promotion, so they finally
promoted her in crew mgt just to get her out of the dispatching center
before she hurt somebody. She was a real piece of work, as you well
know.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 09 September 2011

ooh323

The railroads wouldn't be in this fix being short handed if the
recession of 2008 hadn't occured. Railroads had to stop training by
early 2009 the new hires were let go most never came back on a recall.
I remember when local management had to call all the trainees on OJT in
to turn in their gear their services were no longer needed. Should CSX
have allowed them to finish training? Most definitely. Not that it
would of done any good but it would of at least allowed them to
establish a promotion date of conductor seniority. The railroads have
had to rehire & train since. CSX this year alone hired over 4000 people
so far with hopefully another 500 by years end. The other railroads are
in the same mess.

Name: ooh323
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 09 September 2011

Shippers cite lack of train crews in deteriorating rail service 
(Source: Journal of Commerce, September 8, 2011)

WASHINGTON, D.C. — Rail service has slipped because of bad weather and
cost-cutting that have left railroads without enough train crews to
operate trains or switch railcars frequently, shippers told an
investment bank conference on Wednesday.

According to the Journal of Commerce, railroads trimmed workforces
during the recession and haven’t restored crews quickly enough. 


It's just a matter of time and all TE will blamed for this.   We know
where the problem is.  

It's past time to strike we have guys getting fired for attendance
that live out here.

We point no fingers at the local level for the most part we have some
great men and women but the international is a freaken joke take my
money play golf with the carriers and need another 35bucks to move
thats a lot of money to move sounds like your lining your po ckets

Name: CorrUPtion Blogger
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 09 September 2011

A strike at least 2 days could seriously disrupt Railroad operations and
could restore a "little" credibility in--international, general, and
local leadership. The recently ratified UTU agreement is nothing but
comparing apples to oranges over healthcare cost. 
The healthcare cost could easily be absorb by the 20-fold pay increases
to Railroad executives over the past few years when wages were going in
opposite directions. 

The membership got looted of leadership during the times of
international (from both unions) indiscretions and the carriers took
advantage of that and now the carriers is taking advantage of the
current political leadership crisis.

Once again:
The combined accumulated wealth of the top CEO's is over 1 BILLION
DOLLARS. Why can't that be exploited when negotiating a contract?
That's enough money to pay for all the employee contributions for the
next 30 years.
TE&Y members working in a demanding hazardous environment of train
operations should be compensated--not degraded as a normal occupational
hazard!

Use your unique skills as leverage; not as a submission to Robber 
Barons!

May God bless the family of the conductor killed in a switching
accident reported today by: UTU.org.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 09 September 2011

Striking might become a reality. Still along way to go with cooling off
periods. Obama could establish a PEB or let congress force the
contract. Still to many "ifs". It has nothing to do with anything but
cost of healthcare increases. It doesn't address any other concerns.
Most class 1's with the exception of the UP that might have changed
have on-property contract agreements. I don't understand why
healthcare is the only national agenda left that too could of been
included in an on-property. I guess the national feels they have to do
something for their wages.

Name: Joe T. Plummer
E-mail: rrstrike.com
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 09 September 2011

Imminent strike looming for at least one day....In the mean time; take
all pit stops needed for personal health! Bring back the good old days
of unity and trumping greed!

Name: CorrUPtion Blogger
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 08 September 2011

Lay-Off restrictions: A "day" constitute a 24 hour continuous time
period....If your union allows that to be cut in half; you need
stronger leadership. Lay-off issues seems to be the prevailing problems
for most of the complainers. You all are pissing in the wind if you
don't change leadership. One less hired American is an additional
thousands into the pockets of the Robber Barons!

America is a great country with doctors and lawyers on both sides of
the isle!

Name: 0za178
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 1-10 years
Posted: 07 September 2011

RRJ

you're right thats what happened

like i said i like my job but something needs to change. i cant imagine
losing my job out over attendance when i live out here but i guess it
can happen

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 07 September 2011

You must of crossed over into another calender day with the 17 hrs. Read
the fine print. CSX considers it 2 days. I don't get it but found out
the difficult way that they consider a day within the confines of
0001-2359. If you marked off at 1700 but didn't mark back up till 1000
the next morning it's consider two days unavailable it's not based on
hours.

Name: 0za178
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 1-10 years
Posted: 06 September 2011

got a letter today in the mail.  i was off a total of 17hrs sick in a 28
day period i had over 20 starts other than the 17hrs off  worked part of
every day or was in a hotel no off day, no off fmla, no union off, no
company off, no pb off

i like my job i like the money but this is out of control 

no one with a brain would think this is right

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 06 September 2011

slack action

Ballentine was a TD? I couldn't imagine that one. She definitely
isn't a people person. When we had our heated discussion she mentioned
a conductor whose wife passed away he had 3 small children. He had been
off work around 20 days and she was sending out a registered letter
under the attendance policy for taking to much time off. That's when I
hit the roof told her she spouts this Christian BS but apparently
hasn't a clue to it's meaning. It didn't surprise me in 2006
especially 2007 when my Mom became ill I was traveling 600 miles one
way to take care of her needs. In 2007 I had 5 registered letters from
her on attendance after I exhausted my vacation & PL days. Lucky the
BLE LC & RFE stopped 4 of them under the circumstances but on the 5th I
said screw it and took overhead for 6 months. When my Mom passed away
later that year I was off 8 days Ballentine stated that was excessive.
I hit the roof again explaining travel time, making funeral
arrangements ect....it didn't phase her. She haven't a clue or a
heart.

Name: slack action
E-mail: 
Employed as: M of W, for 10-20 years
Posted: 06 September 2011

RRJ: You think Miss Linda Ballentine is a piece of work now, you should
have seen her when she was a train dispr.  Her famous saying was "I
can't take that train."

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 20-30 years
Posted: 06 September 2011

Any normal person hate this Nazi Brownshirt management.   Brown keeps
the pressure on everyone more than Ingram.   It is true 
Davey" Inventor of the NS Shitbag on the Nazi Southern" is worst and
needs to go NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ward should go down with him and clean this shithole out.

Who is next to be fired, killed or injured on the CHicken Coop
Express.




Fedup with Nazi Brownshirt Management

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 06 September 2011

That's right screw the hand that feeds you. With the way the economy is
going I'd be working everything putting a lot in savings. Scary times
right now. Short handed? Why? Websites like Railroad.net employment
forum CSX is hiring like crazy. REDI is running at full capacity.
Conductor, trackmen, signal maintainers ect...all are training. CSX has
hired over 4000 people this year with another 500 waiting for a start
date. Unless the economy improves I hope it doesn't end up like
2008-2009 with massive furloughs. Then CSX has to go thru hiring all
over again. It's not entirely CSX fault. The attendance problem
that's baffling the unions need to get up off their arses. There are
problem people that should be getting letters others shouldn't. It
should be based on the individual but CSX took control out of local
management hands and left it up to one person in the CMC building in
JAX. It use to be Ballentine I don't think she's in that position
anymore. I met her in 2008 while setting up the implementation of the
BLE bid system for my division. She was a piece of work. We got into a
shouting match. She went totally by CSX guidelines no deviation. If
your letter was just a warning then don't worry about it. Friends with
over 30+ years are getting the same.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 06 September 2011

I work my ass off, always have, and never abused my attendance since
working for CSX.  Now I receive a letter stating that I am in violation
of the attendance policy for marking off 1 1/2 days.

I HATE THIS COMPANY!  I'm also getting sick of hearing upper
management ask "Whats the problem with the employees & the morale?"

We have been short handed all year because these idiots didn't hire
enough people, now we are to blame?

My advice to people is to screw this company every chance you get!  

Remember, they aren't your friend!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 06 September 2011

Spongebob

Tell me it isn't so. You're complaining about people getting time off
no matter which way they do it. Requirements for FMLA must of gotten
soft since I retired. 4-5 years ago it was difficult to get an
application approved. Is it that big of a problem? It always had the
potential to be one. I only knew one person to abuse it. His wife had
MS he applied got it but she didn't even know about it. He was taking
off every weekend told his wife he was on a work train. No one cared
back then coal business was slow. I guess if you had 9-10+ people like
him it would be a problem. It puts the burden on everyone else with
exhausted extra boards then CMC calls to find/force people to run up
ect...

Name: CorrUPtion Blogger
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 04 September 2011

"Labor Day" should be change to "Corporation Day." Infowars.com

Name: spongebob
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 03 September 2011

It's about time CSX started cracking down on FMLA layoffs.  Granted
there is a lot of employees who really have a need for this policy, but
there is also a lot of abuse going on.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 02 September 2011

Well, you hurt my feelings. I was going to let you shine my shoes but
forget it. Keep crying you took the job knowing the situation. Go work
a remote job then you'll get double time and a half on the holiday.
Working straight time had been around before I ever hired on. You
wouldn't know that would you. As for the union I can gaurentee you've
only been to one or two meetings clueless on everything. I was a BLE
union officer as a VLC for much of my career. Attended every meeting if
I wasn't working. You're right quit!!! Walmart is hiring. Can you say
"do you want to super size that order?". lol. Keep working paying
into RRB I like that retirement check every first of the month. You
don't get it.

Name: lovenit
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 02 September 2011

It's Friday I'm in the hotel, it's labor day weekend. I'll work
today for regular pay. I'll work Saturday for regular pay..  I'll
work Sunday for regular pay. I'll get to work Labor day for regular
pay.  O yeah its a union job. 

RRJ 
I know I know I cant quit no ones holding a gun to my head. Wal-mart,
taco bell, mcdonalds, the blood bank, they're hiring..
Men like you with that mentaliy has killed the real union men.  I find
it hard to believe you worked out here for 30yrs you must have been a
safety sucker.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 02 September 2011

Cond 1-10

Of course CSX is going to thin out the gaurentee extra boards if they
start paying out. It's been going on since they were established. The
BLET LC goes thru fights with local management all the time for not
enough people. CSX loves nothing more than cutting engineers back then
forcing them to work as engineers. When things get slow a lot of
oldheads jump on the boards work a couple days a half and collect.
Non-gauretee boards is what we started out on back in the '70s & '80s
it was "feast or famine" you're not going thru anything we haven't
experienced. I worked places in Ohio back in the '70s that didn't
have reverse lodging agreements lost money trying to keep a job paying
my own expenses. This was before CSX when it was Chessie System and
working for the C&O. The railroad hasn't changed much it's always
been a struggle. The biggest difference today is reduced crews no one
starts out as a brakemen or firemen anymore to have someone show them
the ropes over the fisrt couple of years.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 01 September 2011

Guarantee is only paid to Rooster Fishers and Favorite Pets.   Sometimes
you might luck out and collect but there is always a Rooster Fisher on
the other end of the computer to deny anything they can to get their
little carrot on the stick bonus.  

As Always CSX Rooster Fish Company Policy

Name: CSX
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 01 September 2011

RRJ

While csx does have guarantee boards they are mostly crap. The daily
guarantee boards they will deny your guarantee being marked up and
available 1 day per week (give back day). Basically they will cut the
board thin enough you will only draw atleast 1 maybe 2 days per week if
it slows down. Work on another subdivision that doesn't have a
guarantee board. So basically when it slows down your stuck in a damn
hotel 2-3 days a week and not making anything. So its basically pick
your poison where I work. You can go to a guarantee board and they will
take it away from you or you can get on a non guarantee board and risk
making no money. Not to mention marking off 2 weekdays a month and
getting a letter from the company. I would love to have the 5 weekdays,
2 weekend days off a month. That is a great policy compared to the crap
we have.

Name: mule
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 31 August 2011

csx is raising hell about the 50% increase on fmla lay off in the last
year  

wonder what brought that on sn 108 maybe
 
im an uneducated basterd but these guys running this place need to be
fired

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 August 2011

I want to thank the webmaster for finally getting rid of William. At
least I hope he has been banned from this site. I don't care if people
don't want to read my post but he was becoming annoying without ever
posting anything other than his trash. We need more fouled mouth people
banned that don't contribute. Those people make CSX employees look
foolish.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 August 2011

APE 

Thank's for the correction. One must learn something new everyday even
though I knew it already that's what happens when you don't proof
read. Glad to see you might be smart enough to actually read a contract
plus the work agreements things you're voting on in a proposed contract
ect...others they just look at the $$$$. Then when they find out what
they lost to get that increase they want to cry over spilled milk. The
other issue the unions like national voting thinks it's a great
turnout when 50%-60% vote. Imagine that only up to 60% vote on
contracts. Where's the other 40%? They don't have a right to complain
if they felt they got screwed. They'll never admit they didn't vote.
That would make them look stupid. Union meetings went to this months
meeting it had been 18 months since the last time I'm retired. The
same 10-12 people were at the meeting. Heck they voted on at least 4
local agreement changes so 10-12 people changed it for everyone else.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 26 August 2011

Isnt it nice working weekends for straight pay,  our union fore fathers,
would roll in their grave if they knew it had came to this.  Way to go
CSX, you have beaten the unions.

Name: .
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 26 August 2011

The is no such word as "mabey".  The word is spelled " maYbe" and
pronounced as may'bee  not mab'bee.  Just some food for thought.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 26 August 2011

I figured it out William you don't work for CSX. You're that little
kid that post on here every now and then. I pretty much already knew
that within minutes of any of my post on this attendance thread there
you go with "YO a bitch". lmfao. Stay in school sonny if you aren't
already a dropout with your current education level McDonalds or Taco
Bell wouldn't even hire you to mop & clean toilets. 

It's unusual for me to be on here this time a day mostly I'm only on
in the early morning today it's checking on Hurricane Irene.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 26 August 2011

Poor Poor Pitiful Babies!!! Cond 30+ I'm retired from CSX moron.
Vietnam Vet I doubt it mabey Vietnam Era Vet. I'm a Vietnam Combat
Veteran. I served in the U.S Marine Corps in the thick of it served
proudly 1971-1974. Sonny. Being that Veteran got me my job on the
railroad. I would think someone with 30 years out here would have some
brains but you have shown otherwise dumb is dumb. Everything I wrote
was correct you should know that if you actually are a 30 year
railroader. I earned my right to post on this site. At one time it was
informational but times have changed now it's just a bunch of whiners
that haven't got a clue. Besides I bet none of you have ever sent the
webmaster a dime. Every now and then I do give him money to keep this
site open. So, in essence I got more rights on here then any of you.
It's a good site to bad there's always idiots in the bunch. That's
especially true for "YO William" still trying to figure out what it
means. Go back to school. Not get your dumb arses back to work. I'll
glad to sit at home every first of the month RRB deposits my check and
it's a wonderful life.

Name: 00h323
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 26 August 2011

We may not be able to strike but everyone could get a stomach virus on
the same day. RRJ YO A BITCH. I would think RRJ you could use a few
days off to let those knees of yours heel

Name: CorrUPtion Blogger
E-mail: ill gotten gains
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 26 August 2011

Accumulated wealth of top Railroad Executives:

James A. Young...$500,000,000.00 = shares held at 554,209

Do the math on the following...need more interaction from viewers.

Michael J. Ward...252,675 shares

Charles W Moorman...206,382 shares 

Matthew K. Rose...(BNSF) private company but estimated wealth
$200,000,000.00

Sorry for the ones not listed! They haven't reached the
$100,000,000.00 yet!

Majority of the wealth was accumulated during the last decade while
trying to maintain "deregulation."

How many friends do you have furloughed and have lost jobs to
sub-contractors at the CEO's expense? Si!

Source: Yahoo Finance (company symbol) "Insider Roster."

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 26 August 2011

There we go two prime examples of stupidity. More to come I'm sure.
Ungrateful little kids never learned to become men mostly never will.
Go home to mommy mabey she'll give you a tit to suck on.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 26 August 2011

Oza123

Read your own statement about BNSF it states 5 week days 2 weekend days
a month if no assigned rest days. You people blame the union but this
all came about so extra boards could have gaurentees. NS has a strict
attendance policy but they don't have gaurentees. That makes CSX a
better place to work. Local strike never happen. It's against federal
law under the Railway Labor Act. The media why would they care there's
no story when some disgruntled railroaders making more money than two
families put together complain because they work to much when 20
million are without jobs. I think the railroad needs to be like it was
30+ years ago furlough low seniority employees every year for around
3-5 months the first 3-10 years let them appreciate what they have let
them starve for a while seems to many are unappreciative of how
fortunate they are to have a job and work for the railroad. The other
option quit. You people even have perks with stock if you maintain the
attendance policy which I was at this months union meeting and their
increasing it to 60 shares. Let's not forget yearly up to 12%
productivity bonuses on top of a job that pays $60,000-$130,000 a year
for someone without an eduction. Railroaders never had a life it
hasn't changed only thing that has is the charector of those hired.

Name: evans
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 25 August 2011

00h323

You're right I believe a lot of men feel this way..  We need to stick
this policy up Pete's ass..   I think most would strike in some form
or another.  The Indiana boys are sick of this shit.

Name: 00h323
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 25 August 2011

We are the union. Its up to us to do something about this availability
policy. Its obvious the national isnt doing anything they have had a
year to get this changed. We need to organize at the local level and
shut the railroad down. Then we may get a better policy.

Name: 0za123
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 20-30 years
Posted: 25 August 2011

"Here is how things work on BNSF... You will not be allowed additional
time off while in training, unless there is some unforeseen emergency.
Once marked up, you will be subject to attendance policy. If you work
the extra board without assigned days off, you can mark off 5 week days
and 2 weekend days per month. In other words, you will have no problem
getting 2 days off."

HOLY COW !!!! That sounds incredible. I can't believe BNSF has that
policy. That has got to be the envy of every NS and CSX employee from
what I've read. 5 week days and 2 weekend days per month !!! Boy I was
hoping maybe NS would have something like 3 maybe 4 days total one could
mark off. That's incredible from everything I've read. I guess that's
why it's so hard to find anyone posting anything negative about working
for BNSF. I still can't believe that monthly policy.

csx does suck   and our union sucks worse for putting up with
attendance policy

Name: CorrUPtion Blogger
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 23 August 2011

"Intimidated no more; Libyans (Americans) end Gaddafi's (Corporate
America's) rule!" Media

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 22 August 2011

when cell phones got banned? the dispatching went to hell! you figure it
out yet? rotflmao! its not in Chicago budget to run things right!
 they cant take care of their  own? much less look out for all the
crews coming into Chicago? it might affect their bonus? cabs yup the
kids are still waiting up to  90 minutes for a ride? not in all cases!


so? when ya get stickman? go restricted speed a  very safe speed at all
times okay? get it? slow is safe? safe is good! watch out when doubling
up in cabs! its your ass in court if ya get in an accident? especially
if four or more are in the cab !  SO  KEEP DOING FAVORS , SCREW
YOURSELF AND YOUR FELLOW MAN? STAY BUDDY BUDDY WITH THE BOSSES? KEEP
THAT BONUS GOING INTO THEIR POCKETS?

Name: Bubba
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 22 August 2011

Litle  rRj

u besst not poste on hear agian u wont gettin nonen

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 22 August 2011

Let's see here we have William & the fake me. Then people wonder why
CSX treats their employees like little children those two are fine
examples. This week there's a CSX retirees reunion with Mike Ward
present. I've got the right question for him why not institute "time
outs" seeing these young boys might understand it. Mabey a "sniveling
& dribbling room" that might work. If ya'll want to be treated like
children then CSX should go for it.

Name: CorrUPtion Blogger
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 22 August 2011

Corporate CEO's....Be a patriot! Give-up your ill-gotten gains through
fraud, deceit, union payoffs, lobbying politicians, corporate welfare,
and greed. A "democracy" as we know it; cannot sustain such corporate
malfeasance and expect to survive!  

"Ten million dollars is better in the hands of 100 Americans than 1
corporate CEO." Ralph Nader

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 August 2011

My boyfriend said I can't post on here..  Nice to meet all of you I'm
signing off..

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 20 August 2011

Slack you did a fine job. People need to hear the truth. If someone
doesn't like it leave. Some people feel they're owed more than a
paycheck.  

Lloyd stated this site for venting? I haven't read a serious gripe on
here in a while. Lloyd wonders why someone hasn't gone postal and
started shooting the place up. After going to a union meeting earlier
this month there was one individual that could meet that criteria. He
snivled and whined about how he couldn't stand it that he had no time
at home I thought he was going to break down and cry. I told him he has
an option "QUIT" no one forced anyone into this lifestyle there free
to leave anytime they want quit acting like a baby. He babbled on about
his nerves being shot some bullschidt like that I lost interest. It's
taking responsibility for your own self. They can blame CSX. taco bell,
mcdonalds. pizza hut ect....some people are never going to be content.

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 20 August 2011

Hey Slack, don't be the second coming of RRJ.  The fact that there are
other jobs out there or the phrase "you should be lucky you have this
job" are very played out.  I'm fairly certain most of the guys who
work for CSX are thankful they have the benefits and pay they get but
are also sick and tired of the intimidation, fear tactics, and work
schedule they have.  Also, if all a man has is this site to vent on
then by all means, I'd rather read his bullshit here than read about
him shooting innocent victims because this company drove him off the
edge.  Hell, everyone I talk to anymore just wonders when someone is
gonna snap out here and I know its just a matter of time.  God help us
all when it happens thats all I have to say because innocent people
will die.

Name: evans
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 18 August 2011

Pete has all those girls on their knees.  Someone needs to drop a dime
to ethics.  You didn't know Pete was a flaming homo?

Name: 00h323
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 17 August 2011

Hey evans, what do u mean the rfm got promoted the hard way?

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 17 August 2011

Hey RRJ:

The shotgun maybe loaded and cocked!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 17 August 2011

Definitely an unplanned wedding. Your future hubby could of submitted
his vacation request earlier this year if had ample time then when the
vacation list came out the plans could of been made. What is the rush?
If he still has 2 weeks vacation left then there's at least two
confirmed dates for a wedding.

Name: evans
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 16 August 2011

Pete was in town the new rfm got promoted the hard way

Name: slack action
E-mail: 
Employed as: M of W, for 10-20 years
Posted: 15 August 2011

To pissed off wife to be:

I suggest if you do not like your huband " To be "  work conditions I
would tell him to quit.  Get a job at McDonalds or Walmart, they will
give him the time off./  Facts  are: He will not get off on
Thanksgiving or Christmas until he has about 25 years... get used to
it. If you do like all the benefits that come with job, health
benefits, retirement, 401K.... JUST QUIT  PRETTY SIMPLE...YEAH go ahead
give someone an ear full, they are waiting by the phone... They always
need a good laugh on Water St.   Sweet Heart find a better job......
Good Luck

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 15 August 2011

No wonder CSX men are unhappy.

Strong advice from this side.  Stay marked up, take no Vacation, and
never answer her calls. This is a real Train-wreck.
.

Name: CorrUPtion Blogger
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 15 August 2011

Retired. Got really involved when a national contract was settled and
past claims where settled for an average of $1500 per member while the
Local Chairman got $7500 and worked half the time during that period. 

Theses claims were from certain incentives allowed for substandard
locomotive conditions and not allowed to eat after 5 hours on duty. 

The LC was involved in safety programs passing-out heat stroke
pamphlets in December. 

While 125 members got $6000 less in back claims. That difference of 125
x $6,000 ($750,000.00) is saved for the company and tacked on to the
CEO' salary including stock options.

There's nothing magical about railroad CEO's innovations after two
hundred years--just fine a Local Chairman who will sell-out his members
of 125 for $6000 a pop so he (LC) can get $7500.

I'm not suggesting that all LC's are corrupt--but repeat the same
process at say 200 terminals nationwide; do the math and maybe that
will help you understand why CEO's salaries and options are up 20-fold
the last 15 years. 

Everyone wants to complain about the carriers. It's your union bosses
plain and simple--from top to bottom.

Oops! Without explanation; the carrier quietly paid an average of $3700
more to each (125) member without (accounting oversight)"fault!"
2002.

The meaning of "cognitive dissonance" should be read and understood!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 14 August 2011

Dear, how does a railroader rate such a cultured girlfriend?

Name: No wonder CSS men are unhappy
E-mail: 
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for 1-10 years
Posted: 14 August 2011

CSX is the most retarded company ever. My fiancé has been with them for
5 years. He has 2 weeks vacation and can't even take it for our
wedding and honeymoon.  Talk about pathetic. For such a prosperous
company they sure don't give a f* about their employees. If he
doesn't get off for it someone is gonna get an ear full from me and it
won't be good. Get off our your fat lazy asses and do some work and
maybe your employees can enjoy their lives. And you wonder why most of
the roaders are single....who the f wants to put up with a job that
makes you miss life's most important events. Csx can kiss my ass

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 11 August 2011

Corruption blogger,
Let us ask the same.
How much are you worth? Man that just does not work.

Name: CorruUPtion Blogger
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 08 August 2011

Does anyone  here still believes in "Reaganomics?" Americans are now
feeling the affects of what has not been trickled down! America needs
strong union leadership to put the cross hairs on corporate greed. How
much is your CEO worth?

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for N/A
Posted: 05 August 2011

I think I got a job at the Baltimore Coal Pier, in Curtis Bay MD.  Can
anyone tell me if this place is as bad as everyone says it is.  This is
a tough decision, because I have another job making more money offered
to me.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 05 August 2011

9Hey RRJ:

Yeah you right...we might not be so successful so we better keep our
daylight jobs.

A designer clothing line is a logical spin-off. Actually I have thought
about selling pre stained, dingy drawers. I was going to call them Fruit
of Boom, You could choose your own grade...E-1 to E-9 Special. For those
particularly gifted, like trainmasters, that merit a Battlefield
Commission, the Deathcon series...time to duck and cover!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 04 August 2011

NoMo

NO, I don't think porn would be a good thing. Then again it could be a
hidden spin off company for William he can be the star playing all of
the parts plus the production company from fluffer to the caboose.
We'll call it "Yo a Bitch" enterpise. We could branch out to
t-shirts, buttons, posters, clothing line ect... a new phrase like
"SH#T HAPPENS" this time it's "Yo a bitch". Why not incorporate
jeans with boxer shorts? One item sewn together. Except we'll sell
ours with a signature brown skid mark on the back of the exposed
boxers. We'll call it the "William". I think it might work.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 04 August 2011

Cotton

Congratulations enjoy your retirement you earned it.

Name: Cotton
E-mail: 
Employed as: M of W, for 30+ years
Posted: 03 August 2011

I am so happy my time is up ! Was it worth puttin 30 + years ? Better
than social unsecurity . Hope y'all are havin fun

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 03 August 2011

Hey RRJ:

I forgot to mention the hard porn operation...of course we would be the
leads but we would have to have personal fluffers and some hos.

Any ideas?

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 03 August 2011

NoMo

Great ideas. I like "Leave it to Goober" NoMo could be the new Eddie
Haskell. Mikey Ward as Ward Cleaver & David Brown as June even the most
infamous line on the show works David says at the breakfast nook "Mikey
weren't you a little hard on the Goober last night?". "Good Morning
CSX" interviews with the likes of William "How's it going at CSX?"
Williams response "Yo a bitch". It works.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 02 August 2011

Hey RRJ:

Here's one of my ideas...we syndicate. Dear RRJ or Ask RRJ or maybe
Dr.RRJ or Good Morning with RRJ or even the CSX Evening News with RRJ.

I have a friend that will cook up a batch of "Old RRJ" or "RRJ
Black"
which will be aged 12 days or "RRJ Red" aged for 8 days.

Just think, the possibilities are endless...can you carry a tune or
maybe lip sync? You could be next Justin Bieber. How about RRJ and the
Brakemen or RRJ and the Hoggers? Your signature numbers could be
"City of New Orleans", "Train Time" or maybe even "Crazy Train".

I can envision TV shows like "Life with CSX", " Leave it to Goober"
or "RRJ knows Best". Broadway shows like "Phantom of the Main Line"
or "Caboose Boys".

You better start buffing up!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 02 August 2011

Too RRJ: Why is there so much corruption with rail unions? You seem very
protective of the hole process!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 02 August 2011

NoMo

I wouldn't call a pastie white kid wanna be gangsta' & Goober a fan
club. If we get a few more then we'll discuss needing a manager. I'm
still trying to figure out what is "Yo a bitch".

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 02 August 2011

Hey RRJ:

You're developing quite a fan club...Can we talk about an agent
agreement and some merchandising?

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 02 August 2011

Thank You! Then the feat was accomplished.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 01 August 2011

RRJ,
Honestly you are more disgusting than the posters. Just Saying.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 01 August 2011

What is "yo a bitch"? LMFAO. It sounds like some pastie white kid
trying to speak ebonics. If you can't spell how did you get a job on
the railroad? I'm sure you don't know which way the brim of a ball
cap belongs that you wear your boxers outside your pants shoe laces
untied most likely a bad impersonation of a gangsta' rapper. Yeah,
daddy dribbled more than he should of down your momma's leg!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 31 July 2011

William

Is that the best you came come up with? Sonny, the problem with you is
your daddy pulled out early and what would of been the best part of you
squirted down your momma's leg. Now that's an insult!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 30 July 2011

does anyone know if CSX has done anything about the drug problems at the
baltimore coal pier.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 30 July 2011

I forgot to write the person who got terminated did mention this time
around it was a signal violation in his post. Go and reread it. Plus he
did mention that he had already been previously terminated for a signal
violation. He got his chance with being allowed to return the first
time. The other person might not of broken one of the cardinal sins
before which would of allowed him to get his job back. It's rare for
people to get their jobs back with multiple major violations. It's not
impossible. That'll be determined when ever his appeals case comes
before an arbitrator.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 30 July 2011

Lloyd

I don't regret anything. Why should I do that? The railroad isn't for
everyone never has been. Things could always be worse. Merchant marines
are gone for months at a time, the military gone for years at a time,
long haul truck drivers weeks at a time ect.... Lot's of job have it
worse than the railroad. My father was a military man. Watched my
father leave for Korea in the '50s then Vietnam during the '60s. It
can be a whole lot worse than the railroad. I was married a few times.
Second wife hated the railroad said she needed a 9-5 man wanted me to
take a buy out from the railroad in the '80s. I told her she might as
well leave and don't let the door hit you in the arse. I respected her
honesty. I was on the railroad before meeting her if one had to go it
wasn't the railroad. She should of known what to expect we dated for
two years. No regrets. Children one son that was from a marriage before
the railroad. He was born and raised in California still lives there now
I have two grandchildren. Most of the people I know on the railroad from
my generation are married with children now most have grandchildren.
They did alright takes a good woman.

Name: Peter tb
E-mail: 
Employed as: Corporate office, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 30 July 2011

rrj is a good man.

Name: Evans
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 30 July 2011

rrj

The name of this site is csx-sucks.

How are pengions doing at the park?

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 30 July 2011

Neither you or I know the situation of the poster as far as why he got
fired but he stated clearly that someone else is back to work after
doing the same thing he did.  If he had previous offenses and the other
worker did not then I guess he has no defense here but according to what
I read they were on equal terms.  

As far as me quitting, I'm tryin "bubba".  When the opportunity
comes I'm as good as gone.  I'd say you are right about the whole
"adapt or overcome" mindset but this isn't about survival, this
about a company who could care less about most of their employees.  You
can keep making excuses for them all you like RRJ but no sane human
being thinks that the railroads treat their people right, not anyone I
work with anyway.  The only conclusion I can come to with you is that
you probably don't have any children and were probably either divorced
or never married.  If you were married and had kids I wonder what your
relationship is like with them now.  You seem to be someone who puts
work above life and feels like you stuck it out and now are enjoying
your retirement defending a company that probably put you through hell.
 Me and you will never see eye to eye and I assure you its not because
of a generation gap, it is because I put other things first in my life
before work.  I respect you for making it through 30 years out here but
when you look back do you feel like things could have been a lot better?
 You bash me for bashing the company but until they learn that people
have lives outside of moving trains I'll never stop..even if I do quit
or get fired.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 30 July 2011

Lloyd

Boo Hoo! If you don't like the way things are quit (I can't wait for
a response on this one). It's their railroad always has been. When did
that ever change? Even decades ago we were subjected to the whims of
TM's & RFE's that were harsh doling out suspensions & terminations.
All you ever do is write about is how crappy the unions are how unfair
the railroad is. It's all about adapting to the envirement. I know
people that are retired and still bitch about how they hated CSX. When
they worked they were up in the TM's office all the time putting
attention on themselves. I hardly ever saw a TM. The RFE I might of ran
into him in a hallway twice a year one of those was to sign my
certification card. Why is it a lot of people are thriving out here and
a small precentage isn't? 

It's like the person who got terminated. Did you actually read his
situation? This was his second termination. That's a whole different
ballgame. How many terminations is a person suppose to get before the
hammer comes down? If anyone I knew got past two red boards I wouldn't
want them out there working. It doesn't matter if the first one was as
an inexperienced engineer (his words) the other as a conductor. The
second offense no excuses he was still a certified engineer. He should
of known better seeing he got by one red board already. You like making
excuses for every situation. Sometimes people need to grow up an take it
like a man (or woman).

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 30 July 2011

Lloyd

I'm not justifying. I just want it to be accurite. Big difference
there Bubba. Besides it doesn't matter. If people want a chance at
that kind of money then get an education. Seeing they didn't be glad
for what they have it could be worse.

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 30 July 2011

Hey RRJ, please don't ever come on here and justify the amount any CEO
in this country makes or compare it to the people on Wall Street.  The
CEO's of many fortune 500 companies and the boards who determine how
much they make have completely lost touch with reality.  There are too
many good people suffering in this country for any of these idiots to
be making the amount they do.  I don't have a socialist mind set but
it's obvious the rich will continue to get richer while the middle
class and below will suffer. I understand we live in a capitalist
society but its obvious that when Michael Ward's salary is about 25
times the highest paid T&E's salary then something is wrong.  Thats
not even including the bonuses, free transportation, free meals, and
free stays that come with that job.  

Hey 3rd generation conductor, be happy that you have a job but please
stop with the burger flipping comparisions.  The railroads treat their
people like shit and the unions arent much better.  Everyone out here
is different, some have children some don't, some are single, some are
married.  Just check out the divorce rate, the amount of men paying
child support, and try to remember the last time you actually made an
event without having a personal day or vacation day in.  Obviously if
you think this is a great place to work it must be because this is the
only job you have ever had or just haven't had the privelage of
working for a company that cares about their employees and families.  

To the engineer who believes he is being discriminated against, I'd be
on the phone with Labor Relations Monday.  If someone was with you got
fired and is back while you are off fired still then you have a valid
complaint.  Being a part of the UTU or BLET shouldn't affect the
amount of time you have off and all involved should have gotten equal
punishment if any was dealt out.  I don't know how much the race
factor plays out here but I have noticed that women do seem to be
allowed more personal business days more often than men.  All I can say
is don't give up on your fight and take it to them even if it means
going to court.  I wish you the best and hopefully you will come back
and share more info in the coming days or weeks about what happens.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 29 July 2011

Corporation Blogger

I don't know where you get your info but it's inaccurite. RR CEO's
don't make the same as bankers or Wall St. You must be including
Warren Buffett he's not the CEO of BNSF but he did buy it for his
Berkshire Hathaway investment. Top railroad CEO's might make a
combined  $60,000,000 a big difference from your estimate of
$500,000,000. Besides who cares what they make. You should of went to
Harvard or Yale to become one of the elite. Railroaders make a decent
living one might not become rich but definitely comfortable.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for N/A
Posted: 28 July 2011

Jobs are few and far between I am a 3rd generation rail worker and thank
god for my job. good pay, good friends and I even get to leave early at
times and still get my 8 hours pay. If you can complain about then go
work at a drive thru window you will be much happier!!!

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 27 July 2011

Hey Corporate 10-20:

Weap?

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Corporate office, for 10-20 years
Posted: 27 July 2011

Loco Eng 

Still what is our ass??   READ IT AND WEAP


CSX beats Wall Street expectations, pushes operating ratio into 60s
Published: July 20, 2011
CSX-stock-wagner
Photo by Ralcon Wagner
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. — CSX posted record earnings in the second quarter,
beating analysts’ expectations and posting an operating ratio of 69.3
percent. In the results, released late yesterday, the railroad paid
dividends of 46 cents per share, a 28 percent improvement over last
year’s second quarter.

Total traffic rose modestly, up 3 percent year-over-year. Food/consumer
agricultural products and forest products posted the strongest gains,
both up 8 percent. Total coal shipments fell nearly 3 percent as
utilities burned more natural gas amid low prices. Strong export
volumes helped offset lagging utility orders, however.

The railroad was able to charge more for its services, however. Revenue
per unit rose 10 percent year-over-year, from an average of $1,666 per
freight car moved to $1,834.

“As our markets continue to expand, CSX is delivering outstanding
results for our shareholders,” said Chairman and CEO Michael J. Ward.
“At the same time, we are taking a number of actions to position the
operations for greater customer demand, now and over the long-term.”

Name: Corruption Blogger Jr.
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 27 July 2011

The combined net worth of Class I rail CEOs is over $500,000,000.00.
Subtract your income from the amount...or the next union meeting you
attend...add up all member's income and subtract the amount noted and
see what you come up with!

Name: Evans V
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 25 July 2011

@Evans

We all know Peter T B. has said on more than one occasion that he would
violate our agreements in a hearbeat. 

No wonder why they did what they did in chicago, or those 'Bama boys
showing up on his doorstep. Piss on too many people and eventually
someone is going to fling poo.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 23 July 2011

fucking cry babies.......why dont you guys just stick it right in their
fucking ass to get yours....thats what i do.....knocking down 100k a
year

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 July 2011

They can't stop anyone from taking their assigned rest days. Don't
people know that if you happen to be working during those day/days they
need to call CMC and request them immediately once back in the home
terminal. I know engineers have an early mark off for rest days, PL,
DV, and vacation call CMC before 1600 to request it then they can't be
called after 2000. There is also a late mark up all one has to do is
request it from CMC it'll streach it to 0400. Not sure if the UTU got
these provisions in their version of the SSA. If CSX is playing with
calling times to avert the FRA mandatory rest it needs to be documented
and given to the LC. I know the BLET had requested such info they're
already aware that it is happening. I see people in my area getting
time off wether it's rest day or FRA which is needed do the high
volume of traffic and being short handed. Seems to me people don't
know how to play the system.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Engine repair, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 20 July 2011

The Union at the railroad will never be strong, unless someone educates
80-90% of its workforce to stop voting for republicans.  Just read the
facts people.  Republicans have already been responsible for many RIGHT
TO WORK states.  They hate unions and will do anything in there power to
bust a union, much like CSX management.  So stop listening to your NON
UNION bosses and do what is right for your much corrupted union at the
railroad.

Name: evans
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 20 July 2011

It is our dm Peter B.  He is causing all kinds of problems on the
nashville division.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 20 July 2011

Hey Con 1-10:

It seems that CSX is now abusing their own policy. You didn't say
where you worked but it seems to be rather extreme. I haven't heard
the same complaints from the NO&M, M&M or PD.

This should be a concern for the unions since they acceded to the
policy. This should also be a grave concern for the FRA since they
mandated the rest days etc.

Your LC & GC need to be called out on this and you should call your 
FRA representative to notify them. The problem may rest with your
Division manager who has the authority to direct how CMC staffs his
Division!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 20 July 2011

Re: NoMo

I understand what you are saying to a certain extent but the FRA days
are a bunch of crap. The company will hold calls until midnight or give
you a DH to take you off your days. I stayed marked up without a day off
for 3 months without catching the FRA days. I know an engineer that
hasn't took a sick day over 3 year's and has never had the FRA days.
I finally realized if I wanted to see my family I use my 1 sick day
every 28 days and if the board is is exhausted take another sick day
and mark up to catch something. I agree the abuse of a few employee's
have ruined the RR for everyone. We have an engineer now that has been
marked off sick for over 2 weeks straight. The guy has found a loop
hole in the system and is faxing a doctor excuse to a certain person in
Jacksonville before its hitting the attendance policy system. The guy
was notorious for never working and he gets away with it. On the other
hand we have guys like myself who stays marked up the majority of the
time get letters for missing a couple day in 6 months. If the company
would help the people who doesn't take off all the time and reward 3-4
days off a month without penalty I think the employee's would be more
happy.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 20 July 2011

Hey Con 1-10:

The current attendance policy is the result of years of abuse by a
relatively small percentage of people. It has gotten stricter over the
last 5 or 6 years as the average age of T&E employees get younger
and younger.

Today there are mandatory days off as well as minimum time between
tours. Bonuses are paid (supposedly) for meeting the attendance policy.
Like all other jobs, attendance is not optional.

The unions haven't helped...they defend the no shows and allow the
abusers to continue. CSX is in business to make money...their employees
are a big reason they do, their employees are also their single biggest
expense. 

The railroad is based on team work...you have to be a team player or
you need to find something else to occupy your time and support
yourself and your family. If you are married, your spouse needs to
understand that you don't work because you like to, you work because
you have to. Accordingly, she must also be a team player too. If she's
not willing to be, then there is a decision that has to be made.

The railroad is a tough life but the pay and benefits are way above
average. What work you do is easy and the pay should allow your spouse
to stay home with your children.

Even though I no longer work for CSX, I to have strict attendance
policies. First, I have to beat my wife home or have to have a written
excuse from the Barmaster and, if I'm late with my pick ups the
crewtender is calling. If I derail, I have to answer to the 
FRA (Fraternal Regulators of Alcohol), their the ones that have the
party lights on their cars!

Name: Robofuq
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 20 July 2011

Not a fan of attendance policy, even though it doesn't affect me as a
heavy hitter and I work a pool with a drop rule.  This ain't a normal
job by any means, but where else could you work and take off 1 day a
week all year? Get FMLA and mark off every weekend like everybody else.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 20 July 2011

Only people you notice that are Pro attendance policy are the losers
that have a shitty family life or is divorce. I see this all the time
working on the road. The same people who doesn't want off days on the
boards, work 24/7 are money hungry, no family, divorce RR's. I don't
mind the long hours or the work but this attendance policy is crap for
a family life. I would take 1 off day a week and be happy but you
can't get that out here.

Name: just plain krazy
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 19 July 2011

just wondering y and the hell the men cant stick together. the unions do
nothing. the bonus the conductors were supposed to get (by what was said
in the contract) on the first of july was pushed back to the 15th
without the union letting anyone know till the day before.....all
claims whether good or not are being deniedand i know the only guys
that are getting thier claims paid are taking them to arbitration
themselves..... ive been told stories of how combining the UTU and BLE
has fell thru in the past but maybe it is time to try again. im tired
of being screwed by this company, its time for both crafts to come at
the comany with one united union.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 16 July 2011

evans

Hobby? If you say so. I feel sorry for people like you and spongeboob.
I don't need to post on here I do it to try and help others to
understand. You & boob are beyond help. I guess you were part of the
failed experiment of time outs instead of your parents whooping your
behind. Like I stated it's comical your petty insults.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 16 July 2011

yo evans respect your elders or get out of the trade. Thats the way it
is. You remind me of the youth of america (DISRESPECTFUL)

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: M of W, for 10-20 years
Posted: 16 July 2011

Ok, after 15 years I can honestly say it was NOT worth it. I could tell
you every reason why but im not. just move on.

Name: AWP
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 15 July 2011

Added to article below about Mineral Springs collision:  Speed on impact
48 MPH.

Name: AWP
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 15 July 2011

In response to the rear end collision in Mineral Springs, NC on   May
24, 2011 that killed the train crew:  I work in the Atlanta Division on
the A&WP and regularly speak with crews from Abbeville, SC about the
rear end collision.  I spoke with a man who has seen the download. The
engineer complied to the Approach Signal according to the operating
rules.  The crew then came back out on the power as if they were
displayed a clear signal at the intermediate siganl after the approach
signal.  The engineer blew the crossing a few hundred feet prior to the
collision and turned the bell off just seconds before. They obviously
were awake. This same employee told me that he has come out onto the
main in that area on a short local train and not show up on the
dispatchers board due to the tracks not shunting. Is there a known
problem in this area? Were they running on a clear signal? We will
probably never know cause CSX says the loco-cam was not functioning.
Its funny how if its something that can prove your guilt they always
can get the video but if its a video that can clear your name then it
never seems to work. Go figure.  I heard the NTSB took over the
investigation so maybe we will get to the bottom of it. Big maybe.

Name: evans
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 15 July 2011

rrj

I'm sorry, I'm sure this is your hobby that you so much enjoy. Just
like some feed pengions in the park.  I'm not going to give you any
more  hell just because your an old dumb fuck. Who likes to tell lies
and bullshit about how it use to be.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 15 July 2011

evans

I'm impressed #3 in seniority. If it's true that's just at your
terminal not on the consolidated roster. You don't have enough
whiskers for that sonny

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 15 July 2011

Spongeboob

Everyone dies no one knows when you could keel over at any minute. You
shouldn't wish ill on others. You're right no one would care those on
the railroad would look at it as another notch up in seniority. Fool.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 15 July 2011

Nothing arrogant. We worked when there wasn't any radios using only
hand signals. Which has become a lost art form. There's only one hand
signal today the thumb when that conductor presses his radio. We
couldn't call a dispatcher on the locomotive you stopped to use call
boxes when they lit a light to inform crews that they needed to ring
him up ect...there's a lot more that has changed. No arrogance only
reality. No getting on-off moving equipment no more climbing cars to
tye hand brakes now it's done with brake sticks working hump yards
catching free rolling cars to tye down clear alleys ect...It was a fun
job back then you actually needed to know how to railroad. That's all
lost. You're insults are comical. I'll happily collect my retirement
every month very content with life.

Name: Spongebob
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 15 July 2011

RRJ's response,


"I forgot more about railroading then you'll ever know so has my
peers."

Comments like this shows your true arrogance and stupidity, you think
just because someone has been out here for 30-40 years that makes them
a good railroader?  I have worked with guys with 5 years that knew more
than guys with 30-40 years.  Nobody gives a big flying fuck about your
stories and the way things use to be RRJ.  With that being said go FUCK
YOURSELF you old decrepid fart.  Just keep collecting your check, meet
up with the guys every morning for coffee and tell your stories about
the way things use to be.  Soon enough you will perish like all those
before you and nobody will care, and the mighty CSX will continue
without you and the pre 85 employees like you.

Name: EVANS
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 15 July 2011

RRJ 

LOL Im 3 in seniority bitch.  I don't have anything against old heads
just brain washed old farts like you.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 15 July 2011

evans

You twit. I responded to a "brakemen" not an engineer. I forgot more
about railroading then you'll ever know so has my peers. As for
staying home I'm retired so go fuck yourself get back on the train so
my stock can make me more money. This petty nonsense you have against
oldheads shows your ignorance remember you'll be there one day it
might not be that far off. Oldhead is seniority not age. When the last
of my peers retires ya'll are in for some schidt. It'll be a new
railroad minus agreements that pre-85er's held. To start one board
they won't need assigned jobs they'll be no more prior rights.
You're to stupid to see beyond things.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Engine repair, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 14 July 2011

my daddy didnt work here you spoke that well, I am in about the same
boat you are.  This place is full of journeyman of nothing.  poor
training and only thing they know is strictly memorization.  Most
employees are also job scared.  Because no one else would hire them
anywhere else.

Name: evans
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 14 July 2011

rrj

You ask why are people complaining now.  This site is call csx-sucks. 
A rrer can't lay off at all now due to this policy.  I understand your
too old and stupid to want to be home. Maybe your kids and ex-wife hate
you.  Most of us do want some time with our families.  As far as a yard
job the unions sold ours out on split date and the ones left are remote
jobs thanks again to the useless unions.

most old guys have inhaled too much diesel or are brain washed

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 14 July 2011

mn

Go find yourself a yard job. That's 40 hours a week w/ time and a half
working rest days ect...The road has always been different classified a
7 day assignment which excludes it from the conventional 40 hour work
week. Nothing has changed it's the same as it's always been. Why are
people complaining now? You knew the requirements before hiring. People
just didn't believe it could actually be this way.

Name: mn
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 1-10 years
Posted: 13 July 2011

The average union member in the United States pays between $400-$500
annually in dues.

What do you pay and what do you get in return.

The average union member in the Unite States recieves 1.5x pay over
40hrs.,and weekends, double time on holidays.

lays off sick over 14.5x yr on a 5 day work week.

Name: Evan
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 13 July 2011

This is a different job than it was when most of us hired out.  Peter
has played a big part in it.  I don't think any of us signed up  to
work 27 of 28 days.  Those fortunate to have an off day very seldom
observes a full calendar day.  If you work part of a day that can't be
counted as an off day.

I know we didn't sign up to pay union dues when nothing gets resolved.
 Just sign the waiver, O they can do that. I'll be off  every weekend
union buisness or company suck if you need me.
What a waste of money.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 12 July 2011

Everyone knew the circumstances when they took the job offer.     
On-call 24/7. I talk to guys everyday who say, "man I can't believe
they called me on my rest, thats crazy, man," or "man, i told you
they would turn that claim down!" (However, we do have a major issue
in this area that needs to be addressed. Its bad enough to work the
hours we do but then you gotta fight for your money. Its not right.)
Again, you knew what you were getting in when you accepted the job and
when you voted in your union representative even if he is a dirty
bastard. I feel like a shrink instead of an engineer. All the bullcrap
I listen to everyday up and down the rails from the conductor or the
guy thats in the yard office whose been here 40 yrs talking about how
he hates working for the railroad. Nobody is holding a gun to your head
making you go to work. If you can't handle the requirmemnts for
employmet then go work at wal-mart or something.  Oh yeah, wait a
minute. Where else are you going to make $100K+ year with a GED or high
school diploma?  You're not! So step-up, shut-up, get out or retire.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 12 July 2011

Depression? Anti-anxiety drugs? Mark off sick if a person needs extended
time off after the second week file for RRB sick benefits. CSX can't
touch you on that one with it's attendance policy. Marking off every
week for appointments will never happen it wasn't possible 17 years
ago without raising red flags. I know back then I went thru some
depression going thru a divorce. The other option is a yard job. Don't
contact the EAP they're only good for drug & alcohol failures it'll do
more harm. CMC has a job to do just like everyone else. People have been
running up on jobs forever that is their right. It doesn't make them
bad people. Running up on jobs at one time was good once back in the
home terminal they waited for their pool to get back in it allowed time
off today they put you back on the board bring your pool back home. The
unions do need to step up to the plate. Last but not least no one is
keeping anyone from leaving CSX. I know people don't like to hear it.
The only other option adapt apparently it's not getting any better.

Name: GL
E-mail: 
Employed as: Train Dispatcher, for 20-30 years
Posted: 12 July 2011

RE: Robofuq


...Sounds like Willard

Name: Robofuq
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 11 July 2011

After pulling out of the yard away from home, heard dispatcher tell 3
van trains there were no crews to relieve them, and no room in the yard
for them.  Somebody piped in  "only been a manpower shortage for a year
and a half". The big question now isn't will we make it over the road,
it's will there be a crew at the other end?

Name: evan
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 10 July 2011

This place keeps getting worse... There never has been an attendance
issue only a management one.. 


Everyone stepping up when crew management runs the roster is a fool. 
Cmc wont let you lay off when the need arises but your willing to take
an extra train.. Come on your screwing us all and cmc is laughing at
you.  Cut back en don't step up for a call as engineer.

The unions out here are a big nothing.  They haven't done a thing
about this it's been a year  and now good men are in the steps of
losing their job..

This job has always sucked being away from home for days being
intimidated.  And now getting letters in the mail saying your violation
of the attendance policy.   I worked more hours in six months not
counting hotel time  then those basterds will the entire year. 

I blame the Ble and UtU  FOR ALL OF THIS BULLSHIT.
conductors vote that fat ass lc out of evansville he's one company man
if there every was.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 09 July 2011

Hey Tired:

So what's new...CSX wants all their contract employees to have one
foot out the door and the other on a banana peel.

Have you tried to get FMLA? Sounds like a perfect reason to apply.
Depression and stress, I'm no Doctor but it sounds work related to me.
Better be careful, if it gets bad enough you might have to get
disability. 

I would present the terminal manager with the charges for the missed
appointments, you won't get reimbursed but it might get his attention.
I'm sure someone with your experience can figure out a way to "get
your money back"!

Have a safe and ethical CSX day!

Name: Tired of being kicked in the t
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 09 July 2011

Hmmmmmmmm. Where to start. I have sought medical attention for
depression. Most likely caused by csx. I have been put on some anti
depresents which require being monitored for the first few months. I
have tried to schedual my appointments on my days off, but to no avail.
It would seem that Gerbles (The guy in charge calling crews) & Himler
(guy in charge of attendance) finds it nesecary to call me to work on
those days. I miss my appointments and get charged for late cancelation
$60.00. So I have started to mark off doctors appointment the day
before. This insures that I will make my nessecary and important
appointments. I have the notes to prove that I was in my doctors
office. They say doctors notes are not acceptable for mark off. They
want me to be their head on a stick and want to give me time off. What
they call step one. So they use their attendance policy is used to
intimidate their employe's from recieving health care. THAT IS JUST
NOT RIGHT. It would seem to me that this FACIST company is hiding out
in America. They say they are American's living the American dream,
but a true American does not treat his fellow Americans this way. They
are greed driven at the expence of thier employee's, customers and the
public. I will be seeking legal advice on this and pray that I can find
a remedy for this in the courts.

Name: Ralph Whitaker Fan Club
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 02 July 2011

I remember some other guys in the Indiapolis MOW department who received
extra special treatment;  Terry Stewart; a B&B crane operator who can't
run a crane but has a company pickup and his crane is  always in need of
repair and he always has an excuse why he can't use the crane.
  Dirty Dave Bales  ran over a utility pole in Avon Yards.  Ralphy boy
swept that under the rug.  Dirty Dave would just hang out after hours
for the OT and he did get with it.

  Mike "MB" Fulp ; the once pride and joy of Dan Justice at
Hawthorne. MB Fulp was caught several times by Ralph and Dano for
padding the payroll and screwing off.  MB was even caught borrowing a
CSX welder truck to use the torch to cut up some scrap metal at his
house.  Ralph and Dan just let that slide.
  It wasn't until MB Fulp was caught by the FRA for lying about
inspecting track when he was really at home that Ralph and Danny-boy
threw him to the wolves.

Rick Perry;  He was promoted to ADE of bridges as a result of putting
an extension ladder against a bridge in the middle of a busy road
without baricades cones,etc.  Needless to say a car came by, hit the
ladder and injured not-to-bright Rick.

Sam Spears;  Ricky made him a bridge manager even though there were two
far more qualified black men who applied for the job.  I suppose being
kicked out of the NAVY for being AWOL too many times and being on the
drug/alcohol rehab program at CSX made him the best choice in Ricky's
wandering eyes.

Josh Huron;  He was told by the Roadmaster and the ADE to drive a
pickup when he didn't have a driver's license.  He followed orders
and was later fired for his efforts.

  We hope that J-ville does give the enema to the engineering
department in Indy and the GL.  Ralph Whitaker should go back to being
a cook.

Name: advancestop
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 01 July 2011

To the conductor  trainee who posted on 12/31/10, about being fired in
training for not being available, I think we went to REDI together. You
aren't missing out on much.  Intimidation 24/7, money is  ok, but good
luck getting your claims paid. .  Go back to flying, VTA.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 30 June 2011

Just a note to say how well I was treated on my Retirement, my Dates
were 1/31/56 to 8/22/07 which equals approx 51 years an 7 months.
The parting words were  " See Ya "! Just wondering if its some kind
of record ? Being Canadian we all got the Big Gazzoo you know where
regarding our Pension, paid into it 25 years 7 month and I get $1143.00
I`am really living :O)CSX wouldn`t let Canadian`s into the 401k even
though we worked under the same agreement ! There I`ve cried enough !
GOD BLESS CSX  :o(

Name: Max Dugan
E-mail: 
Employed as: M of W, for 1-10 years
Posted: 26 June 2011

To Joe Preston Fan Club Re: Adam Flowers vehicle accident, Indy, IN.

  Our ADE; Ralph Whitaker didn't care for the track inspector at
Hawthorn at the time so he threatened to fire him or suspend him if he
didn't bid out.  That guy bid out and Adam Flowers bid the Hawthorn
track inspector job in.  Ralph and Dano knew about Adam's driving
history ( past and current ) and told him "to be careful".  About 4
weeks ago Adam Flowers was playing with his phone on Southeastern
avenue and rear-ended a Grandmother and her grandaughter sending both
to the hospital.  Adam's license was suspended at the time and was
given a multitude of tickets.
  The company had Adam change his story from using his phone to
reaching for a spitcan.  I believe it's a Rooster-Fish company policy
to NOT use tobacco products in a CSX vehicle.  The GL boys waited 3
weeks to put Adam out of service pending an investigation or more like
a "sweetheart deal".
  We are all wondering how Mike Flowers and Ralph Whitaker are going to
get their boy out of this one?

Name: matt sanders and matt stamper
E-mail: 
Employed as: Train Master/ supervisor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 26 June 2011

Alright, so we finally got a hold of Mrs. Ward.  Mr. Stamper got her in
the ass which is what he is use to and since I am now in Indiana, I
fucked Michael in the ass!!  Good day everyone!!!  Oh, I am sorry, and
the "KISS ASS, NOSY BASTARD" Steve Crain took a dildo in his ass at
the same time!!!LLLMMMMMAAAOOO  Hey Steve, you still going to Pennmary
every Sunday just toi get away from the wife/hemroid??  Just
curious!!:0)

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 26 June 2011

Hey AJ,

Kinda looks like the folks are not buying in to your financial
planning skills.

Sorry bud keep on looking.

Name: AJ 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 13 June 2011

Interesting site and very unhappy people....I get a sense that all the
complainers are living paycheck to paycheck! Saving creates a sense of
self-worth and a purpose in life and its rewards including employment.

Name: Nine
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 20-30 years
Posted: 13 June 2011

Evan

bigfoot and littlefeet  off again  displaced and union

Name: evan
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 13 June 2011

When you miss your off day and tie up at your home terminal. You have
22hrs from that point before your phone can ring.   You were already
entitled to 10hrs due to rest..  The company just gave you an extra
12hrs off not much of an off day.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 13 June 2011

Conductor
Less than 1

Never worry about the days off, there will be few and that is a (BITCH)
on the flip side, you will get them in a row, month after month. It
would be nice to pick your poison, and that is not going to happen
either.

Time to man up, or go to work for P&G.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 13 June 2011

and the best part of it all, say your rest day is on a wednesday, they
can call you up till 23:59 Tuesday night.  so for example, with the
2hour call they give you, if you get called at 23:45, you show up for
work on your rest day at 1:45 in the morning, work 10-12 hours then get
home in the early afternoon on your day off.  yeah, even though you have
24 hours of from that point, your day is shot

Name: evan
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 13 June 2011

Something needs to be done about these useless  union reps , safety
sucks, and that bitch down in Nashville.

not to mention this attendance policy

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 12 June 2011

Something needs to be done about all these useless people who abuse the
FMLA policy.  It is intended for people who really have a need  to be
off, not the folks who want to go on a weekend harley ride or take a
vacation.

Name: Dong Bageley
E-mail: DavidBrown'sbuttbuddy@csx.com
Employed as: M of W, for 1-10 years
Posted: 12 June 2011

If your talking about the round house in Evansville to call back more
employees then you might want to apply to transportation, MOW, or car
shop. Chris A. is not planning on it. Some guys there state that Chris
A. is scared of the next person they will call back and that is why he
does not do it.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 11 June 2011

Good for the railroad CEO's. I don't think Mikey Ward is worth as much
as you think. He went through a nasty divorce the ex-Mrs Ward has a nice
chunk of change. Which 5 railroads? If you include Warren Buffett and
BNSF then the other 4 railroad CEO's are paupers compared to him.

Name: RR GONZA...
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 09 June 2011

Top 5 railroad CEO's net worth is over $500,000,000.00. Dream big boys
and girls; maybe some day you can go from a "clerk" to a railroad
CEO!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Engine repair, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 07 June 2011

Anyone hear if they are going to call back employees in Evansville, IN?

Name: Evan
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 04 June 2011

cd utu lc been off over a week union buisnes on his fat ass doing
nothing.

He told a young man I worked with that he needed to quit staying
displaced.  whaat  a joke

Name: VAMBO RAMBO
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 04 June 2011

"  Nothing
has changed since the earliest days of our history, you get hammered
on
until you finally stand up and say you are tired of it.  Its about
that
time boys...are you ready?" From I won't bother. This man is 100%
correct when are we gonna stand up and say we have had enuf of the BS
and being treated like convicts. The unions just sit on the side lines
and watch. But noone has any balls today and these new guys they have
them so brain washed and scared to death.

Name: Joe Sleep-Disorder Jr.
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 02 June 2011

Per UTU.org on 6/2/11: "Transport-employees fatigue continues to
kill."
Who's in denial; you or management? Does the latter run trains?

Name: Joe Sleep-Disorder
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 10-20 years
Posted: 30 May 2011

Sleep disorders can cause fatal accidents and should be addressed with
the proper health care provider--including documentation to your
employer in case of harassment or accidents!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 30 May 2011

To I wont bother: You have watched Hoffa to many times.

Name: Joe Preston Fan Club
E-mail: 
Employed as: M of W, for 20-30 years
Posted: 30 May 2011

I won't bother,

  The unions are being run like corporations.  I don't think they give
much of a crap for the people they are supposed to represent.  There are
reps who have been in much too long and like making the easy deals than
actually doing something worthwhile.
  There should be term limits on union reps and actual voting instead
of appointments.

Name: i wont bother
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 20-30 years
Posted: 22 May 2011

When are you guys going to learn that the better you are at sucking
weiner and the more money you have to stuff in pockets of those who
make the "big decisions" the happier you will be?  The class 1
railroads (CSX included) are running us over like the trains we pull
the throttle on and all we do is bitch and moan to each other, cry to
our spouses, and cry on websites like this one.  Until someone in
charge of one of our great almight unions decides we aren't going to
deal with their shit anymore we will continue to be abused.  Nothing
has changed since the earliest days of our history, you get hammered on
until you finally stand up and say you are tired of it.  Its about that
time boys...are you ready?

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 19 May 2011

Robofuq

The unions have been working on establishing sick pay. The reason we
never had it the road job being 24/7/365 it was the same for holiday
pay the theory was lost time could be made up even if the railroad shut
down. Yard jobs have always had holiday pay. It took the union decades
to get PL days for the road in leiu of scheduled holidays. The UTU got
PL days in 1982 the BLE didn't because we went on a 4 day strike in
1982 over contract negotiations. The BLE finally got them in the mid
'90s. With the stringent CSX attendance policies in effect sick pay
will have to become a reality. It won't/can't happen till the next
contract negotiations. I'm not sure what these dispute/resolution
committees can do but I'm sure wages or benefits are excluded.

Name: Robofuq
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 18 May 2011

An article recently in my local news quoted a Bureau of Labor statistic
saying the average American worker calls in sick 14 times a year. Keep
in mind the majority of (other)people work, if not M-F 9-5, at least a
set schedule with scheduled days off. We have to be the ONLY unionized
workforce without ANY paid sick time in the US.  Couple that with the
near impossibility(on the road) of scheduling a a PL day that can
guarantee the day off.  Just my 2 cents.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 18 May 2011

"FMLA is the balance of power against the rigged system of greed" What
does that mean? FMLA isn't a get out of jail free card. What greed? CSX
wanting to make profit. Now with yearly productivity bonuses people are
now linked to CSX in a way never seen before. It's never been a M-F
7-3 job. People wanted rest days now bitch because they can't mark off
when they want to. In any other job outside the railroad they'ld fire
you in a flash for taking time off. Still FMLA isn't to be used in any
other means than what it's intended.

Name: Joe Sleep-Disorder
E-mail: FMLA
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 16 May 2011

FMLA is the balance of power against the rigged system of greed. That's
why your union officers are always involved in company sponsored safety
meetings.
The carriers literally beg union officers against encouraging their
members not to take advantage of needed leave!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 15 May 2011

csx has a strict availability policy & I'm sure that every railroader
knows the answer to the attendance policy & the bids system, its 4
powerful letters, FMLA !!! haha! just like magic!

Name: evans
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 20-30 years
Posted: 10 May 2011

cd utu lc hiding out on displacement again.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for N/A
Posted: 09 May 2011

A person who has been dismissed from CSX is no longer an employee at
that time until an arbitrator makes their decision.  They are under no
obligation to CSX.
  How can the company file additional charges and command the person to
attend a hearing when that person is dismissed?

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 08 May 2011

I WANT EVERYBODY TO READ THIS. CSX HAS A REAL PROBLEM DEALING WITH
PEOPLE, THEY ALWAYS THINK THEY ARE IN WORLD WAR 3. NOT SUPIRISING
CONSIDERING THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DESPEREATE AND GREEDY AND PAYING OFF
THINGS THEY SHOULDNT HAVE BOUGHT AT ALL OR THE COUNTLESS KIDS AND BILLS
THEY LET PILE UP. OR THEY GOT  TO SHOW PEOPLE THIER BAD ADDITUDE BECAUSE
THEY GOT TO SURVIVE. EVERYBODY SURVIES!!!! THERE SHOULDNT HAVE TO BE A
REASON FOR THIS POST. STOP BAD MOUTHINGAND USE SOME MANNERS CSX, LIKE
EVERYBODY ELSE!!!!

Name: 00H323
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 08 May 2011

Imagine that! I guess ol jim is worn out from all the butt kissing he
has been doing to the new terminal manager. Sure miss rick as local
chairman.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 08 May 2011

Mr. Ward and stockholders,

  D.J. Murphy;  Director of Operations Support continues to send
certified letters to a former employee commanding him to attend a "CSX
hearing" at his own expense.

A.  The person doesn't work at CSX anymore.
B.  The person just doesn't have the money to travel at whim on a
short notice at his own expense.  He's unemployed, remember?

C.  Mr. Murphy & Co. is wasting the stockholder's money.  The postage
cost so far for the various certified letters is around $30.  plus the
cost of paying a clerk to type the letters and take them to the post
office.  The person could be doing something else instead;  Remember,
the person they are sending the letters to has already been dismissed.

D.  The former employee was "railroaded" by just asking for the
racial slurs, sexual slurs,butt/crotch grabbing  and  harassment to
stop.

Name: Evans
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 20-30 years
Posted: 07 May 2011

utu lc for cd off all week for union now hes hiding out on displacement

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 05 May 2011

NOMO,

OK sorry, I got it.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 03 May 2011

Hey Goober:

I wasn't talking about the rail unions...

Name: evans
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 20-30 years
Posted: 03 May 2011

utu lc on the cd is always hiding out on bumps and he mentions that
conductors are all hiding what do you expect with this attendance issue

Name: Troy B &  Lee H
E-mail: BLE532@msn.com
Employed as: APE, for 30+ years
Posted: 03 May 2011

HEY RICHMOND, REMEMBER JG MOLTER, SAFETY SUCK? HE IS RETIRED AND NOW
SPENDS HIS DAYS ON CSX-SUCKS.COM....HE MISSED SUCKING OFF THE
TRAINMASTER'S FOR SAFETY MONEY AND OVERTIME, SO MUCH, THAT WHEN HE
RETIRED HE HEARD ABOUT THIS WEBSITE.  HE THOUGHT "CSX SUCKS" WAS A
WEB SITE WHERE HE COULD HOOK UP WITH CSX MANAGERS AND SUCK THEM OFF,
JUST LIKE HE DID EVERYDAY AT FULTON. 

WE STILL GOTTA WORK OUT HERE IN THIS SHITTY WORLD THAT HIS GENERATION
LEFT US, AND HE HAS THE BALLS TO COMMENT OF WHAT OUR JOBS ARE LIKE. 

MOLTER ONE WORD FOR YOU: "R-E-T-I-R-E" 

WHAT A PIECE OF SHIT...

Name: ld
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 02 May 2011

I noticed that too from lc on the cd. Lastweek i asked lc on cd about
whats he doing about getting weekend personal and daily vacation days
available to us again and his response was that you guys quit hiding
out on weekends and work and he may have a leg to stand on gettong them
back meanwhile he takes off company every weekend. i heard from a
engineer he was spotted at the aztar last weekend with some officials

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 02 May 2011

NoMo,

In my few years on the RR I paid very few months of Union dues. Refused
payroll deduction, just sent a check when the pressure was to great.

Might have made 2 or 3 meetings in 7 years. My Dad was a strong union
person and he sent a lot of signals, all of them bounced off.

My partner was the L&N they had the paycheck, the Union was the
Sucker.

And they are still sucking the blood out of the membership.

Fight as ya might but the check payer will Always WIN.

Name: EVANS WILLE
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 20-30 years
Posted: 01 May 2011

I WAS RIGHT  cd utu lc marked off GO after 48hr bump

Name: evans ville
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 20-30 years
Posted: 30 April 2011

cd ble lc  laid off union for another weekend 

cd utu lc   laid off union last two weekends and now is hiding under
displacement for 48hrs im betting he will lay off union after he marks
up

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 30 April 2011

Hey Goober:

You attend every meeting, vote every ballot and pay all you dues...
to the Curmudgeon Society, don't you?

Can you sponsor RRJ and myself for membership...we're almost through
our training;)

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 29 April 2011

Attend every meeting, vote every ballot. The end result is called an
agreement, in a world of lawyers where no one agrees.

Join your employer, or refuse to join, and keep on paying those Union
dues.

Every Union Employee thinks that the employer is out to screw them, and
that is not the case. They simply screw each other, time and time again
and both sides stay pissed.

Going to rest for a while in the sun.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 29 April 2011

Just so you don't misunderstand my comment on throwing $$$$ at people I
was talking about the members not the union reps. Some people just look
at the money in a proposed contract then ignore the 95% that discusses
work rule changes.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 29 April 2011

Lloyd

You're getting a little far fetched on a conspiracy theory. There's
no bribery or manipulation on getting a contract passed except throwing
$$$$ to blind people then they don't look at the rest of the proposed
contract. That still doesn't explain the lack of interest in the
number of people voting. Worst excuse "It was going to pass anyways".
That's a defeatest attitude. What would the BLE HQ in Cleveland benefit
from manipulating it? Nothing, they represent all railroads not just
CSX. Not all railroads are the same those working on the UP & BNSF
aren't having the problems like CSX. These on-property type contracts
started with the NS back in the mid '90s. We ended up with Tony Ingram
& David Brown they just brought the NS to CSX. When it comes time to
vote in national/international leadership the east coast railroads are
at a disadvantage seeing the west coast has more people which I can
only speak of the BLE. I omitted the "T" because even though trainmen
can belong to the BLET they still fall under the UTU contract &
agreements same goes for engineers belonging to the UTU. If there was
manipulation then why did 25% of CSX the former Conrail properties in
the NE opt out of the 2007 BLE/CSX SSA? Their members voted to not
participate. People need to take responsibilty for their own actions.

Name: lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 28 April 2011

Hey RJ, don't you think that the company could manipulate the numbers
any way the saw fit...especially if a little cash was slipped towards
the people who counted those ballots?  You and I both know that they
were going to have it their way no matter if the people voted against
the contract or not.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 28 April 2011

LE 20-30

Your right it's difficult to make it to every union meeting. On
average a person could make it to 4-6 meetings a year. Which is about
what I did. My point was lack of participation. When the BLET reported
that there was a 52% return of ballots for the 2007 BLET/CSX SSA
that's pathetic. What happened to the other 48%? It took all of 5
minutes to place an X mark seal it in a prepaid envelope and put it in
the mail box. The material had been available for at least a month to
review. I don't think there's anything more important than one's
contract & agreements. I voted against it to many work agreement
changes it would continuosly change thru the BLET/CSX
dispute/resolution committees which ended up with a ton of side letters
that people didn't have a clue about. It ended contracts that were
permanently cut in stone. Then in 2009 the SSA extension was voted on
with it passing so they must like it. It not wise to just look at the
money with these yearly productivity bonuses ect...which is exactly
what people did. Changes to attendance policies ect...were included in
these SSA's. Apparently no one took the time to read it then read in
between the lines.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 20-30 years
Posted: 28 April 2011

RRJ,  I try and make it to all my meetings, but you have to remember
that its a working craft.  Who has time to make the meetings?  If you
mark off, they want to fire your ass now!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 April 2011

Lloyd

I haven't been gone that long less than 2 years. I understand the
frustration. Rules were changing quicker than one could learn them
before they'ld change it again. Carrying bullitens printing copies was
a daily chore then doing the quarterly reissues it was 2"-3" thick or
better. I never understood it. Their ruling people to death so to
speak. Rules on top of rules when you already had a sufficent amount of
rules in place. Management when I left 90% didn't have previous
railroad experience if they had any mabey a year at most. It was a
joke. I didn't get frustrated I just let them think they were in
charge. I did things their way it seemed to always make me overtime. If
they were sitting in their cars watching I just made sure everyone was
aware and go strictly by the book. I had a few heated discussions when
they'ld harrass newbies on the lead while we were trying to switch. No
one should be made to feel uncomfortable while doing their job. 

The unions never had the right to strike under the RLA that'll never
change. When I mention change I'm referring to issues that are local.
One of the last BLET meetings I attended they were discussing sending
5-6 people to confront the GC because of frustration of being ignored.
Worst thing happening are these on-property contracts. The unions are
moving away from power in numbers with national contract negotiations
but left one important issue healthcare under national negotiations.
That doesn't make sense. Last elections for local officers I help
count ballots seeing I didn't run for an office for the first time in
25 years seeing I was retiring a total of 30% bothered to vote. Whose
fault is it when people aren't involved? It wasn't that long ago
union meetings were standing room only now if lucky 10-12 people show
up. Whose fault is it? Don't you think the railroads know this fact?

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 26 April 2011

Hey RRJ, you don't have to get too personal if you don't want too, but
just how long have you been retired?  I'm just curious because I've
always wondered the kind of rule changes you saw or if you were around
to see just how bad the management is now out here.  One of the biggest
issues I have with our unions is that they don't ever talk about what
is bothering all the men out here or do anything about it for that
matter.  We get contracts forced on us and we have all heard we cannot
strike so what good does negotiating do when we have no power anyway? 
The way I see it, I'm paying a monthly fee for very little
representation or none at all.  Some LC's actually do their job and
some are just out for the time off and couldn't get a claim paid if
their life depended on it.  From what I have seen happen since I got
hired, it seems like CSX has both unions in their back pocket and its a
"if you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" game.  Obviously the
lesser of two evils are the unions but with this ridiculous new
attendance policy and bid system that completely favors the company by
making sure everyone has a spot or is cut off makes you wonder just how
hard our unions fought for all of us.  Hey, maybe I have it all wrong
but it seems like everyone is fed up with shit out here.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 26 April 2011

J.V. "PISSYPANTS" MILLER  SELKIRK NY   SOMEBODY PUNCHED THAT PIECE OF
CRAP J.V. AND HE PISSED HIS PANTS AAAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 26 April 2011

When I left in 2009 it wasn't the same railroad in which I hired out. I
certianly won't disagree that it's hasn't become a difficult place to
work. I also realise that once those gauretees were put in place on the
extra boards plus rest days on freight pools life on the railroad was
going to change. The only reason time off wasn't an issue years ago
was because we didn't have rest days without a gaurentee on Xboards
they loaded them up an it was feast or famine while working it. As for
the LC's the members voted them in office. They can be voted out next
election in fact they can be removed by impeachment on a majority vote.
If that happens the 1st VLC takes over if there is more than 6 months
left in a term then a special election must be done to vote in a new
LC. There are remedies people just don't take the time to avail
themselves of them to take action it's easier to complain. If you've
been a conductor for 30+ you should know this already.

Name: almost
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 26 April 2011

RRJ

I've red your post countles number of times.   These young rroaders
are right..  This place does suck and the unions are in bed with the
company..  Our LC has been off since 23rd ub was available for a day
before that when he was laid off co. HEy thats what you get when you
vote a good man out and put a newhire in.   

My point being is its hard to take getting charge letters in the mail
because you laid off 25hrs in 28days meanwhile the lc has been off all
week with the company.  LC greatest responce "they can do that"

System Notice 108  should have never happened the unions didn't do
anything  and if nothing can  be done why belong to a union. 

P.S PETE is a fag

P.S.S JiM is his old lady

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 26 April 2011

Alright I guess some of you can't handle the truth. You want someone to
feel sorry for you wipe your snotty little noses ect....Whatever
happened to being a man? Taking responsibility for your own actions.
When a newbie admits he has nothing to lose he hasn't spent that much
time at CSX and hates it. Why stay? Walmart, McDonalds, Burger King
ect...are hiring. In Fact last week McDonalds had a session trying to
get 50,000 hired in one day. As for being "brain dead". I just
collect those nice RRB retirement checks every 1st of the month. People
ask all the time what are you doing with yourself now that you're
retired it's always the same answer "Anything I want". So whose
really brain dead Junior? You're the one out there whining about the
mean old TM's hiding in the bushes. Complaining you have no time at
home the unions suck ect..... Well, I did it for a lifetime now I'm
collecting the rewards. Quit if you don't like it that's always an
option. lmfao

Name: oby
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 20-30 years
Posted: 25 April 2011

rrj 
your full of shit and brain washed

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 25 April 2011

CDSUCKS

You do have a choice. If you don't like it already why stay. Chump
change? I take it you can find a better paying job elsewhere. It's not
going to get any better. Quit then you'll only be a statistic quickly
forgotten 1 out 5 quit within the first year. It's not for everyone.
As for the union I'm sure you've never been to a meeting but I'll
give you credit mabey one. You haven't a clue how it works. They
aren't there for your beck & call unfortunately the local LC's have
to work for a living also. The unions are only as strong as it's
members. There are hundreds possibly thousands waiting to get a rail
job. I guess some people haven't starved enough to appreciate what
they have on the railroad.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 24 April 2011

RETIRED NOW, HAD A 36 YEAR CAREER. IT WAS MOSTLY MISERABLE. FOR THE LAST
10 OR 12 YEARS OF MY CAREER I REALIZED THAT CSX IS JUST A JOB. DON'T
TRY TO MAKE A SILK PURSE OUT OF A SACK OF PIG DUNG. JUST A JOB, IT WILL
NEVER CHANGE, JUST GO TO WORK, & GO HOME, GET YOUR MONEY & GO HOME &
FORGET THAT CSX EVEN EXIST UNTIL YOU DRIVE BACK ON THE PROPERTY. IF YOU
ARE IN LOWER MANAGEMENT, YOU ARE SCREWED. IF YOU TRY TO MAKE RAILROADING
MORE THAN JUST A JOB, CSX WILL CONSUME YOU. THE RAILROAD IS NOT YOUR
LIFE. YOUR LIFE IS YOUR FAMILY & YOUR HOME..    IT IS JUST A JOB....  
YES, IT DOES SUCK..  GET THROUGH IT, YOU'RE GOING TO LOVE RETIREMENT..
  THERE ARE 6 SATURDAYS & 1 SUNDAY EVERY WEEK.. THE RETIREMENT PLAN IS
SO MUCH BETTER THAN SOCIAL SECURITY, IT WILL MAKE ALL OF THE LONG HOURS
AND BEING AWAY FROM YOUR FAMILY & MISSING MOST OF YOUR KIDS GROWING UP
EVENTS WORTH IT, MAYBE EXCEPT FOR THAT MISSING THE KIDS THINGY, IT WILL
BE WORTH YOUR WHILE. ALL OF THOSE CROSSING ACCIDENTS, I PERSONALLY WAS
IN MORE THAN 60. SEEING PEOPLE CUT IN HALF, PEOPLE WITH THEIR HEADS CUT
OFF, DEAD, BRAINS ON THE FRONT OF THE ENGINE. CRUSHED, DEAD BABIES &
CHILDREN, SEVERED ARMS, LEGS, THE SMELL OF SOMEONES GUTS OPENED & FECAL
MATTER, YOU WILL NEVER FORGET THOSE SMELLS & SIGHTS. YOU WILL HAVE
EARNED YOUR RETIREMENT. SO ENJOY IT. YOU'RE GOING TO LOVE IT... DID I
SAY, "IT'S JUST A JOB."

Name: CDSUCKS
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 23 April 2011

I wish I had another choice.   I haven't been out here no time and I
can tell this place does suck and our unions suck worse..

I'm living out here no chump change is worth this.. 
Hey fat ass union rep quit laying off to blow Peter.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 23 April 2011

Robofuq

It's gets even worse. Under bids your vacation with the automatic mark
up is just 7 days if someone wants a few more days better schedule PL or
DV days. I didn't like the bid system at least not the way it was done.
There wasn't a lot of thought put into it.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 23 April 2011

Cond 1-10

Lawsuit? Attorneys? It would never happen. All union options must be
exhausted which includes arbitration. By the time that happens the
statue of limitations for a court case would have expired. What would
you sue over? Breach of contract? Let the LC handle it. Good advise
quit taking 48 hours. What contract are you under at this time? If you
fall under the new UTU/CSX SSA that 48 hours is gone. Bids might of not
started up at your area but the old agreements are gone.

Name: Robofuq
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 23 April 2011

Displacement time will eventually be a non-issue, when conductors go
under the bids system like the engineers have now.  It's already in
the mainframe.  It is only a matter of time. This company wants you to
spend most of your life working, or waiting for the phone to ring. Read
the section 6 notices for the current contract negotiations.  CSX wants
to improve your home life while minimizing time unavailable. HUH?!?!?

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 22 April 2011

those who are being charged for riding their 48 hour bumps. should hire
an attorney because 48 hour bumps are contractually allowed,and any
breach of that contract is grounds for a lawsuit.

Name: M Ward
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 30+ years
Posted: 17 April 2011

BNSF Fatal rear end collision. Crew member warned about laying-off?
Numbers game would require 3700 TE&Y system wide to combat fatigue for
an additional $250,000,000 in wages and benefits!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 16 April 2011

I wonder where that scab ass Cody wiil go?

Name: Eddie
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 16 April 2011

This place does suck..  I do have a lot of money saved. I don't have to
spend any. I'm never home if anyone is thinking of coming our here. 
Save yourself a lot of headache and find a different job.   

There all kinds of people on fmla so they can just layoff ever now and
then.

The union reps are all laid off company.

Not a one thing has been done about this joke of an attendance policy.

All conductors out there  they're starting to charge men for being off
displaced again. So thats over now also.

Not sure if I hate csx or the two jokes of a unions most

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 13 April 2011

2010 FRA On Duty Fatalities - CSX Leads 753 Railroads

http://csx-corruption.com/2010-fra-on-duty-fatalities-csx-leads-753-railroads/

Thanks to this sites administrator for helping distribute this
information!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 12 April 2011

J.V. MILLER  IS A LOSER RETARD.  A TRAINEE KNOCKED HIM OUT A COUPLE
MONTHS AGO.  THIS GUY IS A PIECE OF S#*& IM SURE NOBODY DISAGREES.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 11 April 2011

********** DATELINE----APRIL 11th 2011**********


********* NEW SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY FINDS THAT THE LAWS OF GRAVITY DO
NOT APPLY ON CSX TRANSPORTATION PROPERTY...... THE PLACE JUST
SUCKS......


THAT IS ALL*******************************************

Name: Oh
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 11 April 2011

Sure would be nice if Murphy would take his fat ass back to Avon, and
open a spot for one of guys who wanna work.

Name: terry
E-mail: terrycarter5@yahoo.com
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 07 April 2011

thanks for all the advice,, i have talked to someone ,,and i think we
are going to move forward...and to prove i'm not joking C.S.X if your
reading this , check my id h9367,,, now lets play

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Engine repair, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 04 April 2011

why would anyone want to work at this sorry outfit, all of these stories
are true on here, and I know they are.  You people are being treated
like slaves, anyone with any kind of trade or other skills, can make
more money and be treated better.  Everyone should write letters to
your congress and let them know how crooked these so-called unions are.
  This is the most corrupt bunch of shit that I have ever seen.  With a
lot of people writing these letters, we can unite and stick together,
you can basically bypass your crooked union and unite and conquer these
crooks.  And that my friends is forming a real UNION.

Name: cater
E-mail: terrycarter5@yahoo.com
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 29 March 2011

i'am lookin for a good Discrimination lawyer please e-mail me at
terrycarter5@yahoo.com

Name: Howard Cunningham
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 27 March 2011

Fonzie

Just apply and try.  Best to never say they fired you just say you had

another issue.

Mr. C

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 March 2011

fonzie

First off no need posting on every thread. Secondly you're screwed
maybe a shortline will hire you. I doubt any class 1 would give you
another chance. Being furloughed is at times a way of life on the
railroads.

Name: fonzie
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 27 March 2011

I worked for csx 2 years ago due to being layed off every other week i
decided not to go back after i begged a diffrent company to hire me
back for the secomd time due to the railroad layin me off To make a
long story short i was sent a letter of termination in the mail sayin i
didnt mark back up in the required time My craft was trains and engines
I was thinking and wanting to get in a track gang would csx consider
hiring me back? And would any other railroad hire me Or am i basically
screwed for being terminated from csx With other railroad outfits? Any
insite on this topic id greatly appricate it thanks ;]

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 25 March 2011

feez

Times have changed there's more rest time then years ago. BLE got the
engineers 10 hrs undisturbed rest back in the '90s. Under the FRA
it's now manditory 10 hours. Under the BLET SSA an engineer can drop
their pool to the bottom once a half they can schedule early mark off
for rest days. Then throw in the FRA manditory 6/2 and 7/3 more time
off. Today there are PL,& DV days we didn't have them years ago. Sure
it's tough only being at CSX for 6 years but longer you stay PL &
vacation time increases. That takes seniority. You can't get it
overnite it's never worked that way at any job not just the railroad.
The railroad is what it is. No one ever told them it would be easy.
I'm sure it was discussed in hiring sessions at the REDI center then
they got a taste of it while training. That's 3 chances to quit before
getting marked up.  

Then "feez" you want to stir it up with you'll never make as much as
an oldhead. Guess what 4 decades ago I didn't make as much as an
oldhead. That takes SENIORITY. No golden spoon out here. More a person
works the more they make. That's one thing I never questioned. I never
looked at what someone else made. Trip rates brought everyone up to par.
I will commend the LC at my terminal he wasn't an oldhead he took the
time an established trip rates that were pretty accurite. He didn't
accept a first offer like a lot of LC's. You accepted the job offer as
it is. That's your fault not CSX. You make good money sure in the
begining years it might be tough but that should make a person tougher.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 24 March 2011

Hey Other:

Unless things have changed, there was always an eight hour window.
For Trainmen it was R8, for engineers it was 10. If you were lucky
enough to hold a regular yard job or extra board job, you had a day(s)
off. Might not be the day you wanted but...oh well! 

On the road side unless you worked the extra board or a mine run with
days off, the only way you got time off was to mark off. The RR is like
a marathon, you must pace yourself.

Today, the FRA requires mandatory time off!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 24 March 2011

8 hour window is what the Unions need to do. Call me or leave me alone.
That will never happen, because the Union has no Power. They are so
weake as not to ask for it.
An 8 hour window 24/7 would be so nice for train crews. However now we
have the Guarantee. How about doing away with the Guarantee, and
getting the lay off privileage. Now that is a real deal.

So many options for the Unions to work on, yet they do nothing.

Name: been there, done that, left
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 24 March 2011

http://www.dilbert.com/strips/comic/2011-03-23/

if the unions had any backbone, we'd have an eight-hour window every
twenty-four hours when we're required to take a call. the RRs don't
care that being on-call 24/7 for 12 hours on duty plus transit time
will send you to an early grave. they don't care that you'll wake up
one day and realize that you haven't seen your kids in years, since
your wife left. apparently they don't even care that it's UNSAFE to
be forced to work on a freight-train full of HAZMATs when you're
tired. it saves them money in the short-term, and that's ALL that
counts to them. when things go right they always take credit - when
things go wrong it's always the employees' fault.

you'll NEVER make as much money as the old-timers, but you'll spend a
lot more time away from home doing it.

for anyone without friends or family (or self-respect) CSX can be a
great place to work. but as soon as you start talking about marriage,
friends or family you have to decide whether you want to be around for
people you care about or married to the railroad. you can't have both,
and most wives won't put up with the RR. they'll leave and take your
money, house and kids when they go.

the RR has to up their game if they want to attract and retain
responsible and capable employees in the 21st century.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 24 March 2011

366 days,8 days a week,25 hours a day...This is what is expected of a
CSXT employee...We know it's impossible,but if there was a way to get
around it and put an extra dime into Burrus' bonus fund,they'd damn
sure find a way to incorporate it.God forbid a man/woman to want to
spend time with his/her family or have a medical condition that needs
attention or possible surgery.P.T. Burrus doesn't care about an
employee,nor the welfare of that individual's family.So long as Burrus
looks good for those above him,and puts a big fat check in the bank at
the end of the year,he could care less if you and your family are
starving and no longer have medical coverage.CSX claims to be about the
safety of an employee,but you can do everything right in accordance with
the rules for your entire time of employment and never miss a day,never
"sharp shooting", and never get so much as a fkn cookie.Take one step
backwards into a spot you were just in,you will get fired.Take one day
off to be with your family,you will be fired.Take a day off to go in
for a surgery,you will be fired.Leave a piece of paper that has nothing
to do with your division out of your mountain of papers to carry,you
will be fired.Miss a day of work because you were told the company will
be shut down due to holiday and they call you in anyways,and you miss
the call,you will be fired. So while you're sitting in your cold
dwelling,never smiling,never a kind word spoken between you and your
spouse,wondering where your next meal will come from,and fifiguring
where to cook it if you had one,people despising you and thinking
you're a loser for not being employed,wondering how you're bills are
going to be paid,hoping like hell that you or a family member doesn't
become sick or injured because of no medical coverage,and you just wish
life would end, STOP and think about your "so-called" managers and
bosses sitting in the warmth of their own homes,eating steak and
"high-fiving" each other,smiling at their wives and enjoying their
children,and laughing at you because they fired you for a reason that
was immoral and injust,not only in moral man's eyes,but in those of
God himself."Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" does
not apply in CSXT. This company is not for the welfare and safety of an
employee. It's about who can fire the most employees and who can make
their wallet the fattest amongst it's managers. Diversified and ethnic
my ass. I've spoke my piece and these aren't opinions. They are facts
based on my knowledge and experience in the 6 years I've been with
CSX. Peace be with all my fellow employees and their families.
Management can kiss it and find their own way in life......Thank you.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 24 March 2011

If you want to watch your children grow up be part of their life don't
go to the interview. It's a railroad you'll be gone most of the time.
No one takes advantage of anyone on the railroad. It is what it is. When
a person gets called to work they never know for long they'll be gone
or how long they'll be at home till the RR calls to go back to work.
There are no scheduled jobs on the road a person is on call 24/7. There
were times I didn't see family for weeks because I'd get home in the
early AM and back out before they got home from school & work. It's
not for anyone that feels a strong need that they have to be with their
family. The plus side it will provide a decent living with healthcare
and a good pension.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 24 March 2011

Hey guys ! Going to an interview next week for "Freight Conductor"...
anybody got any inside info on what i can expect from this job and
company? Im not afraid of hard work, but I am afraid of being taken
advantage of. I have two small boys, and seeing them grow is important
to me. however, so is a decent paying job to provide for them.

Thanks guys, any info or comments would be great!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 24 March 2011

Don't know Chuck Baker. I know John Baker is an arsehole. I'm sure
when he retires as a RFE CSX will be a little better to work at.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 22 March 2011

What did Baker do?

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 19 March 2011

Chuck Baker will burn in Hell someday.  Wonder if he will still get joy
out of hearing himself talk and patting himself on the back.

Name: robofuq
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 18 March 2011

I made the best of it. Working third actually gave me more time with my
family then any other shift.  Now I got enough whiskers to hold a good
spot on the road, and even though I can hold a yard job with weekends
off, the money is too good to pass up.  With a 14 day move available
with the B+O,  I can bounce into the yard when I need a break, without
losing too much.  Money or time off.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 17 March 2011

Robofuq

When I left 18 months ago the best I could hold on a yard job after 32
years was second shift if I was lucky Sun/Mon off never a full weekend
that took 34+ years to get. Which didn't bother me. I liked it better
less officials you could sleep in late still get things done around the
house and if you got off at 2300 still go out for a few drinks.

Name: Robofuq
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 15 March 2011

When I worked the yard, I remember griping about being stuck on third
shift.  An old head overheard, and piped in "That does suck.  You know
what's worse? One day you'll stop breathing!"

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 14 March 2011

Lloyd

I don't know what to say. It's either adapt or be miserable. I just
thru the Chipolte thing in there because I found it funny in an article
I read that morning they got busted using 40 illegals in of all places
Washington DC. Beat CSX at their own game go by the rules slow it down.
That's not happening there are a lot of people getting time in the
street violating the rules doing short cuts. Like suzannah wrote when
she got hired the training was bad now it's 10 times worse. I got a
call from a friend that finally got in engineer training after 4 years
CSX decides their going to promote them early cutting the training by a
month. Was CSX short handed? CSX has engineers cut back. Seems it's
just cutting cost. 

Lloyd the only jobs left to be home every night for the family is the
one man remotes in the yard. The few engineer yard jobs left in
Richmond it takes 33+ years to hold.

Name: lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 13 March 2011

Guys, I don't know how long you have been reading this site but I've
been trying to get a sick out for at least two years now.  Is that the
answer? Probably not..but it will get them where it
hurts..availability.  I know I know, some will say we are railroaders
and we should live like their slaves since they pay us so well and
people are lined up waiting for our jobs.  Horse shit.  This company
treats people out here like trash.  If it's not screwing someone out
of some claim, it's working someone so much they are becoming an
insomniac from never being able to sleep because they are so damn
tired!!  Take the lifestyle, being away from family, and the fact we
have to take anything the company throws at us (hello union) working
for CSX basically sucks.  Oh, I shouldn't single them out, I mean most
all Class 1 railroads who could care less about anyone who works over
the road.  It's only a matter of time before a major disaster or
tragedy happens out here because everyone is fed up, tired, and
aggravated with the way things operate out here.  If you aren't tired
of it, this is probably the only job you have ever had or you just like
to suck on CSX tit.  Hey RRJ, I'm almost ready to start flipping
burgers or bagging groceries, wont be long now.

Name: Ray
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 13 March 2011

Fred and Jim Bob,
     I agree with both of you.  I have not been out here very long but
I am a 4th generation railroader and know what things used to be like. 
I also understand that change is sometimes good.  However, this SSA deal
with the L&N and all of that is a bunch of bullshit.  I was hired before
it all took effect and now they have said that they went back to the
original signature date of June 2010 even though the L&N didn't sign
until October.  If its a "system" wide deal then how can you go back
and date it prior to when the last part of the "system" signed it. 
Now I'm questioning whether or not I even have a future with CSX.  So
now you're telling me that a person from God knows where can come and
kick me as long as they were hired before me???  How does that make
sense?  The quick cure to all of this is for the MEN and WOMEN of this
company to stick together.  But you can't get that because there are
too many greedy bastards who want to suck on the company and kiss their
asses.  I say vote the union members out and get someone in there who
will stand up for the men.  Let the company try to pay me off if I were
a union rep and see what happens!!!  They are simply out to fuck us to
get what they want.  We, the hard working employees, need to stand up
and do what we can to fight for our rights.

Name: Fred
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 13 March 2011

Jim Bob,

I agree with you.  I think most of our upper union officials are on the
take. (Both unions) The leadership isn't worried about us, until
election time.  I find it amazing how at election time, suddenly they
are interested in our concerns and working conditions.  I think there
should be time limits on all of our upper union officias.  The ones
that negoiate our contracts should have to come back out in the field
and live under the same agreements they forced on us for several years
before they can retire.  Maybe if they had to face the people they
screwed over, they'd think twice.

If you need a recent example of the union selling out their members,
look at what the UTU did to the L&N Conductors last year.  The UTU
withdrew from the national agreement when they presented their members
the Conductor's SSA.  When the agreement didn't pass, the UTU
leadership told the L&N conductors, guys.....Ahhhh..... we withdrew
from the national agreement and no longer have an agreement to fall
back on.  If you guys don't accept th SSA agreement you voted down,
we'll have to take what ever CSX offers us.  When the UTU went back to
CSX, CSX offered them even less than before.  

What a shock

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 12 March 2011

Jim Bob

Hate is a strong word. The BLET membership voted in these SSA style
contracts only looking at bonuses not the agreements that can
continiously be modified by BLET/CSX dispute resolution committees. In
2007 I spoke my piece against this style contract when the GC's and VP
Paul Sorrow held town hall meetings around the system to get this
passed. It fell on deaf ears. The worst issue is only 50% of the
members bothered to take 5 minutes to vote for the 2007 SSA and it's
2010 continuation. Did you vote? No one admits to not voting that would
make them look foolish. I don't know anyone still working that hates
CSX they dislike it's policies it's management style ect....but they
don't hate it. If someone feels that strongly then they should quit. I
know the economy sucks blah blah blah!!!!!! The truth is it's their
railroad do what they want. The unions ignore the harshness of these
policies especially the one on attendance. I just read Chipolte fast
food joints are hiring seeing they got busted again for hiring illegal
immigrants. I'd be more worried about the attitude of states like
Wisconsin, Ohio, Illinios, Indiana, Idaho ect...stripping state workers
unions of their rights. After it's all done the private sector will be
next. Guess what the railroads under the RLA have a lot of federal
restrictions. A bad union is a lot better than no union. That's where
this new generation of railroaders have to get involved get active in
their locals/divisions it can get worse.

Name: Jim Bob
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 12 March 2011

I agree with you Joe. They try to screw the employees any way they can.
If it was up to the company pricks we would never be off. The union is
paid off or they wouldnt agree with half the shit the company forces on
us. All the unions do anymore is take our money and dont do a fucking
thing for us. It makes me wanna puke to give them a peice of my pay
check.This job sucks more everyday Id say at least 90% of the veteran
employees feel the same way. Almost everybody I know hates this outfit.

Name: Joe
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 09 March 2011

Hey,On The Road Again.

You're right, if you're working 6 or 7 days in a row, you should have
3 days off, but CSX has found a way around it. 

I was called for the Q593 last month at 2200.  We took the train from
Avon to Terre Haute.  We tied down the train and closed out our time
ticket at 0420.  The Q594 inbound brought their train into Terre Haute.
 We got on, headed to Avon, and our new time ticket started around 0500.
 

You would think, HEY NEW TIME TICKET ON A NEW DAY.  This counts towards
the number of days in a row you've worked!!!!  WRONG.  I worked 6 days
in a row on the conductor's extra board.  But because CSX said that
they consider taking one train to a location, then bringing another
train back from the same location as you delivered a train, without
time off in between trains combo service, its sorry about your luck,
and I had to keep working until my day off. 

I worked 6 days in a row, and the UTU rep I spoke to sided with the
company.  I can see why the old heads are saying the UTU now stands for
U Took Us.  

I have no issues working on my rest, and I'll work any train I am
called for.  I knew what I signed up for when I took this job.  In my
humble oppinion, every time ticket on a different day should count
towards earning that 6 and 2 or 7 and 3 rest.  Not the jobs that the
company decides should and shouldn't count.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 07 March 2011

APE,
Eat less, sleep less, should be, Sleep less, eat more. No way to sleep
a little and not be hungry. RR folks can sleep for hours and never eat
a thing. ????
Off to Daytona with my old 77 BMW Friday. Yep the end of Bike week,
Just the way I like it. Roll into the Hampton Inn on the south end
around 2-4 pm Saturday, and ride A1A for a few days. I do love being a
Senior citizen with both ends of a ride kinda at will.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 07 March 2011

A simple survival guide: A proper diet; if you sleep less--eat less.
Stay completely away from the gloom and doomers. A dollar earned and a
dollar saved...presents a purpose in life.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 06 March 2011

NoMo

If it was a woman I'd be going to Daytona & NOLA. It's some work that
needs to get time that has time constraints. It's alright. Hopefully
it'll have good end results.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 04 March 2011

Hey RRJ:

Busy? Must be important...what's her name? ;)

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 04 March 2011

It's not going to get any better. Why should it? What others percieve
as being unfair working conditions they knew about before they made the
choice to hire then decided to continue on thru the training process.
It's the railroad and they move freight. The lifestyle fits those with
military experience especially retirees better than anyone. If people
think it's going to change they better get resigned to the fact it is
what it is. I do think the unions should get up off their lazy arses
and do something about these attendance policies. Of course if they did
they'll always be those who'll take advantage of mark offs. It can get
worse after these rebellious governors and states that are trying to do
away with public service unions right to collective bargaining get
their way it'll happen on the private sector next. If people don't
think corporations aren't in the shadows behind this then their just
plain ignorant.

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 04 March 2011

Hey On the Road Again...

You make some good points but me and you both know the railroads play
games with these FRA days.  You can be on 5 straight in the hotel and
they will call you at 1205 on purpose!  You lose your straight time and
the same scenario could happen again and again.  

As far as the soon to be wife or wife of the man who is working for
CSX, prepare to deal with this until he either quits or you quit.  This
company doesn't give a shit about you, me, or anyone else who has
anything to do with the railroad.  They say they pay us on
"inconveniance" and if that is true we all should be making over 6
figures.  

By the way, most guys who do enjoy their jobs for any railroad..not
just CSX, probably have comfortable yard jobs, some kind of normal
schedule, or they have completely lost touch with reality and have just
accepted this lifestyle because they know they wont find another job
that pays as much.  It's really a sad state of affairs.

Name: On the Road Again
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 03 March 2011

I have been married to my wife for 15 years and CSX for the same length
of time.  The lifestyle,is not for everyone. It can be one of the most
unhealthy, and will dramatically shorten the lifespan of those who do
not take care of themselves and what they put in their bodies.

To all potential wives and wives of new hires, etc...If you don't like
it have your man get out now, or you get out. This site is CSX-Sucks,
but I will say it work/rest is not a CSX thing, it is a railroad
thing...Your man still got his 24 hour rest day, just when he gets off
duty...we all have done it before...on the other end of the spectrum I
have rode the extra-board for 2-3 days without working right into a
rest day...sometimes you win/some you loose.

Some advice for you and your man...a true railroader never makes firm
plans, and if he has to be off he will find a way(although it is
getting harder to do).  I have missed birthdays, anniversaries, etc,
luckily for me my wife has been understanding, and we always make sure
my time at home (between runs, rest days, and vacations) is special
family time.

If your man is working so much, day for day as you say, 7 Days in a row
by law he would be getting 3 days off in a row see the 2008 Federal
Hours of service law. If he works 6 days in a row, 2 days off.  276
hours per month working and no more...

Back in the olden days before(1970s), it was 16 hours on duty, 8 hours
rest, no monthly cap, no rest days.

Before the current 2008 law it was, up to 12 hours on duty, 8 hours
rest when on duty less than 12, 10 hours rest when you outlawed(us hogs
would show relieved at 11hrs 59 min, just so we could turn faster and
not have to take 10 hours off)

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 03 March 2011

Disgusted CSX Wife
Are you a wife or fiancee? I would suggest you do not marry the guy,
that's the way the RR works and a nagging wife won't make his life
any easier.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 03 March 2011

My fiance has worked for CSX less than a year, and I am CERTAIN the
sudden appearance of gray hairs in his head are because of his job.  He
is a conductor on the East coast.  Let me talk about this craziness for
a moment.  I have plenty to say but will stick to the subject of work
schedules.  
  These CSX conductors work 6 days/wk, sometimes 12 hrs a day (14 if
you include the travel time to & from their job locations).  They get
10 hrs of rest time after clocking out.  Something that has been
grinding my gears lately is that my fiance will be working like this
all week, then the day before his day off, they will CALL HIM IN for a
job that works him INTO his DAY OFF.  So let's say you work Monday
through Saturday, you get off work Saturday morning around 10am.  At
8:01pm, CSX can call you (because that's your 10 hrs of rest).  So
now, it's the night before Sunday, (your rest day) and you're getting
ready to chill out, relax, watch a little TV perhaps and go to bed for
the night with your wife.  Your phone rings at 8:50pm and it's CSX
calling you in for a job that starts at 11pm...  Technically it is
still Saturday, but in 1 hour after the job starts, your day off
begins.  You certainly aren't getting called in to only work for 1
hour!  So you go in at 11, then end up working until 11am Sunday, your
DAY OFF.  By the time you clock out & get home, it's 1pm and pretty
much your off day is shot.  Now imagine they do this to you EVERY WEEK.
 Would you continue to work for this company?  This is asinine!  What
kind of work schedule is that?  Then CSX has the nerve to claim to be
all about "safety, safety, safety" yet they expect these human beings
to work like this nonstop practically with NO days off (since they
constantly shaft workers by calling them in when they're scheduled to
be off).  Ever hear of "burnout"?  Jeez.
  CSX doesn't care about it's people.  It's a fat-pocketed
corporation that only cares about lining it's pockets.  Nothing more. 
Also, from what I hear, their "union" is a joke.  They are spineless,
yellow-bellied cowards that don't want to do anything, except (like
the CSX CEOs) sit on their bums and collect a paycheck off the backs of
the front-line workers.  Just sickening.

~Disgusted CSX Wife

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 03 March 2011

NoMo

Not going to make it this year. My sister has only been on her job less
than a year I don't want her taking time off. I'm busy right now
don't have the time. I also had to turn down an offer for Daytona Bike
Week.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 02 March 2011

Hey RRJ:

You still planning on coming to the Gras?

Laissez les bon temps rouler...let the good times roll!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 26 February 2011

That's "Heil Hitler" not "High Hitler". Hitler was a methhead it's
not entirely incorrect.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 25 February 2011

February 25, 2011 ....and CSX STILL SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

How's it feel to mark off sick & get fired for having the flu?

NAZI BASTARDS!

The Norfolk & Southern runs like a railroad these days, I wonder why?

Could it be because Tony Ingram & David Brown are no longer there?

YOU KNOW IT!

Every blue roof CSX building has become a Guarded GESTAPO!

YOUR FIRED for wiping your ass these days!

HIGH HITLER!!!!!!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Train Master/ supervisor, for 30+ years
Posted: 30 January 2011

Yeah you're right about Jeff. I often wonder why he doesn't just put a
bullet in his head since everyone including his wife and kids hate him.
But then after that all he has to look forward to is burning in hell.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 30 January 2011

Jeff Middleton will burn in hell one day!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Train Master/ supervisor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 29 January 2011

I don't think anybody wants to shut down the railroads. The sentiments
on this board is about sanctioned uncontrollable harassment with a
blind-eye from the union bosses and management. 
Each major te&y union bosses seems to have had serious lapses in
judgments over the last decade. Maybe that will explain why unions have
lost the fight in balancing its member's quality of life and working
conditions.
And the railroads have and will use any means necessary including
political help.

Name: YDM
E-mail: 
Employed as: Yard Master, for 20-30 years
Posted: 29 January 2011

And this means what? That Republicans gave more than the Dems the CSX? 
Your point is what, that you want Obama elected again? That would be
wonderful. I have always wanted to live in a socialist/communist
country. Keep paying those dues.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 29 January 2011

Here's the correct link...one too many Ws.

           http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php?order=A

It took all of 15 seconds to locate it!

Name: YDM
E-mail: 
Employed as: Yard Master, for 20-30 years
Posted: 29 January 2011

And your link does not link to anything. Nice try moron.

Name: YDM
E-mail: 
Employed as: Yard Master, for 20-30 years
Posted: 29 January 2011

"Politicians who's in the railroads back-pocket..." 

You mean Politicans that support the railroad. Why is it that 98% of
the people on this site want to shut the railroad down? You do
understand that you will be out of a job and your union that takes way
to much money for dues will be gone.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: CSX Customer, for N/A
Posted: 29 January 2011

RE: Politicians who's in the railroads back-pocket...

http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=m04

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Corporate office, for 1-10 years
Posted: 28 January 2011

Could the RAILROADS have an Egyptian moment? The top 10 railroad
officials have a combined pay package/net worth of 1 BILLION DOLLARS
while thousands of employees are furloughed. Railroads are second the
largest contributors to political parties after the tobacco industry.
Controlled civilized corruption. Imagine that!

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 28 January 2011

I'm taking a snow day today in solidarity with my family and poor
people dealing with this.

I loved snow days when I was in HS...throw the plow on the Jeep and 
make $300-400 before lunch drive up to the Tres Pinos in Pound Ridge
and drink Bud all afternoon.

Nothing really changes except it's 60 and sunny out!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for 10-20 years
Posted: 27 January 2011

I am the wife.   I am not worried about him traveling 2 hrs away or
whatever to work.  He can't get no where he has called everyone he is
locked out to even make bid on jobs because he cannot get to the screen
to make them because of a time ticket that he can't put in because he
was not cleared to qualify even though CMC Edwards told him he was on
the next train to qualify and even got called by CSX Caller.  The time
ticket was from December 30th and he has been calling the Road Foreman
and Crew Mangagement about it for 3 weeks on his vacation. It is still
the same. Crew Mangagment is not helping so he can't even make bids on
the jobs by tonight so he can get his pilot and work.   So don't tell
me that is right. The roadforeman was in and out of the hospital the
week of Christmas and New Years. So that has been a problem as well. 
He has called people every freaken day to try to get this taken care
of.   He is getting the run around.  So I am a bitter wife.   I can't
get a freaken job because of the railroad schedule and paying
childcare.  It won't be worth it.  But this started when they switched
his zone and he is the one that is getting shafted while the other
people are still getting paychecks.   So screw all of you who think
that is right.   I have all of our phone records and can prove to you
freaken people showing how many calls we made to Edwards, Lampka, and
Tom Flanery even on their direct lines and how many times they called
back.  They only time my husband ever talked too these guys is when
they answered there phone except the one time Edwards called him and
said he was going to be on the next train.   He can't work because of
stuff he can't take care of and the people who can won't return phone
calls or won't help.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 27 January 2011

This goes to RRJ, how pathetic is your retired life. That you come on
here and bash guys for complaining about their job on  a site called
CSX-SUXS.com are you really that dense? Get off your high horse telling
guys how bad it was back in your time, yea real HARD TIMES. You guys
partied at your job, you had 5 guys to a crew, you had cabooses, the
engineers and fireman took turns running, because either too drunk or
too tired, you had all kinds of arbitraties, that the guys before you
fought for and you guys SOLD!!!!!! Lets see all the times you guys
FUCKED UP running a switch or sideswipping cars and the TRAINMASTERS
let you walk, but burned us for the same thing. So how about you go
feed the pigeons in the park or go to the seniors club, and let the
GROWNUPS ie. present railroaders come on here and BITCH! YOU JUST SIT
AT HOME AND WATCH OPRA, while we pay your railroad retirement check,
you useless old fuck company kiss ass!!!! Boo hoo guys come on here and
bitch about the company I USED TO WORK FOR!

Name: Robofuq
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 26 January 2011

I must be good for something, as CSX direct deposits a fat paycheck
every Thursday.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 10-20 years
Posted: 26 January 2011

CSX employees are about as useless as it gets, they are the same as a
goverment worker. Everyday they complain about how they have to work
and please using work is very misleading to what they actually do and
always trying to challenge something so they can file a time claim. So
all you CSX people shut the f up and be thankfull that you are over
paid and useless to society.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 25 January 2011

I've never seen so many commas in my life Miss Hoffa.

Name: drew lewis
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 24 January 2011

Robber barons are nothing but educated criminals! Good job Jack!

Name: 
E-mail: jacksnowe@csx-sucks.com
Employed as: Corporate office, for 30+ years
Posted: 23 January 2011

RE; BILLIONAIRE CEO-S. Jack opened-up the can of worms. While ceo he
realized CSX had valuable real estate holdings. The amount he sold; he
got half of the proceeds counted as earnings. Other railroad ceo-s
quickly realized that their company revenues were much higher than csx
and that is when the (robber barons) ceo-s raided the coffers!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 20-30 years
Posted: 22 January 2011

"You think, you examine, you calculate. THEN you strike!" DCAV

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 22 January 2011

RE; Lil miss Hoffa: Most intelligent post ever! Your post explains how
stuff the Railroaders were back in the days. Now; the corporations and
union bosses have taken a few pages from politicians in inciting fear
to control the misinformed. If train crews are allowed only
one-day-a-month? Why not everyone lay-off at once? Rail management are
still having nightmares from the first major uprising when the unions
organized. The unions demanded better working conditions; the carriers
refused and the union members walked off the jobs and all freight
perishables were destroyed including livestock and paying shippers for
the lost freight. The carriers met the unions demands including back
pay for being on strike. All members must familiarized themselves with
the brutal history of rail carriers and understand what's at stake. If
the trains are not moving the carriers are not making money. The top
rail ceo-s having a standing bet as to who will be the first
BILLIONAIRE at your peril!

Name: LiL miss HoFFa
E-mail: thepowerwehave@hotmail.com
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 22 January 2011

Being involved with the R.R. for a number of years, I very much
understand, the plight of each and every statement made, and even more
so, some that have not been. In the present day, where it seems, that
freedom is becoming more and more rare, it is now, perhaps, that we all
should begin to reflect upon our Parents, Our Grandparents, even our
Great, and all that they have fought for. This goes beyond just a JOB.
American is truly fastly becoming a nation, of the have and the have
nots, and a land of giants, with a great many Davids, who have
seemingly, lost their precious Stone, with which they could, should
they so choose, destroy the giant. How VAST is CSX? How much POWER does
this company have? WHAT can this company REALLY do? FIRST, CSX, is an
enormous power in the world of moving commodities, it is a top dog,
when it comes to moving some of this countries MOST PRECIOUS items to
and from their necessary locations. Next, How much POWER does CSX TRULY
have? Here you may be astounded, perhaps, agree, or not, either way,
this is a fact, and this answer and the NEXT, should you so believe,
can allow YOU as the worker, the union member, the leader, the wives,
each and every one of us, to realize who WE ARE, and what WE CAN DO TO
CHANGE THINGS, thus shifting the power, into OUR HANDS. So, How much
POWER does CSX have? As for the company itself, NONE. It is YOU, the
worker, every one of you who sweats, who labors, who is on call, who
works those holidays, who misses a critical moment in your childs life,
who did not get to attend a precious FUNERAL, because of the NEW rules
on BEREAVEMENT, IT IS YOU WHO HOUSE THE POWER, YOU ARE CSX, and YOU can
shut the company down, on a dime, change the rules, with a whisper,
re-write EVERY SINGLE agreement if YOU so CHOOSE, because YOU, house
the POWER! Lastly, How much POWER does CSX truly have? The answer, I
just told you. They have only as much as YOU GIVE THEM. Their power
over you, is threats, fear, and as they do such they KNOW they cannot
do ANYTHING to you, because it is a FACT, that if you each, BAND
TOGETHER, grow weary enough, of the way your being treated, STOP the
trains, There is NOTHING they can do. They will cry, they WILL threaten
to fire you, say they will put union leaders in jail, but in fact, they
WILL NOT. How long did take to TRAIN YOU? I worked for a major trucking
company in the U.S. and it is a fact, that should the TRAINS & the
TRUCKS cease to MOVE for only...only.. THREE days...it would CRIPPLE
this country, but your voices, would then be HEARD, not only by CSX,
but by the NATIONS leaders, the press, and then, the TRUTH would come
out about how you have been done. The truth, about a man, who did NOT
get the MESSAGE that his son, was in surgery, and he NEEDED to get
home, ASAP, he was NOT going to make it, it was MORE IMPORTANT for CSX
to get their train ran, and it did, than for this poor man, to get to
his ONLY SON. In case your wondering, they let him go all the way, into
the yard, put the train up, and when he had logged off, only then, did
they FINALLY SAY, your son is in the HOSPITAL, youve been called home.
The result. He did NOT get to the Hospital in time, His SON DIED TWENTY
MINUTES before he arrived. BUT CSX GOT THAT TRAIN IN ON TIME! So many
more stories, it sickens me. I am personally beyond fed up, with their
bereavement policy, if it is not MOM DAD OR CHILD OR WIFE OR HUBBY, YOU
ARE NOT GETTING OFF. So, what about the Grandmother, Grandfather, or
Uncle or Aunt, or others, who perhaps, may have raised us? Dare we say,
that the mighty giants, TAKE their sorrow days !!! In closing, it IS up
to EVERYONE, to take a stand, CSX does NOT have POWER over you, YOU
hold POWER over them, this is in fact likewise, unto the Bibical story
of David and goliath, CSX, yes, Goliath, and WE....DAVID. However, it
is just a matter of FINDING our Stones. Truly, courage, strength,
wisdom, and staying together, in all things, and surely this is so, WE
shall overcome and prevail gaining ALL things we so desire....rather
like the old days. Peace unto you all~

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 21 January 2011

What A Shit Pit!!!!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 21 January 2011

Bob-Jan 17th.
A state full crew law will not protect You. It has protected many on
this site in the past, but no longer. Reason being the states were
interested in protecting the public thru laws that demanded a certain
standard of safety. That standard has since moved from the state to the
FRA. The states were not capable of proving the need in a court of law
when challenged by the carriers.

I worked train after train for 5 years thru the states of Ky and Tn
with no Fireman while the state of Indiana had a Fireman on every
engine that moved. full Crew Law. It was hard for the Railroad to get
rid of the law but they did.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 19 January 2011

Furlough going on 4 years,only work 1 year.

Name: Robofuq
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 18 January 2011

A national crew consist mandated by the FRA is what we need,  but they
are in the carrier's pocket, so it's not going to happen.  As I
understand it,  the B+O agreement the Northern Region will soon be
under has crew consist guaranteed until 2018, and that was the main
reason LCs voted it in.  By then, PTC will be up and running,  and most
of the pre 85 men will be gone.  I'm sure the UTU will protect us.

Name: BOB
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 17 January 2011

Hey Buddy's,

My Grip here is Us men need to stand up as we all say but i have a
great idea! I know everyone has heard them all but bear with me. There
are states that have laws that there has to be 2 set's of eyes on an
engine and i think we should fight in every state for it. We only have
2 guys left and they want it to be none on s train so lets ban together
and get the laws passed ! dont wimp out on this it can be done and has
so dont bullshit me on this .It is just everyone getting off there ass
and doing something ! Law is Law they cant break it and we can take
advantage !

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 14 January 2011

Double standards are an excuse for many. TM can work with a phone, T/E
can only Operate the equipment. Get real.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 12 January 2011

TO:   Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 12 January 2011

HERE WE ARE AGAIN!

JANUARY, 2011 .......AND CSX STILL SUCKS!!!!!
as fucking always
NOTHING EVER CHANGES IN THIS CHEAP ASS OUTFIT.
Cheap Scape eXpress doing business as the Cock Sucker eXpress
MONEY BEING DENIED,  SCREWED UP ATTENDANCE POLICY, HARASSMENT,
DISCRIMINATION, LOW MORALE, PISS POOR MANAGEMENT.

NAZI STYLE LEADERSHIP & ENFORCEMENTS BECAUSE THEY STILL DON'T KNOW
HOW
TO RUN A COMPANY.   Bunch of Dick Lickers collecting a Big paycheck and
fucking T&E for anything and everything.

MOST FORTUNE 500 COMPANIES ALWAYS STATE "OUR EMPLOYEES ARE OUR
GREATEST ASSES"    Wait for a takeover after a big disaster

CSXT COULD NEVER STATE SUCH A LIE!

Name: sctrain
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 12 January 2011

Info on florence sc is it as bad as they say it is down there heard its
bad place to work

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 12 January 2011

HERE WE ARE AGAIN!

JANUARY, 2011 .......AND CSX STILL SUCKS!!!!!

NOTHING EVER CHANGES IN THIS CHEAP ASS OUTFIT.

MONEY BEING DENIED,  SCREWED UP ATTENDANCE POLICY, HARASSMENT,
DISCRIMINATION, LOW MORALE, PISS POOR MANAGEMENT.

NAZI STYLE LEADERSHIP & ENFORCEMENTS BECAUSE THEY STILL DON'T KNOW HOW
TO RUN A COMPANY.

MOST FORTUNE 500 COMPANIES ALWAYS STATE "OUR EMPLOYEES ARE OUR
GREATEST ASSET"

CSXT COULD NEVER STATE SUCH A LIE!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 12 January 2011

Just mark off weather. They can't stop anyone if they truly can't make
it in to work. A two hour call could take 4+ hours if the conditions are
hazardous. I've done it plenty of times. I even left to go to work then
turned around went home because of icy and snow covered roads. I
remember the Blizzard of '78 got stuck in a shack at the arrival yard
in Walbridge for over 72 hours before the National Guard dug us out.
That was 64 hours worth of OT. I've been stuck in hotels for 3-4 days
because of snow, ice, hurricanes ect...all one has to do after 24 hours
is call a trainmaster CSX will pick up the check for meals. Is there a
double standard? Sure there is. The only way to end it is to join them
which any self respecting T&E would never do.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 11 January 2011

Hey Boyles Loco 1-10:

Lets have his name so I can put him on the Turd Watch list...you
never know, he could win this years "Brown Banana"!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 11 January 2011

A train master from Birmingham called Jacksonville last night and told
the crew caller under no circumstance are any T&E employees allowed to
mark off weather.  What is so funny is that no train master was around
because of the weather.  Funny how these double standards work around
CSX.  We have to work but they can stay at home when the roads are
under an inch of ice.

Name: Angela 
E-mail: angie.marek@dowjones.com
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 11 January 2011

Hey everyone, 
    I'm a business reporter working on a story for a national business
magazine that looks at CSX's retirement 401(k) plan for workers, which
has actually had big investment returns in recent years. I'm hoping to
talk with a couple rank and file employees who can tell me a bit about
their experience with the plan and whether it helped them make progress
saving for retirement in recent years. If anyone is able to chat with me
and share your story, I'd love to hear from you.  E-mail me here
(angie.marek@dowjones.com) and we can find a time to connect. 
    Thanks so much, 
    Angie

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 05 January 2011

i hope the fra reads this.....
most of the engineers and conductors(80%or more) talk on their cell
phones while running the train.  they are also goin on internet sites
on their phones as well during train operations.
and the trainmasters call the conductors and or engineers and talk when
they know the train is moving  

i see conductors kick locomotives on a regular basis

nobody ever does a correct air brake test either.  its a joke

itll be funny when a key train derails because of these issues on csx
trains

Name: ACD
E-mail: 
Employed as: Train Dispatcher, for 20-30 years
Posted: 05 January 2011

I don't visit this board often.  But the GL GM is in trouble.  

Begining on the 9th the Indianapolis chief will gone.  
The work will be handed over to the East chief. (who will now be doing
the work of 4 chief dispatchers)

Everybody in the office is PISSED

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 05 January 2011

i think its high we start organizing a strike against the unions and
csx.

arent you tired of being treated like shit and the unions just letting
csx have their way? marking off policies that havent changed in many
many years now changed a couple time in a few months to cover their ass
for lack of crews.

stealing money from your paychecks almost daily, categorically
declining legitimate claims without consideration. setting you up for
failure with e-tests with penalties harsher than if an incident
actually happened. etc, etc

we are the ones who make the money and run the trains but are treated
like the lowest life form while everybody above us reaps high bonuses.

we are blamed because they cannot run trains. telling the public, the
stockholders (which most of us are), the news outlets that they are
hiring and furloughed people are all recalled. we have many many people
on furlough that were never called. the hiring is more management, not
train crews. management cannot run trains.

oh? a strike doesn't do any good because the gov't will force us back
to work?

with all the national attention it WILL send a message to csx and the
country.

Name: Fawghorn leghorn
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 04 January 2011

God, I love fat woman!! Happy new year everyone from the Orange Bowl!! 
I had a woman down here in Florida so big on New Years Eve, you could
have stamped Happy New Year on her ass and flew her all over Miami
Beach!!!!;0)  All the more reason to stay away from drugs and alcohol
boys!!  Keep it on the rails and good luck in that shithole
industry!!LLLMMAAOOOO  LET'S GO HOKIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  LET'S GO
HOKIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  LET'S GO HOKIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 They are going to whip Stanfords arse!!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 02 January 2011

don't expect to get paid for your rsia mandatory off time if you're on
any extra list/board. it will be taken away from your guarantee

Name: Kwatee
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 10-20 years
Posted: 01 January 2011

To whom it may concern:
In order to survive in this harsh new world of reality that has turned
brother against brother one must understand that history has a way of
repeating itself only to find out the same result.Now as the New
Awakening begins and the search for our Savior continues with vigor and
passion or as some would say the lack of leadership and the increase in 
technology has created a monster that will consume your very soul down
to the bitter end and spit you out worse than an ex wife could have
every done.So prepare yourself for war and use every available means
necessary to protect your job.Just ask questions to the "old heads"
who have survived the longest because without wisdom there is no real
truth.They have the secret knowledge you need but you cannot receive if
you do not ask.Even then you may not be worthy of such  gifts of
understanding or will not be meant to hear the message.To finish with
just remember,"Nothing is as it seems"!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 01 January 2011

Hey

CSX Fired Me

Your from Indianapolis :)

Sign

ummm...somebody

Name: Hulk Hogan
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 01 January 2011

Seeing how you guys whine; I hope next year you all grow a set of balls
or brains and fight back! It is obvious that you have a severe void in
union leadership. Especially seeing how that several international
officers from both unions were indicted for kick-backs. Unions used to
keep Corporate America in check from greed and abuse to its members.
And now, the unions are allowing the members to be abused! Success for
the country requires holding our leaders accountable and that includes
corrupt union officers.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 31 December 2010

csx fired me   i was a trainee as a conductor they called me up to fire
me because i wasnt called in to work for a week so when i called the
trainmaster he never bothered to answer or call me back nor did the
manager of trainees when i finally got ahod of them to see when i would
go to work they said i didnt call them enough  when my job is to be on
call and csx never caled me  i got fired for doing nothing wrong and
the managers werent held accountable but i was    theyre a joke

Name: onetwo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 31 December 2010

thank you Lloyd

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 30 December 2010

CSXT

aka

donald trump railroad

YOU'RE FIRED !!!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for N/A
Posted: 30 December 2010

CSX PROBABLY PUT THIS SITE UP THEMSELVES, SO AS TO LET THE INTELLECTUALS
WHO POST HERE VENT OR JUST SOCIALIZE WITH ONE ANOTHER. THEY MUST GET
QUITE A LAUGH AT THE RUN ON SENTENCES AND THE ATROCIOUS GRAMMER, LET
ALONE THE MISSPELLED WORDS. YOU CAN COMPLAIN ABOUT CSX FROM NOW TILL
DOOMS DAY AND REST ASSURED, NOTHING WILL CHANGE. IF ANYTHING, IT WILL
GET MUCH WORSE FOR THE EMPLOYEES. THEY ARE YOUR SLAVE MASTERS. YOU HAVE
PROSTITUTED YOURSELVES FOR THEIR SUB-STANDARD WAGES AND PLANTATION LIKE
WORKING CONDITIONS. YOU ARE A POWERLESS, IGNORANT, BRAINWASHED CLASS OF
SOCIETY ALLOWED TO EXIST FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF SERVING THE GOVERNMENT
AND BIG BUSINESS. SO DON'T GET ANY IDEAS ABOUT IMPROVING YOUR
CIRCUMSTANCES. BE CONTENT TO WATCH YOUR FOOTBALL GAMES AND DRINK YOUR
BEER AND WATCH YOUR STANDARD OF LIVING DESTROYED. KEEP BUYING JAPANESE
CARS AND  CHINESE COMMUNIST MANUFACTURED GOODS. LET YOUR CHILDREN ACT
AND DRESS LIKE INNER CITY CRIMINALS OR YOU CAN SEE THEM SENT OFF TO
SOME UNDECLARED WAR TO BE KILLED OR DISABLED. I COULD GO ON BUT I KNOW
MOST, IF NOT ALL OF YOU, WILL NOT BE ABLE TO COMPREHEND ANY OF WHAT I
HAVE WRITTEN TODAY.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Train Dispatcher, for 10-20 years
Posted: 28 December 2010

Reply to: WHATSUP

3 words.   Great Lakes Division

Watch that place over the next week!
Then watch it over the next 3-4 weeks.

speaking hypothetically that place will..

implode [&#618;m&#712;pl&#601;&#650;d]  
vb
1. (Physics / General Physics) to collapse or cause to collapse inwards
in a violent manner as a result of external pressure the vacuum flask
imploded
2. (Linguistics / Phonetics & Phonology) (tr) to pronounce (a
consonant) with or by implosion Compare explode
[from im- + (ex)plode]

Name: WHATSUP
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 27 December 2010

dispatcher


whats going to happen the first of the year

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Train Dispatcher, for 10-20 years
Posted: 27 December 2010

Hey, Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years

You think its bad now?

Wait until the beginning of the year!
You have not even seen the beginning.

Name: Santarail
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 23 December 2010

Nomo

You're as full of you know what as a Christmas turkey,

Youre jealous cause I make more money than you do.

you wish you worked for CSX the greatest company in the world.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 23 December 2010

i think its time to call for the resignation of michael ward

apparently he is blind to the fact he is losing untold millions of
dollars because there isn't enough crews to run trains BUT he seems to
think hiring more trainmasters and middle mismanagers(and i use that
term loosely)(lets just call them stupidvisors since they know nothing
about trains.

think of the business that marketing could build if a railroad ran
trains.

think of all the overtime that could be saved in the blue palace if
they didn't have to spend hours and hours searching hundreds of miles
for rested crews.

now where is that quality of life we've been told is out there?

think of the customers who would be happy to do business with csx.

now they're just happy if their cars shows up when they ordered them.

think of all the bonus money that isn't making it into the pockets of
the senior mismanagers. although they get more than enough as it is. 
maybe thats the problem...

wouldn't the shareholders and wall street love to know that all the
people were not called back from furlough as stated publicly and the
ones that were, are probably going to get cut again in january as the
csxt decides to go the unproductive route and use one man remote
operations, and consolidate yardmasters to running 2 or more rail
yards

yea business is not all that good mr. shareholder. a railroad that
doesn't want to run trains, but is happy to take taxpayer money to
fund its operations, and piss on union members who actually make the
money and deliver the goods for the country but have to cover their ass
every minute for fear of being run off for not finding a piece of paper
in a switch point which caused no damage and where no on got hurt and
god forbid your call off sick more than twice in a 4 week period for
which you don't get paid anyway, so they can use you as a scapegoat
for not being able to run a train instead of hiring more people.

lets not forget to cut people off for making guarantee, which no one
does because they make more than guarantee...its the shortage of
switchmen causing csx to call brakemen to fill yard jobs which pays
ABOVE guarantee which in the infinite wisdom of csx accounting can't 
figure out shows as guarantee payment.

need we go on?

Name: Santarail
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 23 December 2010

NoMo 

I didn't say anything negative and you jump on me like a monkey on a
banana.

Just who are you to post on   here you dont even work for Csx.  You're
just foamer who has nothing better to do than run down csx the greatest
company of all time.  100K in this economy is nothing to laugh about. 
I have friends that are teachers, lawyers, dentist, farmers etc. they
dont make much different than I do.  I live across street from
president of first national and trust.   

So yes i am proud of my 100k.  O yeah I've never worked 80hrs in a
week on the rr. 

Merry Christmas  CSX and all my fellow workers

Name: Santarail
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 23 December 2010

I just pullen in beautiful Brewer yard.  Those great men I worked for
just gave me a Christmas turkey for staying marked up.  This place is
the greatest yard on the system.  Thats saying alot beca  use csx is
the greatest job on earth. I dont know why you men complain on here. 
I'm going to work Christmas so I can make triple time.  How I love
this place.  What person in thre right mind wouldnt want a job out
here.   I sure hope they dont shut down. I will miss not seeing
everyones happy faces.    and  i also going to make over 100k this year
hows that for dropping out of school at 14.

Name: peanutbutter
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 23 December 2010

Merry Christmas to all the hard working rrers.


To rest of you company men.  I hope you all get called out right before
Christman dinner.

Well the ble and utu offices will be closing I didnt know the rr shut
down why should those pigs..

Our fat lazy no good union rep that cant barely hold a job will be
laying off union as soon as he gets in.   He'll be taking caring of
all kinds of union affairs like feeding his fat ass. 

I'm sick of him and the rest of those guys claiming jobs they cant
hold and staying displaced.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 22 December 2010

Just bring your medical evidence. That should clear you of any
attendance violation.

Name: UPYOURS
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 21 December 2010

I just recieved a charge letter from ble.   I laid off for an operation.
 I didn't inform my supervisor in time.. Well excuse me for not
worrying about trains while I was in the hospital..  This job sucks.  I
knew better than coming out here.

CSX SUCKS
BLE SUCKS
UTU SUCKS
SYSTEM NOTICE 108 REALLY SUCKS

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 21 December 2010

Why is CSX hiring all these conductors? They're like mass hiring all
across the country but there's no room to put them anywhere. Are they
Preparing a buyout? because thats all that about makes sense.

Name: 
E-mail: wifeofCSXworker
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for 10-20 years
Posted: 21 December 2010

I was looking up stuff and saw this sight. I am so fed up with I don't
know how many people with CSX.   My husband was told 12 years ago when
he was hired to take the conductor class for a PA yard and he could use
his senority to get where he was from in WV.  That class kept getting
cancelled.  So he did in 1999.  In summer 2000 he went to Engine
school.  Came back to a terminal in PA.   Kept getting bumped around
etc.   Well in 2003 he filled a flowback form and went to yard in WV
senority as a brakeman.     He was down here for 5 years never called
back to Engine service.   Then in 2008 with the EBS system he was put
in the Pittsburgh Zone for his senority.   He called when it started
and some how on March 20th it was changed to the Grafton Zone.  He put
Bids in but was never qualified in Grafton Zone because he was not
really needed.  He can hold maybe like 5 positions, but never pushed
the issue.   Well on December 1st somehow is Zone was changed back to
Pittusburgh.   He is approx. 2hrs 15min from the terminal in PA that he
was hired out for.    He is told to exercise his Engine Senority.   They
said it was changed illegally etc when it was changed.  My husband did
not know that of course.  He can't make it on time.   Both unions are
not doing anything.   His local person is doing everything he can, but
noone is returning calls to my husband or his local rep.  Or he is told
to call this person and that person etc.   Which he already has and it
keeps going in a circle.  When it happened he was not awarded anything
at another terminal where he had bids in so he worked one week and then
CMC Manager bumped him off and said he has to qualify at the terminal as
an engineer. The roadforeman is in the hospital so he can't even make
arrangements to qaulify.  Our thing is we can't move because of my son
his father will not let him, he can't get there in 2 hr call.   It has
been 7 years since he has even been to that yard/terminal.   WE are so
frusturated.    My husband is not one to call off etc and he is being
treated horribly.  I am waiting for the letter about absentee.  We are
in limbo and everyone is on vacation.   Merry Christmas to us.   We
have 3 kids together plus my son.   I don't work.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 21 December 2010

If you live in the northeast,  especially around the Great Lakes, 
marking off weather in the winter happens.  Try driving to work through
a foot of snow,  with snow falling so heavy you can't see 20 feet in
front of your car.  Take the safe course.....stay home and drink beer!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 21 December 2010

I loved the 12/18 comment------ laid off Weather!
Really.

Name: Matt Sanders
E-mail: 
Employed as: Train Master/ supervisor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 20 December 2010

Is it me or does my girlfriend remind you of a member of ms-13??  She
loves her tacos and she runs for the border!!!

Name: Common Sense
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 20 December 2010

If there's such a harsh layoff policy; isn't laying-off after you
show
up for duty the same penalty as laying-off before being on duty?  
And if you're allowed to lay-off once a month; why don't everybody do
it at once? Common Sense Jr.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 19 December 2010

I've had the same talks.  Face the facts, todays union leaders have no
balls at all!  The give the company exactly what they want.

Name: here today and gone tomorrow
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 18 December 2010

Hello utu and ble or should I just say csx.   No real progess has came
over this attendance policy.   I talked to the gc of the utu and it was
like talking to a company man.  

I've been out here close to 10yrs and it keeps getting worse. I laid
off weather two weeks ago and I'm getting  a charge letter.  This
would have never happened before.



Merry Christmas

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 15 December 2010

NoMo

I was thinking the same damn thing yesterday while writing that post.
Next comes the barrage of "it's not fair" "Why don't all you
oldheads just retire" "Boards are exhausted" "I'm not going to do
CSX a favor and work if they call while I'm furloughed, I'll show
them" "Why don't all you oldheads just die" (my favorite one)
ect....I figure if we add enough of the past responses all they have to
do is write "diddo". lol

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 14 December 2010

Amazing how things have changed. Today a new employee can bank on 25% of
the class running for the hills, in the first year. At 5 years it is
many more.___They know 24/7 they know first in first out. Just a
different person, with a work ethic that is different.

When I was there NO One quit, they would walk the street, one Fireman
did it for 17 years before he came back, I knew the man, and worked
with him as Conductor for 2 weeks before I resigned. He worked very
hard to support his family doing roofing, home painting, anything he
could find. I admired him then and still do. He was a very Good Safe
Engineer, that could listen to a kid and get the job done with no
hassels from either side.

I can still go to sleep at night remembering those days on the Caboose
at 2am Going up Bakers with a local. I could see him in the locomotive
on every curve, hear the horn blasting.

Bad side was then we switch for a couple of hours! Get off at 10-11am
and back to work at 6pm or so for a rerun of last night.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 14 December 2010

Hey RRJ:

We need to start composing our posts on our Office Suite, that way we
can just copy and paste! Seems we spends a lot of time retyping the
same old responses every year come furlough time.

Coming up next will be, why don't all those old heads just retire and
give us new guys a break?

After that comes working off the furlough board and all the boards are
always exhausted!

It's like the Winter Solstice...comes around same time every year!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 14 December 2010

conductor less than a year

Furloughs have been around forever. Some locations have seasonal work.
Sometimes it'll take years to hold a job year round. Hiring 7 people
doesn't affect you their in training once they get set up if business
hasn't increased they too will be furloughed. Most railroaders I know
have been furloughed in the begining years. Your situation is not
unique. Some people can't handle it they quit others stick it out thru
the tough times. When I hired out in 1977 in Walbridge furloughs came on
Dec 23rd every year till march or april of the next year depending upon
if it was a harsh winter. If I would of stayed up there it would of
taken 10+ years seniority to work year round. I transferred to another
location after 3 years in 1980 to a location with a lot of retirements.
It's the way railroads work. No trains no work. Those still working
will work a lot. It might not seem fair but that's life.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 11 December 2010

I just want to know what the hell is the problem with csx.  They hired 7
conductors for chattanooga yard in tennessee.  There are no positions in
this sorry excuse for a yard.  And now we get laid off....WTF  I left a
job to come to this shit hole to get laid off and have to find another
job.  Fuck You Pete B....

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: M of W, for 1-10 years
Posted: 09 December 2010

What kind of work environment is expected when in order to become a
manager or company official, people are expected to work three times
the hours for half of the pay, endure countless degrading ass chewings
from supervisors who have little grasp of whats really happening or
what they are asking you to do, or what really needs to be done. Who
would want the job??? certainly not anyone that should be in those
positions. Thats why we are plagued with (90 day wonders) and people
who think a degree makes them qualified to supervise people with
decades more experience on the job.       Morale and work conditions
will continue to decline until CSX wakes up and deals with this
problem, what would it be like if we had (qualified) people in charge,
making good decisions, but hey, what the heck, they are making money in
spite of themselves...Who really cares about employee concerns
anyway.....THE RIGHT RESULTS - THE RIGHT WAY.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 08 December 2010

He's a racist and an asshole.  That's bad enough but he's also an
idiot for posting in every section.  Usually those that do that had
something going on with their moms that forces them to act this way. 
They drive loud colored cars and boast about everything. They have to
be the life of the party.  You almost feel sorry for them.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 07 December 2010

Steve Cain,
Are you a Wigger, or a Nignog?
just asking.

Name: Steve Crain
E-mail: tomheike@needsteeth.com
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 05 December 2010

I have been offered a job on the coal pier in Baltimore.  I heard unless
you support Rev. Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson, you stand no chance. 
Is this true??  I mean, I do love my KFC and watermellon farms and have
always been a big supporter of Old English 40's.  Do you think that
will help??  And when I pose a question, I always start out with "let
me AX you a question".  I do not know, I think I have a pretty good
shot here people.  Anyone here work on the coal pier there??  Any
advice would greatly appreciated.  Thanks and happy holidays everyone!!

Name: Bob
E-mail: bigbobbusiness@csx.com
Employed as: Corporate office, for 10-20 years
Posted: 04 December 2010

I was CEO at CSX for over 12 years. One day I made an embarrassing video
with a hunk that I meant at a beach named Jick McGovern. A co-worker of
mine by the name of Navid Delson took said tape and posted it on the
internet for his son and friends to work. It was named bigbalogna.csx.
I was so embarrassed. I was so very embarrassed. In my humiliation, I
resigned my position post-haste. To this day I still do not look back
at my career at CSX. Good bye.

Name: Retired CSX
E-mail: 
Employed as: Train Master/ supervisor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 04 December 2010

Is Tom Wolfe still employed? Or has his past of being a horrible officer
and human being caught up to him?

Name: koolaid
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 03 December 2010

who are you blowing off  to make 40/hr

Name: ....
E-mail: 
Employed as: Car repair, for 20-30 years
Posted: 03 December 2010

you're all dumb, CSX is one of the best jobs out there! i get 40.87/hr.
hows that for ya? fuckin retards.

Name: where
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 02 December 2010

I work north out of evansville indiana

what region am i and does any of this 2010agreement apply to me

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 01 December 2010

I doubt Wikileaks gives a rats ass about the RRs or Unions.
Julian Assange the founder of Wikileaks is nothing more than 
a two bit computer hacker with Champagne tastes.

If I were him, I would make like Bin Laden and hide!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 30+ years
Posted: 01 December 2010

Rumor about "WikiLeaks" having damaging information about
railroads corrUPting union officers by gutting contraCtS and paying
eXcessive claims to union officers.

Name: tired
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 20-30 years
Posted: 01 December 2010

this new policy screws the men on fps.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 01 December 2010

LE 10-20

My statement only dealt with permitted time off between CSX, unions,
and now the FRA. Back years ago we could take personal time off at our
convenience. We worked more doing 20-30-40 days straight without taking
time off. If we wanted time off we had the right to mark off up to 28
days. Not to many people did it. I knew a few oldhead conductors that
would work 90 days then did the 28. Most just took 2-4 days off then
went back into the routine. The union today in it's agreements only
discuss assigned rest days, PL, DV, FMLA, and vacation. Years ago
vacation was the only one there wasn't anything else. THe UTU did get
PL days for the trainmen in 1982 because the BLE went on strike that
year over the contract we didn't get them till many years later.
There's nothing in the BLET SSA allowing anyone to mark off for any
length at their discresion. If there is I overlooked it. Personally I
liked it the way it use to be. My statement in your opinion might seem
like I'm siding with the railroad that's far from reality. Once
assigned rest days were established on freight pools & extraboards the
game changed. It worsened under the bid system now a person every week
hasn't a clue. Scheduling doctor appointments ect...became more
difficult. Now add in FRA mandated rest that throws it into another
mess.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 30 November 2010

There is no problem with fighting attendance policies from what you have
stated below.  The Carrier has negotiated with both respective unions on
attendance in somewhat shape or form through collective bargaining
agreements.  The problem lies with the carrier implementing
"policies" that contradict agreements that they have have agreed to
uphold.  I do agree that scheduled off time is a recent addition to our
work schedules but to honestly say that we have more time off now is a
f**king joke.  If you are the "old head" that you claim to be, you
know this is not true. 

I often valued your opinions on different topics on this site but
lately you sir have the appearance of some type of company troll.  I
guess since your "retirement" you have become a Republican that is
worried about his stock price.  And for reference I only have 14 years
on property but I am a third generation railroader who has quite the
fountain of knowledge to draw from.  

Happy Holidays. 


Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 28 November 2010

The problem with trying to fight these attendance policies is people
have more actual time off than any other time in railroad history.
Freight pools & extraboards have rest days now there is the FRA 6/2 &
7/3. If the unions take it to mediation the mediator would rule in the
railroads favor. The issue ya'll have is you want time off when you
want it. That'll never happen. Attendance policies have been around
for at least 6 years. Sure back years ago we could mark off without
reprocustion stay off as much as we wanted. We also didn't have
gaurenteed extra boards an assigned rest days. That alone is the
reason
these attendance policies excist and will continue to excist.
Everything
comes with a price to pay.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 30 November 2010

I may be wrong but it seemed to me that under the L&N contract
the most senior man took his off days with him!

Did they abolish the job and re-advertise with different off days?

Name: hd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 1-10 years
Posted: 30 November 2010

burris is a piece of shit

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 30 November 2010

I WORK AT THE WILLARD YARD AND THEY CHANGED THE ATTENDANCE POLICY TO
WHERE YOU MARK OFF SICK TWICE IN A MONTH THEY (CSX MANAGEMENT) GOT YOU.
AND THE MANAGEMENT HAS HAD ALL THE WEEKENDS FOR DAILY VACATION AND
PERSONAL DAYS BLOCKED OUT SINCE APRIL THRU DEC. AND NICK MALE HAS HAD
ALOT OF THE JOBS WITH WEEKENDS OFF. CHANGED TO MONDAY THRU FRIDAY AND
ITS SAD THE A GUY WHO HAS PUT IN HIS TIME CAN'T EVEN HOLD A WEEKEND
REST DAY.SO I CAN'T AND DON'T BLAME THE EMPLOYEE FOR LAYING OFF I
BLAME THE MANAGEMENT FOR FORCING THE EMPLOYEES TO FIND ANOTHER WAY TO
GET A DAY OFF BY LAYING OFF ON A BUMP MARKING OFF SICK ECT... SO THE
MANAGEMENT COMES UP WITH THESE F@#KED UP POLICY'S TO COMBAT THE MESS
THEY CREATED. AND THIS IS FOR THE MANAGEMENT TYPE PEOPLE IF ITS NOT
BROKE DON'T FUCK WITH IT. LOSE THE BOOK SMARTS AND GET BACK TO COMMON
SENCE

Name: overtheroad
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 20-30 years
Posted: 30 November 2010

I wonder how many letters will be mailed out.   I seen a lot of men laid
off this weekend.  


We need to seperate ourselves from the company.

No more company layoff of any sort.  
No more safety non-sence  this lay off policy is a safety issue.
No more cut back conductors working engineers jobs.
No more signing waivers.
No more buddy buddy with local management.
NO more false union layoffs.
No more quick moves.
No more offering advice.
No more telling on co-worker for you own pleasure.
No more bad mouthing co-worker for laying off.
No more turning off days off.
No more living pay check to pay check. be prepared for the worse
No more working till your 80.
No more union officers taking company jobs.
No more union officers in office for more than two terms.
No more union brothers arguing with union brothers.


NO MORE  UNION OFFICER TELLING US  (THEY CAN DO THAT)
 
EVERYTIME YOU LAY OFF GO  THE EMERGENCY ROOM GET A DR. EXCUSE. 
SIGN UP FOR FMLA.
IF YOU HAVE A WRECK ON THE WAY TO WORK TALK TO A LAWYER.
IF YOU GET HURT AT WORK REPORT IT AND LAY OFF INJURY.
IF YOUR HARASSED CALL EAP.
BLOW THE WHISTLE ON ALL LAWS BROKEN.

Name: csxwife
E-mail: 
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for 10-20 years
Posted: 30 November 2010

Yeah I figured it had something to do with his tongue being too
human-like and being an overall good person. Hahaha We have talked
about them seeming to want to hire fresh meat from college to mold them
as they please, and they can pay them less than promoting the people
already out there.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 30 November 2010

And now we know the "real story". As long as that is management's 
mind set, things will never get better...it's just a matter of time
before the lack of operating experience catches up and swallows them
whole!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 30 November 2010

We have a female engineer/conductor that has put in several applications
for management jobs. CSX response anyone with over 3 years on the
railroad is to corrupted to be management. Meaning they know how it
works they tend to understand the railroad they'll be more sympathetic
towards the crews needs. CSX doesn't want that anymore. They want
outsiders they can mold into their twisted ideals. The one long shot
for management is putting in for a Road Foreman of Engines an applicant
does have to have running experience. Trainmasters don't have to have
previous experience they can be dumb as a box of rocks. Which is
evident.

Name: Spongebob
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 30 November 2010

csxwife,   You state your husband is putting in for higher positions. If
you are refering to management postions, then your and your husbands
idea of a higher position varies tremendiously from that of most
conductors/engineers at CSX.  You see, to be a company officer you must
be a low life piece of shit with no morals, you must be able to speak
fluently with a forked tongue, you have to be able to progress
employees through the IDPAP policy for chickenshit violations, you see
most officers I know don't have their own thought process, but they
are good at sucking ass and following directions from their superiors
(whether right or wrong).  I guess it depends on you treat others. Once
your husband lands a Manager job his soul is surely doomed to burn in
hell for eternity.

Name: csxwife
E-mail: 
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for 10-20 years
Posted: 29 November 2010

To the person who said to stop complaining, get promoted...
My husband, a csx engineer/conductor for 15 years, has been putting in
applications for higher positions for the last 15 months. He has
additional degrees he has gotten since starting at CSX. We have
received over 30 rejection letters. We are seriously willing to move
anywhere.. there isn't any plain reason to us as to why he's being
rejected. His job history looks pretty damned good. Some of the jobs
have gone to the out of network boards.. I just wish they would tell us
why he keeps getting rejected. If anyone has a clue....

To hottytotty, if you are dating a conductor...well..you are dating the
job too. I've been married to my csx man for 6 years. All I can say is
goood luck! be happy when you have him. Don't complain bitch or moan
to your man like it is his fault. Let him have his sleep. You cant put
it into your head that he may find a different job in the future b/c
that may never come about. Take your man with the good and the bad. It
is nice in one way b/c you aren't around him enough to get sick of
each other, you have time to go hang out with other friends.. but you
have to trust, love and respect each other enough to not stray. You
have to be open and honest and not play the games so many girls play. I
have heard so many stories of women arguing with their CSX men about
their schedules. To me that's like banging your head against a wall
expecting the wall to move. If you don't think you can handle it, it
doesn't make you a bad person...it is just a different lifestyle. It
is hard for the men, and hard for any woman/children in their lives.

Name: Observer
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 28 November 2010

How corrupt union officers get paid: Any and claims submitted are paid
as others are denied and no questions asked.

Name: utufagscsxsuksbledicks
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 20-30 years
Posted: 28 November 2010

this attendance policy sucks  and the unions allow it.
our lc's  are off every weekend company business

all I get for 100 plus bucks is   (they can do that)

I seen there's a lot of men off sick but these guys wont get a letter
they're the ones who are blowing the company and the union

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 28 November 2010

Lloyd

Back in the '80s & '90s I remember marking off marking up then turn
around and mark back off again. No one questioned it. There were plenty
of people on the extraboard even regular freight pool engineers didn't
mind running up if the board was exhausted. It did them a favor when
they got back they had time off waiting on their pool to return. Today
you mark off then mark up you go back on the board your turn that was
out becomes an extra it's bullcrap. Gaurentees were good but not at
the price that was paid. Unions had to give the railroad sole
discretion on the numbers. Which we know are kept low intentionally. I
read a comment this morning about the BNSF since Warren Buffett bought
them it's become more like a family. The UP stills leaves decisions up
to local management instead of system wide policies. NS is pretty much
the same as CSX of course that makes sense seeing CSX brought NS policy
with Ingram & Brown. Seems the west coast railroads treat their people
better.

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 28 November 2010

RRJ you made my point for me.  Back in the day we used to be able to
mark off when we needed to for time off without fear of being in
violation of this attendance policy.  No one knows out here when they
will fall under FRA days which means it is still hard to plan on
getting those days off.  You may have worked more 20 years ago, but you
could also take the time off when you needed it and then go back out
there and bust your ass for the next 20 days straight.  It used to be a
good system.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 28 November 2010

What are the unions suppose to do? Years ago there wasn't gaurenteed
extra boards & assigned rest days. There wasn't FRA mandates on rest.
That's the biggest obsticle. If the unions fight it take it to
mediation most likely they'll lose. T&E has more rest days today than
ever before wether it's assigned or the FRA 6/2 & 7/3. Public support
would be nil. They never cared about the railroads we've always been a
nuisence in their eyes having to wait on a slow coal drag at a crossing.
To the news media it's not a story once they find out about rest days
wether assigned or FRA. The unions got gaurentees for it's members
with it came a price to pay. The unions don't like it their hands are
tied. I have sympathy it isn't right. Especially with a majority
younger work force it's got to be difficult not to mark off at their
discretion. There two sides to every coin.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for N/A
Posted: 27 November 2010

csx's new policy for attendance is that you are not allowed more than 1
day off in a 28 day span outside of your regular day off.  any one
violating this new policy is threatened with punishment or their
employment.  the unions do nothing  but go and discuss it with
ignorant, unscrupulous managers.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 27 November 2010

Hey RRJ:

40 or 50 at the retirees luncheon...that's probably a good bit more 
than attend the Local meetings!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 November 2010

NoMo

A small percentage die in every occupation after retirement but that's
just life. Last year I started going to the retirees luncheons. It
amazed me how many of the oldheads that retired in the '80s & early
'90s are still around. On average there's 40-50 people who show up
every three months add in another 30-40 who occasionally attend. Those
guys are still in good shape. There wasn't the stress levels like
today. Chessie System the former C&O, B&O, WM ect...were decent places
to work. We didn't have trainmasters interferring once a conductor got
on the train it was his responsibility alone. We never saw TM's once in
a while one would show up at the lodging to sit in on a poker game.
TM's & RFE's knew every person on their territory unlike today.
Before I retired I met the TM for the sub I was working apparently he
was there two years but I never met him. I did have the oppertunity to
speak my opinion that the use of the term trainmaster was incorrect it
should be changed to train goffer. That they were the masters of
nothing seeing every move today is dictated by division management or
JAX instead of it being local. It felt damn good to speak my mind.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 27 November 2010

Hey RRJ:

Hardcore? I'd say so...guys like that die just after they retire.

The HOS law will make those many starts impossible. If it wasn't for
remotes you would probably do better with a 2nd trick yard job.

Your story is a glaring example of mismanagement...it appears CMC
doesn't understand the HOS law or is just incompetent. The accounting
practice FIFO, (first in first out) should control how men are called.

All the rules and Federal regs. have done nothing but muddy the waters
to the point where no one understands them...certainly not the
employees. It would seem CSX doesn't either but it's their money!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 November 2010

NoMo

I'm sure the starts today are lower with the FRA maniditory rest.
These guys are hardcore railroaders always have been. CSX doesn't
discriminate they're equal oppertunity pricks. You state those that
work that much are doing the work or 2 people. That's the
contradiction people want time off on the other hand don't load up the
pools to the point it affects their earning power no age barrier on this
one. CSX doesn't make sense a friend was in lodging for 21 hours got
called CSX called a deadhead behind him who was in lodging 11 hours.
When he got back he was forced on 2 FRA rest days if he would of DH
back he could of worked. CSX reason for the DH behind him they needed
engineers at the home terminal. My friend took the 2 FRA days then went
on his rest days for 4 days off. More CSX illogical logic.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 26 November 2010

Engineer 1-10......I agree with you 100%  I've never seen so much low
morale & unhappy workers in all my years.  I can't wait until an
employee works so much without a day off & decides to go postal.  Maybe
then CSX will learn there lesson because the mood out here is very ugly
for sure.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 26 November 2010

Hey RRJ:

Any body with 450-500 starts a year is doing the carrier an enormous
favor...saving them at least one body. With that in mind, why would CSX
be sending them letters? The only thing that will end up doing
is take away those men's incentive to work twice as much as required
and cause CSX to employ more people.

Seems counter productive but what do I know?

Have a happy one...I'm enjoying mine with some bird...in the bottle!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 26 November 2010

RRJ, I have heard that from numerous old heads and have also heard the
young guys suggest the same thing, but this is CSX, bean counters &
plain stupidity.

I'm yet to see some logic or real ethics from these people.  The path
they are on will not make them a better company, and its pretty sad
when all your fellow employees say that they hate this railroad.  

Happy Thanksgiving!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 26 November 2010

It use to be someone could run up and work on a holiday so others could
have time off with their families. I don't understand why that's not
possible today seeing once a person who is marked off goes back on the
board upon marking up instead of waiting on their pool to return. Of
course you need people willing to work. Plus since moving CMC to JAX
years ago crew callers today don't have the same interaction with
people like when they were local. This attendance policy doesn't leave
room for anything. People I never would of thought are getting letters
over this policy. The ones who end up with 450-500 starts a year.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 25 November 2010

Happy Thanksgiving to all CSX railroad employees, and I hope most can be
home for the holiday.

I know CSX is a piece of shit unethical company to work for, and I know
some people will be stuck out there moving trains when there is really
no reason to be working with the whole country shut down.

I just wanna wish everyones family a happy holiday from one railroad
employee to another.  I could care less about Ward, Brown, or Sandborn.
 We know they don't work holidays, and we know they don't care about
you & me.

Name: spongebob
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 25 November 2010

Nutsy,

    You may wanna educate yourself a bit before you make yourself look
like a bigger horses ass than you already have.  Go to  utubo.org and
read what they are doing about this attendance policy. You may also
wanna read the Q and A part of the article to educate yourself a bit on
the conductor's displacement rights.  Oh, by the way what is the BLE
doing about this new attendance policy?  I did'nt see anything on
their website about this issue.  At least the UTU is trying.

Name: nutsy
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 20-30 years
Posted: 25 November 2010

Well its almost thanksgiving.   Who is going to work? 

Mr Toth will be having all kinds of things to do next week. 

Its a shame that we have to live like this.

I'm thankful for our joke of a union sleeping with the company.

I cant believe this attendance policy has just been forgotten.

HELLO UTU fags  your displacemnet doesnt mean SHIT

Name: plmorgan
E-mail: 
Employed as: CSX Contractor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 21 November 2010

CSX BLOWS ASS!!!!!!!!

Name: UBTUCKER
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 21 November 2010

I agree with you Bob, I too am working in the Cinci/Kentucky area and
have found that you need to be much younger than I,(43) to keep up and
I think men our age should be treated with a bit of respect, not talked
to like we are trash. I wouldn't recomend this job to nyone over 30
years old, I was not hired as a track worker but sure spend my share
doing physical labor. No time off and on call 24/7. It sucks.

Name: john jack
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 20 November 2010

Avoid the Baltimore Coal Piers, yeah you can get good money but you'll
be tossed out or leave within months. They complain about being
understaffed but whenever they get someone they are driven off by
whoever their working with.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 19 November 2010

Orders are the responsibilty of both crew members not just the engineer.
It is the responsibity of the conductor to remind the engineer. It has
nothing to do with telling an engineer how to run his train. I've
never seen a conductor get away with not getting time for the train
getting busted for violating a train order by placing blame soley on
the engineer. The conductor isn't an assistant it's their train. As
for loading down a train I've had conductors do it. I never minded
running max speed of 10-15 mph or stalling. It's the conductor who'll
have to answer for it.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 18 November 2010

I miss a call every year sometimes 2 just to keep them on their feet
this way u only have to talk to a trainmaster when u wanna mark up and
they are usually desparate for a warm body any way!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 18 November 2010

RRJ,
Pardon me. The conductor was never there to remind you of the orders.
You are seeing the Conductor as a ride along assistant.

If the Conductor takes 20 minutes before he releases the hand brakes,
so be it. I would never try to judge his/ her judgement and throw it to
a level below fully qualified, and or stalling.

I was a Conductor, and made dam sure, every move was a move that the
Engineer could handle. I was not running, but made sure he could.
I could have buried any Engineer with tonnage the locomotives could not
handle.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 18 November 2010

Sure rate CSX as sell, the price goes down. Buy a little and change the
rating the next week to Hold, folks buy in on the low price, and hold
as they are told by GS. Good lord we can do better than this (follow
the leader).

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 18 November 2010

Last week Goldman Sachs rated CSX a "sell". This week GS upgraded the
rating of CSX to "neutral". Today GS downgraded the rating of Norfolk
Southern from "neutral" to "sell". Railroad stocks have done well GS
is cashing in on profits.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 18 November 2010

Stimulas cash? ALL the railroads slowed down like the rest of the
economy they made a decent come back. The transportation sector
(trucks, airlines, railroads) is a geiger counter for the economy.
People need to look at the bigger picture get beyond the frame. CSX
isn't the only railroad. When looking at increases and decreases in
stock prices check out Union Pacific and Norfolk Southern also. CSX is
doing just fine. The problem in this country is investment firms still
have a bear mentality sell offs of stocks in corporations that are
profitable. Which is just what Goldman Sachs did to the rail sector and
others last week. Goldman Sachs did get TARP bail out monies which CSX
and the other railroads did not. 

Delaying trains. If a person is doing their job management can't do
anything. Some people push it to the limits. I've witnessed crews do
job briefings on the orders ect...that were excessive. We have two
people on board the conductor is there to make sure to remind the
engineer of an order. I've had conductors that sat on locomotives
15-20 minutes before taking off hand brakes that is an another example
of excessive delay. Some people deserve to be charged because their
ignorant. Delaying a train CSX has every right to question crews or
even charge them if they did in fact intentional cause delays.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 17 November 2010

ALOT OF OPENINGS IN BALTIMORE AT THE COAL PIERS. ANYONE KNOW WHY? GOOD
OR BAD PLACE TO WORK OR JUST EXPANDING?

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 17 November 2010

Hey Yellow Hat:

"Delay of train"? That's hard to do. I think there is a rule that 
requires the outbound crew be on board and ready to roll within 30
minutes of on duty time.

Paperwork, job briefings, train orders all take time to review
thoroughly. Do you job safely and efficiently and let them have at you!

Name: Yellow Hat
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 17 November 2010

There is no way CSX can continue on this path. They are starting to push
"delay of train" in my area and getting guys on it while at the same
time holding their feet to the fire to be perfect. CSX is doing good
from the stimulas cash but that pipe line is about to be cut. Hopefully
the UTU/BLE will get some teeths back and show it with this new
contract; they sure are keeping a tight lip on it.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 16 November 2010

To all the people around Syracuse.  Stussie is bringing his clone to
your area.  Name is Adam Hawkins.  He is just as bad as Stussie.  He go
hired as a TM because is dad is high up in the company.  This guy ran
Martin, KY into the ground.  Just watch your backs.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 14 November 2010

wow ... very impressive. a loser trying to use nomo's name. if the
pseudo nomo is too sorry to come up with his own name, he needs to take
his homophobe arse back to his two moms and ask for some fresh milk.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 11 November 2010

Today I will be having my stomach pumped.   I suspect you guys know what
for.  I wish you all safe trips.

P.S. Ward you sure look nice today.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 11 November 2010

Is that you LPFB?

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 10 November 2010

You need to stop using my name.   I'm going to tell my boyfriend.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 10 November 2010

Hey wayoflife/red/jon...think I'll just call you Little Pimple Faced
Boy or LPFB for short:

I gave you too much credit...you're not a Teenager, more like 10 or
11. Get you marbles and go home and count your zits. Maybe you have
more pubic hairs than zits!

What you get suspended for? Got off the school bus with a woody and the
older boys made fun of you so you called them names?

Why don't you grow up? You're neither smart, funny or convincing so
stick to your Facebook and Xbox until you mature!

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 10 November 2010

I would like to ask all who have red my pointless posts to forgive me
for my stupidity.  I ramble on and on..  My mother never showed me
enough attention when I was a little boy. Now my wife runs around all
hours of the night with the neigbor boy. Please overlook my non-sence
it is my only out in life.  

To whom it may concern
I am and always will be a flaming fag.   I love Mr. Ward and all the
men from NS. 

thanks

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 10 November 2010

CSX Corp. erased gains after two blocks totaling 20.5 million shares
changed hands, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

The Jacksonville, Florida-based railroad had risen as much as 2.7
percent to $64.50 before the shares traded for $62.50 each at 3:17 p.m.
and 3:18 p.m. in New York, Bloomberg data show. The stock was worth
$1.28 billion at that price.

JPMorgan Chase & Co. said it handled a transaction for 20.5 million
shares at about the same time, according to data compiled by
Bloomberg.

CSX shares rallied 30 percent in 2010 through yesterday, beating the
7.4 percent advance for the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index.

To contact the reporter on this story: Elizabeth Stanton in New York at
estanton@bloomberg.net

To contact the editor responsible for this story: Nick Baker at
nbaker7@bloomberg.net.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 10 November 2010

Hey RRJ:

Yeah, your right. I think it's the same young boy that comes on every
couple of months.

He needs to practice his lying...he's not very convincing and he gets
upset when he gets called on it.

He'll pick up his marbles and go home!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 10 November 2010

NoMo

It seems you made some friends. lol

Name: NoMo
E-mail: nomoisafag@whores.com
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 09 November 2010

You caught me with my pants down.

I m

Name: jon
E-mail: 
Employed as: M of W, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 09 November 2010

NOMO

lol  I bet you're a fag.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 09 November 2010

Hey wayoflife/red:

We grew up together? Perhaps you could remind me where that was!

Now go finish your homework.

Name: red
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 09 November 2010

I figured nomo was.  Some of his post sounds like a little girl.

Name: wayoflife
E-mail: 
Employed as: Train Master/ supervisor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 09 November 2010

all rrs

I grew up with nomo.  He's a flaming fag.  He dated our bus driver.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 09 November 2010

Hey wayoflife:

You skip school today or maybe just got suspended!

Name: wayoflife
E-mail: 
Employed as: Train Master/ supervisor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 09 November 2010

Nomo 

Get a life you're a no good foamer yourself.

I'd fire all you fags.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 09 November 2010

Hey wayoflife:

Yeah...but CSX did. Care to explain that?

Name: wayoflife
E-mail: 
Employed as: Train Master/ supervisor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 09 November 2010

you guys are fags, none of you could work a real job.  this attendance
policy is nothing new if you work you don't have to worry about
anything


Mcdonalds and Wal-mart  wouldnt hire you losers


no education no military background no FUTURE

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 09 November 2010

NoMo

It did leave a lasting negative impression of CSX. It wasn't my first
battle with them but it was my last. Not really I have one more that's
for a later date. In reality when things happen a person is left alone
local management if their willing can only go so far to help and the
unions that's another story. Some people on here think I'm pro-CSX it
took experience to realise sometimes you just have to adapt. Without
adapting the only battle that'll be raging is within oneself. That's
a losing battle.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 08 November 2010

That's right...I scrolled back and found your original post.

Three plus years later and CSX is still wrong. The dude in charge was a
fellow named Jeff, prior to his FMLA assignment he had been a ATT in
Mobile.

You were not happy with Ballentine, I don't blame you. It reminds me
of a story about the difference between a...I don't want to offend any
of the fairer sex that night read this site. If you want I'll email you
the story! 

You're right, it's water under the bridge, but the taste it leaves
will last forever!!!

Name: "just another number"
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 08 November 2010

One of our BLET brothers was taken to the hospital while laying over at
the hotel because he thought he was having a heart attack. He has a
history of heart problems including valve replacement.  After a week in
the hospital he came home to find a CSX certified letter in the mail
advising him he was to attend an investigation for absentissm because
he marked off at the away from home terminal.  He also had a letter
from Cindy Sanborn (VP/CTO) stating that once again CSX had made record
profits in the last quarter.  What a slap in the face but thats
CSX--where employees make the difference!!!! Moving Yesterdays freight
Tomorrow.

Name: I agree
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 1-10 years
Posted: 08 November 2010

I agree CSX hates their employees.  I feel that the rage is buidling. 
At some point it is going to be too much for corporate CSX to handle. 
On the local level it is already starting to have a negative effect on
it's bottom line.  Espeacially in it's coal trains.  CSX is losing
cycle on it's trains.  The local managers are cooking the book.  It's
taking longer to get a cycle on trains.  They are saving a few thousand
dollars and the expense on the revenue!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 08 November 2010

NoMo

CSX denied my request for FMLA in 2006-7. If it would of been approved
I could of scheduled my leave ahead of time to CSX policy of 30 days
notice. The RFE suggested I contact the US Dept of Labor because CSX
was violating rights under FMLA. It's water over the dam.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 07 November 2010

Hey RRJ:

Corporate America...you're just a number, part of the machine.

The suits in the Ivory tower consider you an asset...when you no longer
meet their performance standard, you're replaced. Makes no difference
whether it CSX, GE, IBM or Walmart. It's all the bottom line.

It's a sad state of affairs the Business Colleges and MBA programs
have decided to take the human aspect out of business. I find it rather
ironic that within the next decade, the suits will have successfully cut
the human factor cost to the bare bone, with one exception, management.
Which is where the dead weight has thrived
for years. I can hardly wait to watch these candy asses get their hands
dirty and have to "work" for a living...you can bet the farm they will
be singing a different song then.

What happened to you during your Mother's final days was uncalled for
and in my opinion inexcusable, Think, that was three years ago and you
had FMLA and line managers that tried to look out for you. Can you
imagine what it would be like today?

There was and is a big difference between the C&O, B&O, L&N and CSX;
the thought process of the management was entirely different. They were
as "family" friendly as possible for RRs to be. With CSX,you might as
well be a whore...you get paid to perform and when CSX gets finished
using you; you're out!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 07 November 2010

Just going up for a funeral is one thing. To make the arrangements with
the funeral home, newspaper, caterers, church, florist ect...is
another. Then add in being executor of the will places it in another
level. Actually 8 days wasn't enough when you add in travel time. Wait
till your parents are deceased. I didn't have time for any emotions I
had sisters, nieces, and the grandchildren to help through this
situation. At that point I had no allegence to CSX they owed me common
courtesy for the loss of a loved one especially after 30 years of
service. The C&O would of never thought of such rude behavior. In fact
when I was still working an after I retired when people ask who I
worked for it's always the C&O which just happens to be part of CSX.

Name: one
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 06 November 2010

Charge him too,

Did you graduate from school?   You can't spell or write...

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 06 November 2010

Flexability is the key and the CSX has very little. Why you wonder?
UNION!

RRJ 8 days for a death in the Family. I would charge ya to.

Now comes the most inportant point of the conversation 600 miles to
travel. Now with a little flexability, and reason this is a whole new
Ballgame. 
I as a manager would add 1.5 days to each end of the standard 3-4 day
leave for a close relative, simply based on mileage and approve a max
of 7 days in this situation. You would still be excessive, however as
we know the CSX does not have Flex.

Name: Joe Foreskin
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 04 November 2010

To all you lay-off complainers; If your union officer is not doing
enough, recall them! And if you are only entitled to layoff once a 
month, do-it all together! Who's the guy that got harass so much-he
got 
a migraine while on duty with a hot train? Common sense prevails at all
times. Duh!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 04 November 2010

Lloyd

Everyone on here with the exception of NoMo takes my post in the wrong
way. I couldn't have dealt with this new attendance policy. Even
though it did get easier the last few years when I went into the yard.
In 2006-7 I had 2 letters and 3 investigations over the last attendance
policy. This all happened while trying to help my Mother who took ill
and lived 600 miles away. I'm thankful to my LC and RFE for squashing
most of them because they knew I exhausted all vacation and PL days
before getting to that point. I finally had to sign a waiver for some
overhead for 6 months. In 2008 I met Linda Ballentine in JAX while we
were down at CMC to coordinate the bid system. We got in a heated
discussion over her lack of compassion. I told her that it was
surprising that she didn't charge me for the 8 days off to attend my
Mothers funeral. Her response was it was excessive an if she could of
she would of. I have no love for these people I dispised them but I
knew one has to except what they can not change. Believe me, we tried.
The union isn't doing anything to stop it. Getting frustrated only
hurts the individual the railroad doesn't care. I've always stated
that if it gets to bad quitting is the option. But you know and I know
there are those that abuse laying off it makes it tougher on those that
work regular.

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 03 November 2010

Hey Nomo, last time I checked the BLE dues are cheaper than the
UTU...although it's probably only 10 dollars or so.  

To the guy complaining about the attendance policy, yes..this is the
biggest fucking joke I've ever seen.  I really wonder where our union
is during all this.  I also wonder why we even take this shit outside
of the fact we know because this economy is so bad we have to sit here
and take this company's crap.  I'd like to know just exactly what
someone is supposed to do if they get sick or their family member gets
sick more than a couple of days a month who doesn't have FMLA.  I
think everyone out here is just about to boil over and it's only a
matter of time before someone goes completely crazy and blows a bunch
of people away or takes it out on their family.  To say that this
company has any ethical standards is about the biggest laugh I've ever
had.  And RRJ, before you rant about my rant, I'm in the process of
looking for other employment, but it's not easy to find these days old
fella.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 03 November 2010

The BLE dues are $180/month? 

No wonder there hasn't been a tidal wave of former UTU members
joining. What are the UTU dues? When I left I think they were about
$70/month and the Engineers were bitching because the BLEt dues were
approaching a $100/month.

Name: I'mcharged
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 03 November 2010

Just recieved a letter in the mail.   

Im on a fp with no off days.  I laid off sick  at 2200 marked up at
1022.  I was off for more than 1 day in 28.   

What a great place to work for.   


Dear Ble,

Can  I have my 180.00 back since I'm not really represented.

Dear CSX,

Stop lieing to public about your great employees.  When were treated
like you hate us.

Name: KCJONES
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 02 November 2010

To Hottytotty
   Get another boyfriend that doesn't work on the RR!!!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 02 November 2010

wow rrj i didnt know that they sold theyre men back in 1993, no kidding
we already know that, they sold their "BLANKABLE" rights, yes there
is a difference, but you wouldnt know that! and the union meeting that
us "lads" shoudlve showed up to right?  WRONG , you mean the private
meeting for those 26 guys was held at a hotel and POST 1985 guys werent
allowed to attend! But atleast theres comfort in knowing that the
switchman that took promotion to engineer, will never get that money!
So before you post about new guys not go to meeting you have absolutely
no fucking idea about, just keep to yourself and shut the FUCK UP, and
nomo you have no idea either!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 01 November 2010

THANK YOU FOR THE INFO ON BALTIMORE COAL PIER.DAMN,I THOUGHT THIS WOULD
HAVE BEEN A COOL PLACE TO WORK CONSIDERING THE SIZE OF THIS COMPANY, OH
WELL I JUST KEEP PUSHING DIRT. THANKS AGAIN!!!!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 31 October 2010

Nope not the same guy jagoff RRJ, dont know shit about baltimore, nor do
i care, worked at barr yard over ten years as a switchman asshole, not a
foamer like you. But heres the BIG PICTURE, do you not realize youre on
a website CSX-SUKS.com , not ILOVECSX.com, so what the hell do you
expect when people come on here bitching about csx dickhead, yet you
throw in your worthless 2 cents about shit! You oldheads fucked the
railroads more than anybody, and now we have to pay the price, you guys
sold shit and gave it away for youre own benefit, so suck it!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 30 October 2010

Hey RRJ, just wanted to say fuck you, you jag off, its the oldheads like
you that sold everyone out, thats made everyones job harder! You
dicksheads sold the fireman, flagman, headman. You rant about everyone
bitching on here, how many times you switch by yourself and do
industries by yourself cocksucker! Hell even the oldheads at barr yard
sold their blankable switchman rights for $100,000.00 a piece last
year, and fucked every guy below them, Gen. chairman John Lesniewski
worked out that deal for his buddys, oh, and they put a no furlough
clause in there, the next week they started furloughing, so you and
every other sell out can take a flying fucking leap! Csx paid $2.6
million dollars to the 26 oldhead switchman last year! Yet us non
protected guys couldnt even get our lunches paid! Then these same
oldheads, who we used to let sleep and watch movies on the second unit,
for letting us be the foreman, have the gall, after they sold out to ask
for a line up coming the yard, yea heres you line up cocksucker, GET
FUCKED AND LINE YOU OWN SWITCHES, YOU DIDNT DO SHIT FOR OVER 10 YEARS
ON THAT SECOND UNIT!  So in conclusion RRJ, GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU CRUSTY
OLD BASTARD, I HOPE YOU DONT COLLECT RR LONG!

Name: hottytotty
E-mail: 
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for 1-10 years
Posted: 30 October 2010

I am a conductors girlfriend. does anyone have any advice or tips for me
on making this relationship work. so far I am feeling like i am waaaay
too rowdy for lovins to only get them every few days. input?

Name: Todesengel
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 29 October 2010

NoMo
You are right,again. I've been saying this from day one.Just do as
your told,abide 100% by the rules and let them call the shots.You can
as I do,laugh all the way to the bank or investment broker.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 28 October 2010

I AM CONSIDERING TAKING A EQUIPMENT OPERATOR POSITION IN BALTIMORE AT
THE COAL PIERS.CAN ANYBODY FILL ME IN ON WHETHER IT IS WORTH MY TIME TO
ACCEPT THIS OFFER?

Name: overhere
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 20-30 years
Posted: 28 October 2010

We don't here anymore about our new attendance policy.   Thank You Ble
and Utu for letting this happen.  Thank you fellow employees for
letting this slide by like everything else.  We pay too much in union
dues not to be getting anything done.  The Holidays are upon us, unless
you have no family life the odds are you will be getting charged.

I don't agree with the man who lays off regular but I like him a lot
more than the no good  sob who lives out here.  

You can't live forever and money is not the awnser to your problems. 
Were sorry you hate your wife or she as a spending problem. Maybe if
you spent more time with her and the kids you would get to know them.
If you keep living out here demanding no off days on the pools.  There
will be someone else who will fill your spot at home when your not
there.

Name: EX CSX T&E
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 28 October 2010

Does anyone know what Tom Wolfe is doing? And has he paid for his
"sins" and coverups as a manager?

Name: doctor white
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 October 2010

Where do we start ! Safety ; everyone wants to go home the same they
came to work. working road switcher jobs and yard jobs with excessive
walking and and protecting shove moves is unsafe for one man. All the
while trying to keep your work order scores on top of the mark so the
trainmaster want get his rear end eat out.The railroad wants there cake
& eat it to, there is to much work for one man to do while keeping your
scope set on safety. The amount of work they want you to do is not
within the safe limits of what one man can accomplish. I am a short
timer and have seen many changes in my 34yrs of service. I can only
hope that my railroad brothers & sisters can adhere to these
unrealistic changes that the railroad is determined to shove down there
throats. Code of etchics this word is used very often by the railroad,
They do not begin to know the meaning of the word. Trainmasters , road
foreman of engines, crew callers, and the list goes on & on. Rudeness -
harassment - intimidation - all are parts of life on the CSX RAILROAD.
Marcus Calhoun Mcant is a fine example of a cat with 9 lifes. All of
the conflicks this man has been involved in brought on by his rude -
raccist- ignorant remarks and actions and this man still has a job with
good old C.S.X. I could just PUKE.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 27 October 2010

Hey RRJ:

I always considered working the road more like a marathon than a
sprint. I always put down rest on both ends. Occasionally I would mark
off a trip after 30 days but usually it was every 60 days. I had no
problem letting CSX wait on my rest to be up before running
that hot train.

It's hard to stay rested on a four hour nap every 28 hours...which
explains seeing the con sleeping as his train rolls by or any number
of other careless mistakes.

There was a con over in Pensacola that would run for 90 days if not
longer. I guess the HOS law makes running like that impossible any
more...even at that, a lack of sleep makes one tired!!!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 October 2010

dls

Do you draw a paycheck? Do you support your family? That's the main
reason for working. You stated the work is not the problem. I've never
had anyone look at me with sympathy when asked about my occupation
mostly they were curious to meet someone who worked for a railroad. It
was surprising to hear how many actually think trains are run by a
computer. No one would ever tell anyone it was an easy way of life. The
unions have been in flux way to long the members need to unify to have
their voices heard that's not happening it's the members fault. Union
participation at meetings has shrunk seems people think they're owed
when it's never been that way. Everything we do in life is a work in
progress.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 October 2010

NoMo

We had the same type claim agreement ours was 30 minutes waiting on a
van. Some trainmasters tried to intimidate the new conductors. Some
lied with the hurry up and put off we'll have a train ready when your
rested BS. They never tried that one with anyone who had any time in
service. The biggest challenge was making the new hires see that a
trainmaster was not your friend. Of course over time they would learn
it the hard way. Biggest problem I noticed there's no unity anymore.
It's a basic strategy divide and conquer.

Name: tomatoe
E-mail: towen16@hotmail.com
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 26 October 2010

so i guess now you get charged under the attendance policy for days that
you work and mark off sick....i just did

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 26 October 2010

Hey RRJ:

They either have it or they don't...most of the young guys don't and
won't be around long enough to catch on.

The hotel van use to pick us up at Gentilly. There was an obscure
claim in the L&N contract that, if I recall correctly (even if I
don't, you'll get the idea) allowed for an 8 hour penalty claim
if the van wasn't at the yard within 20 minutes of tie up. During the
rush hours it was an impossibility they would be on time.

I don't recall ever getting the full 8 hours but I did get several 4
hour claims. Finally, we were told rather than putting off and calling
the van; to call the van first then put off...which is what I did. I
just didn't hit enter until the van pulled up. If you're on the
property, you're on duty.

The new guys are so intimidated by their lofty responsibility they lose
sight of what they're there for...to make money. Little do they realize
that most of them are gone before they ever pull the first pin.

So they need to make the most of it while they can!

Name: dls
E-mail: dls9350@embarqmail.com
Employed as: APE, for 10-20 years
Posted: 26 October 2010

ok so the RR has decided to tighten the screws again! i hired out in 98
as a road trainman/brakeman/coductor, went to engineer school in 03,
was cut back from 03 until about a month ago. im still on the bubble,
working two XBs as a BK, i dont know what if ill be running or walking
one week from the next, much less be able to make plans for my
family/doctor/mental health etc...dont get me wrong, i love what i do..
its the WAY we live on-call, with no certainty or stability. now i know
what you guys are thinking, "if u dont like it than quit", i agree
with you 100%, and im trying. im tired of the politics, the looking
over you shoulder, the fear of not jumping through the proper hoops,
the missed family functions, the shitty union, the feeling that your
basically pissing in the wind...this job used to have something called
prestige, thats long gone. people ask "what do you do for a living"
and of course my response would be "I Work For The RR" only to get a
look of sympathy. i know im not the only one that feels this way, but
the worse thing ive ever done was hire out for CSX............

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 26 October 2010

NoMo

There was more than one time I'd have Speedy Gonzales putting off the
time ticket while I was still on the locomotives securing and shutting
them down. I'd go ballistic chew their arse out that I was still
performing work seeing he put us off if I got hurt CSX wouldn't be
responsible because it was considered trespassing. The second question
was did he call the yardmaster an order us a PTI for the hotel 99.5% of
the time they didn't do it. I hope they learned something by now.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 25 October 2010

Hey RRJ:

That's right...they don't get paid for thinking, leave that up to the
college boys and sons of management, That's what they get paid to do!

Like the man said, use to be you waited for the call so you could get
to work...and if the caller was late you got worried and called them.
You got to work, got busy and switched 350 or more cars went home.
Usually with a 2+ hour quit. 

On CSX it wasn't 9/11, it was 3/04...the day Darth Ingram and the Dark
Side came to power. Darth may be gone, but his minions live on.
CSX is their railroad now. The men and women just need to sit back, do
what they're told, as safely as they can, abide by all their rules and
enjoy a good laugh. The time is coming when all this BS
will bite them in the ass. The best part of that will be they have no
one to blame but themselves.

I had a chuckle with your tale of the new hire hurrying on OT to tie
hand brakes. Reminds me of running on a treadmill...regardless of how
long or how fast you run, you're in the same spot when you're
finished that you started from...just a lot sweatier!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 25 October 2010

LE 10-20

Give CSX what they want. Do your job check it then recheck it multiple
times if need be. They created this mess let them wallow in it. I got
to a point where I let them make the decisions. It didn't matter if I
could get something done in half the time. I'd get newbies that would
do a fast paced walk to tie handbrakes securing the train all while
being on overtime. I'd make sure they needed to put more on to slow
them down. I'd ask them who are they trying to impress? One in
particular when I'd ask him to slow down told me he came from the
resturant business before the railroad. I had to inform him this pizza
didn't need to be delivered in 30 minutes or less. Running at a fast
pace with no experience leads to run thru switches, crossed couplers,
unopened angle cocks, downed airhoses ect...it was nerve racking trying
to keep an eye on them. It's not their fault CSX trained them in a
short amount of time. Having an ill trained work force has led to all
these rule changes. Gaurenteed extra boards led to the attendance
policies. When there wasn't any gaurentees the extra boards were
loaded down it was feast or famine but someone on a regular freight
pool could get time off.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 24 October 2010

I would just like to say I am celebrating my 2nd year being OUT OF THIS
CRAP HOLE!!!  I worked at the Pentagon my first year out and now work
for the state of Minnesota.  I truely enjoyed the work while I was at
CSX (my safety record speaks for itself). However, I saw the future and
what it has become (and I was only there for 4 years.  God knows the
changes the old timers have seen).  I enjoyed the work and had fun
doing the job.  But the politics became way too much.  Some people
getting favortism more than others (example: a man, sorry, I mean a
drug dealer has 47 missed calls within half of a year.  YES, 6 months).
 He was never taken out of service until a new Superintendant came in
(by the way, we went through 3 Superintendant's the "4" years I was
there).  Oh, and by the way, this other crew derailed equipment (their
fault) and went to investigation.  Only to leave INVESTIGATION with two
tickets to the Orioles game that night!!!  Yeah, that WANNA-BE
Superintendant is no longer with us, nor is the train crew who probably
thought they just got a night in Beverley Hill's with just two tickets
to the Orioles game!!!LMAO  By the way, they are no longer with CSX
Baltimore division either.  Back to my subject at hand, this "47
missed call" guy happened to be the nephew or cousin of a mentor for
all new hires in Baltimore. The mentor was demoted back to train
service and his "47 missed call" family member was fired.  Let alone
this POC had a horrible safety record!!!  NOW, I heard there is ANOTHER
Superintendant in Baltimore (this is number 4 ladies and gentleman in 6
years)!!

My point being this, when I signed my application for CSX, I am pretty
sure (somebody tell me if I am wrong) it said "EQUALL OPPORTUNITY
EMPLOYER".  Mr. Ward (or Mr. VP or whoever), you need to make your way
to Baltimore and show them how this is ACTUALLY PRACTICED!!!  Because
GOD KNOWS the union officials are not doing it!!  Oh sorry, they are
already in your left hand pocket!!  All the more reason I am up here,
behind a desk, making DAMN NEAR twice as much as I was making as a
conductor..LOL  However, I loved what I did and have respect for the
men and woman who still do it (since I was once in their position).With
that being said, write this down Michael Ward (and every other demon in
your regime)!!  "The way you treat your people is the work ethic you
get in return"!!!!!  You should remember this line Michael!!!  You
might not have such a bad record for derailments, injuries, etc..  
Have a safe CSX day!!;0);0);0)  For the rest of the hard working Men
and Woman in train service, good luck with your careers.  Keep it on
the rails!!

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 24 October 2010

It all went south after Ingram was hired...since then it's been
tales of woe! 

CSX was a good place to work before Ingram. Anyone who hired in after
Ingram was hired (3/04) never knew that. They probably heard
it but didn't believe it.

Although it seems to have gotten better post Ingram, I doubt CSX will
ever be an employee friendly environment again...at least as long has
corporate management and Wall St. maintain their mentality.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 24 October 2010

Do you guys remember how the job was 10 years ago? 20 years? ....
I remember I used to enjoy coming to work, I looked forward to the
phone ringing. The long hours were like spending time in a social club
with friends while getting a job done and done well. Attendance wasn't
a problem like it is now, hell, sometimes I had to be reminded to go
home.
Now every day is quite possibly your last, every effort is made to
create new reasons and ways to terminate your employment. It's nerve
wrecking to look over your shoulder, check the weeds and constantly
watch for anyone looking for a screw-up on your part. The spying,
set-ups, tricks and making every minor violation a major. Sometimes I
feel like I should stay home today just because I get the eerie feeling
I will be fired today. It makes no sense at all, but I feel like the
less time I spend at work, the fewer chances I have of loosing my job.
Is it just me?
I have another 10 years before retirement, It feels like a prison
sentence sometimes. Can I make it all the way with the way things are
now? Do I want too? Why do I think like this now? .....

.... It's the CSX attendance policy! It's an awful way to treat
people. It's even worse to treat loyal, long term employees who have
devoted their working lives to this company in such a manner.
When did Jacksonville completely lose it's humanity? What a shame.

Name: Alabama T&E
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 23 October 2010

You said the Touchstone Trainmaster in Alabama vanished and she was
seeing T.E. Miller? Is she still employed or did she leave due to the
affair?

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Train Master/ supervisor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 20 October 2010

Last poster: Corruption is out of controls at all levels!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 20 October 2010

Keep yours eyes on the bouncing ball. There is an old saying in the
upper echelon of management; "the more we harass them the more they
will not know how much money we really make." [The Robber Barons] The
top four railroad CEO's are already worth $100,000,000.00 each and no
one seems to want to discuss how over paid they are. Operation
efficiencies could be greatly improved if another crew member were
available to expedite train speeds. The missing trainman earnings has
allowed the "robber barons" to "legally" stuff their pockets for
the lack of improving train speeds for personal greed.   
Moreover, could the railroads survive if all employees were subjected
to the same type of (sleep deprivation, noise trauma, chemical
exposures, constant harassment, constant exposure to close calls and
incompetent union officers) daily conditions as train crews? 
I encourage all of you to write your local congressional leaders to
address improving the working of all your fellow employees!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 20 October 2010

BLET needs a change in leadership! The same cast of characters that are
in office now are linked to the corrupt leaders the past 20 years.
Nothing will change if we all stay on the sidelines hoping for a
change.
None of the current leaders are worthy of any position of leadership
as they stood idly by knowing the PAST ousted leaders were on the take.

Break the chain; wipe the fucking slate clean!
VOTE FOR TOM BRENNAN

Name: bigbeard
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 19 October 2010

SSA   I work under the B&O are we going under this?

Name: UTU hater
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 17 October 2010

http://utu974.com/Cram_Down_Arbitration.pdf

Only four pages.  Wow.  Just wow.

Name: UTU hater
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 17 October 2010

Well surprise surprise we got the SSA forced on us.  It is offical.  At
least the L & N will get New York Dock protection, the C & O, SCL, and
A & WP do not.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 16 October 2010

Hey RRJ:

I don't think Goober is talking about Krylon!:)

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 15 October 2010

To RRJ,

Your post from 10/15 is the best post I have ever seen from any RR
employee or retiree. CSX will pass this one around for a while.

No Runs's
No Drip's
No Error's

Really nice job, thanks
Goofy

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 15 October 2010

NoMo

With the railroad it constantly changes. In the past not as drastic as
the last 7 years since Ward. Under Ingram rules changes were literally
bombarded on everyone it seemed every few weeks a new rule bulliten it
was difficult to keep up with it. A lot of times you learned about it
thru crew room bullschidt sessions. I had to admire the ones who would
dissect the train orders and new bullitens sometimes for an hour or
more in the crew rooms. The trainmaster on duty would go bullistic
there wasn't a darn thing he could do about it. Mostly they were the
ones working the ID runs couldn't blame them with 2 subdivisions and
196 miles of another railroads line to run. 

I have to agree where does anyone find the time to do anything more
than work. Most new hires in Richmond on the C&O side went straight
into the yard after promotion. Working the remotes because no one with
any time out here wanted anything to do with it. When it came time for
engine service they were dumb as a box of rocks. They forgot everything
didn't even know a signal other than clear & stop and that was
questionable. My peers complain about the changes but are smart enough
to adapt of course the goal of retirement is a lot closer. 

As for CSX stock being up it's still down compared to 2007. It's the
same with all the railroads. This country needs the transportion sector
to show signs of life. If they're flat then the country is.
Transportation is one of the lifelines.

Name: robofuq
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 14 October 2010

Working for CSX requires patience, and a high tolerance for bullshit. 
The way things are, are the way it's gonna be for the forseeable
future.  Forget about logic, reason, and productivity.  The rules are
the rules, even if it makes no sense.  There is no point in arguing. 
Force yourself to work by the book, and eventually it becomes habit.
Anything that is questionable, put it someone else's hands. If you
don't know, ask or look it up. And show up for work.  A 40 yr Conrail
man taught us at Konductor Kolledge, pre Redi center, that the best way
to stay out of trouble is, when the phone rings, go to work. Yeah, the
hours suck, and the time away from family takes a toll. Eventually, you
get some whiskers, and you can make the big money you always hear about.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 14 October 2010

Hey RRJ:

Back in the days I was working for CSX I was just too busy working
to get caught up in all the minutia the employees today seem to be 
upset with. I heard all the talk...like conversations in a bar, it was
just noise.

I really didn't realize how bad CSX was until after I was gone; and
had time to think about what was being said and put into context with
my personal knowledge and experiences. Granted the dynamics of working
for CSX has changed in the years since I've been gone. CSX was a
pretty good place to work when I hired out...it changed after Ward took
over and hired Ingram.

What I have a hard time with is understanding how the employees have
time to bitch when they are so busy working? Most of the complaints
come from new hires or employees with just a couple of years service.

Furlough time is here and not one complaint about being cut off yet.
It appears that regardless of what CSX does some employees will
complain...they're either working too much or not at all. I always
thought the entire purpose of working was to make as much money as you
could. Unless you're an senior executive your income is largely
dependent on the hours you work.

I think they need to focus on the larger picture, the brass ring if you
will...retirement. If they keep that in mind all the rest of the bull
shit will fade away. If they can't, they might as well get out while
they can...the longer they stay the harder it will become to leave. 

With regard to the comment about earnings being up 48% over the same
period last year...the number is deceiving. I suggest a comparison
with the third quarter of 2007 would be a better yardstick as the
economy was in the crapper in '08 and '09.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 14 October 2010

There you go, earnings up 48% and they still treat the employees like
shit!

People make the difference!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 14 October 2010

Quit. It's that easy. All anyone should care about right now is their
fortunate to have a job. With CSX it still pays pretty good. Go to
railroad.net there are hundreds of people applying for the railroads
and with a lean job market they're eager to work. Schidt on a slow
year conservatively an engineer or conductor makes over $60,000. My
last year working I made around $46,000 in 7 months on a yard job. Who
gives a crap about policy or how much CSX contributes to lobbying or
political campaigns. Ya'll forget it's about a paycheck & benefits
nothing more. If you could make more working somewhere else you should
of left a long time ago. It's never to late. If you've gotten to the
point you're past the threat of furloughs feel fortunate that alone is
a big accomplishment. Apparently some haven't struggled enough to
appreciate what they have at CSX. Everyone I know who left the railroad
by choice or not regrets it.  

Goob, I'm not talking about you so don't go there it's people I
know.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 13 October 2010

CSX SUCKS SHIT!

Your daughters sick, have to run to the hospital, car breaks down,
death in the family....it all doesn't matter, you will be fired!

Won't hire enough people, wants to cut overtime, still wants to work
people into the ground.

Cheapest outfit you have ever seen in your life!

Most unethical company that I have ever worked for!

CSX-SUCKS.COM

CSX-CORRUPTION.COM

Keep the websites coming, let the truth be heard!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 13 October 2010

Conrail is a complete different issue. Especially up in New York ect...I
applaude them they managed not to stuck with the BLET/SSA crap. I really
can only speak of Chessie System which didn't hire engineers off the
street after 1978 they offered transfers internally from all crafts.
The one difference was trainmen were allowed to keep their seniority
all other crafts had to give it up. 

Goob, What can I say. Your right engineers in those departments it
would be salary.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 20-30 years
Posted: 12 October 2010

CSX hired engineers off the street right after the Conrail take over in
Buffalo and Rochester N.Y. I know this for a fact, I turned the job
down.  A few yrs. later ended up in Selkirk as a yardmaster and quit
about 8 months later. Now working a short line in South Florida and
loving it....

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 12 October 2010

Oh by the way the overtime, and double time thing is also a myth.
Managers get Salary and that is it (in most cases). RRJ is dreaming
again about Managers hauling in the bucks, screwing over the union
folks and living the high life.

Ask a Trainmaster how many hours they work, young kids trying to make a
living, with an education to back them up, it is tough on both sides.

As far as no Locomotive Engineers hired by CSX from the street since
the early 80's I question that also. As I recall some RR had schools
and others did OJT. Many did the OJT got paid for it and ran to a
better deal.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 12 October 2010

Engineer's

Most with this title are on salary---- not on call employees!

Now the 3 trillion Locomotive Engineers the CSX has is a whole nother
story. Per RRJ

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 12 October 2010

Employee in other

What year did you hire out? CSX hasn't hired a locomotive engineer off
the street since the early 1980's. If then. Which sort of discredits
your post unless your talking an engineer in the mechanical dept or
track dept. Which they might be on call 24/7 but it's not all that
common unless it's an emergency. Most I've known didn't mind seeing
it's time and a half on week nights or double time on weekends. Big
Bucks!

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 11 October 2010

Hey MoW <1:

I'm not harassing anyone...obviously you don't know what harassment
is but you will find out if you're with CSX much longer. You might
also want to look up the definition of "rant".

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: M of W, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 11 October 2010

Hey NOMO why don't youo stop harrassing all the newcomers your rants
make you sound like you are a retard, you must not be getting any at
home.

Name: Rob
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 11 October 2010

I was hired and told them I had a wedding to attend in 6 months, my own.
I could not get this day off, they laughed in my face, I quit.You will
be lucky to get one day off.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 11 October 2010

I hate csx it ruined my brothers marriage and eventually he took his own
life, they were slave drivers. I read these posts and I know they speak
truths. How can such a giant company have so many dissatisfied
employees? CSX DOES SUCK. It has been a year now and I would steer
every potential employee in another direction.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 11 October 2010

Hey Other:

In that case you should post under Spartacus:

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spartacus

Just leave your loin cloth on the next time you pose for a statue!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 11 October 2010

Attendance policy? You may as well have a gps tracking system implanted
into yourself, you will be on call 24 hours a day, they are your new
master. Your time is not your own when you are off! Get used to giving
up family life and being talked to like you are the bad seed. I was
hired as an engineer but My role is of a slave.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: M of W, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 10 October 2010

The redi center SUCKS, you are treated like an infant. I would prefer to
be thrown offa bridge into a lake of fire.

Name: bob gardner
E-mail: bridgetenderbob@hotmail.com
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 10 October 2010

I was hired in Cinccinati Ohio and would like to say to all those just
applying or going t the redi center....GET OUT while you can. I have
seen families ripped apart by csx, they have you in their grips 24
hours a day. They treat you like shit and talk to you like your
garbage. I never saw my wife or kids, sent me to the redi center and
that SUCKED. I witnessed men cheating on their wives, going to strip
clubs, getting high and drunk. If you have any moral ethics, run as far
as you can away from csx. I was hired as a bridge tender and they put me
on as a track worker, I had a heart attack 3 weeks later. They work you
like dogs and unless your 25 expect some health problems. RUN AWAY FROM
CSX AS FAST AND AS FAR AS YOU CAN.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 09 October 2010

LE 1-10

I don't have a problem with other sites. I have a problem when the
facts don't make sense. I found to many inconsistencies with the
writers stories. A non-railroader wouldn't understand it. It's like
the movie "Runaway Train" when the cars become uncoupled we as
railroaders know it's impossible the train would go into emergency no
one closed the angle cock. Hollywood didn't check out it's facts
neither did the person writing the articles on this new site. Two
stories make the writers guilty of the offenses they accuse CSX of, the
"racist clerk" no one reported it so it never happened because there
is no documentation, the crossing accident the writer must of falsified
documents on the locomotive report as to the accuracy of the speed
recorder but now wants to accuse CSX of a conspiracy. Being a
disgruntled employee is one thing but this new site goes beyond being
disgruntled.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 08 October 2010

I still like the idea of more websites forming in respond to these
unethical crooks that we work for!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 07 October 2010

I went to the CSX-Corruption site. There are ignorant racist people
everywhere not just on CSX. This site CSX-Sucks had to defend it's
right to excist. Don't you think CSX will take on this new site? The
story posted about an incident in Abbeville, SC about a clerks racist
comment is hear-say because nothing was reported to an official by the
conductor, engineer, or conductor trainee. CSX does have the CSX Ethics
hotline that one could of reported this infraction without giving their
name. Was that done? No. This could be considered slander because no
action was taken at the time. There are no records of the incident. A
timeticket with someones name on it doesn't mean anything. If a CSX
employee started this site they better read their operating rule book
especially rules GR-2A, GR-12, GR-13. You might think you are protected
under the 1st Amendment rights but to defend the site would require
identifying oneself. That could lead to termination. If the
administrator has the convictions to defend their site at any cost I
applaude their actions. If they don't I'd be shutting it down.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 07 October 2010

New site with new forums dedicated to CSX.  Updated content!
Visit www.csx-corruption.com and/or enter the forums!  We need your
stories to give this company the attention it deserves.

 www.csx-corruption.com

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 1-10 years
Posted: 05 October 2010

You know, i sit and read post from employees and non-employees on this
web site and laugh.  All of you just sit here and complain.  If you
don't like the way things are, CHANGE THEM.  Go to school, get
educated, get promoted, and fix the problems.  90% of management in CSX
came from the ranks (Union).  Stop complaining get off your ass and do
something about it.  If you just complain about the the problems and
don't try to help, means your the main part of the problem.  

Your right, not all management should be in management.  Not all
managers are good managers.  Then again, not all employees should be
employees.  Not all people can work for the railroad.  Most railroaders
will tell you this is not the easiest job in the world.  If you can't
handle the job, leave.

Those who complain, and don't step up, need to get out of the way and
let others step up.  Those who step up, need not to complain and fix
the problems, or get out of the way and let others step up.

Name: AlabamaT&E
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 29 September 2010

I have heard the my supervisor L. Touchstone has strayed away from her
husband before with different men. Is she still married?

Name: Ex CSX
E-mail: 
Employed as: Train Master/ supervisor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 29 September 2010

Brian Stussie was arrested for DUI/DWI? Is he still working? Don't most
T&E people that he is an officer for get fired for this?

He is the pretty boy's mug shot.
http://southcentralregionaljail.info/?BookingID=2784018

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 29 September 2010

Here comes big lay-offs by halloween boys and girls!

BB&T Capital Markets analyst John Mims this morning reduced his ratings
on both CSX (CSX) and Norfolk Southern (NSC) to Hold from Buy, citing
concerns that the coal market could be weaker than previously expected.
He notes that both companies generate about 30% of revenue from
transporting coal.

“We believe that coal commentary will be increasingly bearish during
the Q3 earnings season,” he writes, and that both NSC and CSX could
come under significant near0-term pressure if guidance on eastern
utility and metallurgical coal is revised downward.  Mims adds that he
isn’t making a call here on Q3 earnings, but instead says the more
bearish stance is “a reflection of our belief that utility stockpiles
in the East (particularly the Southeast) will not burn down as fast as
the consensus view,” and that coal exports to Asia will slow in the
near-term.

Nonetheless, both stocks are trading higher in today’s strong market
rally:

CSX is up $1.52, or 2.8%, to $55.91.
NSC is up $1.78, or 3.1%, to $59.77.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 29 September 2010

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Railroad operator CSX Corp. spent $1.16 million
lobbying the U.S. government in the second quarter on issues including
federal transportation spending and antitrust enforcement.

The company spent $1.12 million in the previous quarter, and it spent
$1.5 million in the second quarter of 2009.

CSX lobbied on bills covering spending for freight, passenger and
high-speed rail and on a resolution calling for better security against
terrorist attacks aimed at rail and mass transit lines. It also lobbied
on railroad antitrust issues and corridors for inter-suburban commuter
rail service, according to a July 19 filing with Congress.

Besides Congress, the Jacksonville, Fla., company lobbied the
Transportation, Defense, Energy and Homeland Security departments, the
Environmental Protection Agency and the Office of Management and Budget

Name: T
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 27 September 2010

Was always curious why cd engineers didn't have rest days. Danville
does. And they can be turned off and on. I just thought the guys 
didn't want them. Seems like a no lose scenario if you can turn them
off. With the availability policy you'd think the men would be
screaming for rest days. Do you have a lot of turn jobs down there? Or
is it mostly lay-over in danville trips?

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 26 September 2010

That's correct. Rest days are negotiated by the LC. Rest days for
engineers have been around for a long time. Some locations decided not
to have rest days for fear it would deminish their earnings. Rest days
have always been voluntary not manditory meaning they can be turned on
or off. In the 2007 BLET/CSX SSA an agreement was established for early
mark off and late mark up. Evansville IN isn't the only terminal not to
have rest days try Clifton Forge, Va. CF might have them now not sure. 3
different rosters make up the ID pools those on the James River Sub
preferred no rest days while the Rivanna & Piedmont Subs wanted rest
days. It became a stale mate last thing I knew there still wasn't rest
days. CSX wasn't willing to split the pools. It's a local issue not a
national one.

Name: skybox
E-mail: 
Employed as: Yard Master, for 10-20 years
Posted: 23 September 2010

You can blame the no off days on your lc.

Name: skybox
E-mail: 
Employed as: Yard Master, for 10-20 years
Posted: 23 September 2010

I knew it was evansville,in   that place sucks   the cd really sucks


the company screw you guys like sheep

Name: W
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 23 September 2010

Skybox,   To rest your wandering mind, I work out of Evansville, Ind.
Are you aware of other terminals that the ENG.'s on pool assignments
don't have rest days?

Name: skybox
E-mail: 
Employed as: Yard Master, for 10-20 years
Posted: 22 September 2010

Hey W, 

I bet I know what terminal you work out of.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 21 September 2010

UFB...

  http://www.utu.org/worksite/detail_news.cfm?ArticleID=53307

Name: W
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 13 September 2010

Hey there UTU haters.  I wonder why it is the Engineer's Freight pool
assignments don't have assigned rest days like the Conductors?
As you guys may know the Conductors pools have rest days that can be
turned off or on depending on whether or not the employee wants to
observe his/her rest day.  


   Article 45-Off Days, Paragraph "A" of the BLET agreement  States
" All pool assignments will have at least one (1)assigned mandatory
rest day per week or two (2) mandatory rest days bi-weekly."  It sure
seems to me that with the current CSX availability policy the BLET
would enforce this article of the agreement and provide it's members
with some planned time off. If there are Engineer's off on rest days,
CSX would ahve to increase there boards to cover these vacancies. 
Kinda seems as though the BLET is doing exactly what the carrier wants.
 This doen'nt really surprise me much with the past history of the BLE
local chariman's at my terminal.

Name: KYLE
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 20-30 years
Posted: 12 September 2010

When i hired on at age 18 i used to hear a lot of the old heads talk
about when it was the brotherhood of railroad trainmen & conductors
union and how back then the union would fight like hell for the men and
all that changed when it became the U.T.U. and i can see it myself that
the u.t.u. is now in bed with the company officials, What we really
need is OPEN SHOP union, you would then see how fast the union would
start caring for the men, Did you know with CLOSED SHOP you can and
will get FIRED if you don,t pay union dues, Now if you don,t call that
being in bed with the company what the hell else is it?  We are being
forced to pay union dues but the utu don,t care a rats ass about the
members as long as the dues money keeps comming into cleveland ohio utu
headquarters from us closed shop suckers.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 08 September 2010

Well, I was just checking. Nothing changes. Have a miserable life. It
seems that's all you know. Poor poor pitiful fool.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 08 September 2010

Your ignorance amazes me........

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 08 September 2010

I never stated respect for me but for my generation. The problems going
on today didn't come about because of us. The voting power has been in
your generations hands as the majority for quite sometime. It's your
generation that will be affected by all the new technology. Sure
remotes took some yard jobs caused an inconvience to those who made a
carreer out of the yard but in the end my generation isn't affected by
the most important issue furloughs. Things didn't take a turn for the
worse till around 2004-2005 till then most legit claims were paid and
we didn't experience a lot of harrassment. It's the new railroad
isn't that what they preach at the REDI center. If change is going to
happen ya'll need to get started it's a long process which could take
decades.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 05 September 2010

Good one RRJ.  Why would I respect you? Tell me.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 05 September 2010

Thank's boy. Your making my point that you'll never amount to
anything. No respect. I know it's your daddy's fault he left your
momma when you were young or your momma breast fed you till you were 5
years old making you confused feeling abandoned when she cut you off.
Whatever it was it definitely made you one screwed up individual.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 04 September 2010

I figured you wouldn't....Can you please tell us one of your What is
was like in your day stories RRJ...please or how about one about how
things never change.   Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssseeeeeee.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 03 September 2010

You're one strange idiot. I'm not going anywhere.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 03 September 2010

RRJ
out..........(sigh).......(pause)......(chuckle)...........(cheering).........

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 03 September 2010

No, never been a mover or shaker just a railroader. A fact you'll never
understand. Like you wrote "Goodbye and Good Luck". Thank's I
appreciate it.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 03 September 2010

Goodbye and good luck in your your retirement RRJ...You were always a
mover and a shaker--thank you for the positive changes and insight you
have brought to this union.... an by all means stop by the meetings so
we can hear about what is was like in your day--because we care.

P.S. Your homework is late.......tsk tsk

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 03 September 2010

Cond 1-10

Thank's. I like those quotes they make perfect sense when you put them
all together. To bad you don't get it. You prefer to sit around licking
your cajones feeling sorry for yourself. What jobs are you talking
about? CSX wants to move more freight with less people. OK. That's
their job. CSX is hiring in most crafts. Locations depend on CSX's
needs. Only thing you have to worry about is if you have a job. Which
according to you furloughs haven't had any affect on you. Is it you
can't handle the railroad lifestyle? You want every weekend off plus
every holiday ect...that'll never happen. You people have more time
off then we ever did when we hired out and you still complain. You have
gaurenteed extra boards but that doesn't satisfy you. When we were on
extra boards it was feast or famine we never complained we took the
good with the bad knowing the only way up was thru seniority when
people retired. You made a choice to work out here you can make a
choice to quit just as easily in fact it's easier than when you got
hired just fill out resignation papers they can be printed on the
computers at work. You're a whiner. Before I retired with over 30
years I still couldn't hold an engineers yard job with weekends off in
fact couldn't even hold first trick so I settled for second trick. Did
I complain? Hell no, I took whatever was available for my seniority. I
did hold weekend rest days on the road but that was only every two
weeks. So after 30 years of road service I needed a break so I
excersised my rights in the yard. I loved working for the railroad that
doesn't mean I liked CSX. I didn't. It's all a game and to survive
one must learn how to play it.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 03 September 2010

FOR EVERYBODY...just some quotes from our good union brother RRJ in the
last week.  The force is strong with him--so to speak so let's listen
to his wisdom from this week..and be sure to look for common themes of
hope and prosperity for all rairoaders young and old

"They're good at double talk they've always been good at it
nothing has changed."

"Nothing has changed when I hired out no one told me a darn
thing about how it works on claims or how to file one ect..."

"Why is it 10 years ago we
had standing room only at meetings and today you barely get enough to
hold a meeting."

"Once my generation is gone there will be more changes all
downhill."

 Keep paying into railroad
retirement it keeps me happy.

"If you have a wife be kind to
her buy a riding lawn mower it beats the push kind"

"I
waited for over 25 years for the unions to grow a set of balls. "

"Sick out? It'll never happen"

"The unions could strike then but they
won't."

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 03 September 2010

Wow Nomo.. that's all you can come up with...You have the wrong
guy--never been Oregon (hear its nice though)...never been a foamer
(but I don't mind them) but you have proven your inability to believe
in change.  I am not going anywhere.  You are the one who should shut
your mouth and go home...Truth hurts NOMO 

RRJ.. Im done explaining thing to you.. because you only know what you
have seen and fail to look at the big picture.  I could type a book to
you going into detail about why a person with 15 years seniority WILL
lose their job in 5 to 8 years or be force to move to the new footprint
.  I will give you a homework assignment though...because you have
nothing else to do...Explain to me why you think everyone with nine
years seniority is an engineer and why there seniority will protect
them from the national organizational shift CSX is making to move more
freight with less people for less money for more profit from coast to
coast.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 03 September 2010

NoMo

I don't know if it's the foamer. It might be. Cond 1-10 references to
oldheads is those running the UTU in Cleveland. He has a point to some
degree. They're good at double talk they've always been good at it
nothing has changed. I haven't a clue what jobs he's trying to save
unless he's hung up on the "engineer only" crew shack rumors. Right
now there just rumors which doesn't mean it couldn't happen. We never
thought remotes could ever happen even though they were being used in
Canada for over a decade before coming down to us. If as he states he
has 9 years out here I don't see his fears. Then again after 9 years
why is he still a conductor? Could it be he passed on engine service
let a younger person take his place? I know a few who did it their
happy with their decision in fact they have good seniority as a
conductor. OR, is he the foamer. The UP opened the door in 2006 to the
possability of engineer only freight trains. The UTU with the support
of the BLET & BMWE shot it down with a lawsuit. That doesn't mean
it's over or maybe it does. It still doesn't mean someone has to
become paranoid. But he never goes in to detail just rants on an on
leaving no room for discussion.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 02 September 2010

man, I am so glad to be out of this hell hole!!!  Everyone is looking
out for number one!!!  I was there for 4 years and read between the
lines!!!!  I saw my furlough coming but needed the benefits!!!  So I
beat them to the punch and went out disability (with benefits) and
received a job JUST before the benefits went out.  The sad part, the
union official was more pissed at me than the damn company officials!! 
I wonder why that is??  Could it be because I gave (and most on here
still do) over $100.00 a month to a bunch of low life fags who were in
the companies left hand pocket who only know how to say "they can do
that, they can do that, they can do that. But hey, thanks for your
charity to the waterhead (aka, UTU & BLE) union.  We appreciate you
WAISTING your money!!"  The funny part is just that, I CAN LAUGH IN
YOUR
FACES!!!!!LLLLLLLLLMMMMMMMMAAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
 But hey, I love the UTU news letters I still get.  Keep them coming,
they make wonderful fire starters for winter!!!!!LMAO  The federal
gov't is the way to go people!!!

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 02 September 2010

This guy is the same dickweed that talked about having a father,
grandfather and uncle that worked for the RR about a year ago.
He's nothing more than a foamer...anyone that hangs around the BP
plant in Oregon, OH to watch trains is a loser. 

RRJ engaged him...didn't take long to figure him out. This chump
maybe 15 and drops by this site every few months and talks as if he
know something.

He posts under many names...Conductor 646 comes to mind...scroll back
and enjoy his ignorance. He loves unions and Democrats. What an 
piker...

You're busted again...go home, shut up and play with your chums. maybe
you can be the pivot man!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 02 September 2010

NoMo 

Man you are blind... You wrote "After 35 years of experience in the
work place, I can only tell you that CSX is no different than 95% of
other public companies" You are soooo wrong I can't even begin to
think about where to start.. but I am assuming you believe this because
the railroad is the only place you have worked  (besides maybe a paper
route) and what you read and see on tv about layoffs at big
corporations...(most of those people liked their jobs and the company
they worked for) so I guess your ignorance is not entirely your fault. 
Large public organizations strive to be on things like the Forbes "100
best places to work list" because they know that a happy employees
creates an environment like no other that will eventually drive
profits.  Do you  think CSX strives to be on this list? or any list?
Organization are creating family friendly work environments that allow
there employees to reach there potential personally and professionally.
 CSX is NOT like other companies.  You are mistaken. My beef is not with
the younger generation...It is with older that is currently in charge
and doing nothing to move this union forward.  I have not been
furloughed but fear with that in 5 years with 14 years on the property
I will be...The current older generation will bring about the demise of
the utu for conductors within ten years --guaranteed.  Is it to late for
the younger generation I fear because they have been brainwashed by
people like you telling them ..it can't be done?  At this point
--maybe it can't--but your not helping the situation by encouraging
that type of attitude.  Your missing the point this isn't about annual
furloughs and whining about safety. Its about saving a craft and
ensuring it future.  You old fucks won't change your minds or the way
you think  be you "know better"  Well--why don't you take what
little fight you have left and encourage a younger genration to stand
up and instead of encouraging the complaceny you have succomb to.. I
really don't know what side of the fence you stand on Nomo.  You seem
intelligent, but you should pick a side because your balls must be
aching from sitting on it............

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 02 September 2010

Hey Lloyd:

I haven't given up...the UTU and CSX both need major overhauls.

Am I wrong about complaining...only time will tell. Nothing changes
because of complaining. I complain all the time to my wife, nothing
changes and if it does, it only gets worse!

My wife, like CSX or the UTU could care less...she has her own problems
and doesn't mind telling me about them (most of them have to do with my
constant complaining...but that's neither here or there).

Change only occurs when it becomes obvious to the complainee that it's
in their best interest to change. CSX and the UTU have not reached that
conclusion yet. It doesn't help that the contract employees are so
splintered.

The thought has occurred to me that Ward, Brown and Sanborn are so far
removed from the line that they have no idea just how bad it is. Have
you ever seen the show "Undercover Boss" that airs on CBS?
Perhaps they should be nominated as the next "Boss". A couple of
weeks in the trenches as anonymous grunts and they will be packing
entirely new attitudes. Things would change in a hurry. You think
they're man or woman enough for the challenge?

The only thing complaining does is make the complainer feel better. The
old adage about talk being cheap and it's actions that count still
holds true, in other words don't tell someone you're going to kick
their ass...just do it; odds are it'll hurt a lot less. 

A strike would certainly get their attention...for an hour or two
before it quashed. It would serve no real purpose except pissing
them off more than they already are and guess who will pay...the
contract employees.

Like I said before, the contract employees have to change which will
cause the UTU to change. When that happens CSX may be convinced that
change is in their best interest!

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 02 September 2010

Hey Con 1-10:

I frankly don't care if you're content or not...it doesn't affect me
in the least. I've been gone for almost 5 years now so anything that
happens on CSX or the UTU is of no consequence.

I'm guessing you're new to the RR, less than two years and based on
your comments, less the 25. When you hired on, your experience was very
limited and there was star dust in your eyes. Now your tears have washed
it out you have a clear view of reality, or do you? You're on the
inside looking out and are too close to the problems to have an
unbiased view. Wait until your on the outside looking in. The view is
much different and you can see exactly how bad it really is. RRJ will
tell you the same thing, as will any other recently retired. If you
have time to sit around and ponder your predicament, you're leaving
far too much money on the table.

After 35 years of experience in the work place, I can only tell you
that CSX is no different than 95% of other public companies. If you
want to be treated like a member of the family, find a mom and pop
operation. Of course don't expect the same level of pay or benefits
but maybe mom and pop will know your name.

I may be old but with age comes wisdom and I can assure that I'm far
better educated than you'll ever be..so shut up and listen. You have
these big plans to change the union and the RR. Exactly, how do you
plan on accomplishing you stated goal? Yes the union and RR need a
serious overhaul, no argument there. However, in order to accomplish
that, the unions, CSX and the contract employees all must want to
change. As it stand now, some contract employees wish things were
different. Until the UTU membership stands united with a singularity of
purpose, nothing will change...the UTU won't and CSX certainly won't,
even though it's in both their best interest too. Your beef isn't
with RRJ, myself or any of the "old heads"; It's with the new hires
and those with less than 10 years service. They're the ones with the
numbers and power to make change happen. In the meantime
you are just pounding your head against a brick wall. Even if the
membership came together it would take years and years to effect
the sweeping changes needed to bring the unions and carriers into
the 22nd century.

The EAP is there to assist employees and help find professionals
in mental health, substance abuse, family and marriage issues. After
just a few years you're beyond being frustrated, you're bitter; just
imagine what it'll be like in another 2 or three years. Although I
don't think you'll last much longer without some help.

Everything you have posted on this site as been posted several times
before. In another 6 weeks or so furlough, I mean, bash the "old
head" season will be back and we can rehash that for the 
umpteenth time. You and everyone of your contemporaries have been
through several furlough cycles...do you really thing any one of them
will lose any sleep about a new hire being furloughed?. It's too bad
anyone gets furloughed but it's a fact of life. As long as you can
stay marked up you won't give it a second thought.

So much for a singularity of purpose!

Name: Freddie Krueger
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 02 September 2010

So, if I show up to work ill because of this attendance policy and get
hurt, I guess I can check off the box on the injury report that the
company has provided an unsafe work environment.

Name: Freddie Krueger
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 02 September 2010

Flu season is coming.  With the new attendance policy, I am wondering
how many will be going to work sick, and am interested to see the
increase in injuries and wrecks because of it.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 02 September 2010

J H

My BLET division took the inititive about 6 years ago to not allow the
LC to be on the safety committee or any railroad sponsored program. He
could attend he didn't get paid by CSX or the division. During
elections we added a slot to our voting ballots for the safety
committee. People are nominated for the postion and the members vote
for the person to represent them. That ends all conflict. The BLET
isn't in the CSX Safety Program. They dropped out around 1995. They
created their own the BLET SENSE program around 2003. It's only good
if people utilize it which they don't. 

Good one about the riding lawn mower. They thought I was joking.

Name: J H
E-mail: Fitzgerald GA
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 01 September 2010

in one or two post lately it was said that buy your wife a riding
lawnmower. well guess what I AM NOW RETIRED THREE YEARS AGO BUT BACK
YEARS AGO WHEN we were working 16hrs a day and deadhead didnot count on
your hrs and serivce I WAS GONE ALL THE TIME AND MY WIFE DID KEEP THE
GRASS CUT. WELL ON HER BIRTHDAY i ask her what she wanted and beleive
me she said just get me a riding lawnmower for I AM TIRED OF THIS OLD
PUSH MOWER. by the way she got her birthday gift. I JUST THROUGHT THIS
WAS WORTH SHARING. the men working today has it a lot better but they
also have to put upwith a lot of bull shit that I DIDNOT.nothing is
going to get better untill the engineers and the conductors join up
together and become one union and this may be a while yet for you have
too many union officers getting big pay checks and real big expence
accounts for doing very little except working against each other. you
are really just one group now for the engineers is from the conductors
roster.Csx likes it this way for they can use one against the other so
join together. I THINK THE SAFETY PROGRAM IS A GOOD THING BUT YOU ALL
SHOULD GET OUT UNTILL THE R.R. BEGIN TO SEE EVERYONE IS OUT TO WORK NOT
GET HURT. you will likely not ever see a strike where as I saw about
five in my career.THIS IS JUST ONE WAY YOU CAN FIGHT BACK GET THESE FEW
ASS KISSERS WHO IS ON THE CSX PAYROLL AND THIS INCLUDES YOUR LOCAL
CHAIRMAN OFF CSX PAYROLL FOR DOING NOTHING AND GETTING TIME OFF.IN my
last few years woRking I GOT TO HATING THE R.R. AND THE UTU FOR LETTING
EVERYONE DOWN.oh by the way enjoy the r.r. safety cookout eat that
burger for tomorrow that same trainmaster will be out hid to run you
off not to help you show this rr that they cannot buy you with a
cookout get together everyone stay away let the ass kissers get paid
for nothing which that is what they do anyway.YOU MUST PAY ATTENTION TO
WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE UNION AND THE RR.attend your union meetings in
the mean time see for yourself what is going on for you have just a
certain few running everything that just affects them.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 01 September 2010

Lloyd

Whatever happened to people asking questions? Union meetings would be a
good start. Nothing has changed when I hired out no one told me a darn
thing about how it works on claims or how to file one ect...it was a
learning process. If someone wants to stay ignorant that is their
right. When I joined the UTU in 1977 I was at the next meeting to
listen and learn. I didn't sit around waiting for them to come
knocking on my door. It would of been a long wait. It's called taking
the inititive. CSX has hired some military that doesn't mean anything
out here. I got hired on the C&O because of my DD-214. It only gave me
an edge over others to get hired. It didn't give me special statis on
the railroad. It did give me the discipline to handle any situation.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 01 September 2010

Point well taken I don't count anymore because I retired. I'll always
be a member of the BLET. I was an officer in the BLE & BLET from the
mid'80s till retirement. If I choose to go to a union meeting once or
twice a year that's my right. Most likely after last months meeting
there's no need seems people have given up. Why is it 10 years ago we
had standing room only at meetings and today you barely get enough to
hold a meeting. People think their entitled because they pay dues. They
leave it all up to a local chairmen who unfortunately is overloaded and
a working LC that has to support a family. Union meetings is where
change starts not on this frigging site. This site is just a bitch
session.

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 01 September 2010

Hey Con 1-10, don't be so harsh on Nomo, he is usually on here to bash
the company any way he can and although I think he has given up, I
think he still has a lot of fight left and a lot of anger towards this
company.  
RRJ is another story.  RRJ thinks the entire new generation is a "ME"
generation and although some of the younger guys out here may have that
attitude, most come from the military and just about all the ones I
have met are pretty good people.  

I've been posting on here for over a couple of years now and I think
the fight between the unions and the company is really going to get
nasty here soon.  Everyone you talk to is sick and tired of the way
this company treats people and when you ask people if they like how CSX
operates the answer is NO 100 percent of the time.  People are either
ready to quit, strike, or people try and take advantage of the system
and screw others.  I think Nomo is wrong when he says that complaining
about these things wont go anywhere because eventually something will
happen.  These new company policies are literally breaking people down
and the new FRA regs really didn't make anything better for us.  I've
told RRJ before that more people read this site than he thinks and that
includes trainmasters, people from Jacksonville, and many T & E
employees who are just afraid to speak their mind on here. These posts
dont always fall on deaf ears.  

One of the biggest problems I find out here is the people who do have
union positions don't inform the guys who work out here well enough. 
From claims to new policies, it seems everything gets shoved down our
throats whether we like it or not.  I find it kind of funny that I'm
in a union who can basically only "try" and save my ass if I am fired
or a union who just accepts things for what they are and takes about as
long as a slug would to take action.  I also believe there are many out
here who have just accepted things for what they are and are content
with the railroad way of life because thats all they know.  I've said
it before and I'll say it again, it really is time to talk about a
strike.  Whether it will last long or we will get anything out of it is
beyond me but it sends a message that people are tired of their shit. 
Besides, what do most of us have to lose?  They are going to try and
get rid of all of us anyway as soon as PTC is implemented.  Sure will
be fun running a train down the road all alone.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 01 September 2010

RRJ

Your assessment wasn't really that accurate considering you can't
even spell accurate..

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 01 September 2010

You guys are seriously a sad bunch (nomo and RRJ)....sad sad sad sad. 
Telling me to be content and wait until your generation is gone and
then things will get worse because we arent protected. Why would I do
that??? YOU ARE AS DUMB AS THE DAY IS LONG! You two are the ones with
deaf ears.. You have given up and RRJ is retired so he doesn't even
count--his opinion has no value--he's done and good riddance. (yet he
still goes to unions meeting and is on this site hahahahaha super
pathetic I mean really man....what's your fuckin deal RRJ?) Ill keep
working to pay into retirement to keep you and your ex-wives and there
new husbands happy. I guess I should sit back and watch because CSX is
the same as any other company..right? You two are out of YOUR MINDS.
EAP--are your serious nomo?? don't spew your bullshit at me ...your
the one who may need to get a grip here..I work safe. I actually can
not stand you complacent sorry fucking losers whoas meet atitude.  Why
do you even post on here? To tell everyone that you know everthing and
it's been tried before and it didnt work..  Let me tell you something
you aren't very smart (RRJ for sure).  You haven't done anything and
you offer no input with value to help the situation--People like you
two fools are part of the problem.  A BIG PART.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 01 September 2010

My assessment was accurite you can't handle being a man. Insults is
that all you can know. I've never read one of you except maybe Lloyd
discuss any legitimate grievences. I respect him even though he's a
little delusional thinking any of you cry babies are going to follow
his lead. It's all cry-baby crap with you people about how CSX is so
mean to ya'll. QUIT, it's that easy. No ones holding a gun to your
head. This isn't the military where you're obligated. You think I've
never done anything that's your perogative. Your sadily mistaken. I've
walked on picket lines in 4 strikes against this railroad. How many have
you been on? I went to the last months union meeting what a pathetic
bunch of losers. Not one person saying anything. Who is really taking
it up the arse as you like to put it? My generation stood their ground
it wasn't till we became the minority out here that things took a turn
for the worse. Once my generation is gone there will be more changes all
downhill. Every trainmen hired before 1994 is considered a protected
employee. CSX didn't hire very many people between 1983-1994 so that
day is coming sooner than you think. You better get a move on if you
think you can do anything. All talk no action that's you.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 01 September 2010

Hey Con 1-10:

Tell every body what's wrong with the system...they already know so it
will be falling on deaf ears. CSX doesn't care and neither does the
UTU. Until there is some unity within the UTU and between the UTU and
BLTe, you'll be fighting City Hall. 

Many are frustrated now and it will continue to get worse, to the point
of being bitter. When that happens they become a liability, not to CSX
but to themselves, their coworkers, family and friends.

To those truly fed up, it's time to move to greener pastures...money
isn't everything and piece of mind is priceless. Perhaps some
professional help or group therapy might be an option for those on the
edge. Discussing the problem with others similarly situated might prove
more productive than venting on this site. The EAP for 
their area can help.

If any one thinks that CSX is any worse than most other companies, they
would be sadly mistaken...why do you think the pays good? It's not
because of the work you do...it's to put up with the bull shit
you have to endure.

Be content...worrying about things you have no control over will surely
drive you over the edge. Concentrate on things that you can control.
Change comes from within and takes time. Start at the your Local and
spread out from there and perhaps a few like minded individuals from
other Locals will do the same!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 01 September 2010

Why should i be content? If being a man means being content and taking
it in the ass like you have all these years then no thanks...i'd
prefer to stand up tell people what wrong with our current environment
and offer up ways to change it and improve our situation.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 01 September 2010

Sorry you feel that way. That's the reason you'll never be content. I
can assure you retirement is keeping me busy. Your attitude will be
your undoing. The "WHY" generation. You were spoon fed now it's time
to be a man and you haven't a clue on how to go about it. I speak the
truth and don't really care who I offend. Keep paying into railroad
retirement it keeps me happy.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 01 September 2010

If you have a wife be kind to
her buy a riding lawn mower it beats the push kind.  ----This is why
your an idiot RRJ and why you never fought for anything better  and
probably why you have divorced several times and now this board is all
you have in your retirement.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 01 September 2010

P'O'd

The things your stating aren't new they've affected every generation
of railroaders. It might of been a better place to work years ago but
the job hasn't changed. You're on call you're gone no clue when
you'll return. You make good money. Some people live above their
means. I know quite a few who have been successful on the railroad with
only 5-10 years out here. They own homes nice cars toys like boats and
ATV's ect...life is what you make it. If you have a wife be kind to
her buy a riding lawn mower it beats the push kind. You people complain
about working to much apparently you were never hungry enough by being
furloughed enough to appreciate what you have. I was there I knew what
it felt like to be furlough in one year to not be able to draw
unemployment the next furlough. No one would hire you even to work at a
gas station because they knew you were furloughed from the railroad you
would leave as soon as you got the recall. People complain on here but
not to discuss the issues only to vent. Using obsenities can be done
without posting it. People state this site is about CSX but 90% of the
time that never happens issues are ignored. Railroading is a way of
life it's not a normal job.

Name: Chris Leabetter
E-mail: cleabetter@gmail.com
Employed as: Brakeman, for 1-10 years
Posted: 31 August 2010

"IF YOU ARE NOT DESPERATE FOR A JOB AND HAVE EDUCATION, DO YOURSELF A
FAVOR AND TRY TO GET A JOB ELSEWHERE. FEDERAL EMPLOYMENT IS THE WAY TO
GO. THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. I SHOULD HAVE QUIT CSX MY SECOND DAY ON
THE JOB, BUT I STUCK IT OUT FOR TEN WEEKS UNTIL I COULDN'T TAKE THEIR
BULLSHIT ANYMORE. UNSAFE, UNFAIR, RATS AND SCABS............"

God Bless the mans heart who said this!!!!!!  I am so glad the railroad
is a distant memory!!!  I have been out for 3 years and working for the
Fed Gov't ever since.  Seeing my family more and getting treated well
by my management, I feel like a human again.  I felt like I did
something bad and was assigned to community service, except I received
pay for it while I was in the RR.

Name: P'O'd
E-mail: pullitout8@yahoo.com
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 31 August 2010

Hey nameless, faceless coward, why don't you grow a pair?
How long have you worked for this company?
You have no idea.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 31 August 2010

P'0'ed.

Son take the 12 year's of RRR and go. I know you are scared to death.
Get a set and leave, not to worry your RRR will roll over. Never cost
you one cent. Now if ya get Your attitude right and stay, and pay. You
could have a happy day in about 20 years. Or leave and let those that
really want the lifestyle work.
I have seen it over and over (I have to much invested and there is no
way to leave).

I had Conductors, and Engineers tell me that. Checked it out and they
were simply telling me what they knew from those that told them.

I had Engineers ask me not to leave my Trade, for fear that I would be
hungry as they had been.

Just take a look right and left, that is you in 20-30. Your choice.

Name: Tank
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 29 August 2010

hey friend of CSX....i thought you said you were never coming back to
this board.

Name: p"o'd
E-mail: pullitout8@yahoo.com
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 29 August 2010

To the useless twaddle that called us pathetic:  Listen up asshole, you
have no idea of what you speak.  I'll gladly send you my work schedule
for the last 4 weeks, and you see what you think.  I leave my home, am
gone from 30-40 hours, get back home for 12 hours, then start again. 
We're paid, but not the kind of money that I can live, raise my kids,
then pay to have everything done that they don't give me time to do. 
They can't tell you when you're going to work at the away terminal,
so you really don't know when you should lay down.

This company sucks ass. And I would tell anyone asking to seriously
have their freakin' head examined for considering it.  I've invested
12 years in rr retirement, and can't just walk away in the current
economy.  This company is poorly managed, before Buffet bought BNSF and
sold his other holdings, he had big money in 3 out of 4 the big US
railroads.  Want to guess which one he stayed away from?  Duh.  Not
every investor is stupid.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 27 August 2010

Tank
Conductor for 1-10. Good advice below.

Road trip== sit down, shut up, handle the radio.
Yard job == Engineer does the Above.

I can assure you that this works.

Name: Tank
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 26 August 2010

wow...the person a couple of post ago told all of us to get a life. 
Kinda hard to have one working for CSX.....and not just the working
part...fighting for claims, investigations, calling them out on
agreement violations and working with sub par equipment.  Sure friend
of CSX employee, we will jump right on that.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 26 August 2010

Last poster: Is the same true if we don't like our politicians? We
just
leave our country? Hell no! We all fight together and make it better
for the next generation....That's if you feel a cause is not worth
fighting for. Where would America be without fighters?

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for N/A
Posted: 25 August 2010

I think everyone on here is pathetic.  If you have an issue with CSX and
it's that bad then just leave!!  It seems to me that most of you want
to receive a paycheck and not be held accountable for doing your job!! 
Also, if you have an issue with someone....talk to them about it!!
Don't bitch on some website.  GROW SOME BALLS!!!  No need to
respond....I will not be on here ever again.  This was my first and
last time.  GET A LIFE!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 22 August 2010

Lloyd

The RRB this year in their annual report to congress stated their
solvent till 2039. RRB had restructured years ago by investing. 2039 
doesn't mean that it'll collapse congress only requires numbers up to
at least 25 years. We had the same concerns in the '80s & '90s when we
saw downsizing in all departments. RRB retirement age under Raygun was
raised from 60 to 62 for over 20 years 3 years ago it was lowered back
down to 60. It could become a possibility of raising it in the future
again especially when the goverment is thinking about raising the age
for social security. I don't get the link between the two this year
social security didn't get a COLA increase in january that was also
imposed on railroad retirement. Social security was never meant to be
used as a retirement only a supplemental income unlike ours which is a
retirement consisting of two parts Tier I which is the equivelent of SS
and Tier II which is our pension. So far we've been lucky to have not
been raided by goverment borrowing which SS wasn't that fortunate
under Raygun. Plus SS has more oppertunities for abuse in their system
compared to RRB. In RRB we don't see people going out on a disabilty
at age 30 like those abusing the system with SSI.

Name: LLoyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 21 August 2010

RRJ, my long time debater on this site, I get what you are saying but
don't you think what I'm trying to achieve is twice as good as 80
percent of the other people out here who just sit on their hands and
take shit for what it is?  I might only be reaching out to 15 or 20
people, but that's okay with me.  I gotta vent somewhere and this
place is just as good as any.  I will say this though, more people than
you think read this site.  Most don't have the balls to post on here
though out of fear.  And then there are those who couldn't spell a
word or create a sentence right to save their lives.  

Also, I wanted to ask you a serious question un-related to this.  With
all the cutting CSX has done and all Class 1 railroads have done over
the past 20 years, wont there be some kind of short fall in the
retirement system?  Of course this wont affect you, but what about guys
like me who still have 10+ years to go?  They keep talking about pushing
the retirment age to 58 or 55, but it looks like it might be pushed back
to 63 or 65 if you ask me.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 August 2010

Lloyd

Discouraging? For telling the truth. It's better than your fantasy
world of sick outs. Pessamistic I can go along with that assumpsion. I
waited for over 25 years for the unions to grow a set of balls. They
were neutured back when Raygun fired the air traffic controllers and
never grew another set. Who do you think your reaching on this site?
Maybe 15-20 people. Deinitely not the masses. I never once heard about
any of the sick outs you were calling for over the past couple of years
in any crew room when I was working. So, Am I really causing descent? I
think not. Run for office become LC of your division/local see if you
can make change. I've seen more than my fair share of LC's over the
years go in head strong only to become disillusioned.

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 21 August 2010

RRJ please, for the sake of the rest of the guys who are out here
dealing with the shit right now, try not to be so damn discouraging. 
That's the same attitude so many out here have and that's why nothing
happens.  Stop being so pessimistic and realize that this is a different
railroad than when you worked.  I hear people all the time talk about
how this use to be a great place to work and now it's all gone to
hell.  RRJ you may have played the game in your day but it's a whole
new ball game now.  Everyone out here is on the verge of snapping you
should know that.  I'm done talking about shareholders and stock
dividends.  I'm ready to talk about what we need to do to fix this
shitty situation we are dealing with right now.  I don't give a damn
if this company did call back all the furloughed men, they still work
skeleton crews.  People need time to spend with their families and if
working 60 hours a week isn't good enough they can go to HELL!!  RRJ a
sick out or a strike is coming, believe it man.  This time they went too
far and pretty soon they are going to pay for it, one way or another.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 August 2010

Lloyd

Sick out? It'll never happen. The unions did the only thing they could
do. Other than displacement it's not a contractual issue. I do believe
it could become a safety issue. The unions could strike then but they
won't. They haven't utilized safety strikes in 14 years. The unions
are still under the impression that supporting political candidates
will make change. That has definitely not been successful. You complain
about CSX or any railroad making profits. If they weren't no one would
of been recalled from furloughs. People have written it's all about
the stockholders. Let me inform you that CSX stock dividends are only
22 cents a share. That's not much. Investors are banking that the
price per share will increase. Not that their dividends will secure a
retirement income because it won't.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 August 2010

Goob

The BLET has the "Scope Rule" which protects the engineer outside
yard limits concerning remotes. It's no different than what the UTU
did with the remotes in the yard. The UTU threw a temper tantrum over
it but just like the yard remotes they don't have a right to interfer
in another unions business which is what the ruling came down to when
the BLET protested. It was tit for tat.

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 20 August 2010

Hey Loco 10-20 or whoever you might be...

You are on the right track.  There needs to be a system wide slow down
and it needs to happen now.  The fact that this company thinks we
should only have 1 absence a month without any off days for men who
work freight pools is absolutely in-humane.  Who the hell do they think
they are?  A few bad apples out here who never want to work and we all
get punished for it?  These company policies have hit an all time low
and although our union is "fighting" it, we all have to suffer until
they come up with something?  For those of us who do have families or
people who don't need to work 13 days a half to pay their bills, this
is ridiculous.  How about the fact that they start our rest days over
after letting us rot in the hotels for over 24 hours?  Where is the
justice there FRA?  I've seen this company call people at 001 on
purpose so they wont be able to go on rest days.  They have completely
cut their man-power to the bare-minimum, cutting back our time that we
can lay-off, and this company has the audacity to brag about PROFIT!! 


If now isn't the time to strike on these assholes there wont ever be a
time.  It has just about hit rock bottom out here and everyone needs to
step up and do what is right.  We need to lay off from Birmingham to
Cincinnati.  From Selkirk to Russell.  We need guys from Louisville and
we need them in Clifton Forge.  We need Nashville to get involved and
those of us in the Carolina's to step up.  From Jacksonville to
Columbus we need to make a statement and it needs to come NOW guys.  If
you are reading this right now I know in your heart you are just as fed
up as I am and you know something has to change or else we aren't
gonna have a leg to stand on soon.  It's time for us to make some
noise and if you are with me let's pick a date in September or October
and we will stand together.  

I'm not on here trying to be a leader and I don't care for any
recognition, I'm just saying what so many want to say but wont.  We
might make good money and maybe we should be happy to have jobs (in
this shitty economy), but this is no way to live, and it's time to
make a stand and that time is now.  If our damn union can't move fast
enough, it's time for us to do it on our own.  We need to make a date
and lay off for at least 36 hours after the fact.  If anyone else has
any ideas, feel free to let me know.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 20 August 2010

Hey Goober:

Flagmen, Firemen...the vast majority of of people on the RR today
don't know what they did.

Just about all claims filed today are worthless...CSX doesn't pay them
so why waste time filing them? Because that's the way the game is
played. You're right, it's the foreman's/conductor's responsibility
to tie up the ticket. I never filed claims to be a nice guy, just the
opposite...but someone has to hold the carrier and union's feet to the
fire. 

Anytime CSX or the unions get tired of dealing with the worthless
claims they can renegotiate the contract and buy out the penalty claims
for a few dollars a day. They won't for the same reason we'll never
see a flat rate tax in this country...it would cost too many jobs.

In the meantime the only thing the grunts can do is play the game. I
wouldn't feel too bad though...most of the newer guys probably don't
take time to file the claims because they never read the contract or
attend the local's meetings!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 20 August 2010

Locomotive Engineer 1-10
19 Aug 2010.
You have it somewhat right. Engineer only is a RR target. That will
make  Engine service the (number one worst job in america). Now for the
UTU throwing all of the job's away, heck the RR could not run trains
without an operator. That is why the engineer has survived, Now as far
as the remotes, the Engineers should have said yes we will run them,
However they said no. So the UTU said yes and time goes on.

If the Engineers had said yes to the remotes, many would have moved to
the ground, many would have been hurt or failed, and many would have
loved the chance to be on the ground with the box. That would have
pushed the UTU Trainmen to the street.

The RR's run just like WalMart, staff for the business, abide by the
rules? and make money. As a RR employee you have very few options, as
do all employees. Make the best and retire, or fight the system and
walk the street.

Now how the BLET saved the remote for engineer's on the road, I am
waiting to see how that is gonna work. Guess RRJ is going to explain
that one.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 20 August 2010

NOMO,

Outside the yard limits, and had to file, and filing for the crew was
not what I was talking about. I was addressing those that think by
filing a worthless claim that they are helping themselves. Filling the
box with claim's, that might be a little outside the box is very easy
to do. 

I know things have changed, however when I was a Fireman, I never
filled out any time the Engineer did it for me. When I was a conductor
I did the crew time for both the Brakeman, and the flagman, they did
not report at all. My point is as a Foreman requesting payment for the
crew for work outside the yard limits is a duty, and not something that
you did as a nice guy.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 19 August 2010

It really comes as no surprise, the UTU has always given in to the
carrier.  They have LC's holding company positions in some places,
they sold out the engineers with remote control just to let it bite
them in the ass while remotes have gone to one man jobs.  In the long
run you will see one man trains as the conductor get eliminated, and
only then will the UTU have wished they'd taken more action as a real
union.

I'm gonna keep saying it, we need a system wide slow down....NOW!

Name: ble rules utu drools
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 19 August 2010

Looks like the UTU backs down and sells us out once again.

Posted on Tuesday, August 17  
 

 
UTU General Chairpersons John Lesniewski, John Hancock, Jim Townsend,
Johnny Willis and Randy Pullen, along with Vice General Chairperson
Yvonne Hayes and UTU Vice President John Previsich, met late Monday,
August 16, 2010, with Senior CSXT Officers to air out differences with
respect to recent modifications unilaterally made by CSX to the
availability standards in their Simplified Availability Policy pursuant
to System Notice No. 108 dated July 30, 2010.  It was the second meeting
of this type for several of the General Chairpersons, but this meeting
was arranged by UTU International President Mike Futhey and the outcome
this time was much more productive, if not fruitful.  


For over an hour the General Chairpersons debated the unreasonable
rigidity of the new availability standards with CSXT VP & Chief
Transportation Officer C. M. Sanborn, VP Labor Relations S. E. Crable,
VP Network Operations M. D. Smith, AVP Crew Management T. J. Flanley,
AVP Labor Relations D. W. Ingoldsby and Director Labor Relations M.
Becker.  Armed in many cases with stories and situations presented by
their membership, the General Chairpersons argued that a literal
interpretation of the newly published standards penalizes their hard
working employees, our members, through its generic and what appears to
be inflexible terminology.  As such, the General Chairpersons argued, it
denies an employee their contractual right to “reasonable layoff
privileges” and, on some properties, also their contractual entitlement
to hold their displacement for a specified period of time.  


For their part CSXT acknowledged that it is, and never was, their
intent to penalize the 95% of their employees who protect the service
consistently; and they fully intend to abide by our contractual
agreements regarding “reasonable layoff privileges” and displacement
time (where applicable).  At the same time, however, they remain
steadfast in their intolerance towards those that characteristically
choose to make their employment with CSXT less than full time; and they
have a genuine desire that their treatment of such employees will be
consistent.  
In the end, while the Carrier stopped short of revoking their revised
standards, they did recognize that the rigidity of the language within
the standards requires further clarification to express their intent.  
 The published standards provide that opportunity wherein they state
that:  


“Employees who are unavailable for any non-compensated reason (other
than rest days and time off mandated by the Hours of Service Act, as
amended by the Rail Safety Improvement Act) on 2 or more days in a
rolling 4-week period will be subject to review.” 


The Carrier’s application of that review process, as opposed to
mandating discipline, will ultimately determine whether the Carrier is
allowing the “reasonable layoff privileges” stipulated in our
Agreements or not.  However the ambiguity of this term leaves far too
much room for discretionary abuse.  Consequently, in an effort to avoid
unwarranted discipline and the arbitration of individual cases leaving a
trail of innocent blood as a legacy of the unintended application of
their policy, CSXT committed on Monday to working with the UTU General
Chairpersons to formulate Q&A’s regarding their intended application of
this discretionary review.   It is hopeful these Q&A’s will reflect the
Carrier’s verbally expressed intention to allow reasonable layoff
privileges over and above the harsh language of their published policy
revisions, as well comply with applicable displacement rules, by
describing various situations/conditions and how they will be handled
under the review process.  


While the devil is in the details, the General Chairpersons are hopeful
that the finished Q&A’s will bring sanity to what was published as an
unreasonably rigid availability policy.  We will soon find out.  If
not, the Q&A’s will at least clearly solidify where our differences lie
for an arbitrator to later determine whether the Carrier is being
“reasonable” in the application of their Availability Policy or not;
and whether they are attempted to supersede agreement rules with
Company policy.  If anyone has situations they would like to be
considered as a question within the Q&A’s, they are hereby instructed
to forward them to their General Chairperson’s office as soon as
possible for consideration.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 18 August 2010

Hey Goober:

If I was a Foreman on a yard job and we went outside the yard limits 
and I had to file a 01 claim for a member of the crew, I'd file for
everyone. Besides it took time to file them and it was usually on OT.

When I started I might have seen 10 cents on the dollar of claims
paid...when I left it was closer to 65 cents on the dollar and the lady
in payroll and the man in CMC were very cordial.

The penalty claims were never about money. If I got shorted CSX would
pay, usually in OT for the whole crew. These young guys need to learn
how to work a job...until they do the Trainmasters, payroll and CMC
will play them like a drum!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 18 August 2010

Tank

The only income I banked on was for the days I worked. If for some
chance I got a claim paid it was a bonus. My last two years I had at
least $1800 worth of claims every two weeks all of them good claims
under the BLET SSA all of them denied. I never expected CSX to pay them
so every two weeks another envelope was in the LC's box for the claims
to be handled. If you hear the truth your defense is I must be part of
the problem because I didn't do anything. What was there to do? Go
steal a case of crew packs or schidty bottled water? I use to see
people do that all the time. I guess that was their little revenge.
It's just a game. I've had TM's gaurentee payment of claims only to
have JAX deny them. I couldn't refuse to do the extra work outside the
scope of my job classification that would of been insubordination. CSX
isn't paying the majority of claims your not alone in that department.
One day maybe I'll get a pay stub in the mail with what NoMo stated a
claims settlement of 30 cents on the dollar. I'm not banking on it.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 17 August 2010

Nice website haven't been on here for awhile, now where are the
ble-sucks, and the utu-sucks companion sites...They all follow
suit...Earnings going down, all claims denied, no air on engins(real
safe), some caps set at zero but new attendance policy, management is
clueless, Union dues on the rise for these great agreements we are
voteing in(yeah right). This company is now in the business of bonus,
not railroading. And on and on, I could go on for days, but think of
this.. without the railroad and those of us who do our jobs, there is
no bonus...take care of what takes care of you. Jackasses.... Unions
need to respect their members, and management needs to grow a pair and
learn to think for themselves. We need thinkers not "yes"men. I am
supposed to be led by example, but I only know how to railroad, and
dont understand how a 2 year degree in nothing realative to my job can
lead me, I'm not intrested in your degrees, we are not splitting atoms
here. Stupid litte yellow switch tags, and stickmen..all will get your
job, but what do you get for passing their little test? No praise, no
thanks, nothing positive, you just get to keep your job...woo-hooo,
Sorry for the ramble, and please excuse any of my phonetically
challenged words, and grammer. I just needed to vent...have a CSX
ethnical day.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 17 August 2010

NOMO,
File as many claims as you can is just stupid. Many do that and are
quickly known as just that.

File those that you feel have merit, and only those--- Reason
(Credibility)
When ya lose that they will throw your stuff to the can. Not like they
will not do it anyway, however with good reporting ya stand a better
chance.
Filling the bin is just stupid.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 17 August 2010

Hey Tank:

CSX has been declining penalty claims long before you ever thought
about working for CSX. RRJ is right...it's a game. You file a claim
and CSX denies it, then you give it to the LC for handling and during a
claims conference he gets 30 cents on the dollar.

Everyone looks good except you're still pissed. Here's a hint...file
as many claims as you can, whether or not you're entitled to them. 01
is a good claim, engine not equipped, interchange claims etc. etc.

Remember, that it cost CSX money to process each claim, whether there
are legitimate or not. If you had $400 of claims declined
you can probably find twice that you're entitled too and all those pre
'85 claims you aren't.

It all about numbers...file...file...file!

Name: Tank
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 17 August 2010

RRJ,

     yes i complain about denied claims because i pay my union dues and
want my damn money.  Claim are in place for a reason and just last half
i was denied $400 in claims.  I dont know about you but $400 is alot of
money to me so your fucking right i am going to bitch.  These dick heads
need to stop CSX from taking my well deserved money.  Also you are
correct, i complain and also say this is a good job.  It is a good job
but would be a great job if our union would not allow CSX to deny our
claims.  I cant take whatever is thrown at me but i will be damned if i
sit back and not say or do anything about it.  If that is you attitude
"the attitude of, well that is how things are", then you are one of
the reason why CSX walks over over our agreement, because guys like you
take it up the ass from the company and ask for more.

Name: conductors girl
E-mail: 
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for 1-10 years
Posted: 17 August 2010

so what can we do to change the bullSHlT that is going on right now??
These attendance policies need to change.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Train Dispatcher, for 10-20 years
Posted: 17 August 2010

hAy thIss iz fouR al yoU peeopple who post oN CSSX SUkS., DU evverbody a
favor and  LERN TOO SPEL !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 17 August 2010

Tank

Denying claims is part of the game. They deny it you forward it to the
LC so they can handle it. Darn, I never got mad over denied claims
that's the way it is. If you can't handle the game get off the field.
CSX banks on 85% of all denied claims to be trashed instead of forwarded
for further handling. Sounds like CSX is winning. The LC is right CSX
can do it and they do it very well. You cry about how bad it is then
contradict yourself on how much money you make plus the benefits all
without having an education. That doesn't make sense. No one should
stay in a job they don't like. If they feel the union is not working
for their best interest. If they feel management is constantly
harrassing the employees. A person needs to adapt to survive. Good
luck.

Name: TANK
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 16 August 2010

HEY HOG,

    Go fuck yourself....i have been here more than a fucking year you
dick.  Assholes like you is what brings down moral more than it already
is.  Tell me of a better job out there where you dont have to have a
college degree, they give you a set schedule, retirement is good, and
the pay is more than we make here.  Would love to know.  Or were you
pissed because i said the utu and BLE need to grow some nuts and do
what we pay this assholes to do?  Maybe if we cut some of the union
suits salaries we would get something done.  All i here from my union
douche bags is everytime i get a claim denied is "well they can do
that".  If i am gonna pay that amount of money i pay a month, make CSX
stick to the agreement.  They will stick to 100% rules compliance but
not 100% union agreement compliance.  Talk about double standards.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 16 August 2010

LE 10-20

I forgot to answer your last question. You didn't put a #3 slot on
your list. I don't work for CSX anymore I'm retired. I have no
regrets working for the railroad took the good with the bad. I never
complained about being furloughed in the '70s that's the way it
worked. If people didn't like it they quit and moved on to something
else. That happened alot. The railroads not for everyone never has been
never will be.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 16 August 2010

LE 10-20

You're so full of schidt flies have created a statue in your honor. If
you're that stupid to not know how the system works by now you'll
remain ignorant your entire carreer. People running up on jobs isn't
going to do anything but it give the unions a reason to request more XB
slots. The union doesn't control the XB they gave that up for you
people to draw a gaurentee. Just ask your LC bitch to him about adding
more jobs instead of sniveling on this site. It not rocket science. You
want frigging jobs created help get rid of the gaurentees then the
boards can be loaded up back to the days of feast or famine like it was
when I started on the railroad. No your to much of a pansy to do it. You
want that cushion. God forbid if anyone has to struggle out here
anymore. Welcome to the real world there are no gaurentees and kudos to
those that help themselves to make it in this life.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 16 August 2010

Just what the company wants more guys like RRJ stepping up and helping
out when the boards are depleated.  If it was'nt for guys like you,
maybe some of our furloughed brothers would be recalled back to
service.  I've only been out here for 17 years, and I could count the
number of times CMC incresed the boards due to guys stepping up on one
hand.  Spin it and twist it RRJ,  people step up for two reasons, 1,
they are greedy and they don't care about anyone but themselves, 2,
they're a company suckass.  Which are you?

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 16 August 2010

LE 10-20

Why are you worried about what someone else does? Running up has been
going on forever. I never cared it meant that CMC wasn't going to try
and call me for the job. Or worse trying to force someone on the job.
Having people run up when the extra boards are exhausted is the only
way the union can request getting more XB jobs put on. CSX controls the
numbers that was the price for the gaurentees. If I was first out on a
freight pool and was called to run up on a yard job that would be a no
brainer work it claim the difference and get more time at home.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 15 August 2010

Hey Conductorsgirl:

If you're still paying attention...here's what I'm talking about...

http://www.roadtechs.com/const/wwwboard/getpost.php?rec_nbr=136807

Great location...

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 15 August 2010

Speaking of low-life sucks, the BLE Engineer's at my terminal always
work jobs off their assignment.  They will make moves to a Freight Pool
or Yard job then work everything but what they are supposed to work.

Name: Mostly
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 15 August 2010

to: who cares

Yeah; what rr are you working for?  I'm willing to bet you're a no
good company suck.  



We have a lot of men and women laid off.  Our sub. works at least once
a day if not two.   When a rr has had enough  he or she should be able
to lay off.  NO QUESTIONS ASKED AND NO SMART REMARKS.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 15 August 2010

Yeah, people do die it's a fact of life. I can gaurentee that most
railroaders live long happy lives after retirement. Every 3 months I
attend a C&O railroad retiree lunch where 35-50 retirees show up and
their all doing fine. Some of them have been retired for 25+ years.
There is some truth that certian people don't make it past 6 months
into retirement but it's a small percentage. Went to a co-workers
funeral a few months ago that unfortunately didn't make it past the 6
months mark. He was one hell of a railroader even worked two years past
retirement age with 42 years on the railroad his hips were giving him
problems other than that he'd still be working. He died at the
hospital of an aneurysm after hip replacement surgery. No gaurentees in
life. But railroaders dying right after retirement is an old wives tale.

Name: conductorsgirl
E-mail: 
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for 1-10 years
Posted: 14 August 2010

I can't tell you how much this pulls at my heart. So many of the people
working out there are doing it for the "good retirement" CSX offers.
Maybe they offer such a good retirement because they know whats going
to happen to their men and women. What can be done about this???
ANything?? 

And what was the article that was posted two down?

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 14 August 2010

Hey Friend;

I've known two...the first was an engineer with 42 years of service,
who retired on his 60th birthday. He always took care of himself. He
never smoked, ate a good diet and walked every day. He died during his
daily walk within a day or two of receiving his first retirement check
from the RRB.

The second, a groundhog retired the day his 30 years of service was
completed. He smoked like a chimney, ate better than most. I think
during his early years he ran in the fast lane though. Shorty after his
retirement he relocated to Flagstaff, AZ and died alone before he could
move in.

Certainly in road service their diet and lack of exercise adversely
effects their health. What I really thinks gets them in the end
is they no longer need structure in their life and have a hard time
coping with life outside the railroad.

Look at what happened to Bear Bryant, he passed within months of
retiring. Don't be surprised if it happens to Bobby Bowden and Joe
Paterno. Sleep or not, old habits die hard...

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 14 August 2010

A major carrier quietly dismantled their lay-off policy after the
engineer fell asleep at the wheel-which caused a few fatalities and
several COSTLY injuries. The report stated is not verbatim for obvious
reasons: Exhibit "A"-presented: Forced to stay marked-up due to the
unreliable/unpredictable work schedule. I was exhausted and knew I
could not mark-off due to the company policy of threat and intimidation
of implied discipline up-to and including termination. Being exhausted;
I was completely distracted for the task at hand and left with my only
alternative of "self-preservation" to maintain employment...in-spite
of the public safety.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for 1-10 years
Posted: 14 August 2010

yeah i have heard that railroaders die after retirement. It makes me
sick. No wonder wives get retirement too. "Here we will pay you XX
amount of dollars because you own your husbands soul for 40 years and
then he dies once we give it back" NOT WORTH IT. I have no interest in
finding another man, but my man has got to find an alternative. Any hope
in getting him something that has some kind of schedule? So he can
atleast sleep a normal amount at night

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 14 August 2010

To who cares:

What are you talking about saying that men lay on an extra board 2  to
3 days, get 1st out & layoff?

Right now our extra boards have been exhausted everyday, and short
handed because the railroad is too cheap to hire more people to fill
jobs!

What is the railroad supposed to do?  I don't know what part of the
railroad you've been working?

Name: mostly
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 14 August 2010

70 to 80yrs of life,  get real most rrers die after they retire.

If I could leave I'd be out of here.  

This attendance policy is a joke but like all things on the rr we take
it and our union tells us  they dont approve but THEY CAN DO THAT  if I
had a nickel for everytime LC  said  THEY CAN DO THAT 
I could leave this forsaken place.



Lady find yourself a different man if you want a family or have him to
get a different job

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for 1-10 years
Posted: 14 August 2010

what i meant to say is he gets 10/14 vaca days, but ends up having to
take more than that to get the few days before off to make sure he
won't get called. Isn't there another way for them to do this?

Name: Conductors Girl
E-mail: Cincygallovesyou@gmail.com
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for 1-10 years
Posted: 14 August 2010

Hi. I am a fiance of a conductor. We are trying to figure out of this
job is worth the crap he and I go through. I wanted to get your
opinions. From what I understand, our division of CSX has pretty much
taken off all of the assigned jobs, and on top of that, they created an
attendance policy that says you can't be unavailble for more than one
day in a month period. Holy crap!! Is that humane? I understand that if
you have 5 starts in a 5 day period or something, you get a day or two
off, but he never reaches that because he gets stuck sitting in a filty
bedbug ridden hotel room and it starts that over. We NEVER know when he
is going to be off, so we are losing chances to plan fun things with
each other and with friends, he has absolutly NO sleeping schedule, so
he comes home and is a complete zombie, sleeps for 8 hours or so and
wakes up and gets lunch packed, called a few hours later and hes gone
again. We are planning a wedding next year, and I can't help but
wonder if this is really what life should be like. He gets the 10 or 14
or whatever vacation days Sure we like the money (I work full time also
at a 8-5 job)and we like the retirement, but this schedule just seems
completely inhumane. He never has time to just be at home enjoying the
house he is working his @ss off to pay for, he never has a weekend to
rest, and never really has a full day off. I understand that many
people are saying that this is the price to pay for the benefits of
CSX, but are you really living your life the way you are and enjoying
it? We only have 70/80 years on this earth and railroaders spend 40
years of it living to work. Shouldn't you be working to live? You just
don't get the time to live. I just think that its going to be nearly
impossible to have kids because if I am working, there will be no
schedule to offer a daycare as to when "dad" can watch the kids. And
will "dad" ever be at any of his games? And will "dad" ever have
time to just hang out or will be always be "resting" to get called
back out? At this rate, we won't even have time or energy to make any
babies!! ANYWAY- I just wonder how you all deal with this, and how your
wives deal with it. i understand there are plenty of men in this world
that work seven days a week, but adding the fact that you are working
12 hour shifts, then sleeping in a dirty hotel for 12 hours and working
12 hours again, you never get to spend time at home. Some men have
ladies in both cities and that probably makes it easier on them, but
this just is not human at all. There are so many health risks to
working exhausted and never sleeping at the same time. What do you guys
think?? help...

Name: who cares
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 20-30 years
Posted: 13 August 2010

to all the railroad brothers and sisters out there.csx sux but can you
really blame them for trying to weed out the useless?when you have
employees laying on extra boards for days at a time then when they get
first or second out they move or layoff,whats the company supposed to
do they pay us for our time not our hard work because we dont do any.i
say fire the deadbeats and give the railroad back to the working men
and women.we have brought all this on ourselves,true the union sux also
if and when the kickbacks and bribes stop we might actually get some
representation untill then suck it up work your job and hope for the
best . its better than serving hamburgers at mcdonalds or being a door
greeter at walmart!!besides all that nobody makes you show up every
trip.we all bitch about it but you dont see anyone quitting,kinda
ironic huh?that being said i hope one of these days we can have a
decent job and get along with csx we all need the money and benefits or
we would not be here.so quit your crying and do it or get out you make
everyones job miserable to work !!!!!!have a nice csx day you bunch of
crybabies

Name: Should I or Not
E-mail: todatrash@gmail.com
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 12 August 2010

Nomo/ Anybody

I have read several of your post now and respect your opinion, unlike
many greenhorns, i'm smart enough to ask and listen. 

As many said "this isn't my father's railroad." Worked at U.P.S
both as labor and management; they have more in common with CSX then
you might think. So I know how the "game" works as far as general
Labor and Company. You are right and I still have reserves but that is
because of the new boards and/or attendance policies. The fact you
can't mark off on the extra board is bunk, even if it is guaranteed
pay. 24/7 on call...fine with that, I just want to mix sure I have some
time off somewhere. Yea I know I will get laid off and I look forward to
it. I've learned to budget so not a problem. I don't mind busting my
rear end during the feast, I just want it to slow down then to chill
out. Its not having that chill our period, whenever it is, that make me
nervous. thoughts?

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 12 August 2010

Hey Should I:

Having had several generations precede you that retired from rail
service you should be aware of the ins and outs. I would agree that  RR
career is potentially very good but very challenging. If you are young
or married and have children it can become very challenging.
You will be on call 24/7/365 with no set schedule unless you're in
yard service.

You mention an education, you didn't mention what your degree was in.
In train, engine or yard service regardless of education your income
will be limited, you can still make a very nice living however. You
will be qualified to move into management at sometime should you want
too.

One thing I haven't seen mentioned and perhaps you already know; is
there is a 95% chance of you being furloughed for 3-6 months and maybe
even longer for your first year or two.

The fact that you would ask for advice would indicate, to me anyway,
that you have some trepidation about you decision. In the final
analysis, the decision is solely yours; make the decision and live with
it.

This might be the only chance you ever get to work for the RR, if you
don't like it you're free to find something else...at least you are
not having to pay 8 or 10 thousand dollars to get the opportunity
to work for CSX like thousands had to!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 12 August 2010

It's a good job with benefits. It's can be a difficult one with time
away from home, on-call 24/7, the affect on family life ect...In the
end if you do your job mind your own business a person can have a quiet
life out here.

Name: hog
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 11 August 2010

less than a year

you need to shut the f up  you dont know dick about this place yet

Name: rd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 11 August 2010

You're right other jobs wont let you lay off.  Other jobs have off days
and some sort of schedule.  So lets not compare the rr to other jobs its
apples and oranges.  


Hell no dont take a job out here.  If I didn't have excellent sen.
I'd leave this place sucks.

Name: Tank
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 11 August 2010

Should I or Should you not,

     I too have a college education and to be honest you wont find
hardly anything better out there.  We are just pissed because our Union
guys need to grow some nuts and stick up for us.  As far as attendance
goes, anywhere else you work outside the railroad wouldn't even allow
you take off sick unless you had a personal day or vacation and also
not many places even offer personal days anymore.  This is a good place
to work compared to what is out there right now, but just beware of
working around management that is just here to find way to fire you.

Name: Should I or Not
E-mail: todatrash@gmail.com
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 11 August 2010

Ok just got my offer letter and Redi in Sept; Father 35 yrs +, gramps 40
yrs +; great gramps 19 yrs legs were cut off by a car, am I making a
mistake by joining, not desprate for job and have education. Let me
know

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 11 August 2010

It seems to me that you rails have lost the will to fight--in spite of 
lousy union officers. TE&Y employees are the guts of any railroad.
You all seem to have been brainwashed that the trains can somehow be
operated without you. Think about it! Can that happen? You are cured;
you are no longer brainwashed and the railroads cannot PRODUCE REVENUE
without you. 100 percent rule compliance has always and always will be
the back-breaker of the railroads. If you think your union officers are

corrupt or involved in phantom safety programs; FILE A COMPLAINT WITH
THE DEPARTMENT OF LABOR. it works!

Name: dan
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 11 August 2010

Guys I talked to that red headed s.o.b at a meeting today.  
You know the meeting where we sell out to the company and they act like
they care.  Well anyway get a dr. excuse  and they might take that into
consideration before they fire you.

make the short of it  we are stuck with this new policy

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 11 August 2010

The way I see Railroading in the future.
1. Train's will have a crew cab locomotive,or a crew car.
2. Crew's will be 12 on and 12 off, the same as a river boat.
3. Territory will be the same as a river boat,Captain.
4. Crew's will fly in or ride in for relief after 30 days.
5. Crew's will go home and relax for a paid month.
6. One call a month, Go to work or get off and go home.

Railroads will not like this, too many broken trains, well guess the RR
need to insure the on board teck is correct. If it is? an Engineer can
run a train anywhere. Conductor can simply pull up the yard, and know
exactly where to go. I know this sounds stupid, but think a little and
with the correct info it can work. 30 days on and 30 off who cares
where it is. You get a ride or a flight home every 30 days. That is
more time at HOME than any RR has ever had.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 11 August 2010

I am being told that all the GC's came together & sent the carrier an
objection letter towards this new policy.

In other words, they just told the carrier that they didn't agree with
this new policy and thats all our monthly dues are worth.

Don't put any trust towards your union leaders in charge, employees
will have to do it themselves.  I've said it before....a day everyone
calls in sick, a system wide slow down, or an old fashion strike, those
are your choices.

They are all better choices than asking your union leaders for help,
lazy good for nothings!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for N/A
Posted: 11 August 2010

Somebody pointed out the large number of unemployed middle aged men, and
correctly realized that makes the RR quite willing to push its employees
around - since this is the best game in town. It is CSX or Taco
Bell.HOWEVER, 2 things have happened in the last 10 years. 1. The RR
PAYS - TAX FREE - ALL YOUR 4 YEAR COLLEGE TUITION, and most masters
where you just pay the tax on tuition, and B. There are MANY legitimate
degree and degree completion programs available ON LINE as well as
local.Most everybody can afford a computer and high speed internet DSL
or cable or wireless card, and the vast majority of people I see at
work have SOME college, or military credit, or SOMETHING that gives
them part of a degree. The RR pays the rest. The RR offers this
primarily for HQ people who eat it up, but it is FOR EVERYONE. Only a
few minor exceptions - folks Deep into IDAP discipline should check
first, theology and music degrees usually don't count, phony no work
paper degrees from Central America don't get paid. SHOP AROUND and
there is lots there. MANY other businesses I know about are paying TONS
of $$$ because so many employees (your future competitors)see a real
deal, and the employers make them sign a promise to STAY extra time if
company pays tuition. You do have to sit at computer NOT playing
Farmville, or drinking at the titty bar.I don't want to sound "old
skool", but DRIVING to a stupid course on 15 winter nights, fighting
for parking and standing in registration lines, and PAYING FULL PRICE
from your net take home paycheck makes a tax free paid on line course
sound like a great deal. Also, many community colleges offer skill
programs in person only, I assume. They officially lead to a degree,
and so are paid, but if you acquire a SKILL and then don't finish
degree the RR has already paid. You are in the RR hole, but CSX will
BUY you a shovel to dig out! You have to be the digger, though. If
enough people did this the RR would have to treat people fairly for
fear of attrition loss.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 11 August 2010

Hey RRJ:

It may be but why then would Ingram and or Ward allow it to go on when
they knew they would have to eventually accept the blame?

Have you ever heard of Brown Round? That's the brown ring around an
asshole. I'm thinking Brown is an asshole in his own rite, and think,
he's only 50 so there will be another 12 or 15 years of him!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 11 August 2010

NoMo

I'm thinking David Brown was behind these policy changes all along. He
came over to CSX from the NS shortly after Tony Ingram. Ingram was the
HNIC David Brown was his subordinate it only makes sense Ingram would
designate him the responsibility to affect policy. It's a thought.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 11 August 2010

Hey RRJ:

I thought Brown might create his own legacy; however it looks like
he'll live up to his "Brown Banana". The real loser here beside the
employees is Ward...instead of being remembered fondly and being
respected by his men when he retires; he'll go with the knowledge
that no one will miss him and everyone will gladly help him clear out
his office!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 11 August 2010

NoMo

I did learn at last weeks union meeting this David Brown is worse than
Ingram. Doesn't look like things will get better anytime soon.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 11 August 2010

hog

I never said arbitration it's mediation. There's a difference. It's
where both parties sit down with a mediator after other avenues have
been exhausted to remedy the situation. This attendance policy isn't
considered a priority to anyone but those affected by it. The general
public won't care they'll never support the unions side. In fact
it'll never be known outside the railroad. It's a done deal. Most
likely the mediator will hear from the railroad that those affected
have rest days, PL & DV days, vacation, plus under the FRA the
manditory rest after 6 starts. In fact ya'll have more time off
legally then anytime in the past. Problem is it's not when you want
it. That's seniority. I remember staying up at midnight just to get a
PL day before someone else took it when it became available. It won't
be long till the trainmen are on the bid system then there isn't any
displacement days. Think things can't get worse under the bid systen
you're already assigned to a job when coming off vacation. The only
positive if there is one the early mark off and late mark ups.

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 10 August 2010

Guys, why don't you all step back and think about why they brought this
policy on us.  First of all, I think it's sort of a payback for voting
that bullshit contract down.  Second, with so many pieces of shit
marking off constantly, something had to be done.  Now we all know CSX
loves their skeleton crew work force but there are a lot who take
advantage of the system any way they can, that includes those in our
union who constantly lay off union business.  

What I'd like to know is where is my union?  What the hell am I paying
for when the company can just hand down new attendance rules whenever
the hell they feel like it?  What if my child gets sick or I need to go
to the hospital the same time during a month?  This policy is absolutely
ridiculous and we should all be madder than hell.  The fact that CSX
just slaps us all around like some school girls whenever they feel like
it makes me want to puke.  The last poster makes a very good point
though, most of us are just blue collar no college educated workers
with no other outs.  CSX knows they have most of us by the balls so
they feel like they are entitled to slam us with any policy they want. 


Here is the solution fellas.  We really do need to finally stand strong
on this one.  I've tried to call for a sick out on this site before but
it just keeps getting worse out here and everyone just has this attitude
that we can't do anything about it.  For those that do, I say be a man
and stand up for what is right.  If we can just stand down one day next
month over this policy it sends a message, a loud and clear one.  If
nothing changes by the next month, we do it again, and we use the one
day policy as the crutch because we are ALL entitled that ONE day. 
Everyone out here is sick of these company policies and it's about
fucking time we man up and stick together because arbitration and
hearings could take 2 to 4 years before anything happens.  I'm not
saying our unions aren't trying to do anything, but this one is up to
us guys.  It's time for us to finally stick it back to them the way
they have been sticking it to us for years.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 10-20 years
Posted: 10 August 2010

What it all comes down to is:

The company knows, in this rough economy (with no signs of it getting a
whole lot better) they have the non-college degree educated, by the
balls. The blue collar workforce is all but dead. Where else are these
guys with families going to go and do? (they ask this while writing
this policy)

What is (your) answer? 

I tried looking online tonight, nothing even close to railroad benefits
and pay...not even close! With so many out of work now, let's face it,
the company has a vast pool of people to replace you! Let's face this
too, the job itself, is not rocket science. Sure, years of experience
make (you) more efficent and knowledgable, but so what? Every major
railroad has taken a step back from efficent over the past decade or
two and they hate it when the grunts know more than management. All
they care about is their safety numbers and on-time orginating
departures...or so they say.....which means more rules to slow you down
in the eveyday task or face getting fired over a non-compliance issue.

I am just saying, it's hard to blame the unions for this attendance
issue. I have been let down by mine more than once, but I can't pin
any blame on this policy on them. I very much doubt that they had any
part in writing this thing up. With that being said, this policy is not
something that is covered under a working agreement. Sure, one could
argue that our displacment rights are being violated, but that's about
as far as the arguement can go (trainmen only). Even if the unions win
that aspect of it in arbitration, the carrier can still enforce a more
strict policy than was in place before. I can see it too fellas, this
is an attempt to get the UTU to agree to the SSA....yup I know.

After reading this post, if any of you think I have the slightest bit
of company blood in me, you are more than mistaken. The truth hurts,
but CSX only views us as a six-digit number, and we are ALL more than
replacable!

While I may not agree with all the "things" the UTU and BLET do, I
would hate to work for a railraod that was non-union.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 10 August 2010

The retired Loco with 30+ makes a valid point. The bonuses CSX and most
other public companies pay a few "key" employees is 
ludicrous. 5% of the executives earn 90% of the bonus money while the
others who do most of the work get chump change.

Not that it would cover the total cost of the extra employees bur it
would make a hell of a dent.

Other than a letter of protest from the unions don't expect much help.
They might sit around and reminisce about the days of "Blue Steel" but
that's about as far as it will go. They weren't much help during
Ingram's reign of terror were they? As it was pointed out, they
haven't done much after the attendance policy was changed before and
in fact were instrumental in allowing the GCs of the BLEt and UTU to
negotiate the SSA...one of the grey areas that wasn't defined very
well was attendance. If I recall correctly it discussed bonuses and
stock awards for meeting certain criteria.

I really don't see much difference between what happened during the
Ingram years...the investigations and terminations and what is going to
happen here. This will become the Brown reign of terror.

I was beginning to think things had begun to change for the better. I
was wrong...spots on a Leopard don't change after all, just your
relationship to them!

Name: hog
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 10 August 2010

sick leave would be nice

but our fps dont even have off days so im allowed to lay off 1day out 
of 28 the way it stands

Name: tee
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 10-20 years
Posted: 10 August 2010

Exactly. If displacement time is useless and chargeable then we might as
well have a bid system right? It's coming. Our unions have seen fit to
step outside of national handling and this is the first thing we'll
get shoved down our throats. 

    Each successive attendance policy has gone unanswered by us and our
unions. A boohoo letter is all you'll see. Again. There has been little
wrong with any of these other policies. The problem is how they have all
been selectively enforced. Kept gray in interpretation on purpose. We
all know the ones who lay off and never get busted. And we know some
who get it for laying off very little. If the interpretation of them
was cut and dry then we would all know what to expect and know where we
stand. CSX doesn't want that. It would be a "blueprint to lay off
by". 

    The only solution I see (and i doubt it will ever happen) is paid
sick leave. X number of days per year. When they're gone, then you get
charged.

Name: HOG
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 10 August 2010

arbitration is a joke! I'll be retired before that happens.

HELLO UTU  displacement  is USELESS  you might as well lay off Sick

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 10 August 2010

Last weeks union meeting it was reported the BLET filed a letter of
protest over the new attendance policy it'll end up in mediation.
It's not much but they did something. You shouldn't say they did
nothing unless you know the facts.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 10-20 years
Posted: 10 August 2010

hog-

Maybe next time, before you start posting on a public message board,
you will do just a little investigating before you start hitting keys.
Please read below, it may help you understand the whole process and
lessen your outrage....to a degree. 

Posted on Thursday, August 05  
 

 In a letter to CSXT AVP David Ingoldsby on August 5, 2010, General
Chairperson J. E. Lesniewski issued a formal response to the Carrier’s
new availability standards published in System Notice No. 108.  Therein
he advised AVP Ingoldsby of the General Committee’s position that the
newly revised attendance standards violate Rule 100, Section 7, of the
B&O Schedule Agreement requiring the Carrier to maintain sufficient
employees to allow reasonable layoff privileges; as well as Rule 8 (d)
2 as amended by Article XII (Displacement) of the May 8, 1996 UTU
Agreement (Arbitration Award 559) entitling a B&O train service
employee up to 48 hours to exercise his displacement rights before he
is marked VUA (Voluntary Unexplained Absence).   A copy of General
Chairperson Lesniewski’s August 5, 2010 letter can be reviewed here.

Despite the fact that we in labor consider the revised availability
standards to be a major problem, members should be aware the issue is
nevertheless defined as a “minor” dispute as that term is defined in
the Railway Labor Act (meaning that it involves interpretation of
existing contract agreement provisions).  It has already been
determined through previous court actions and railroad arbitrations
that the Carrier has sole authority to unilaterally establish Company
policy at their discretion so long as that policy does not invalidate
collectively bargained Agreement provisions (which is what we are
contending here).  In order to enforce those Collective Bargaining
Agreement provisions, however, labor is forced to go through the
grievance handling procedures provided in the Railway Labor Act and our
Schedule Agreement, up to and including arbitration.  


Currently all CSXT – UTU General Chairpersons are communicating with
each other, and with International President Futhey, in an effort to
coordinate our response and collectively expedite the issue to
arbitration as soon as possible (if necessary).  It’s not the quickest
process, but unless we can convince the Carrier to rescind their policy
voluntarily, arbitration is the only means we have to force the issue. 
International President Futhey has also contacted CSXT Senior VP Labor
Relations Stephen Crable and is in the process of scheduling a personal
meeting with senior CSX management and the UTU General Chairmen to air
out our issues regarding the revised standards and hopefully reach a
consensus that will rescind, or at the very least scale back to a
tolerable level, CSXT’s policy and bring it within contractual
guidelines.  If that doesn’t work, however, we’ll be forced to
arbitrate; and the sooner the better.


We surely understand, appreciate and share in the anxiety of our
membership.  Nevertheless the General Committee is forced to beg the
members’ patience, reminding them this is a unilaterally promulgated
Carrier Availability Policy.  Labor had no part in its construction;
nor were we permitted to add, extract or amend even one word of the
notice.  The Availability Policy is not a labor agreement. 
Nevertheless, it is our position that the Carrier’s unilaterally
promulgated Availability Policy infringes upon our negotiated agreement
benefits. As such it is our further position, supported by precedential
Public Law Board decisions on this property, that the Carrier cannot
create a policy to nullify negotiated contractual agreement provisions;
and we fully intend to pursue relief by every legal means available to
us based on that position.

Name: hog
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 10 August 2010

It has it been over a week.  We haven't heard anything from the unions.
This is an outrage.

  I've looked on the lay off boards.  There are already a lot of men
in trouble if this policy isn't resolved. I'm sick of the union
taking shit from this company.   We pay more dues than any other union
in this Great Country.  I for one expect something in return.  I'm not
paying dues so the union stewards can lay off on the weekends and
jack-off.  

Is the utu and ble branches of csx?  
thats how it feels were I'm from

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 10 August 2010

I'm sorry you feel that way especially when most of your carreer we
didn't have these attendance policies. I think calling yourself a CSX
prostitute is a little overboard. We dealt with a lot of BS on the
railroad. I understand about the loss of a parent. In 2007 I was
already in deep crap with the CSX attendance policy over taking to much
time off to take care of my mother she lived 600 miles away. In late
2007 I also wasn't there for her in the end my sisters and nieces were
that was all I needed to know she had people who loved her by her side.
The blame belongs to Ward, Ingram, and the unions all this started when
Ward took over as CEO. When my father passed away in 1996 it was a
totally different story I was at the away terminal called for work but
not yet on the train. It only took one phone call to the RFE he had us
on a deadhead home with words of regret for the loss and even an
extended hand if I needed anything call. I doubt if that would happen
these days.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 09 August 2010

I am a former CSX Engineer with 30 plus years. My biggest regret now, is
that I allowed myself to become CSX's prostitute. Due to the attendance
policy, I missed my kids graduation, the birth of my grandbabies and
being at the bedside of my dying father. CSX is a company that is run
by Liars, cheats,and thieves. They never honor the contracts that are
agreed to. When time to retire comes, you will regret everything that
you missed! If the execs at CSX would stop giving themselves such big
bonuses, the amount saved would easily cover insurance and retirement
costs on having additional employees available on the extra lists.
Safety, which they care about only in sound bytes, would improve and
the employees would have less streess at home,so they could focus on
the job at hand.
If I had it to do over, I would of never returned to CSX in the 70's. 
  CSX SUCKS!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 09 August 2010

This attendance policy will stick only if the union officials don't do
there jobs.

Some of us currently still have agreements that say we have a certain
amount of time to make moves when we are displaced.  If the company can
over ride the agreements, then the union officials are either in bed
with the carrier, or just plain weak when it comes to doing there job. 
In other words they have no business in those positions, vote them out!

Remember, you & I are the union!  If you want progress its going to
take a slow down, sick out, or strike to fix this problem.  This is
where those union officials will have to earn there pay.

I don't know about any one else, but I'm fed up with the people that
I pay to represent us continue to turn there backs on real issues.

CSX DOES SUCK!  I HAVE NOTHING BUT HATE FOR CSX!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 09 August 2010

Company fags are worse!

Name: HO
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 08 August 2010

union reps are fags

Name: AT CONDUCTOR
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 06 August 2010

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Name: 09
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 06 August 2010

talked to  LC  today we're stuck with this new policy 

even the men up here have cooled down


I guess no one cares they pay for bad representation

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 06 August 2010

I went to the union meeting yesterday. It was a strange one. The
quietest meetings I've ever been to. Seems people are burnt out or
don't care anymore. I didn't speak seeing I'm retired most issues
don't affect me anymore except possibly getting some of the $30,000
worth of my claims paid. LMFAO. I thought that was pretty funny. Thank
goodness another retiree called me after about an hour into it to meet
for lunch. That was my exit.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 06 August 2010

Hey Con 1-10:

Are you sure the only thing the carriers save is insurance cost?
What about their contribution to RR retirement and unemployment and the
additional administrative staff and costs associated with the extra
employees?

It might be more than you think.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 05 August 2010

Extraboard men are there for the sole purpose of covering layoffs! If
people lay off and an extraboard man covers his slot, the extraboard
man gets paid for that day and the assigned man doesn't, therefore it
costs the company nothing. The only thing they save by cutting the need
for extraboard employees is the insurance costs,

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 05 August 2010

Half the people on this board are trolls. Go read a rule book, then
post.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 05 August 2010

Hey Loco 1-10:

There's no doubt CSX spends a lot of money and manpower e-testing
employees. Harassment is certainly a by-product of e-testing when the
managers doing the testing are a bunch of know nothing greenhorns more
interested in climbing the corporate ladder than
learning to railroad.

There was a time, maybe 8 or 9 years ago when CSX promoted men from the
ranks to Trainmasters. In those days if you received a failure it was
likely because they were required to have a certain number of failures,
which seldom triggered investigations.

That all changed after Ward took over...Trainmaster had to have
degrees; whether they knew anything about being a supervisor or the RR.
Then Ward hired Ingram...and what had been a good company to work for
instantly become one of the worst. Investigations and termination
became the order of the day. Ward did do a couple of things I thought
was smart...he reorganized the management structure from 11 layers to 8
layers, which in my opinion is still 3 too many,
and sold the port operations and the ocean going businesses.

CSX is first and foremost a railroad, they need to concentrate on be
the best railroad in North America, there's a lot of room for
improvement, every thing else is cannon fodder. Is CSX a well managed
company or as profitable as they can be? You be the judge...
but you have to look beyond the numbers before you decide.

Controlling payroll costs is certainly a key component to profitability
but then again, so are many other factors. You said
..."that if CSX would spend less time, money, and effort trying to
harass and manipulate it employees those costs would dwindle"... 
CSX's view point is the employees are manipulating the system by
abusing the privilege. As I mentioned in an prior post, CSX is always
short handed on weekends and holidays. It's hard to run trains without
crews and CSX has made efforts to improve attendance
with the SSAs through bonuses and stock awards...the carrot hasn't
worked, now it's stick time.

As far as attending church services, the was a code you used for that
when marking off. I've only seen it used a few times, all by the same
person but that's been years ago. I don't know if that will fly under
the new policy.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 05 August 2010

Even though I'm retired I plan on going to the union meeting this
morning. Curious on what the BLET plans to do with this attendance
policy. One issue in particular the inclusion of vacation, PL, and DV
days as available days which would be counted as time off under the
restrictions placed by CSX. The unions had already fought and won
against the railroads illegally forcing people to use vacation days
ect...for FMLA. The unions were also successful in getting money back
for the vacation & PL days that the railroads illegally took from their
employees under FMLA.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 04 August 2010

I really dont understand what CSX is doing with the layoff policy. I
have seen a post from nomo talking about what is costs csx if a
employee lays off and he has to understand that if CSX would spend less
time, money, and effort trying to harass and manipulate it employees
those costs would dwindle. Most intelligent folks will not even touch
the purchase of CSX stock, because they know it is the most mismanaged
railroad in the US. Myself I am a religious person so I guess I can now
only go to church 1 day a month and can decide on my own if its a
Wednesday or Sunday. If Jesus comes tomorrow what will be CSX's story
to tell.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 04 August 2010

Hey Loco 1-10:

How does CSX lose money if you lay off? Lets quit thinking about
yourself for a moment...how many employees in T&E lay off on any given
day system wide above those on days off, vacation or PL days? For the
sake of the argument, how about 500. That means CSX has to pay men OT
or to double over in yard service to staff their jobs or call an extra
board man. In road service they call an extra board man. Using 500
that's 500 extra board employees above and beyond the extras needed to
cover days off and other legitimate lay offs.

Now consider that benefits for every employee costs CSX an additional
30% above their salary. I don't know what the guarantee is any more
but lets say $150/day. The 500 additional men costs CSX
$22,500/day in benefits. That's $157,500/week or $8,190,000/year.

If you lay off it may only cost CSX $45 but when you put it into
perspective it costs CSX $22,500/day! Now factor in the rest of
transportation.

The new attendance policy is about managing their payroll...had the
employees not abused the privilege they wouldn't be facing such a
harsh policy. If this policy doesn't stop the abuse, the next one will
be harsher yet!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 04 August 2010

Reason an attendance policy is basic simple economics:
It goes back to the days when the union officers bent-over and
took the money. If more could be done with less; then the profits
are limitless because TE&Y employment is cut in half from 20 years
ago and more incidental claims are lost for doing other craft's
assignments.

Name: NoMo is an idiot
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 04 August 2010

Nomo,

    If you layoff you dont get a guarantee....simply as that.  So why
is the RR forcing this attendance policy down our throats?  If you
layoff you dont get paid and the RR is not losing any money.  You a
train master or something?

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 04 August 2010

Is Matt Sanders fired yet for what he did?

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 04 August 2010

re, blet...good post! You must have seen this:
http://richmond.craigslist.org/rnr/1850616511.html

Name: blet
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 20-30 years
Posted: 04 August 2010

I get damned tired of hearing you guys complain about everything.  If
you don't wanna work quit.  No other craft in the R.R. industry looks
for reasons not to work as much as you slackers.  CSX's new attendance
policy is fair to all employees, we should know, we agreed to it.  We
are down here in the General Chariman's office busting our asses for
you guys.  We show up to work 5 days a week (Mon.-Fri.) minus golf
outings and paid holidays (Most of you guys don't get)  Ha!Ha!Ha!.
And, by the way we only make between $95,000 and $125,000 per year
(plus Bribes and Kickbacks).  So, if you don't like it quit.  Good
luck finding another job that pays as well as you guys do without any
higher education  (most of you guys don't have.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 04 August 2010

Hey Con <1:

CSX is doing it because the system has been abused for years by a small
percentage of men. Personal leave is for emergencies and you can take
your vacation in blocks or on a daily basis...it just takes a little
planning. As bad as it may seem, it's no different than most other
companies. 

CSX doesn't want more employees than necessary. It's not unreasonable
that CSX expects employees to be available for work when they're
needed, in fact they guarantee you a minimum income to be availible. Do
away with the guarantee and you can work whenever you want, provided
you're needed. In another month or two you'll have plenty of time to
ponder that after the furloughs begin.

You are probably new to the site...it's not necessary to post under
every topic, we read them all...just pick the best topic!

Name: New layoff policy is BS
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 04 August 2010

ok so if you dont work you dont make money.  Why is CSX doing this
bullshit?  Now it hurts the guys who hardly ever layoff and when an
emergency comes up they either have to use a personal day or vacation. 
WE NEED TO HAVE A SYSTEM WIDE SICK OFF!!!!! fuck the union...they wont
do shit about it so we should.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 04 August 2010

LE 10-20

You better go back and read the new attendance policy. It includes FMLA
as available days. I'm sure there are those who abuse FMLA in fact I
knew one who had it for his wife funny thing was she didn't know about
it. He marked off every weekend he finally got busted not by CSX but
from his wife who noticed his paycheck kept shrinking. FMLA isn't that
easy to get. I tried in 2006-2007 to apply for FMLA to help my Mom who
lived 600 miles away. CSX rejected my application which meant I had to
exhaust all vacation and PL days to help her. In 2007 after exhausting
vacation & PL by mid year I ended up with 4 investigation notices from
CSX under the attendance policy. My LC & RFE helped squash 3 of them
the last one I gave up and took the 2 days overhead. My opinion of CSX
deminished I felt no loyality to the railroad that I gave 30 years of
service to at that point. FMLA is a last resort it isn't to be used
for someones personal gain. There is bad in everything two wrongs
don't make a right.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 03 August 2010

Here's the problem folks: 
http://richmond.craigslist.org/rnr/1850616511.html

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 03 August 2010

The new policy is a joke. This is an attempt to force all working pools
and boards to gauranty with off days. The old policy was workable, but
due to a few lazy POS, who are faking reasons to have FMLA and are
shielded from the policy, the rest of us will have to suffer. As of
today, I am talking with ALL my healthcare providers in order to
establish what I need to do to get FMLA (I'm not working like a slave
when everyone else is at the lake drinking beer!).I suggest everyone do
this. Take a copy of the old policy and the new one and explain the
situation to your doctor. 
The unions wont do a thing until we are terminated and they start
seeing a decline in dues revenue. Union leadership would rather support
illegal immigration and destroying our healthcare plans than to actually
protect dues paying members. If you do go to an absentee investigation,
make sure you ask every official involved how many off days they get-
MAKE THEM ANSWER QUESTION!! Keep fighting!

Name: 09
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 03 August 2010

new notice

no response from the unions yet

utu or ble webpages doesnt mention anything

both the utu and ble local chairmans on our sub laid off saturday union
buisness   we recieved 1 Email that there was a new policy thanks for
the info  and your welcome for the weekend off

its time to do something  i vote strike no one but a fool would follow
this new policy 

if you're on a pool with no off days you're screwed

I really feel for the trainman  no drop turn no pb layoff no off days

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 03 August 2010

The BLET members discussion area was closed down because one of the new
VP's that was promoted recently due to acting BLET President Paul
Sorrows retirement got his feelings hurt. There was never any
discussion about upcoming elections this year. It pertained to his
record as general chairmen. One post did mention that the members
should have the right to vote for every office in the union especially
the general committee. One of the people posting had been a VGC under
this person. Right before they shut it down they were deleting his
post. No one was soliciting votes for anyone that was running for
national office.

Name: red
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 02 August 2010

strike strike strike strike strike strike strike strike strike strike
  

ble utu ble utu ble utu ble utu ble utu ble utu ble utu ble utu ble

they're to blame  we expect this from the company but not the union
you guys are right

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 02 August 2010

Discussion Area


They dont want to hear our problems they dont care they sure wont care
about the new notice




Within recent days there have been several member postings to the
Discussion Area that have raised political issues related to this
year’s election of National Division Officers. Section 49 of the
National Division Rules of the BLET Bylaws states in part that no
“publication or communication financed, directly or indirectly, by a
Union may be used to support or attack any candidate or the candidacy
of any person.” Since the Discussion Area is financed directly by the
National Division, it may not be used to support or attack any
candidate or the candidacy of any person. To prevent any further
violation of Brotherhood law access to the Discussion Area is being
discontinued.

Name: crackhead hogger
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 10-20 years
Posted: 02 August 2010

I would like to say that if there were ever a time to strike CSX, now is
the time.  I have watched this company walk all over our unions and
brothers since I came here in the late 90's.  I've watched as they
divided and conquered us. I've seen my pay drop, benefits being
reduced, and seniority destroyed by the unions and carrier. Now they
want to make sure that I don't get the chance to do anything other
than work.  Period.


I for one vote STRIKE.  If we don't stand up for ourselves, no one
will. The carrier will continue to do what they want until we walk. We
have to show them what we will and will not take.  I will not take this
and am not gonna quit because they don't like it.  CSX just declared
record profits again.  They can afford to hire people and give us time
off work when we would like it.


-Crackhead Hogger.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 02 August 2010

It seems the attendance policy has been revised seven or eight times
over the last 10 years. I don't think it's unreasonable for CSX to
expect their employees to be available, in fact regular attendance is a
condition of employment.

Everybody will agree the mark off privilege has been abused by some.
CSX has been shorthanded on weekends and holidays for years...lets not
forget third trick jobs and rainy days.

I thought the SSA required certain attendance criteria to trigger a
bonus and stock award...if money doesn't work, nothing will!

What would bother me is..."ON 2 OR MORE DAYS IN A ROLLING 4-WEEK
PERIOD WILL BE SUBJECT TO REVIEW". What is a rolling 4-week period?
There's nothing definitive in rolling...I think CSX and the Unions
will interpret it to mean whenever they can charge your ass!  

The UTU and BLEt's influence has been waining for years...they're
impotent do do anything about it and CSX knows it. The Unions might as
well change their name to The Dead Pecker Society because a rooster
shot wont help them put up a (stiff) fight.

CSX has for years wanted every contract employee to have one foot out
the door and the other on a banana peel...meet the peel.

I don't think your fire insurance will pay for attendance related
discipline either.

Your masters voice!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 02 August 2010

August 1, 2010

.......and CSX STILL SUCKS!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 02 August 2010

When you think it can't get any worse. Place has changed drastically in
just one year since I left. This new availability policy even includes
PL, DV, and vacation as available days. That's streaching it. If the
union doesn't do anything this time I'd have to admit their useless.
CSX has gone to far.

Name: yard puke
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 20-30 years
Posted: 02 August 2010

how about pools with no off day  they can lay off 1day out of 28   this
wouldnt even happen at walmart

Name: fed up
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 02 August 2010

C S X   T R A N S P O R T A T I O N    

TIME TO STRIKE THIS SHIT IS OUT HAND  BLE AND UTU EARN YOUR DAMN MONEY
AND TAKE CARE OF THIS OUTRAGE  AND I DONT MEAN SOME HALF SOLUTION WHERE
WE STILL GET SCREWED    DO YOUR JOB AND ILL DO MINE 






                 
                         SYSTEM BULLETINS/NOTICES                      
     
                             JULY      30, 2010                        
     
                                                                       
     
           BULLETINS & NOTICES       SYSTEM NOTICE             108     
     
                                                                       
     
 TO:        ALL CSX EMPLOYEES                                          
     
 LOCATION:  CSX TRANSPORTATION                                         
     
 EFFECTIVE: IMMEDIATELY                                                
     
 SUBJECT:   NEW AVAILABILITY STANDARDS                                 
     
                                                                       
     
 THE NEW AVAILABILITY STANDARDS SUPERCEDE AND REPLACE ALL EXISTING   
 ATTENDANCE MEASUREMENTS AS WELL AS SYSTEM REISSUE NOTICE 100,ITEM 3,
DATED   JULY 1, 2010.                                                  
            
                                                                       
     
 MINIMUM AVAILABILITY                                                  
     
               
EMPLOYEES WHO ARE UNAVAILABLE FOR ANY NON-COMPENSATED REASON    
(OTHER THAN REST DAYS AND TIME OFF MANDATED BY THE HOURS OF            
    SERVICE ACT, AS AMENDED BY THE RAIL SAFETY IMPROVEMENT ACT) ON 2    
    
OR MORE DAYS IN A ROLLING 4-WEEK PERIOD WILL BE SUBJECT TO REVIEW.     
    
                                                                       
    
NOTE:  AVAILABLE TIME INCLUDES ALL COMPENSATED TIME OFF(INCLUDING      
 
VACATION, PERSONAL LEAVE, AND PERSONAL BUSINESS), AS WELL AS TIME     

MARKED-OFF FOR FMLA LEAVE OR FOR ANY OTHER MARK-OFFS PROVIDED BY LAW   
    
                                                                       
    
EXISTING ATTENDANCE DISCIPLINE PROGRESSION PROCESS WILL NOT CHANGE.    
    
                                                                       
    
 * FIRST 2 ATTENDANCE FAILURES HANDLED WITH WARNING LETTERS.           
    
 * FIRST INVESTIGATION - 2 DAYS OVERHEAD FOR 6 MONTHS.                 
    
 * SECOND INVESTIGATION - 5 DAYS ACTUAL SUSPENSION.                    
    
 * THIRD INVESTIGATION - DISCIPLINE ASSESSED - UP TO DISMISSAL.        
    
                                                                       
    
EMPLOYEE'S RECORD WILL CONTINUE TO BE REVIEWED FOR A PERIOD OF        
 
THREE YEARS FROM THE CURRENT INCIDENT.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 31 July 2010

Check out System Notice 108, new attendance policy!

Work short handed because CSXT is too damn cheap to hire any new
employees!

Keep the roosters cut low & squeeze the hell out of profits!

Its ok if you work your bodies into the ground or end up in the
hospital.

CSX is Safety First!

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 23 July 2010

Hey Corp. Off. 30+:

The cycle is now complete...your batting 1000...your wedding and
anniversaries, childbirth, birthdays, baptisms, graduations etc.

You'll probably miss your retirement party too...then you'll die!
Oops I forgot...there's nothing left to miss!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Corporate office, for 30+ years
Posted: 23 July 2010

I missed my own funeral.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 20-30 years
Posted: 22 July 2010

SORT OF OFF TOPIC
I AM A LONG TERM CSX EMPLOYEE AND KNOW THE DRAWBACKS AND ADVANTAGES OF
THIS WORK. A LONG TIME FRIENDS (FORMER RR EMPLOYEE) WELL EDUCATED SON
JUST MOVED TO FULTON, MO. TO TEACH SCHOOL. HIS BROTHER, EQUALLY SMART
BUT NO EDUCATION (BOTH EARLY 30'S)WANTS TO JOIN HIM THERE BUT SEEMS TO
FOCUS ON BURGER KING AND QUICKY MART. PROBABLY SAME HASSLE @ HALF THE
PAY. SURELY THERE IS A RR JOB WITHIN DRIVING RANGE THAT IS BETTER THAN
THAT! PERHAPS CNIC? ANY THOUGHTS OR SUGGESTIONS? THANKS! DIRECT E-MAIL
TO dieselshop3 at y a h o o dot com (misspelled so the web spiders
don't harvest).

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for N/A
Posted: 20 July 2010

Interesting link that says it all and should be addressed:
http://richmond.craigslist.org/rnr/1850616511.html

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 16 July 2010

Conductor 1-10
I think your phone is ringing. You are so off base, it might be time to
take a nap.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 13 July 2010

this is in response to signal bitch. obviously your dumbass doesnt know
that csx is not in california so it was not us that killed those
people. your pussy ass wouldnt last a week on the line of road with us
so shut your fuckin mouth and fix our signals so we can get the real
work done!!!!

Name: signal man 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 1-10 years
Posted: 04 July 2010

this has got to be a joke.. A big group of conductors and engineers that
have nothing better to do then cry. I am a signalman with CSX and have
never heard anyone cry and bitch as much as you guys. If you dont like
your jobs then quit. It is because of your rule violations and not
paying attention you ever get in trouble. Everytime I have to go to a
meeting with trans I hate it you are a big group of crying bitches.
Also it was a trans person that is making us work extra hard under FRA
and now we have to add PTC because one of you guys in California killed
a bunch of people while texting. Here is a hint, try to go get another
job and see if you get paid 50+K a year to sit on your ass and complain
because a caller runner didnt bring you ice and crew packs.

Name: Tank
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 03 July 2010

took a look at the proposed consolidation that CSX wants to impose. 
Looks like Montgomery and Erwin are really gonna take up the ass.  Also
it is very obvious that CSX is kissing the SCL's ass and wanting to
punish the L&N for voting down the last agreement.  Wow what a great
company to work for.  The L&N local chairmen need to get off there
asses and stop this before shit really hits the fan.  Would like to
hear what everyone else has to say about this horse shit

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 03 July 2010

Did the webmaster forget about this website? Doesn't look like it has
been updated in the longest time. well besides the daily comments that
people post.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 28 June 2010

RRJ,
The time has passed when a person worked for the RR, and did it for the
family. To much free money laying around, to many folks that have never
had a job. They never wanted a job and neither did their mom and DAD??

Dad took of when mom was expecting, and worked the streets, taking
anything that was there. I see them everyday. They trash every
neighborhood that they live in. They live there because of section 8
and other gov programs, and they are not all Black either.

My intention was to comment on Free money from the RR. As I recall
drawing it a few times it was based on 500 miles per week. Stay marked
up for 7 days and draw a free day if you had less than 500 miles or 5
starts for the preceding week. I was always on the road and drew a few,
not many. As I recall it paid less than a straight day, around $10.00 or
so.

Oh Well so much for my ranting.

Name: Ms danvill
E-mail: Asmo
Employed as: Yard Master, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 26 June 2010

Word is Angie smith won her case against Csx . Found Csx guilty on all
counts/sexual harrassment withthanks going too wes knick. Next followed
up by retaliation for daring to report it.. Honor goes to jack Vierling
for firing her . Maybe Csx can sell his black belt in six sigma with
jay fleenors dentures and have enough for attorney fees. Honorable
mention goes to Terry schray and randy hall for nailing down the loose
ends and making sure the jurors had no doubt what a sleazy bunch Csx
has at the hel

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 26 June 2010

Your right Goob things should of been left alone. Today they complain if
they have to work seeing drawing a gaurentee leaves no incentive. When
it was feast or famine we were glad to accept the call. Years of being
on an extra board meant you had something to look forwards eventually
getting a job on a freight pool. Those gaurentees placed a lot of
restrictions on the job gone were the days a person could mark off for
28 days without recourse from the railroad. The railroads now control
the numbers on the XB which are kept low. Many a payday while working
the XB I'd get my check from the paymaster then move to the right to
sign up for days of unemployment for time missed while marked up.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 24 June 2010

RRJ,
Sounds right.
All they could talk about in the late 60's was the Guaranteed income
that they wanted so badly.
Looking back losing the 100 mile day, Vacation based on years ETC.

It sure would be nice if things had been left alone. Work or Starve was
the way it was, and no one really bitched about it. I spent more time on
the off board than I did working, and no one said a word. We had married
folks trying to make a living and many single folks like me wanting a
few bucks to screw around with.

When I left it was the same. However I had married and went from
leisure to taking every trip, however except for emergency I could work
1 day a month if I wanted to and no one said anything. These were the
good times to RR.

Name: JUST FUCKING WORKING
E-mail: 
Employed as: Corporate office, for 30+ years
Posted: 23 June 2010

for the working stiff suck ass condickter csx will fuck you up the ass
for kissing ther ass you stupid sob.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 22 June 2010

Goob

Those days ended in the early '90s when the basic day was raised from
100 miles to 130.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 20 June 2010

As I remember from the 60's it was years of service to earn a
Vacation.
I always had 2 weeks and never worked any amount of days to qualify.
I do remember that cut off employees would lose some vacation,
depending on how many months they were on the street. So earning a
vacation one year to enjoy it the next was there. Day's worked was
not.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 19 June 2010

To make vacation it's 234 days for the road and 240 days for the yard.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 19 June 2010

Its always been 240 starts as long as I can remember

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 16 June 2010

Hey Red:

At the most, you're only talking six starts...either way, with the HOS
law I doubt you'll qualify!

Name: red
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 16 June 2010

I've been laid off and just came back to work.  I'm on the road. Does
anyone know how many qualifing days I need for vacation.

I'm hearing 240 or 234 does anyone know for sure.

Thanks

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 15 June 2010

new dude

Oldheads knew what it was like when the railroad wasn't in the shape
it's in. They've earned the right to say "it's bad". We've seen a
lot of changes very few have been positive. They are having just as hard
of a time adjusting to the constant barrage of rule changes and
intimidation as those who are barely vested or just hiring out.
Oldheads know their limitations on how far they can push management
that comes with experience. Most are vested they'll stay their time is
short. Study that rule book stay on top of things that is the best one
can do. Use the rules to your advantage. It's not that easy one day if
it hasn't happened already a trainmaster will order you to violate a
rule. Best advise get a witness write the info down on paper
date/time/TM name ect...then the witness and you sign it. It's for
your protection.

Name: New dude
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 15 June 2010

ladies and gentlemen,

    I am new to CSX and based on what i have read this company sucks,
but only because management interprets the rule book one way and the
union guys another.  Granted i think management uses intimidation and
will not hesitate to fire someone even without due process but call me
new but as long as i follow the rules i will not have a problem.  I am
sure the day i get fired my opinion will change, but luckily I am
trying to get as familiar with the rules book as possible so they
can't find a bullshit reason.  Also i keep hearing oldheads saying how
bad it is, well maybe they need to work outside of the RR and they will
see it sucks everywhere.  Good luck finding a job that has good
retirement like the RR, because this day in age 401K isn't worth dick.
 Also just for the record....BANNERS are to me harassment.  Does
management have anything else better to do?  Thank God we passed this
idiotic test with flying colors.

Name: Dr Ruth
E-mail: 
Employed as: Train Master/ supervisor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 15 June 2010

C&O Joe:

Sounds like to me you may be the one that needs laid. Maybe you and Wes
could do each other since you both seem to be experts on who needs
fucked.

Name: Mongo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 12 June 2010

I just put in apps for Batlimore, Cumberland and Richmond VA. Granted if
Im lucky to get interviewed and hired. Does anyone know what these
terminals are like? I see good and bad comments at this site so I
figure someone here can hopefully give me a straight answer. I live in
PA and applied for openings in VA and MD.....what are the odds of
getting hired? Does it matter that Im willing to relocate or am I SOL
since I live in PA and would have to move myself down to near the
terminal that I would hopefully luckly get hired at. Any advice on the
interviews and what not would be of great help.

Name: Det. Munch
E-mail: blowme@yahho.com
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 10 June 2010

The mechanical department has steadily slid into craptitude.  The final
blow was the appointment of Gary Bethel as VP-Mechanical.  At the time
of the appointment, a short-line was advertising for the very same
position.  Bethel did not qualify for the job.  Now, how did he qualify
for the job on a class 1 railroad?  As long as this board of directors
continues to smile and giggle as Ward blows smoke up their stovepipe,
it will continue to suck.  These morons spend alot of time writing
people up instead of training them, and it is pathetic.  And hiring
trainmasters off the street without training them in the jobs they are
actually supervising is the height of insanity.  They're all company
drones.  If they don't see it on the monthly video, they don't know
it at all.  How these guys pass their pods is beyond me.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 08 June 2010

LE 1-10

It's not CSX fault if you feel you're under paid. No one forced
anyone to vote for the BLET/CSX SSA. You can't cry over spilled milk
now. That's the problem with this generation they can't see beyond
their faces. It'll get worse as the years go on with stagnant wages.

Name: Tank
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 08 June 2010

Hey Nomo,

      I will bet you 100% i keep my job, why don't you go suck on the
corp teet and go screw one of your train master budddies

Name: t cat
E-mail: 
Employed as: Engine repair, for 10-20 years
Posted: 08 June 2010

act stupid ,, they will never ask you to do nothing again.. thats what i
found out ,, only company snitches do all the work the rest of us just
lay low and collect checks!

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 08 June 2010

I'm thinkin' the Tank is talkin' tough. I doubt he is willing to give
up his job. I'll bet you money he marks off.

Tank shut up...you lose!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 08 June 2010

hey tank your thinking right just take it the distance. dont give the
sobs 5 min just call relief dont tell a lie like my head hurts or
anything just call and walk

Name: Tank
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 08 June 2010

Friend of CSX worker,

     My wife is pregnant as well and i will be damned if i turn off my
phone.  If i am at work when she calls i will tell her to call the YM
or Train Dispatcher (depending where i am working) one time.  If i dont
get a response in 5 minutes, my ass is off and gone.  They don't want
you to interferer with them making money and your outside life is at
the very bottom of the list of core values

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 08 June 2010

CSX has the oldest fleet of engines & we are the lowest paid employees
of all the class I railroads.

CSX SUCKS!

Name: cjones
E-mail: 
Employed as: Engine repair, for 1-10 years
Posted: 03 June 2010

There is noone to complain to about the shape of the engines, its the
management at the shops that wont let us fix the locomotives. If we
write it up they get someone else to look at it and sign it off or say
I didnt know what I was talking about. They are putting you and the
public at risk, running locomotives with bad wheels, oil leaks and fuel
leaks. I should know I work there, and have seen it. I have seen them do
92day work in the ready the field where it cant all be done, traction
motor grease goes unchecked. I asked an older guy which oil to put in
one of the newer EMD;s and he said he didnt know because he had never
done it, meaning he just signs off the work and sends it out the door.
They are suppose to be doing a complete air test on the unit when it
leaves the shop, and they dont. One of the older guys said hey did you
see that locomotive stop when they jogged it in here, its good no
reason to check the brakes. I was forced to do an air test and I didnt
know how to do it and they threatend to pull me out of service if I
didnt. They thought I wouldnt be able to find anything wrong. Well I
found a book with instructions and I found  60 pound main resivoir
leak, it dropped 20 pounds every three minutes. Boy were they pissed
that I found it, The air compressor was bad and it was blowing back
through causing the leak. Now what if I didnt find that  or they got
someone else to do it that didnt give a crap, someone could have got
killed when that compressor burnt up and it would have. I tried my best
to do my job and they didnt like so they stopped assigning as much work
to me. There is another guy I work with who will kill a unit if its not
right and he will write up so much stuff they cant outshop, but on the
other he doesnt mind fixing what he finds. He told me if your gonna
write it up you better be prepared to fix it because manangement will
try to punish you by making you do the work. Alot of people write up
things, thinking the next shift will take care of it, but for someone
kills two  out of three engines a day you have to be prepared to go the
distance and do the work to stick it to management. Managers get so mad
when they cant make a number(meaning outshop a unit)thats all they care
about, jacksonville watches the shop count and calls when they are not
getting units out.
Guys it is your job to take care of the locomotives, if everyone picks
up there trash and just puts it in a bag and dont destroy the cabs
because your pissed off at the company, turn that anger into inspecting
the locomotive prior to leaving, open those engine doors and look at the
fuel pumps on a GE make sure they arent leaking(fire hazard) look at the
wheels, you guys have been running engines long enough to know when a
wheel is out of spec. CSX doesnt care about you or the shape of the
locomotive all they want is money

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 02 June 2010

Congratulations on the birth of your child. I'm glad your husband made
it and I hope that he'll just get a slap on the wrist for leaving work
without permission. Which it could be a major offense. If he has a clean
record not much should happen. That's a tough call seeing local
management doesn't dole out anything anymore they take orders from
their superiors. You must realise that for your husband to leave meant
shutting down that job and that is the way CSX will look at it. There
are no on site replacements to do that means calling another person in
which could take 2 hours or more and cause delays. To be a railroad
spouse you must think like a military spouse you will act as the role
of both parents most of the time.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 01 June 2010

YM less than a year

If you read beyond your blinders which keeps you ignorant I'm retired
my opinion was one of good sound advise. I don't care if anyone takes
my advise. CSX will continue to harrass and fire people at their will
if people don't get their heads out of their arses and start thinking
before making stupid moves. What's wrong with being Southern? Which
again your wrong I started my railroading in Ohio then moved down
south. It's funny we had more control over our jobs then you'll ever
know but like most of America today the worker has lost out. Try to
have a nice carreer. Being a YM isn't to pleasant of a job with TM's
directing your moves which their higher ups are directing their moves
which makes TM & YM nothing but goffers. That's a sad state to be in.
At least I left with my pride in tact by just doing what they wanted 
and made plenty of
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for 1-10 years
Posted: 01 June 2010

So I am a spouse of an Employee...I went into labor and called my
spouse/employee to let them know that their child was coming and soon.
Said employee worked over an hour away from home. Said employee advised
me the only reason their phone was answered was because they were on
lunch and I had to call yard master to contact them or they would
suffer serious consequences for answering phone, even while on lunch
time. I called yard master and explained situation and asked yard
master to radio my spouse ASAP because baby is coming and I am heading
to hospital...10 minutes...20 minutes...25 minutes and employee calls
me back saying WTF did you call yard master to contact me?...YES I
called yard master and said please contact my husband and let him know
his baby is coming...had to call yard master again...long story
short...spouse had to run off job without yard master permission to be
at the hospital for birth of first child...was written up as "calling
off on duty" to be home in time for part of their child's birth. The
yard master never informed employee of spouses call even though i
personally spoke to yard master 2x's. Talk about core values.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Yard Master, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 01 June 2010

to RRJ:

Although you may be a traimaster or just a southern 'company man'
type...we all have to get what we can get these days...but this whole
adapt crap...i guess if csx wanted  you to eat turds every shift,
you'd be more than happy to 'adapt'...that's just a load of
crap...AMERICANS worked and fought hard to have a more-than-mexican
existence...but then again, you 'adapt' like a cockroach to an any
circumstance or condition...cockroaches get squashed in the end... dont
listen to this company-man crap...fight the power every day in every
way!!!

Name: screw csx
E-mail: screwcsx@gofockyourself.com
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 31 May 2010

just wanted to say Happy Memorial Day to all Union brothers and sisters.
 As far as CSX goes, YEP, YOU STILL SUCK!!!  Enjoy and happy drinking!!!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Yard Master, for 20-30 years
Posted: 31 May 2010

Angie Smith vs. CSX case goes to court in Danville 0900 Tuesday June
1st. Anyone in the area may want to see this show. Come to the court
house and see all your favorite Characters....Frulla, Vierling,
Fleenor, Wes Knick, Randy Hall, Terry Schray and last but not least a
special guest appearance by no other than Gery Williams. Guaranteed to
have more dirt and scandal out in public than an Jerry Springer
episode.

Name: Freddie Krueger
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 30 May 2010

It's not like working for the Nazis, the Nazis were run better.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Car repair, for 10-20 years
Posted: 18 May 2010

Carman in Selkirk NY,I am hearing that the FRA is camped out in Waycross
GA. What is going on, Is Matt Carson still employed?

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 18 May 2010

If CSX is like working for Nazi's then quit. No one is holding a gun to
your head. I still can't understand if someone has literally no time
invested out here and hates it why would they stick around. You either
adapt or leave. Go to railroad.net to the forum employment section
there you'll see people explaining other railroads ethics and they're
no different then CSX. That's a fact.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 16 May 2010

Hey Drinky:

Sounds like you're from NO...is Gabby's still open?

Name: Drinky the drunk guy
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 16 May 2010

Sounds like you have an alcoholic trainmaster in Danville WV.  In new
orleans they just had a trainmaster fail a breath test.  He had just
got out of rehab for drinking on the job and Angie Averitte was in NOLA
for a couple of days and tipped him off that the nurse was there to test
him.  He just did not come into work.  The next day they were back and
he showed up and the idiot failed the test.  This trainmaster, Joe
Rider also fired more people than anybody there....and he was caught
drinking on the job.  Think about that for a minute.  That whole
terminals officals are the biggest bunch of drunks on the railroad. 
Angie was over saftery for the Atl Division and could not even drive to
work because she had so many DUI's.

Name: worker
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 15 May 2010

worlking for CSX is like working for the NAZI's!

Name: Tank
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 14 May 2010

only been back for less than month after this wonderful company
furloughed me before i could complete training.  Anyways meet all the
train master at my yard the when i got back and all of them said unlike
what the old heads think we are not here to fire you we just want to
make sure your safe.  They went on about how they don't want to do all
the paper work involved in firing someone.  I believed what they said
for about a week.  That is when a job in my yard had a derailment
because two empty flat cars bunched up and derailed.  The same young
train master who told me we was here for us and not here to fire anyone
was so, so, so excited saying " i finally got me one, i have been
looking to fire someone"  These were the exact words from his mouth. 
Never have i seen someone so excited to put a working man on the street
without a care.  What was funny is the investigation proved the crew was
not at fault which made this train master looking even more like a
asshole.  
    If any traim master out there read this, don't fill young guys
like me heads full of shit about how you don't won't fire us. 
Because we all know yall are full of pure shit.

Name: L & N Trainman
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 14 May 2010

have been hearing around my yard that since the L&N voted the new
agreement down and i do mean really voted it down that CSX is trying to
take jobs away from Nashville, Birmingham, and Louisville and give them
to Chattanoga (can't spell it) as some sort of punishment for the NO
vote.  Anyone else heard of this and if so what is going on?

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 14 May 2010

Drop a few pounds!

Name: me,me,me
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 13 May 2010

i was at the redi center taking the refresher course and i came off the
ladder.... and i have to go back in 28 days to do this again does
anyone have any advice to help me to train and to pass this once
more??? thanks in advance to all that helped

Name: LMAO!
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 13 May 2010

Thanks for the link to Marcus Calhoun McCants facebook page.  NOMO son
is friends with him!   LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Name: jsmith
E-mail: 
Employed as: Engine repair, for 1-10 years
Posted: 13 May 2010

These contracts get passed because the Union is in bed with the RR, I
wish we could get rid of these Unions and start are own. We would be
better off being represented by our own people and just hope they dont
get greedy and get bought by the RR.

On another note, Please check your wheels on your locomotives before
departing. I work at a engine house and know through other people that
wheel reports have been doctored, meaning changed to look like they are
good just so they can outshop the unit. If you dont know how to gage
wheels go on the Domino site on the gateway and read the Safe Job
procedure or SMR and I am sure you can get a wheel gage from someone at
a shop. If you wanna stick it to CSX look at your wheels on every unit
in the consist. I have changed all the traction motors on unit because
it derailed. That unit had no buisness being on the rail. I wish I had
thought to write down the unit number but I didnt. Please check your
wheels, supervisors will run units with bad wheels. I found some bad
wheels oneday and the supervisor wouldnt have them cut and said the
unit didnt come in the shop for that so we are not cutting them or
replacing them. I had a supervisor want me to read a wheel with a hand
gage because the electronic gage said it was out of spec. He was trying
to get me to say the wheel was okay and I wouldnt do it. On another
ocassion I was told to go and qualify some bolster pads and if I didnt
pass them he was. Needless to say I didnt qualify them and they dont
ask me to do much anymore because they know I wont sign it off to go
back on the road unless its right. Alot of the othe rmachinist will do
things for them such as sign off on stuff that aint fixed or hasnt been
fixed. I have thought about going to the News and newspaper and squeal
like a pig on there safety practices, things that I have seen and seen
done by others.

Its hard to stop this kind of thing and get someone important to take
notice and do something about it. All this lobbying by CSX is one
problem, who is gonna step on there toes when there pockets are getting
padded.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for 1-10 years
Posted: 12 May 2010

Speaking of Baltimore, how's ol' Traimaster Will Blanchetti doing?

Name: Danny Lash
E-mail: Tobykieth@yahoo.com
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 09 May 2010

Baltimore terminal sucks ass!!!!

Name: me
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 06 May 2010

when does the montgomery a.w.p get paid next? and do they paid every
week or every two weeks? getting transferd there and would like to know
so i can see when and how to pay my bills ....thanks in advance....and
what is the conductor gurantee pay ??

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 03 May 2010

Does anyone know if this McCant guy or whoever he is, has sex with his
rule book?  This man was a real piece of work and needs to get a life
instead of pointing out the most minor of things wrong.  I see now that
management only points out what is wrong instead of pats on the back. 
Good greif this asshole is a real piece of shit

Name: Be happy in your work
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 03 May 2010

Did you know that=== Todd Novak ===is planing to come back to work , at
collinwood yard . this skum bag was the BLE treasurer in cleveland ,and
was convited for stealing money from his brothers and union people . He
stated all he was doing was using for a while and planed to pay it back
. sounds like every other embeleser , i would like to see what union
local is going to take him back ?????   do not let ====Todd Novak===
back !!!!!!!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 01 May 2010

What is going on in Selkirk?

Name: Sandy
E-mail: 
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 29 April 2010

This is a very serious state of affairs. Isn't anyone overseeing what
is going on in the Selkirk area?

Name: jsmith
E-mail: 
Employed as: Engine repair, for 1-10 years
Posted: 28 April 2010

I posted some info on here about several employee having to testify in
front of the Federal Grand jury a week or so ago about the harassament
and intimidation of injured employee. I have heard several indictments
were handed down on CSX, I have looked several times on here to see if
there was any response to the info I posted but there wasnt. I figured
you guys would be happy about some info like this. In 2008 in Waycross
every manager had been fired, demoted or told they had to go somewhere
else. They were caught signing off work packets and working on
locomotives in the ready field(doing 92 day work), so in other words
there were bribing employees with overtime pay to sign off the work. An
employee was injured and they let him sit in the safety office for
almost a year without reporting his injury, threatened to fire him if
he reported, allowed other employees to harrass him and they would not
let him go in the office without an escort. They sent Chuck Arwood to
take over for the plant manager they fired. Chuck would hide in the
parking lot trying to catch people leaving early, he would also try to
enter peoples vehicles. Ethics was called, someone came and took the
DVR storage device for the video cameras because Chuck was caught on it
pulling on door handels of employees vehicles. There were alot of
injuries after Chuck took over, one person was fired because he put the
worng date on the injury report and his friend lied and said he didnt
fall, The guy had to have a disc replaced. CSX is a bad place to work,
I suggest we the employee's hold them accountable by filing complaints
and lawsuits. We need to keep a close eye on management and document
everything and start standing up to them. Someone posted some
information about the RCO operator that was killed on the CSX message
board on Yahoo finance and it was removed.

Name: who
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 21 April 2010

where does the Montgomery awp run ?

Name: jsmith45
E-mail: 
Employed as: Engine repair, for 1-10 years
Posted: 21 April 2010

Several employees from Waycross had to testify in front of a Federal
Grand jury two weeks ago. I believe some indictments were handed down
on CSX. All this stems to the harassment and intimidation of injured
employees. One was fired a while back because he put the wrong date on
the injury report and the witness was at fault for his injury and he
lied on the poor guy to save his job. I think the guy that got hurt had
to have a disc replaced in his back. I hope CSX gets what they deserve
from the grand jury.

Name: Joe Shit the Ragman
E-mail: 
Employed as: M of W, for 30+ years
Posted: 11 April 2010

Damn near finally free of this company after 34 years. There were some
really good people I worked with over the years and some real assholes
. To the good guys , I'm gonna miss you all. To the Assholes ....For
your sake I hope I never run into y'all again . I dont like jail 
HAHAHAHA

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 03 April 2010

Pop's

Great to hear from you. I was officially retired on Mar 4th got my
first full retirement check yesterday. It's still fresh and hasn't
sunk in, but it will. I just got back from visiting friends in the
mountians no stress drove in the right hand lane pissing people off
because I wasn't in a hurry. That was one noticable change while
working you knew time off was limited an every minute counted. Not
anymore. Couldn't of asked for a better day yesterday driving it was
in the '80s the Blue Ridge & Alleghany mountians were beautiful.
People always ask "What are you going to do with yourself" the answer
"Anything I want!!!". I plan on doing some volunteer work with the
county a few times a week. I'm going to take the next year and scout
around for a retirement location hopefully I'll find my log cabin
nestled in the Appalachians or Smokey Mountians. Life is good.

Sonny

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 02 April 2010

The last of the furloughed in Louisville have been called back.  Also,
13 cut-backs have been marked back up to Engineer. Progress?

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 02 April 2010

Hey HTL:

Doing great...glad to hear life is treating you well. Spend some of
that 401K on some more clothes and you won't have to waste precious
time packing and unpacking...just straight to the shuffleboard, golf 
and gin games.

You mentioned road rage and always being in a rush to get someplace. It
occurred to me the other day as I sat stopped waiting on a funeral
procession to pass; that we spend our entire lives trying to get
somewhere. We are constantly stopped by traffic, weather, accidents,
stop light etc. Then, when you're in no rush at all, you get a police
escort out of town during the lunch hour. The trip to the graveyard
takes you 15 minutes instead of an hour.

It makes me think they're ready do get rid of you...or is just me?

Hope you didn't get flooded out...sump pumps don't work unless
there's electricity, just ask the folks in Fairfield County, CT!

Name: ht long
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 30+ years
Posted: 01 April 2010

sonny,

wow your are hanging up your work boots for good! glad to hear that.

I am getting packed and will venture north for summer soon.

in a few months you wont even think about the RR and if you do you 

will be amazed at how you lived that life for decades????

the few warnings about retirement  are,

dont sit idle make sure you do something everyday no matter how 

trivial it is.

you will find out that friends & family will keep you busy account 

of they think hey he is retired and has all the time in the world 

also the excuse for not doing things because you might have to go to 

work is out the window and you must face yourself with do I want to 

do this or not?  this is what drives me the most ...all those  

years of blaming the RR are gone.

when you meet new friends and are asked to meet at a certain day or 

time....you can say SURE WHY NOT!!!!  

once you get used to a "normal" life you will find yourself with no 

road rage when driving because you dont have to be anywhere on time 

anymore.

last but not least dont be cheap....spend your money on you!!!!

its your time, did you expect a 401k when you hired out? hell no 

spend it ,enjoy it ,before you are to old and need the money for 

walkers.

I have to go pack.......well maybe I'll start tomorrow.....or the 

next day.......IAM RETIRED...I DO THINGS WHEN I WANT TOO! 

how ya doin NOMO!

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 31 March 2010

Hey Wasted:

You talk a good game but if you work for CSX in the end you still pay
your dues!

Name: wasted my time with the unions
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 31 March 2010

Man—every man—is an end in himself, not a means to the ends of others;
he must live for his own sake, neither sacrificing himself to others
nor sacrificing others to himself; he must work for his rational
self-interest, with the achievement of his own happiness as the highest
moral purpose of his life. 

Once you union morons understand this, you will move on with your
lives.

Till then, you will praise Obama, the democrats, and others, that
demean you and your being by accepting the scraps they give you.

Michael Ward understands that!

Honor is self-esteem made visible in action. I am a man who does not
exist for others.

Solidarty my ass!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 March 2010

NoMo

Smith Mountian Lake is expensive seeing it's a couple hours from DC.
All those congressmen can afford it seeing they gave themselves a
$23,000 raise this year while denying those on social security a COLA
adjustment. Even a vacation trailer up there runs around $90,000 if you
can find one. I'm glad three people I know already have places and one
has a 32' boat he keeps on the lake. When I head down south I'll get
your info to stop in to tip a few.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 20 March 2010

Hey RRJ:

Funny you mentioned Smith Mountain Lake...I saw something on TV the
other night about it...looks relaxing but the property (houses) was
expensive. I guess if you're a government employee or lobbyist you can
afford it.

Make sure you stop by Mobile on your way to/from Florida and we'll
lift a few. The reason the RR retirees are so happy is because they
lived long enough to enjoy the fruits of their labors!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 20 March 2010

NoMo

The grandkids live in Northern California. I need to spend sometime
with them without their mother. Last visit she was the pain. In a few
years when their 5 & 7 I'll take them down to Disneyland. This year
I'd like to get them further up north out of the bay area to see the
groves of giant Redwoods. Very impressive. City kids remind me of a toy
commercial a few years ago about a little boy at a petting zoo the
little city kid goes up to a goat and says "Here doggie". My son he
was born and raised in the bay area and has never really ventured far
from home. For me it's nice to visit but to claustraphobic. 

As far as the railroad it is different being on the outside looking in.
Once your on the outside you're quickly forgotten. That's the way it
is. Nice part retirees hang out together. Can't wait to get everything
settled with recieving my annuity payments great group of guys they do a
lot of traveling down to Florida, a few have condos up in Smith Mountian
Lake ect...they have all reassured me there is life after the railroad.
I've never seen a happier bunch of railroaders.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 20 March 2010

Hey RRJ:

Your grandchildren are 3 and 5...it might be time for a visit! Do they
live in CA? They're about the right age for Disneyland, provided of
course that Mom and Dad come along for the heavy lifting.

In the 8 months you were out, you've had a view from the outside in.
It's certainly a different view isn't it? The longer you're gone the
broader the view gets. I don't know if it's the RR or the outside but
one of them is alien.

One day, if it hasn't already happened, you'll be stopped at a RR
crossing waving at the engineer as he goes by thinking about how lucky
he is to have that job...then the train will clear and the gates will
go up and you drive off sipping your beer wondering why you had that
thought. 

Deja vu!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 20 March 2010

NoMo

Passing the buck has always been PC. I'm not worried about the unions
this new generation told me their going to make change. We have a new
generation that is use to seeing the elderly warehoused in retirement
facilities or assisted living. Going to see grandpa & grandma has a
whole different meaning. They have no respect because society created a
monster. They have no need for advise from those who have endured and
graduated thru the school of hard knocks. They curse an embrace
technology at the same time. It's got to be confusing. Which is
obvious seeing they lay blame on others for technological advances that
have led to terminating jobs but can't live without their ipods,
iphones, lap tops ect.... Even though they weren't around when most of
it happened. They dispise that the unions got protection agreements for
those who were adversely affected by change in the '80s & n'90s then
cry that the union doesn't do anything. Why should I care? I keep
trying to answer that question. I guess retirement hasn't settled in
with me yet. Hopefully I'll be like Pop's and just fade away.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 19 March 2010

Hey RRJ:

People seem to forget that this shit has been going on for years but
overlook it as long as it doesn't adversely affect them. Then when the
time comes to pay the piper, they want to bitch and groan about it and
demand action...but they want someone else to do it.

The UTU, BLEt and for that matter the rest of them are no different.
The membership looks at them as necessary evils, the cost of
opportunity. I'm afraid organized labor has over reached the tipping
point. The golden era of labor unions and represented workers in this
country has been on the decline since the 70's and is now long gone!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 19 March 2010

CSX sucks so does the UP, BNSF, NS ect...all the railroads have people
furloughed. In fact the UP has twice as many people furloughed than any
other railroad. Why not blame Wall Street or the bankers they were the
culprits responsible for bringing down the economy. Why not blame a
congress that refused to regulate the banking system or the SEC for not
doing their job monitoring illegal activities. There were people that
warned the goverment and regultory agencies about a collapse it was
ignored.

Name: furloughed cubbie
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 16 March 2010

going on month 14 of being furloughed and CSX still sucks

Name: Southwest airlines
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 10 March 2010

Hand scanner? Talk to an aircraft mechanic and get some skydrol. Put it
on your hand then scan. Let the skydrol do its trick.

Name: steve
E-mail: hmstoo@hotmail
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 09 March 2010

Hey Skippi! I started with CSX in the 70s and quit in the 90s.
Retirement age was changed when Regan was in office. I wasn't eligible
for full benefits until I was 66 & 9 months.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Car repair, for 1-10 years
Posted: 09 March 2010

anybody figured out how to beat the hand scanner yet???

Name: Freddie Krueger
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 04 March 2010

One more Spencer to go, then I will really celebrate....

Name: Jesus Nomo
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 02 March 2010

LOL!  Nomo said this.......

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 22 February 2010

Hey Con 1-10:

Lets get one thing straight...first I'm not your buddy. Secondly, at
28 your not old enough to know the difference between shit and
shinola.


If you've been in furlough status for four years, why would you hang
around the crew room and make yourself mad by watching the old heads
tally their earning statements? Or better yet, why haven't you taken
a
transfer...I'm sure they have been offered.

Why are the "young guys" suffering to feed their family? Perhaps you
can favor all of us by telling us what kind of trucks they drive and
how they live. The old heads can drive those trucks because their
families are grown and hopefully off their dole, their houses are paid
for. Their expenses are less than a young man with a family.

Life is full of choices...you can save and invest money now or you can
spend it on impressing your friends. Make the wrong choice now and
you'll regret it later.

Any one under 30 has never seen truly tough times. Times are tough and
will get tougher before they get better, sounds like the regrets are
starting.

By the way, I have a '01 GMC Yukon and a '99 MB ML450 and the money
I've saved on notes, insurance and tags will pay for a nice extended
family vacation in Europe this summer or buy one of my Grandchildren a
P.A.C.T. contract which will pay for their college education.

Like I said, it's their money and they can spend it however they want
to. If they are suffering however, do you think it might be because of
the choices they made?







What he failed to add is that he is full of shit and that he was
selling his furniture to his step son not that long ago.  The step son
that still works for railroad.

Name: rel'd women of B'ham
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 02 March 2010

Great news everyone,          yeah!!!!!yeah!!!!!!heah!!!!!    
  Danny Spencer has been fired as a CSX officer,  the days of fucking
with peoples wifes, chickenshit failures, lying to everyone, stepping
on toes has finally caught up with old Danny. Too bad he did'nt get
fired completely. Would have been nice to have seen his seniority taken
away so he could see what it feels like to be on the other end of things
for a change. Ever heard of 'Karma' Danny? well you finally got yours.

Name: averagejoe
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 21 February 2010

still furloughed cubby

your probalby right about hearing about csx starting to hire again
while they have people furloughed.
the union does nothing about it though becuase once you are hired you
have to join the union or face bieng fired so yes i have said it once
and will say it again the union cares for itself
as long as they get thier dues they dont care where it comes from csx
can hire and furlough as much as they want as long as a certian number
of each respective union members are forced to pay dues the unions dont
care just like the company as long as they get thiers.
people bitch about csx and god knows i do too i dont even work their
used to be a dream but i am a very astute young man and after carefull
reading i came up with what i just said.
as long as the unions get thiers what the hell ever to the members now
im not saying do away with the unions im just saying as long as there
is enough members in service for the unions to still be profitable
there will be no change for the better of the working class men, no
strikes, no arguments hell it seems like anymore you feel lucky to have
the chance to sacrafice a finger to save a arm so i ask all of you is
that the meaning of a union
give them a little to sacrafice livelyhood what happens when we run out
of fingers then they take the arm and we feel lucky they didnt take the
other arm guys there isnt an end im not asking for answers just trying
to see if you can see where im coming from im likel the control i look
on from the outside read the contracts and weigh the options and the
options are as i just stated

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 21 February 2010

With regard to the post by the furloughed cubby concerning the phone
calls he made to Jacksonville and the conflicting answers he received.


I am assuming he spoke with representatives from the same dept.,
probably CMC. The answers he got speak volumes to CSX's lack of
leadership. The right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing.
This holds true for intradepartmental as well interdepartmental
communication and coordination.

CSX preaches teamwork but doesn't practice it...lead by example!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 February 2010

still furloughed cubby

Good Luck. I do believe there was a post on here about those let go
while in training. That the UTU agreed to it for the purpose that if
you went the distance by completing training CSX could of terminated
your employment because you would of been under a 60 day probation
period not having union protection. One issue that is VERY IMPORTANT
those let go keep in contact with CSX every 6 months with a current
phone number an address. The contact information with CSX even applies
to those furloughed.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 20 February 2010

Please Read  if cut back or flowed back                                 
      Open enrollment begins November 1 for BLET Short Term Disability
plan 
CLEVELAND, November 2 — Open Enrollment for 2010 under the BLET’s Short
Term Disability insurance begins on November 1, 2009, and runs through
December 15, 2009. 

If you are a locomotive engineer working on a railroad that
participated in the Wage Rules portion of the national agreement dated
December 16, 2003, your coverage under Part A (described below) of the
BLET Short Term Disability Plan will automatically continue. 

Last year, if you opted out of Part B coverage (also described below),
then you can opt back in during this enrollment period. If you
currently participate and wish to opt out of Part B coverage, you can
also do so during this enrollment period. 

Part A — Non-Occupational Disabilities

Effective January 1, 2010, there will be no changes to Part A coverage:


• Your eligibility and $40 premium is submitted by the railroad on a
monthly basis.
• Part A pays $402 per week for non-occupational disabilities only. 
• Occupational disabilities are not covered. 
• Each eligible member is insured for $50,000 of Accidental Death and
Dismemberment (AD&D) coverage. 

Part B – Occupational Disabilities

Effective January 1, 2010 there will be no changes to Part B coverage:

• Part B is voluntary. Participation in this additional occupational
coverage is not required. 

• The weekly benefit for occupational disabilities is $402 per week. 

• Each eligible member is insured for $50,000 of AD&D coverage. 

• The benefit is not subject to repayment upon receipt of a FELA
settlement (no repayment after a personal injury settlement).

• The benefit is not considered taxable income.

• The cost is $23 per month and will be payroll deducted with your
monthly union dues.

NOTE: UTU members working as engineers are eligible for Part A and may
purchase Part B coverage by making an annual payment of $276 to the
BLET Trust Fund.
**************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************
IMPORTANT:

• Eligibility for Part B is dependent on your eligibility for Part A.
In order to be eligible for Part A, you must have** ****seven starts in
a month with one start as an engineer.************
If you are furloughed to train service and become ineligible for Part A
coverage, you must notify the Secretary-Treasurer of your local division
immediately. At that time, you have three options: 

1. Continue coverage of Part A and Part B by paying $40 directly to the
BLET Trust Fund by the 10th of the month and continuing payroll
deduction of $23 for Part B. Coverage may only be continued for six
months under this option. If you choose this option, you will need to
contact the Plan Administrator (information below) for additional
instructions.

2. Discontinue coverage of Part B temporarily until you return to
engineer status and become eligible for Part A. An engineer, who loses
Part A coverage due to no fault of his own, may resume coverage for
Part B once he returns to engineer status and becomes eligible for Part
A. You must keep the Secretary-Treasurer of you local division informed
of your status.

3. OPT-OUT of Part B by completing an OPT-OUT form. If you choose to
opt-out of Part B, you may only resume coverage during a subsequent
annual enrollment period.
If you currently do NOT participate and choose to do nothing, you will
continue to be only eligible for Part A coverage. 

• If you currently do NOT participate and would like to sign-up for
Part B coverage during this open enrollment period, or if you do
currently participate and would like to opt-out of Part B coverage, you
must notify the Secretary-Treasurer of your local division by completing
and returning the attached form by December 15, 2009. Your election will
become effective on January 1, 2010.

• Members who OPT-OUT of Part B coverage effective January 1, 2010,
will not be eligible to enroll for the coverage until the next annual
enrollment period.

Anyone with questions can contact Jim Bradford, BLET Short Term
Disability Administrator, at (216) 241-2630, ext. 205, or email:
Bradford @ble-t.org. 

A copy of the opt-in/opt-out form is available below: 
http://www.ble-t.org/pr/pdf/STD-opt-inout.pdf



d  if cut-back or flowed-back

Name: still furloughed cubby
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 20 February 2010

everybody on furlough board is called back and yet me and the rest of
the cubs have not been called.  Called J-ville and lady told me it
would be next year and another said any day.  Do the folks in j-ville
not know what is going on? Rumor also has it they are going to start
hiring again which i assure you i would file a lawsuit if i am not
called back before then.  Wow what a company i walked into.  CSX
rocks!!!!!  yea!!!!!!

Name: moving
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 17 February 2010

i being transfed to baltimore in the next 2 weeks does anyone have any
advice, or know anything about baltimore work conditions?   PLEASE help
...........

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 17 February 2010

It's Mardi Gras day...time for the coup de grâce!

Before we get started a little Dr. John to put us in the mood! 

       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JESFMO1Hl4M

Laissez les bons temps rouler...let the goods times roll!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 14 February 2010

PEOPLE HAVE TO START VOTING PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 10 February 2010

hey loco 30+ plus years you are right about the ns contract . CSX wants
this bid system bad , if we vote this down they will want to go back to
the table . The younger men need to realize the bid system will cut 10%
of the work force , so back on the street you go.

Name: me
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 09 February 2010

just got the call to move to baltimore from florida panhandle is b-more
working or being sent home ? please let me know i will be moving my
wife and five kids to a new place and i need to be working...thanks in
advance............

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 09 February 2010

NoMo you are 100% correct.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 09 February 2010

That's right No Mo if u make over your guarantee . Last half I did beat
my guarantee but this half I'm not , so if this contact passes and I 
need off for a emergency I loose my Guarentee. Plus a 6% pay raise over
a 5 year period that starts 2012 ; if u get in trouble (not only stayin
marked up) you loose your stocks ! We don't even get a bonus until
2013 !!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 09 February 2010

Worry more about your ability to earn. I swear I've never heard more BS
about having a life than this new generation. What the heck were you
people thinking when you hired on the railroad? DUHHHHHH!!! Didn't
they forwarn you in advance at the hiring session that if you want a
life walk out the door. That you'll be on call 24/7 that you'll work
holidays you'll miss out on family activities ect...They were saying
the same thing 32 years ago when I hired out. If you think it's going
to change it's not. Once the UTU gets in the bid system it's worse no
more floating 48 hours when getting bumped no more taking an extra
couple days on vacation you'll already be assigned to a job. The past
3-4 months at the union meetings people were complaining about business
being slow people being cut back people being furloughed now that
everyone is marked back up business is good their complaining about
working to much. Go figure!!

Name: JoshuaRogers
E-mail: kayakguy303@yahoo.com
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 08 February 2010

Vote the contract down! If you want a life Vote it DOWN!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 03 February 2010

I went to work for CSX approx 4 years ago.I paid $5000.00 plus room and
board for schooling, lost wages for 6 weeks.All in all it cost me
$10,000 plus for a job that wasn't worth squat. Quit a job I have been
at 15 plus years for what. To be told I will be treated like a person
with good pay and benifits! Hah! Laid off twice in the 2 years I was
there, couldn't even get railroad unemployment the first year I was
there as I wasn't there long enough. Was continually denied valid
claims of labor agreements by them, denied my first year vacation pay.
Safety was a joke, working two shifts in one day, continually being
forced to do things because of producing what they want. I hardly ever
called of work but employees that did were taken care of. Intimidated
when I spoke up and voiced my rights. If you believe anything they tell
you you will be sorry. Worst 2 years of my employment life.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 23 January 2010

I just want to ask a question and get some answers from guys who have
worked for CSX as a trainman in regards to those men who were suspended
during their on the job training.  Is CSX required to call those men
back or can they start again with hiring back off the streets, and
would it not benefit CSX to come along with a buyout for those
employees who are under a protected status and get the majority of
those furloughed and suspended back.  Does CSX not care about their
public image especially when men were suspended during trainning.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 21 January 2010

Name: slim
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 1-10 years
Posted: 12 January 2010

How long does the company have to file charges against you for a
violation let use an example here ;] attendance polcy if i layed off
for a couple weeks then was furloughed can i still be invesgated after
being called back or do they only have a certain amount of time to
charge me ive allways wondered about this


To this CO. You can be Re-called into servisce and be charged with the
attendance policy, depending on your Terminial Manager. 
I know a guy that was charged for a lost radio 5 years after he was
issued a replacement .. ALL depends on which shithole you work at ..
snd your shithead Trainmaste UNlikely but possible

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Corporate office, for 20-30 years
Posted: 20 January 2010

CSX Insiders Avenue  STOCK ANALYSIS REPORT 
Analysis by Internal Employees  – January  19, 2010 
http://www.csx-sucks.com
Industry: Railroad
Sector: Transportation
Recommendation: Sell   NEVER BUY  
Price: NA
Target Price: Always Sell Short to make Money
52 Week Low-High: 
Fundamentals Grade: B 
Investment Style: RISKY
Consider Buying: When Ingram’s Lawsuits are settled several years in
the future, a complete wash out of the current Nazi Group and just
before another Railroad  can take over.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 20 January 2010

Kiss my hairy snow white fat ass..here is a lie in writing!

CSX Announces Fourth Quarter and Full-Year 2009 Earnings 
JACKSONVILLE, Fla., Jan 19, 2010 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- Highlights:


•Fourth quarter EPS from continuing operations of 77 cents 
•Continued strong safety, service and productivity 
•Full-year operating ratio of 74.7 percent

CSX Corporation (NYSE: CSX) today announced fourth quarter earnings
from continuing operations of $305 million, or 77 cents a share, versus
$361 million, or 92 cents a share, in the same period last year. 

Fourth quarter revenue of $2.3 billion was 13 percent down from the
prior year. This was driven by a 7 percent overall decline in volume as
growth in the intermodal and automotive sectors was more than offset by
declines in coal and merchandise. In addition, lower fuel prices led to
decreased fuel surcharge recovery. Despite these factors, core pricing
remained strong, reflecting high service levels and the overall value
of freight rail transportation. 

Total operating expense for the quarter was $1.7 billion, down 12
percent from the prior year. These savings, driven primarily by strong
safety, service and productivity, contributed to operating income of
$583 million for the quarter. 

"The economy continued to show modest, sequential improvement in the
quarter," said Michael J. Ward, chairman, president and chief
executive officer. "CSX worked aggressively on gaining operating
leverage and further strengthening the fundamentals of our business for
the future." 

CSX also announced full year 2009 earnings from continuing operations
of $1.14 billion, or $2.87 a share, versus $1.5 billion, or $3.66 a
share, for 2008. 

The company continued to improve its network efficiency and safety in
2009, while reducing full-year operating costs by 20 percent compared
to 2008. As a result, CSX posted a record annual operating ratio of
74.7 percent. 

"In 2009, CSX put forth a decisive and effective response to the
challenging economy while simultaneously building for the future,"
said Ward. "Our performance is a clear demonstration of the resolve of
our organization and the talents of our people." 

CSX Corporation, based in Jacksonville, Fla., is a leading
transportation company providing rail, intermodal and rail-to-truck
transload services. The company's transportation network spans
approximately 21,000 miles with service to 23 eastern states and the
District of Columbia, and connects to more than 70 ocean, river and
lake ports. 

This earnings announcement, as well as a package of detailed financial
information, is contained in the CSX Quarterly Financial Report
available on the company's website at http://investors.csx.com in the
Investors section and on Form 8-K with the Securities and Exchange
Commission ("SEC"). 

CSX executives will conduct a quarterly earnings conference call with
the investment community on January 20, 2010 at 8:30 a.m. ET.
Investors, media and the public may listen to the conference call by
dialing 888-327-6279 (888-EARN-CSX) and asking for the CSX earnings
call. (Callers outside the U.S., dial 773-756-0199). Participants
should dial in 10 minutes prior to the call. In conjunction with the
call, a live webcast will be accessible and presentation materials will
be posted on the company's website at http://investors.csx.com.
Following the earnings call, an internet replay of the presentation
will be archived on the company website. 

Forward-looking statements

This information and other statements by the company may contain
forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities
Litigation Reform Act with respect to, among other items: projections
and estimates of earnings, revenues, cost-savings, expenses, or other
financial items; statements of management's plans, strategies and
objectives for future operation, and management's expectations as to
future performance and operations and the time by which objectives will
be achieved; statements concerning proposed new products and services;
and statements regarding future economic, industry or market conditions
or performance. Forward-looking statements are typically identified by
words or phrases such as "believe," "expect," "anticipate,"
"project," "estimate," "preliminary" and similar expressions.
Forward-looking statements speak only as of the date they are made, and
the company undertakes no obligation to update or revise any
forward-looking statement. If the company does update any
forward-looking statement, no inference should be drawn that the
company will make additional updates with respect to that statement or
any other forward-looking statements. 

Forward-looking statements are subject to a number of risks and
uncertainties, and actual performance or results could differ
materially from that anticipated by any forward-looking statements.
Factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from those
contemplated by any forward-looking statements include, among others;
(i) the company's success in implementing its financial and
operational initiatives; (ii) changes in domestic or international 

economic or business conditions, including those affecting the rail
industry (such as the impact of industry competition, conditions,
performance and consolidation); (iii) legislative or regulatory
changes; (iv) the inherent business risks associated with safety and
security; (v) the outcome of claims and litigation involving or
affecting the company; and (vi) natural events such as severe weather
conditions or pandemic health crises. 

Other important assumptions and factors that could cause actual results
to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements are
specified in the company's SEC reports, accessible on the SEC's
website at www.sec.gov and the company's website at www.csx.com. 

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Name: Jsmith
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 19 January 2010

I am in the process of writing a book about CSX and there so called
safety policy, the harassment and intimidation and all the horror
stories of how they have treated employees. If you guys want to share
your stories feel free to email me at jsmith14449@yahoo.com. I only
want true stories, not hear say or rumors. Need to be factual
information. I promise you your name will not be mentioned anywhere,You
dont even have to leave your name. If you setup a private email all I
ask is that you check it later on to see If I contacted you with any
questions.
I wonder how much trouble I will get in by writing the book, I really
dont care they can sue me if they want I dont have anything to lose, I
had to have surgery and a month later they fired me.

Please Email with your stories of this stinking company

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 13 January 2010

Obama is a good Man.
Going to cover 30 40 or so million folks that have no health care.

Now I wonder how healthy these folks are? Have pr existing conditions?
most likely, and no income or resources. Yep we get to pay up.

Change , You got it.

You folks are going to chringe when your health care bill comes.I admit
I have a nice one, but it is now 12k per year for 2 people. 15 years ago
it was $325.00 per month Now it is $1000.00. No way out, they got me.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for 1-10 years
Posted: 12 January 2010

"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the
world.  I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."

Yea, you reckon the UTU will put the little Obama update icon back up
on the website after the AFL-CIO gets told "Tough shit" when they
pull their pants back up after meeting with God today to discuss taxing
the insurance plans?.  Gotta love it.  If you have a friend that is true
to you, screw your friend before he screws you!

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 12 January 2010

Hey Lloyd;

The UTU opens negotiations on Feb.10. I hope I'm wrong but when it's
all said and done, I would look for big increases in health care
premiums, co-pays and deductibles; minuscule pay increases and
substantial work rule changes. Of course the carriers will give some
but the membership will bear the brunt.

As for those furloughed, if the article is right, some of those men
will never be recalled...even if the guaranteed extra boards went away
the carriers still won't want to pay for health care. It's cheaper to
pay overtime than hire extra manpower.

Factor in the ongoing mortgage crisis, a pending commercial real estate
crisis and the fact that the Chinese economy has yet to feel the
economic down turn and is continuing to grow at an astounding rate of
8% per year; it does indeed look grim!

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 11 January 2010

That is some pretty grim news coming from a news source that is pretty
liberal and should be upbeat about our economy.  You know when you hear
bad news from msnbc about our future thats not a good sign.  What makes
me so sick to my stomach though is that this trend never stops.  We
really all would be fucked without a union though.  They do some shitty
things and a lot of them are highly incompetent, but without them we
wouldnt have any room for bargaining.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 11 January 2010

The future of employment in America...

   http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34769831/ns/business-careers//

Name: retired
E-mail: georgia
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 10 January 2010

I have no reason to lie about mine and my wifes;retirement I paid in
full retirement in my last 10 years of work so I should be drawing the
max. my wife never worked other than keeping our children and other
kids also never charged anything for doing this she looks after our
grandkids now. It still takes a lot to get by. she had open heart
surgery three months ago the united health insurance paid over
$100,00.00 I was billed for over $15,000.00 trying to negoiate this
down so far no luck.If the r.r. retirement is making a mistake in ou
r\retirements I am glad will have nothling else to say about this.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 10 January 2010

He draws $5840 a month. The spouse makes their choice at age 60 between
collecting a pension off railroad retirement or social security. They
can not collect both. Railroad retirement is comprised of two entities
Tier I and Tier II. Tier I is a company pension Tier II is similiar to
social security.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 09 January 2010

Name: retired
E-mail: georgia
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 07 January 2010

I have been retired two years to the person who is so much interested
in
r.r. retirement I can give you a fact my retirement is $3,980 a month
and my wife gets $1860.00 dollars a month  out of this her insurance
is
over $800.00 a month I have none just on medicare and medicaid. never
had go to a dr. in 15 years but my wife uses her every week. out of
our
retirement we do have to pay taxes like everyone else.If I die before
my
wife then her retirement will be raised to where mine is now to $3,980
this came into effect in the last few years.XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Interesting, $3980.00 is reasonable for a go getter with 30+ however
where does the $1860.00 come from? She must be a doc, or has her own
program. RRB will not pay that much on $3980.00. Bet she is Rail also
and qualifies for her own, as opposed to part of his. Sounds like after
15 he would take a little fishing time off and go visit the doc to
protect this????? I think he is saying $5840.00 per -$70k

In all reality I think the$1860.00 is a part of the $3980.00 that my
friends is $2120.00 and a big second employed wife.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 09 January 2010

WOW nice post You got it. The key was Average.
That was all I said. Works the same with SS ---Average means 49% are
lower and 49% are higher. Or close to that????

Work more= pay more= get more. Railroad Retirement is the best pay ing
retirement many folks will ever see, it also is the most expensive.

SS cost much less, and pays the same as RR per dollar invested.(less in
Less out)
That is why a defined benefit plan in liew of Union dues is a good
idea.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 07 January 2010

Railroad retirement is based on earnings. If a person worked
aggressively over the years it increases. One thing you left out was
the yearly income used to calculate that amount in the RRB example. The
fact is it was just an example. I do know one or two people who collect
$2600-$2800 a month they worked the yard their entire carreer 5 days a
week avoided overtime never worked over on to another shift ect...Most
people I know within 5-10 years of retirement work more to increase the
rate. About 7 years ago someone for RRB came down to work offered to run
a work sheet of our compensation for disability payments majority of
those who had it done averaged $2900 a month which was based on less
than 30 years service. 95% of my carreer has been road service. I
already know what my monthly income on disability will be which
doesn't include 2009 wages and earnings. The 2009 earning won't be
figured in till July seeing RRB runs on a fiscal year. On the spread
sheet for past years earnings it takes in to consideration what they
would be worth in the present economy. That too is a factor in
determining retirement payments. Example: 1989 earnings of $40,000
might be worth $65,000 in todays economy. There are several factors in
determining retirement compensation. It's not one figure across the
board every person is different based on years of service and earnings.

Name: retired
E-mail: georgia
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 07 January 2010

I have been retired two years to the person who is so much interested in
r.r. retirement I can give you a fact my retirement is $3,980 a month
and my wife gets $1860.00 dollars a month  out of this her insurance is
over $800.00 a month I have none just on medicare and medicaid. never
had go to a dr. in 15 years but my wife uses her every week. out of our
retirement we do have to pay taxes like everyone else.If I die before my
wife then her retirement will be raised to where mine is now to $3,980
this came into effect in the last few years.

Name: averagejoe
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 06 January 2010

you know what i agree most people on the rr are related and loved ones
do get hired over more qualified people i had 2 intervues 1 the shop
forman and his bitch was there to hand pick the people for the supposed
recruiter a nigger who looked down on me while hiring his masstas white
kin folk 
the second time no formen or anything only recruiters got the job that
was over a year ago and still no word it was really embarissing for the
first 6 months or so explaining to people why i wasnt at the rr yet
so yes they do hire family for jobs that are for sure but they dont
give a hoot about the imaginary jobs or the ones they know pple will be
laid off from shortly 
so unless you were military or have high pull
if you get a job there my observation is your bieng played as a fool
or fucked from the get go

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 06 January 2010

How do the average monthly railroad retirement and social security
benefits paid to retired employees and spouses compare?

The average age annuity being paid by the Railroad Retirement Board
(RRB) at the end of fiscal year 2008 to career rail employees was
$2,510 a month, and for all retired rail employees the average was
$1,980. The average age retirement benefit being paid under social
security was over $1,085 a month. Spouse benefits averaged $740 a month
under railroad retirement compared to $520 under social security.

The Railroad Retirement Act also provides supplemental railroad
retirement annuities of between $23 and $43 a month, which are payable
to employees who retire directly from the rail industry with 25 or more
years of service.XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Above are the facts from RRRB. Guess I may have been off $10.00
My only point was that if possible to get a defined benefit plan along
with RR it is a bonus.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 04 January 2010

Goob

You've been away from the railroad for a long time. I can assure you
our retirement pays a lot more than $2500 a month. In fact it pays a
lot more than that for just an individual add in a spouse it goes up
around 50% more. There you go again with your anti-union retoric.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 03 January 2010

When the folks give a little the CSX will give a bunch. Nothing better
than a non union RR. You will have as an Engineer, Conductor 2
retirement programs. Better than one. Simple addition 3k per month plus
2k- 5k which is much more than those collecting now.

Average retired RR employee draws. $2500.00 per month

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 01 January 2010

spongeboob

Reread my post. It's good advise. If one can't adapt then they'll
fail. We definitely don't go out of my way to get the work done, We
let CSX tell us how they would like it done. A big difference. It's a
job CSX is our employer it doesn't get any simpler than that. One
gaurentee is those oldheads you critise have forgotten more about
railroading then you'll ever know. We would love nothing better than
to go back to the way it was which you know nothing about. True
empowerment. No one looking over your shoulder or spying on you with
binoculars. We got our paperwork and that train was ours. With micro
management those TM's are instructed to do there job by higher ups.
You state oldheads talk to the TM's when they show up. Why not? In
most cases they come to us for advise seeing most of them weren't even
born when we hired out. A lot of times they go to oldheads to fix the
problems created by those with little or no experience or maybe someone
with an attitude who thinks there screwing over CSX. If the union isn't
willing to take action to alleviate the harrassment then people have to
put up with it or find another job. I know of no oldhead who goes out
of their way for an official. There are those young ones who think it
creates browny points by going to the office being friendly not knowing
their loose mouths have given info unwittingly to management that can be
used. We've played the game a lot longer than you.

Name: spongebob
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 31 December 2009

Loco Eng for 30+

   Spin it and twist it in your mind all you want buddy,  I work with
guys like you every day.  Guys like you that have pride in their jobs
at my termainal are the first ones to drop to their knees when
Management walk in the door.   Most other workers at CSX are sick of
the Chicken shit failures, manpower shortages, unsafe conditions, and
Harassment and intimidation by Management.  That's why I stick it to
the man every I get.     


Keep going above and beyond for CSX, see how much they appreciate your
hard work the next time you fuck up and you get a charge letter for
something chickenshit, maybe you'll have a little change of heart.
It's Quite obvious you don't work at Avon Terminal, if you did you
would have lost your pride a long time ago.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 31 December 2009

I look at myself in the mirror everyday with pride. I go to work give it
100% then go home safe. In 32+ years I've never considered myself a
whore or union reps and management pimps. Sounds like you need a
different line of work if it makes you feel that way. It's CSX's
railroad we are hired to do a job and get paid pretty good for it. It
doesn't matter if they want things done their way. Since micro
management came on the railroad they've made me overtime, extra days
pay, time claims ect...Why would anyone complain about it? If those of
us who have been out here for 30+ years can adapt then anyone can.
We've lost more than those who've only been out here starting in the
mid '90s. The only imporatant issues are that everyone works safe
looks out for their co-workers and goes home to their families intact.
Other than that it's all just a thing. If you're frustrated you did
it to yourself. Play their game.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 31 December 2009

If any of you believe your jobs are coming back, or new jobs will be
created, your head is in the land of OZ. 

I personally don't and won't do anything for CSX unless I am
expicitly told to do so. An example, I am told to walk to my engine and
inspect it. Fine, No one can tell me how fast to walk. No one can tell
me how to inspect my engine or the time limit to do it in. Paperwork?
Broken pens, or the inspection forms not on the engine? I could care
less. I call the yardie.......let him tell me where and how to get a
pen or inspection forms. More time to relax. If I am relaxing, I can't
get hurt. Oh, unless one of the many idiots that work here flat switch a
car down into my track. Hard to believe but it does happen in this CSX
yard.

No, just don't care anymore. Don't care if I run out of time on
single main track. Don't really care if I am late for work. Don't
care if CSX doesn't pay me on time. My union guys will fix that for
me. May take 2 to 3 years (without interest) but I'll get my money. 

Don't care that the radio has static when the dispatcher tries to call
me. I don't move the train one inch until I fully understand what he or
she wants. I am not allowed to use (and will not) my cell phone to move
a train. I just wait X amount of time till the static on the radio
stops.

When I am stopped and a signal pops up.......I wait 2 or 3 minutes
hopefully) to make sure it doesn't drop in front of me. I see a
distant signal, I slow down, don't want that to drop on me either.
It's just safer this way.

Track speed 50mph.....45 is safer. Top restricted speed I operate at is
2 mph, which is very safe. CSX management should be proud of me, that I
am sure of, because I haven't run thru any switches.

All in all I like working here. Sure the hours are horrible,people show
up for work late, in yesterdays clothes, smell like cigarettes teeth not
brushed, but they are elite professionals.

These elite professionals will show off to you and new hires by
dispalying thier ignorance and stupidity of rules, regulations, and RR
operations. But then my union reps or management will talk to the new
hires and correct the problem,,,,,right? Well maybe the union or
management talks to the elite professional and straightens him or her
out.
Yeah, thats what happens where I work. Never seen it personally, but
"they" tell me it has happened. I feel safer when "they" tell me
things like that.

I am kinder to a stray dog, than to any union rep or CSX manager. I
hold both in complete disgust and distrust. Both are liars, and
thieves. What does the BLE do with my dues? Well in thier newsletters,
complete with pictures, they are playing golf, in conference in Las
Vegas, or discussing important union contracts at a nice resort
location......so they can fully concentrate on the matters at hand.

In closing, I,like many of you are nothing more than whores. CSX and
the unions are the pimps.

We get told how long to work. Where to work. How much we will get paid.
How much longer am I going to be a whore? I don't know. I do know it is
getting harder and harder to look at my self in the mirror. 

Are you brave enough to look in the mirror?

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 25 December 2009

Merry Christmas to all my union brothers & sisters who just wanna go to
work, do there job, get paid in a correct manner, and last but not
least...not get hurt.


December 24,   2009.......and CSX STILL SUCKS!

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 25 December 2009

Hey Pensacola:

I heard a Trainman, Marques Eakes was found dead in his garage in the
last week or two. I have been unable to find anything in the Pensacola
or Mobile papers about it, not even an obit.

Any info?

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 20-30 years
Posted: 23 December 2009

All concerned: For The New Year...let us all focus on our union(s).
Until we get a gripe on our union bosses we all will continue to fight
and blame each other. Four of the last six (two from each union)
international officers have been kicked-out-of-office representing
themselves instead of the members they were entrusted to represent.
Strong leadership, 100% rule compliance, and solidarity will always
trump abuse. "FELA" is the operative word. The railroads worst
"nightmare!" If you are force to do an unsafe act and injured in the
process. FELA! If you suffer from sleep deprivation (common for
railroaders) due to extreme working conditions. FELA! Sleep
deprivation
is caused by (see BLET August 09' Issue) cumulative trauma due to
excessive lateral motion while riding trains. 
During these times, the greed of Corporate America (illegal immigration
to control labor cost) is sinking our country and most of all, our
families. 
So step-up to the plate and quit whining! Get involved in your union
and start holding your union officers accountable!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 21 December 2009

Everyone settle down. The UTU and BLET are looking out for our best
interest(s), they don't care about dues, they care about us!

Without the support of these Unions we would be making $8.00 an hour.
Think about it.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 18 December 2009

furloughed cubbie

I'll try to have a Merry Christmas and a Happy Hanukkah. You do the
same. 

I don't think I did anything to offend you. In fact it was just the
opposite. What CSX did to those in training was terrible. I've stated
that fact several times on this site. In fact I was in one discussion a
while back where others thought it was right to let cubs go if others
were furloughed. My opinion which has never changed is those in
training should of been allowed to complete it to establish seniority.
The key element is establishing seniority. Something those in training
were not allowed to do get promoted to conductor.

Name: Furloughed Cubbie
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 16 December 2009

to all you guys who have been giving advise and your sympathy....thank
you and Merry Christmas...and to the so called guy with 30+
years....Happy Hanuka you rat bastard, you don't deserve a Merry
Christmas

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 16 December 2009

Hey Loco 30+:

Your kids are safe for the time being then:)

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 16 December 2009

NoMo

Northern California was way out of reach. The cost was 4X compared to
the east coast. I'm concentrating right now on Southwest Virginia,
North Carolina, Tennessee, and Kentucky. I'll take up to a year to
travel and find it. I don't want to wait to long. A person would be
crazy not to get in while the housing markets still down and very
affordable. Two friends retired and went back up north to Ohio and
Michigan both bought houses at less than $50,000. Another friend he
went to the mid-west bought a brick home 3 brm 2 bath for $55,000. Only
prerequisite it has to in the country no more burb dwelling for me. The
burbs are being flooded with city dwellers along with it comes their
city ways they don't respect others privacy.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 16 December 2009

Hey Loco 30+:

I think the conductor on road trains will be safe this go around but
once PTC is operational, look out! 

You might be getting out just in time...safety is just a word...it
sounds good and helps keep the insurance premiums down. It's just a
matter of time before CSX or another carrier has a Bhopal disaster.
Just imagine all the crow hoppin and fancy foot work after that!

Greed is the bottom line...like Nike moving it's manufacturing
operations to Asia because they said the cost of production would go
down due to cheap labor. Good deal right...now my $100 Nikes will only
cost $80. 95% of that saving went straight into management's pockets
in the form of bonuses, the rest to the shareholders.

The view of CSX and the unions changes a little from the outside,
doesn't it? The further out you get, the more the view changes. Have
you found a spot to light yet? You were talking about Northern
California, is that still your plan?

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 16 December 2009

Lloyd

With the UTU creation of the APE (All Purpose Employee) it has led us
down a path of total craft extinction it caused to many problems. I say
UTU creation because the 1994 crew consist opened the door for duel
seniority forcing new hires into engine service. Then the UTU fought
the BLE to dissolve the two crafts with the creation of the APE. If the
UTU hadn't been hell bent on trying to take over the BLE we would still
be afforded better protection. This has led to one nightmare after
another an it continues. The railroads played their cards right letting
the UTU make deals with the devil. The UTU cried victory while all along
the devil was standing in the shadows sucking them dry to the point
there was nothing left to bargain. It was so simple years ago BLE for
engineers UTU for trainmen. We knew where we stood. Now we don't know
anything. The BLE(T) is no better. They have screwed the membership by
dividing our bargaining power with on-property contracts. Railroads
like the UP which refuses to bargain with the BLE(T) for on-property
contracts their members are going to be used as guiney pigs to pass
legislation that will affect every railroad. I despised the BLE when
they added the trainmen (T) to our name. Issues we fought against for
keeping craft autonomy were thrown out the window when they capitulated
and became no better then the UTU. The railroads win they aren't living
up to contracts. The BLE(T) coward down with ignorant responses which
are all the same our concerns will be brought up in dispute/resolution
committee meeting with the carrier. My answer "blow me" you lame
SOB's.

Name: Lloyd
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Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 16 December 2009

Your damn right loco 30.  Greed.  It's one of the biggest factors that
lead to our country going into a depression and people losing their
jobs.  It's the only reason they want to make a one man crew.  Any
other reason is just a lie or a cover up.  Less people working means
more money for the stock holder and more money for the people running
this dog and pony show.  This is where the rubber meets the road though
guys.  What do you all think the UTU will do if they actually try to
negotiate something with them?  The only reason they would not call a
strike at that point would be that they made a deal with the devil so
I'd pay close attention to what goes on in the next five to ten years.
 There could be something proposed sooner but I can't see something
like this happening without a huge fight.  Unless most of the engineers
were to take a huge bonus, completely turn their backs on the conductor
craft, and look forward to long lonely nights on the tracks I just
can't see this thing passing.  Money talks and bullshit walks though. 
This would be such a great step for our economy though don't you all
agree?  More money for people who already have it and less jobs for
people who need them.  It's becoming the American way.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 16 December 2009

NoMo

It looks like it's going to get worse before better. The American
Association of Railroads which represents the class 1's in legislative
matters ect...is pushing hard this time around for the one man crew.
They seem to even have the blessing of the FRA seeing they declined to
get involved. Damn, I'm glad I'm getting out of the railroad I have
one hurdle left to get my disability retirement. To many changes in the
last 25 years. Starting with losing the caboose then it's been downhill
with the continuios reduction of crew size. There has always been a
percentage of those qualified as engineers that will not make it on
their own. Every terminal in every state has engineers that can't stay
awake much less run a train efficiently. I see disaster in the future if
legislation is passed to allow engineer only freight trains. CSX has
been promoting engineers at an alarming rate not caring if they
actually know what their doing. In the past 5 years I've seen to many
major rule violations that jeaprodise the safety and security of others
including the general public. Everyone from the railroads, STB, FRA,
unions, to Congress ect...talks of safety but in the end the bottom
line is greed.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Train Dispatcher, for 10-20 years
Posted: 15 December 2009

Do you realise how much time you spend at work for CSX without
compensation?  Think about your prep time you do not get paid for. 
Think about the time you have to report so you do not violate FRA Laws.
 Are we in an environment that encourges us to violate Federal Laws so
we are not disiplined by CSX policies.  How much time have they stolen
from us.  How much money does that add up to over the years.  How about
the busted calls? How much do we loose on that?

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 15 December 2009

Guaranteed Extra Boards = furloughs...guaranteed. I don't think the NS
has guaranteed Extra Boards but because of the poor economy they 
probably have people furloughed to but I'm sure it's only a fraction
of what CSX has furloughed.

In talking to people I know there seems to be a consensus that a lot of
the furloughed men will never be called back or at best, it may be
several years before they are.

Venting helps but in the end you have to turn your energy to things you
can control...you have no control over the economy or the railroad, in
fact, you have little control over anything in your life. Concentrate
on those things you can control.

In regard to the post several days ago about the Con that got missed
called because he refused a job at an away from home terminal. In
Mobile (L&N) we had a two hour calling window; you had to answer the
phone from two hours before the shift's first job went on duty to the
time that shift's last job went on duty. Other than that you were not
required to answer the phone. The yard was also required to protect
road jobs. If I recall correctly, If you were first out on the
Trainmen's Board you were require to take the call even if it was for
a yard job, unless you were protected. After Katrina, because of the
guarantee, which I think was around $2400 even the protected men had to
accept calls or lose their guarantee.

It pays off to read and understand the contract and local agreements
you work under and participate in the Local's meetings regardless of
how bad the UTU is!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 15 December 2009

dad

I'm glad my generation didn't have a venue like Csx-sucks. This just
keeps emotions stirring instead of chalking it up as a life experience.
It took around the 3rd year of furloughs to finally get it through my
thick head to save for the down time. I an others of my generation
preached to the new hires spend little save a lot the first years. Do
not buy anything big like new cars (well maybe an affordable used car
or a Hyundia or Kia) no new homes ect...It fell on deaf ears. This
advise came with experience. My first year I was furloughed a lot due
to a coal miners strike in 1977. After being called back to work in
spring of 1978 went out and bought a new car. No one told me I'd be
furloughed every winter lost that car by early winter 1979 turns out
railroad unemployment didn't pay because I didn't have enough time
working in 1977. I learned quickly when I got recalled back in spring
of 1979. Furloughs after that were a lot easier it was being on a tight
budget and savings helped. By late spring 1980 the bottom fell out in
the north the auto industry went belly up so did a lot of railroad
work. Today we are getting hit by all fronts auto, coal, manufacturing
ect...everything has tanked. All one can hope for is that this country
recovers in the near future and it doesn't linger on for years like
the Great Depression which last over 10 years.

Name: dad
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Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 15 December 2009

To: Locomotive engineer for 30+
I'm not trying to start a pissin contest, and I never said you and
others that hired out years ago, did'nt go through the same crap and
more, all I'm saying is, if you had this forum 30 years ago,chances
are you would have been right hear doing the same thing....bitchin.
I, and I'm sure others feel that morale is an important aspect of
doing business, but apparently csx see's things different, as evadent
by the way they treat good employees. It sure would be nice if
management would enter the human factor in, when they make their
decisions.Happy employees make good employees, and good employee make
more money for the company and in the end, themselves.But here I go
again, thinking that csx is going to do the ethical thing, when they
get the same end results by forcing employees into submission with
threats on their living. I have seen no evedence of ethics at csx, and
that is a real shame, It's not that hard to treat people like you
would like to be treated,,,now where have I heard that before?

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 15 December 2009

Dad

Alright you opened up a can of worms. We went through furloughs just
like what is happening today. That's right, you don't want to hear
about it. Furloughs come with the job. At times I felt jealous of those
who got hired and never had to go through hardships. I worked with
several men who hired on at the right time in the early '80s when
retirements were in full swing an it opened up slots. They never knew
what it was like to juggle bills try and make ends meet when railroad
unemployment only paid $25 a day. I've been there. In fact I
transferred to another state leaving everything to keep working for the
railroad. Don't tell me I don't know what it is like. Sure this a
venue to let off steam. Then again people haven't a clue about how the
railroad works. They can't keep people marked up if business has
decreased. You people hired on with gaureteed extraboards my generation
didn't have that luxory. It was feast or famine on the extra board. At
times we collected unemployment while still marked up if we didn't get
a minimun of 10 days. The unions got gaurenteed extra boards they also
gave complete control to the railroads. There is a ratio to correspond
to the number of jobs that is way low. Go to a union meeting take
action to do away with gaurentees then it can be loaded up to the
numbers we saw decades ago. If you're still working feel fortunate. In
my area there are a few furloughs but the majority of those hired in the
last 1- 1 1/2 years are still working. Some of those furloughed had the
option to work other locations and chose not to. No sympathy there. If
CSX offers transfers to other locations it gets critised. I wish in
1980 I had the benefits afforded with these transfers like 30 days
lodging, meals, bonuses ect...we did it with nothing some of us using
our last unemployment checks. Don't tell me I have no feeling for
those furloughed.

Name: dad
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 14 December 2009

Hey engineer with 30+,this forum is good therapy for guy to let off
steam, for whatever reason. It always amazes me how someone with lots
of seniority bust new hires chops for bitchin about being treated like
crap. They would appreciate your support, not your sarcasum.No one
expects you to do anything.....just listen. We may not manufacture any
cars, like the big auto makers, but I'll bet if we did'nt perform the
services we do, it would have a lot bigger impact on the economy than a
few sorry ass auto manufactures that are bailed out with tax payer hard
earned money.As far as going to the media,I dont think the rule about
talking about csx worries too many of these guy's. You have to have a
job before you can loose one. Also, where I'm from it's not against
the law to tell the truth.I would love to see enough of these new hires
that were lied to, get together and bring a class action law suit againt
csx for ruining their lives. No matter what you say, they were mislead.
How can you blame a guy for being upset for being furloughed 4 times in
4 years, and thats not the worst thing about it, sometimes they are only
brought back for a month or two, and cut off again, now thats what I
call real crew management....give me a break, they just dont give a
shit.....like me!!!!!!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 14 December 2009

CSX Blow

You better read the rule books again. There is a rule that pertains to
not discussing CSX business with the public. Create waves it'll be a
definite termination. That's not good advise to give. That's twice in
the past week it's been mentioned. The first was similiar something
about why other people get layed off and it makes news. The reason we
don't get mentioned it happens all the time. Some locations it's
seasonal. We manufacture nothing so it isn't important to the public.
Not like the auto industry when they start laying off or closing plants
it's major headlines. 

I see you still have a grudge over paying to get your job. Don't you
think it's time to get over it? That one puzzles me. No one put a gun
to your head. Apparently you were grown up enough to make that decision
and sign the papers. Lifes to short to carry grudges. This blame the
oldhead bullschidt is getting old. Get over it. In a few years a few
more retirements I can tell you'll end up just like those oldheads you
like to critize. It comes with the territory. One big fact when you
separate from the railroad wether it's quitting, terminated,
furloughed, or retired people are forgotten. Once out of the loop it's
over. It's just a job life goes on. It's all about doing the right
thing for your family most importantly for yourself. Do the job to the
best of your abilities. My last few years of working I gave it 100%
like I always have the difference I followed their instructions which
was screwed up because they didn't make sense. In the end it was job
protection double switching respotting of industries ect...made a lot
of unnecessary overtime but it was nice on pay day.

Name: CSX Blow
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 13 December 2009

You should contact your local newspaper of TV station and let them do a
story on you guys. That would REALLY get something going right there.
Some heads would start rolling. 

  Personally, the best news I got ALL DAMN YEAR was when I read on the
gateway that Tony Ingram is leaving the company on December 31st. I
hope some things will change for the better as far as moral goes. This
company could make SO much more money if their employees were happy.
"Happy employee's are productive employee's". At this point in time
I could give two shits less if a car gets delivered to a customer
because last half I got screwed out of 3 days pay....

Name: Furloughed Cubbie
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 13 December 2009

thanks CSX Blows,

i do keep in close contact with almost all of the other cubs from my
location along with alot of the guys i went to class with at the REDI
center.  We have helped each other find jobs while we are waiting for
the call back to CSX.  

From what out train master told us when we were furloughed was that we
should of never been hired because two weeks before we were to go to
the REDI they had furloughed several at our location.  Instead J-ville
dicks said no, lets get them hired and trained so when they do get
furloughed they can come back already trained.  Well like i said in
ealier post...about 75% of the cubs who were in my class couldn't go
back to there old job because of either no notice or old job was
filled.  CSX should have never hired us with the economic situation.  I
am pissed but i am just glad i was able to get my foot in the door
because i had been trying for 2 years to get on.  Once again thanks for
the support and to all the coats in J-ville...stop screwing with our
lives and get us back to work or atleast let us finish out our training
so we can atleast work off the furlough board.

Name: CSX Blow
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 13 December 2009

To Furloughed Cubbie :

 Man, hang in there. I know it must be hard on you and most people on
this forum have NO idea whatsoever what you are going through. There
have been people all over the system that is going through the exact
same situation you're enduring right now. It is VERY bad business to
hire people and lay them off before finishing their training. It shows
pure, utter disrespect to all their employees and just not the ones who
it directly affected. The reason I say it's disrespectful to all their
employees is due to the fact that if they could be so ethically
challenged to do such a thing to a new employee what would they do to
other employees who have already established themselves with the
company. Moral at CSX is very bad. It is the worst I have ever seen at
any corporation I have ever had any dealings with. A big problem I have
is that nobody at this company never wants to take resistibility for
their actions. I see this on a daily occurrence and 90% of it takes
place in management. Someone is always placing the blame on someone
else. Therefor, you will never get an honest answer from most officials
on this railroad so if I was you I wouldn't even waist my time by
asking them for information. The management on this railroad is mostly
very young and come to work with enough gel in their hair to grease the
rails and really never had to work for much so they really can't
comprehend what an individual with a mortgage, car payments, family,
and basic bill may be going through. This is the caliber of individuals
running this dog, and pony show.

  What I would encourage you to do is keep in contact with other people
who you hired with. When I was furloughed I did that and we were able to
mentally support each other. That really went a long way too.
  One funny thing is when the railroad lays off people(furlough)you
never hear about it. When another company lays off people you see it
all over the new. I called my local news station and talked to a
reporter there and she wanted my story REALLY bad. To make a long story
short me and several other guys were going to do an interview with her
about CSX ethics but my other fellow railroaders who were supposed to
be my union brothers backed out at the last minute so the story was
canceled. If you can find some guys in your area that are fed-up then
you could try the same thing. It would be a real eye opener to the
American public. 

 Lastly, don't listen to these old heads saying they feel nothing for
you and like everything is your fault. They see to forget that were
paid $5,000 to have out jobs and they didn't. We had to do 6 weeks of
class room training and most of them didn't. 

 Like I said, hang in there bro and things will get better soon. Just
don't let this place bother you too bad because when it comes right
down to it you don't work for them, you work

Name: averagejoe
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 12 December 2009

hey there guys it is the christmas season all times for happiness lol
one year to the day csx told me i have a job but guess what no job the
sad part is that i actually thought i would get a job seeing as my
daddy didnt work for the rr, i wasnt in the military because i couldnt
decide what i wanted to do for myself, or i dont like to suck on big
hard harry jew peckers so to all you semi rich dick merry fuckin
christmas
tell csx to blow me cuase i still wont blow them for a job

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 12 December 2009

furloughed cubbie

Just ignore Goober, He comes around on this site once in a while just
to try and stir things up. He's like the pet dog that when it was a
puppy it was cute but developed a bad habit of rolling around in it's
own crap smelled like schidt so you tied it up to become an outside
dog. Every now and then it gets loose

Name: Furloughed Cubbie
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 11 December 2009

some of you guys who have not been furloughed in years need a reality
check.  People like me and other furloughed cubs and RR employees with
low senority got screwed.  I left my good job because RR has better
retirement and benefits, the money was the same.  Now since CSX only
relies on one person to let new hires know when to turn in a notice and
that person wanted to take a vaction to campaign for Obama "not making
this up, this is what she told me" i have to work for a fraction of
what i was making.  Those of you who share my sympathy i appreciate it
very much, but those of you who want to say i am ignorant need to be
furloughed and work a job making 40K less a year than you were making
and see how you feel then.  I understood the risk when i took this job,
but i wouldn't be in the situaition i am in now if i was just able to
turn in a notice and be able to go back to my old job atleast until i
finally got a call back to CSX.  Wow i left a job working around a
bunch of dick heads to only work for with bigger dick heads

Name: Furloughed Cubbie
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 11 December 2009

hey dumby...what i was saying is i had a damn good job and was told to
report to the Redi on a certain date.  I was told by this dumb bitch in
Jacksonville "DO NOT TURN IN NOTICE WITH CURRENT EMPLOYER UNTIL ORDERS
ARE RECIEVED FROM JACKSONVILLE" Well exactly two before i was to
report to the REDI i never heard anything and called this dumb bitch
and found out she was on vacation and nobody there could tell me if i
was still to go to the REDI or not.  4 days before we were to report i
finally got a call saying "you can now turn in a notice with your
employer".  Since this dumb bitch decided to take a vaction and not
call me and the other new hires i can not go back to my old job and now
have to work for peanuts.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 11 December 2009

bs out there who got screwed by the CSX cock?  We all left damn good
jobs to come to CSX but most of us couldn't go back to our old jobs
because we only got to put in a 4 day notice.  Why you ask?  Well the
lady who was supposed to send us our paperwork letting us know to put
in a notice with our current employer took a vacation the day we
should
have turned in our notice to our employer.  Now i cant go back because
they said i never gave a 2 weeks notice.  THANKS CSX.  Stop hiring
folks if you are only going to work them 3 months and not let them
turn
a proper notice with their current employer because they may need
there
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If the RR is hiring these folks. Those that left Dam Good jobs to come
to CSX. And the lady did not do her job, took a few vaction days and
caused this poor person to get all screwed up. Can't move forward and
can't move back. Now it is CSX fault for hiring a fool. God bless
America. Guess the answer is give 2 weeks notice. hA HA

Now remember-- we could only put in a 4 day notice?? Phone broke I
figure????

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 11 December 2009

Amazing an Engineer with 30 years thinks a Furlough is a Termination.
The poor guy needs to get a part time job, no need to call anyone. The
RR will call and you will resume training at the proper time. The
frigging union has nothing to do with that until you establish a spot
on the roster. Then you are a real number, with less protection than
you had at your last job, just cost a lot more.

As far as the 2 week notice, you are dumber than dumb to not do that.
Every company expects that as a courtesy for paying your sorry ass for
years. You never have to give notice, many never do and they pay the
price down the road. Now you can see that, since ya wanna go back. and
the door is closed and locked.

Name: JJ Boyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 11 December 2009

Just found out thet a long time fellow employee at collinwood ohio yard
in cleveland has a snitch . he pretends to be your freind and the rats
you out to the company . Conductor JIM BOYD  may you rot in hell . the
trainmaster are bad ,But you come from behind and stab your brothers in
the back !!!!  You better work in a well lighted area Jimmy boy

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 11 December 2009

Those in training who were let go without completion of OJT and
promotion. A puzzling question. What happens to them after things
improve? You are correct in the fact you don't belong to the union. No
protection. Unfortunately you're left up to CSX to decide your fate.
Longer it goes less secure. One case scenario every 6 months maintain
contact with CSX giving a current address and phone number. Depends on
length of time one might assume the entire training process will have
to done over again. Those that were in training when CSX let them go
have my sympathy. CSX should of done the right thing by letting people
complete their training to establish seniority. That is the key element
establishing seniority which didn't happen. Unfortunately the only
advise is keep your info current for when they start hiring again.
Trainmasters just do what their told by upper management. In my area I
did have sympathy for the TM who got the order to have all trainees
turn in their gear that their services were no longer needed. I do feel
it hurt this man to do the dirty deed. That was CSX being cold blooded.

Name: Furloughed Cubbie
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 10 December 2009

I was hired and was only on OJT for 4 weeks and got training suspended. 
Well i am not union or management so no one can tell me or the rest of
the cubs what the fuck is going on.  Our furlough board is getting very
low which is suprising since this is supposed to be the slow time of
year but anyways we were told when our training was suspended when it
got down to a certain amount, our taining would resume.  Well here it
is well past what our Train Master told us and i still haven't got the
call.  My question is what the fuck is CSX gonna do when all furloughed
guys are back and we are still on OJT and they dont have a furlough
board to pull from?  It only makes since to get us back in training
that way when everyone is called back we are ready to go.  Any other
cubs out there who got screwed by the CSX cock?  We all left damn good
jobs to come to CSX but most of us couldn't go back to our old jobs
because we only got to put in a 4 day notice.  Why you ask?  Well the
lady who was supposed to send us our paperwork letting us know to put
in a notice with our current employer took a vacation the day we should
have turned in our notice to our employer.  Now i cant go back because
they said i never gave a 2 weeks notice.  THANKS CSX.  Stop hiring
folks if you are only going to work them 3 months and not let them turn
a proper notice with their current employer because they may need there
old job back.

Name: Sadder
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 10 December 2009

Sad,

Yes, everyone is suppose to be back at work Jan. 1, 2010. 

Also, 
Hell will freeze over,
the Pope will marry Madonna,
Elvis will perform live at the Ritz,
and Mike Ward will cash out his stock options and give all the money to
furloughed RR workers. 

Merry Christmas.

Name: sad
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 04 December 2009

i have heard that in the start of 2010 , everyone will be back to work.
has anyone heard about this if so please let me know .....

Name: 
E-mail: thatwilldo
Employed as: Train Dispatcher, for 20-30 years
Posted: 01 December 2009

Steve Gordon

I thought I would just post your letter.  Quit crying. If you need work
go get it the old fashion way.  Earn it.   Tell us what you can do for
us.  If you are on CSX-Sucks.com trying to drum up work then I find
that weak.    There is plenty of work the DLC only want Slam Dunk Cases
and the little stuff there is not any representation. 

So take some hard shot cases and show us what you can do.








Default  Bringing Light & Sense to the DLC Process
Dear YL-

You would have to be deaf, dumb and blind to not know my feelings on
the Designated Lawyer Selection [DLC] process that is utilized by the
BLET, BMWE, UTU and every other rail union. It is a system that is as
old as me and has been fraught with deception, greed and a "good ol'
boy" system since day one.

How many people have vowed to clean it up? How many people have gone to
jail, absconded with members' monies, been charged with crimes?

The time has come to clean this mess up and I am starting this thread
in hopes that, those that believe like I do, will speak up and let your
voices be heard!

I believe that, at bare minimums, to be any Union DLC, you should have
to take a test on the FELA law. You should also have to agree to
represent the Members for a 25% contingency fee. You should also agree
to give .05% of your FELA fees back to the Union that you have received
the designation from and they should be required to take 50% of that
money and use it for a designated RAIL charity and the other 50% should
be used to fund conventions.

These are the requirements that should be made open and obvious. No
firm should be given preference over another and each should be free to
negotiate down their fee below 25% if they want to in order to give a
better deal to the member that contacted them. Any firm that receives a
DLC designation that is caught using "runners" should forever lose the
DLC status and that would include all lawyers in it.

I urge you to speak out. Mr. Sorrow from the BLET has every reason in
the world to to do this and take the lead in the industry. I am not
saying any DLC currently with a designation is (1) not deserving of it;
(2) does not work their butts off in an excellent manner; (3) is not
capable to practice FELA law. In fact, I disavow any reference that
this post says anything about any one lawyer or any one firm. What I am
saying is the "proof is in the pudding" and one cannot deny the
problem exists!

Steve Gordon
FELA Lawyer
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Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 01 December 2009

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for N/A
Posted: 28 November 2009

when are we gonna  stop  fighting  each other?   and start   going 
after  the railroads?  do  you know  you can sue  your officals in
court  for ?  or  make  their personal lives miserable? hey?   they
wanna fuck with your job and your  family ?  lets start fucking with
them?  do it in a way no one will ever know? catch them in any act? go
after them in your off time? dont stalk them  but? well you get the
idea ? you guys that are  apes better wake up? officials are not your
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I love this little post from a little mouse. Hey man do it!! No one
really cares. Sue your neighbor, sue CSX, sue anyone that you want.
First thing is drag out the old checkbook, and we shall see how
interested you really are.
Bottom line ---the above post is just BS. Just like most of mine????

Name: Steve Gordon
E-mail: sgordon@gordon-elias.com
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 01 December 2009

Dear All- 

I post this link for your consideration and comment:
http://www.yardlimits.com/forums/legal-news-announcements/18954-bringing-light-sense-dlc-process.html

Take Care & Be Safe.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 01 December 2009

ZOMG Tony Ingram is retiring at the end of december

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 29 November 2009

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 29 November 2009

Hey Other:

"Furthermore were does your sense of entitlement come from? What are
you owed?"

Let me see..."The Great Society" perhaps you're old enough to
remember? Welfare, food stamps, public housing, Social Security, WIC,
aid to dependent children, unemployment insurance and the list goes on
and on.

Although most of these programs existed before 1964, they were all
greatly expanded after Johnson's reforms and the advent of the
"Great
Society". 

Everyone over the age of 45, two maybe three generations, is a child
of
the "Great Society", that's a huge percentage of the U.S.
population.
Money talks and bullshit walks, so as long as there are politicians
there will be entitlement programs. They may ebb and flow depending on
which party is in power but like taxes entitlements are here to stay!

**********************************************************************

Oh you are so correct with the above statement, and to that we are a
demon of our own creation, and only getting worse in today’s society of
me first and something for nothing.  No one has a good work ethic
anymore and this was created by all of us who tried to provide for our
families better than was provided for us! 

With all the programs that you mentioned above you as well as every one
else are entitled to but, with that being said in the private work force
what are you entitled to? Like I said before a paycheck?  That’s it! 

I have had a pretty fortunate life provided by myself doing what is
expected of me by myself and my family. This has been passed on to my
children as well to create a sense of ownership in there future knowing
that no one else is going to do it for you, so don’t expect it.  Sadly
this is not the case in today’s times everyone from GM to my neibores 
are looking for handouts.  This has taken all of the accountability and
responsibility out of the decisions we make making it easier to blame
someone else when we fail. I sorry I don’t by it. All this attitude
does is allow some one else to pay for your mistakes. 

This also confirms my last post but because I speak of accountability
and responsibility I could not possibly be right, it’s always some one
else fault that you did something wrong or the decisions you made
didn’t work the way you planned… Its time people stand up and are
accounted for… and stop crying about it.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 29 November 2009

Are you all really this pathetic? If you hate CSX this much really make
a statement and quit.  No; that’s what I thought just a bunch of
cowards bitching about a company that you work for, imagine that. 

I might not be seeing the whole picture here but I know enough about
unionized work forces to know that you have it very well if you still
have a paycheck in this economy were layoffs and furloughs are the norm
these days.  

Furthermore were does your sense of entitlement come from? What are you
owed?  I don’t work in your industry but a very similar field, were
safety and on the job awareness is of the utmost importance, and if not
respected in can have life ending consequences so safety is first and
foremost your responsibility!  With that being said back to my original
questions what are you entitled to? What are you owed? Let me tell you
so you don’t hurt yourselves thinking about it…..It’s a paycheck, its
that simple, if your work your entitled to get paid, that it. 

If your looking for someone to blame, I have an idea, blame yourselves.
If you read this and listen this is true.  When was the last union
meeting you were at?  Do you even know were the meetings are, on what
day and when?  This is how you are to blame, no participation in your
own labor organization and there for your local officers are elected on
a good ol’boys club way of doing things, they are in it for themselves
and only themselves, but you put them in there.  Do you understand how
your General Chairman & Vice General Chairman are elected?  Here’s a
hint by the people who are in the local positions that you elected. Now
these people who are looking out for #1 and that isn’t you have free
rein to put in people just like themselves in the next level the labor
organizations to which you pays dues, oh I almost forgot offices are
probably right next to the companies main offices, correct?  I wonder
why that is, let me tell you because they can! Because you allow it! 
Because of your lack of interest in your own local, were you pay dues
to, were you don’t care what goes on at……..

So back to what started this rant, just resign I am sure that will fix
all of your problems at least with CSX it will. 

No you won’t do that though; why; because they aren’t handing out
60-70K or more a year jobs every day, that’s why! So bitch all you want
to because most of you are just hypocrites coming on here to bitch at
how bad you have it working for this company that gives you a paycheck
so you can provide for yourself and your family.  

That’s right I’m wrong, here’s an idea, if it’s that bad were you are 
get up go look yourself in the mirror and blame him, then get involved
locally and do something about it.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for N/A
Posted: 28 November 2009

when are we gonna  stop  fighting  each other?   and start   going 
after  the railroads?  do  you know  you can sue  your officals in
court  for ?  or  make  their personal lives miserable? hey?   they
wanna fuck with your job and your  family ?  lets start fucking with
them?  do it in a way no one will ever know? catch them in any act? go
after them in your off time? dont stalk them  but? well you get the
idea ? you guys that are  apes better wake up? officials are not your
buddies

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 25 November 2009

I'll agree it was half arse backwards on this premium card. The union
banked on the majority of members not sending it in. Whoever heard of
sending out a card to not be automatically enrolled? It should have
been the opposite. Even though it was explained in the attached letter
of the actions necessary to prevent paying the premium. It only takes 3
minutes to fill it out and put it in the mailbox seeing it's prepaid
postage. For myself it may work out in my favor. To be determined at a
later date.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 24 November 2009

E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 20 November 2009

Goob

If you read my first post correctly on Nov 17th it stated send the
card
in to not have the money taken out. I never endorsed paying it. I wish
I
had remembered to send in the card. I made the additional premium
payments for 7 months. It might benefit me in the long run. That is to
be determined at a later date.
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I read your post carefully the first time. You said it correctly. The
problem I have is with the card, that should be sent in to activate the
$31.00 deduction and the fact that no action does what it did to you. It
comes down to the union side, everyone wanted us to do this, they never
said no. In reality most were working and never read the frigging
thing. Bet the score was in the 90% area. Had the union requested a
vote in favor---- it would be 20% or less!
AS always --just my Opinion-- Everyone has one hopefully.

Oh by the way if you can figure out a way to cancel that deduction you
will lose the protection and save $217.00 over the next 7 months 

Good beer money . And you will only be down $217.00 Could be a lot
more.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 20 November 2009

your railroad is awful and i hope the stock holders rebel

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 20 November 2009

Goob

If you read my first post correctly on Nov 17th it stated send the card
in to not have the money taken out. I never endorsed paying it. I wish I
had remembered to send in the card. I made the additional premium
payments for 7 months. It might benefit me in the long run. That is to
be determined at a later date.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 19 November 2009

I'll have to agree with the statement these short term disability
policies hate to pay. They love those premiums. I guess I'm one of the
fortunate ones they've been paying me the past 4+ months with my
benefits recently extended for another 3 months. You have to fight to
get it started they play the game of denying benefits. Makes you wonder
how many times this tactic worked and people gave up. Insurance
companies are one of the lowest forms of life on this planet.
Everything from healthcare to automobile a neccessary evil.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 18 November 2009

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 17 November 2009

Bubba

This person hates all unions. He also hates job protection insurance.
He just posted on a subject he haven't a clue about. Especially the
advise of cancelling a short term disability policy that was part of a
contract and we don't pay a premium for the basic
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Boy, 
You hit the nail on the head this time. I despise those that take
advantage of others. You are correct I did not know that the coverage
was provided by your contract. I am smart enough to know that Insurance
provided by the union contract can not be cancelled, it is a group
policy? There is no op out for the Individual. I am thrilled that you
do not pay more for it, however now the union want's you to pay more!

55k of you at $31.00 per month send it to me and get the same
protection that you will have, or now have. Heck I will pay up after
you are Disabled, Certified by a doc, and have received a large
Settlement.At 1.7 million a month it should really be EASY

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 18 November 2009

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 17 November 2009

It seems ya'll are confusing several different issues short term
disabilty, job protection insurance, and H&W. This option is for a
short term disability policy that you already have which doesn't cost
you a dime it was part of a contract. Opt out you'll still be covered
under the short term disability. If you decide to pay the premium and
you get injured on or off the job and collect a settlement you won't
have to repay the short term disabilty money. If you collect sick
benfits from Railroad Retirement while off injured once you collect a
settlement you are required to repay Railroad Retirement. This just
alliviates one less person you need to repay. It's not that big of a
deal. Sign the card send it back before the cut off date the money
won't be taken out of your check.XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
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Short term Disability is a foreign item, with very low claim's. If it
is free and comes with the contract fine, even a fool would not cancel
free insurance, even though it is worthless. Notice all of the If's in
the above post. Folks the stats are in your favor to decline and save
that $31.00. If a doc does not say you are Disabled, guess what ZERO to
your bank account. Now picture this You must repay, if you are injured,
disabled and have a settlement. HUM who would really care!!!!!

Pay up folks rely on the master of education the above Engineer!

Name: US Justice Department
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 17 November 2009

The following article is proof that millions of dollars in FELA
(Railroad employee injury claim) do NOT go to the injured railroad
worker - they go to GREASE THE GREEDY PALMS of the Unions, Railroads,
and lawyers around the country. 

This is just the tip of the iceberg - it is NOT an 'isolated'
incident.... railroad carriers, including CSX,  spend BILLIONS a year
on FELA claims, about 20 TIMES that spent by comparable state workers
compensation (non-railraod FELA type) employee claims. It does not take
a rocket scientist to see this payment imbalance is VASTLY out of whack.


So, WHY IS THERE SUCH AN IMBALANCE OF PAYMENTS? What do FELA claims
cost so much more than identical state claims? For every $100 a state
system pays, FELA pays $2,000.00  For example, over the course of one
year the UP paid out $5 Billion in FELA claims (yes, $1.5 billion!!),
while state compensation programs with the same number of workers with
the same injuries paid out $300 million - by any calculation, that
difference is statistically IMPOSSIBLE - unless there is a MASSIVE
KICKBACK PROGRAM in place and running smoothly wtihout interuption.
Where does all that FELA money go - billions of dollars of overpayments
between the four big railroad - UP, NS, BNSF, and CSX?????  

It sure doesn't go to the injured railroad workers. 

Railroad Managers, Directors and Executives in charge of administering
FELA claims are in the absolute unchecked perfect position to take HUGE
kickbacks from Unions, and from Union appointed FELA attorneys -
everyone gets rich in this game....Unions get a kickback from FELA
attorneys, FELA attorneys get pumped up settlement awards approved by
railroad execs. Yes, you can bet that CSX FELA claims executive get
kickbacks from both FELA attorneys and Union bosses.  

THIS IS WHY FELA CLAIM PAYMENTS ARE 20 TIMES HIGHER THAT STATE RUN
WORKERS COMPENSATION PROGRAMS, and is why the Railroad 'system' will
NEVER get rid of FELA - it is TOO DAMN LUCRITIVE FOR THE CROOKS TO GIVE
IT UP - at the sole expense of the stockholder AND the injured railroad
worker.  

For decades we have heard about how 'fake' railroad workers' injury
claims have driven up the cost of FELA payments. Now you know its
BULLSHIT!!!!!! The whole damn FELA system needs to be investigated and
the crooks need to be cleaned out!!  

Here's the blurb posted earlier by Bubba.  Trust me, the BLET
president is NOT the only one getting rich off the FELA system - there
are hundreds of others who are getting kickbacks too. If the BLET's
president spills his guts to cut a deal, many more heads will roll -
and you can bet it will include a cadre of union AND railroad
executives as well as a boodle of corrupt lawyers...

If you who are reading this know of similar illegal   FELA kickback
schemes, contact your local U.S. Department of Justice field office. 

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BLET PRESIDENT ARRESTED ON BRIBE CHARGE ( press release issued by U.S.
Justice Department, Eastern District, St. Louis, Missouri).   

Edward W. Rodzwicz, president of the Brotherhood of Locomotive
Engineers and Trainmen, was arrested on a federal complaint charging
him with bribery, Acting U.S. Attorney Michael W. Reap announced Oct.
13.  Rodzwicz is the sitting president of the Brotherhood of Locomotive
Engineers and Trainmen (BLET), a national labor union with over 55,000
U.S.A. railroad members. It is a division of the International
Brotherhood of Teamsters (IBT).  According to  affidavit filed with
criminal complaint, BLET
maintains a list of designated legal counsel (DLC), who are recommended
to their membership to handle injury cases under the Federal Employers
Liability Act (FELA). DESIGNATION AS A DLC GENERATES VERY LUCRITIVE
BUSINESS FOR (UNION) DESIGNATED FELA ATTORNEYS. The national president
of the BLET has final authority over the designation of FELA attorneys.
In February 2009, an internal compliance committee recommended that a
particular DLC attorney for the BLET should lose his designation, due
to alleged violations of DLC Rules of Conduct.  On March 10, 2009,
Rodzwicz approached that attorney in Little Rock, Ark., and solicited a
payment from that attorney in exchange for allowing him to retain his
DLC designation. The DLC attorney contacted the Department of Labor,
Office of Inspector General.  In subsequent meetings at the attorney's
office in St. Louis, and at Harrah's Casino, Las Vegas, Rodzwicz
solicited and agreed to accept a cash payment of $10,000 from the
attorney, plus the promise of an additional cash payment of $10,000
after Rodzwicz allowed him to retain his designation.  Rodzwicz
accepted a cash payment from the attorney on April 28, 2009,
in Las Vegas, and he sent a letter allowing the attorney to retain his
designation on May 1, 2009. He accepted a second cash payment of
$10,000 from the attorney on Sept. 16, 2009, in Kansas City, Mo. 
The complaint was filed in the Eastern District of Missouri last week
and remained suppressed until the arrest of Mr. Rodzwicz this morning
by agents with the Department of Labor, Office of Inspector General, at
his home in Avon, Ohio. Daniel R. Petrole, acting inspector general,
U.S. Department of Labor, stated: "Union members expect that their
officials will do what is right on their behalf. If these allegations
are proven, there has been a serious breach of the union members'
trust. My agency will continue to work with the U.S. Attorney's Office
to investigate this type of crime." 
Rodzwicz, 63, was charged with one violation of 18 U.S.C. section 666,
bribery in connection with a federally funded program; and one
violation of 18 U.S.C. section 1952, interstate travel to carry on
unlawful activity. He made his initial appearance this afternoon in
Cleveland. If convicted, 18 U.S.C. section 666 carries a maximum
penalty of ten years in prison and/or fines up to $250,000; 18 U.S.C.
section 1952 carries a maximum penalty of five years in prison and/or
fines up to $250,000. The charges set forth in a complaint are merely
accusations, and the defendant is presumed innocent until and unless
proven guilty. October 14, 2009.
********************************************************************

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 17 November 2009

Bubba

This person hates all unions. He also hates job protection insurance.
He just posted on a subject he haven't a clue about. Especially the
advise of cancelling a short term disability policy that was part of a
contract and we don't pay a premium for the basic coverage.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 17 November 2009

It seems ya'll are confusing several different issues short term
disabilty, job protection insurance, and H&W. This option is for a
short term disability policy that you already have which doesn't cost
you a dime it was part of a contract. Opt out you'll still be covered
under the short term disability. If you decide to pay the premium and
you get injured on or off the job and collect a settlement you won't
have to repay the short term disabilty money. If you collect sick
benfits from Railroad Retirement while off injured once you collect a
settlement you are required to repay Railroad Retirement. This just
alliviates one less person you need to repay. It's not that big of a
deal. Sign the card send it back before the cut off date the money
won't be taken out of your check.

Name: Bubba
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 16 November 2009

Hey, Other, non-employee, for N/A

  Almost forgot, since you a UTU hater and a BLE nut-hugger, I thought
you may wanna read this.  Not to worry, I'm sure you have a very large
Ego and you can handle it.   

     
BLET president arrested on bribe charge 
(The following press release was issued by the U.S. Justice
Department’s U.S. attorney’s office for the Eastern District of
Missouri in St. Louis.)  

Edward W. Rodzwicz, president of the Brotherhood of Locomotive
Engineers and Trainmen, was arrested on a federal complaint charging
him with bribery, Acting U.S. Attorney Michael W. Reap announced Oct.
13. 

Rodzwicz is the sitting president of the Brotherhood of Locomotive
Engineers and Trainmen (BLET), a national labor union with over 55,000
members consisting of railroad employees throughout the United States.
It is a division of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters (IBT). 


According to the affidavit filed with the criminal complaint, the BLET
maintains a list of designated legal counsel (DLC), who are recommended
to their membership to handle injury cases under the Federal Employers
Liability Act (FELA). Designation as a DLC generates very lucrative
business for designated attorneys.  

The national president of the BLET has final authority over the
designation of FELA attorneys.  

In February 2009, an internal compliance committee recommended that a
particular DLC attorney for the BLET should lose his designation, due
to alleged violations of DLC Rules of Conduct.  

On March 10, 2009, Rodzwicz approached that attorney in Little Rock,
Ark., and solicited a payment from that attorney in exchange for
allowing him to retain his DLC designation. The DLC attorney contacted
the Department of Labor, Office of Inspector General.  

In subsequent meetings at the attorney's office in St. Louis, and at
Harrah's Casino, Las Vegas, Rodzwicz solicited and agreed to accept a
cash payment of $10,000 from the attorney, plus the promise of an
additional cash payment of $10,000 after Rodzwicz allowed him to retain
his designation.  

Rodzwicz accepted a cash payment from the attorney on April 28, 2009,
in Las Vegas, and he sent a letter allowing the attorney to retain his
designation on May 1, 2009. 

He accepted a second cash payment of $10,000 from the attorney on Sept.
16, 2009, in Kansas City, Mo. 

The complaint was filed in the Eastern District of Missouri last week
and remained suppressed until the arrest of Mr. Rodzwicz this morning
by agents with the Department of Labor, Office of Inspector General, at
his home in Avon, Ohio. 

Daniel R. Petrole, acting inspector general, U.S. Department of Labor,
stated: "Union members expect that their officials will do what is
right on their behalf. If these allegations are proven, there has been
a serious breach of the union members' trust. My agency will continue
to work with the U.S. Attorney's Office to investigate this type of
crime." 

Rodzwicz, 63, was charged with one violation of 18 U.S.C. section 666,
bribery in connection with a federally funded program; and one
violation of 18 U.S.C. section 1952, interstate travel to carry on
unlawful activity. He made his initial appearance this afternoon in
Cleveland. 

If convicted, 18 U.S.C. section 666 carries a maximum penalty of ten
years in prison and/or fines up to $250,000; 18 U.S.C. section 1952
carries a maximum penalty of five years in prison and/or fines up to
$250,000. 

The charges set forth in a complaint are merely accusations, and the
defendant is presumed innocent until and unless proven guilty.
 
October 14, 2009

Name: Bubba
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 16 November 2009

Other, Non-employee, for N/A

   You must be a certified financial planner to tell someone "simply
cancel the un needed coverage that you currently have.  You have
coverage provided by you and the CSX---that my friend is all you
need."   Well now, you must be good friends with the conductor, to
know how much coverage he needs to cover his bills in case of a
illness.  You then state "Put that $31.00 in your pocket, after a
while you can call the shot's and not the UTU". What the heck does
that mean?  If $31.00 a month is gonna make that big of a change in
your finances, then apparently you need some financial advice of your
own. 

  Also, although I am in the UTU, I received a letter from the BLET
yesterday.   Let me educate you a bit, this is the bottom paragraph
from the BLET international Headquarters.

NOTE:  UTU Members working as engineers are eligible for Part A and may
purchase Part B coverage by making an annual payment of $276 to the BLET
Trust Fund.

Other, non-employee, for N/A,  it seems as though the $276 is more BS
from the BLET.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 16 November 2009

Conductor:
The $31.00 is more BS from the UTU. The very best move for you is to
not even entertain the notion of paying an extra premium, simply cancel
the un needed coverage that you currently have.

You have coverage provided by you and the CSX--- that my friend is all
that you need. Put that $31.00 in Your Pocket, after a while you can
call the shot's and not the UTU.

Just remember the CSX send's you a check, the UTU take's your check.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 14 November 2009

That money is an option you can opt out. The purpose is if you are
injured wether on or off duty and recieve a settlement you don't have
to pay back the short term disabilty money. If you opt out then you
have to pay back the money if you collected from Prudential after
recieving a settlement. The BLET got this last year.

Name: Soon to retire
E-mail: 
Employed as: Crew Dispatcher, for N/A
Posted: 13 November 2009

I have spent a lot of time reading these posts!  I am surprised to learn
that many of us at CMC are oblivious to much of what happens to T&E! The
T&E have my upmost respect for the demanding hours and job that they do.
But, working the desk that I work, I must say I understand the
frustration!  Its frustrating for T&E when when some at CMC give you a
hard time, but its also frustrationg for callers as well.  We are
constantly "monitored"  I hate hearing that callers are to blame for
many of the problems that T&E encounter!  Many (not all I know) callers
will help with what they can! But we are with our own limits as to what
we are able to do. Doing someone a "favor" that is just not possible
without getting a caller in hot water (sometimes suspension) is just
not worth it.  

It gets frustrating for us when people "shoot" the boards just to
avoid work! Or marks off sick just because they dont want to catch a
certain train or dont want to work with who they are paired up with! 
After working an area so long you start to know whos who and what they
do.  Our job is to call the trains. when we delay them we have to
answer as to why (to more than one person,) and that gets old quick! 
(Communication is NOT the strong suit of the company, as I am sure many
of you know)  Running the rosters is what we must do to try to get a
crew for the train!  If we dont "look" for people to work what we are
delaying then thats a write-up for us! and after so many of those it
goes to "counseling" and then sometimes an investigation!  So yes
getting a crew for a train is my #1 priority, its my job.  And I am
well aware that it gets aggravating for many to have their phones
ringing all night! (I personally hate calling people that I know are
asleep) I can go on and on here but any employee should understand what
I mean.   

  We are under a union contract just as the T&E are! A contract thats
violated so often I cant keep up!  To get days off the correct way is
sometimes nearly impossible for us as well.  Ive had to miss many
family things due to that.  So please try to remember that the callers
are not there to "screw" anyone! We are not all bad!  Please don't
group us all as 1 in the same! Because I really cant think of anyone
that I call that would say I am mean or disrespectful to anyone that
calls in!  I think most would say that I am helpful and try to get a
resolution to any problems that one may have!  

I cant wait to see the responses I get to this!  I look forward to
reading them!

Caller 
 


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Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 13 November 2009

Hey Con 30+:

Opt out...you can!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 13 November 2009

Has anyone else gotten a letter from the UTU on their latest scam.
Everyon MUST pay $31 a month more with their union dues for a short
term disability policy. You can send a post card in and opt out but how
many will be "lost'"?  Which fat cat union bosses are getting a
kickback this time?

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 08 November 2009

Sick days for T+E on Csx are like caffiene in 7-UP; never had em never
will.  I drag my sick ass to work and save sick markoffs for beautiful
summer days when the list is exhausted.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 10-20 years
Posted: 07 November 2009

Hi 
I work in intermodal and have been with csx for 18 yrs.
We use STARS and it sucks they charge us with one point if we are 1 min
late or take the day off sick.. With CSXI we get 20 paid sick days a
year which is great not sure how many you guys get with CSXT. Flu
season is here they also like to tell us that sick days are for the
employee not for your children. My sons have been sick with flu for 4
weeks now back and forth maybe I should bring them to the ramp and let
them sit in the lunchroom for my shift and get the whole ramp sick. ( I
KNOW I CANT DO THIS JUST WISH FULL THINKING) I just dont understand why
they give us sick days we cant use!!! THIS SUCKS!! TCU our union does
not care so what could we do any suggestions?
THANKS

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 20-30 years
Posted: 04 November 2009

Huntington division is no different...trainmasters steal time
hear...never leave the house unless Frulla calls out swat team

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Train Master/ supervisor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 04 November 2009

THE LOWDOWN ON THE DETROIT TRAINMASTERS

RECENTLY ALL 5 TRAINMASTERS AT ROUGEMERE YARD IN DEARBORN MI WERE
PLACED ON ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE BY THE NORTHERN REGION MANAGER CINDY
SANBORN. THE 4 WERE ACCUSED OF LETTING CREWS STEAL TIME, COVERING UP
RUN THROUGH SWITCHES, DERAILMENTS AND INJURIES. AMONG THOSE ACCUSED WAS
JIM HORNER, DETROITS TERMINAL MANAGER WHO IS ONE OF THE MOST RESPECTED
OFFICIALS ON THE ENTIRE CSX SYSTEM BY BOTH T&E EMPLOYEES AS WELL AS
OTHER OFFICIALS. LAST FRIDAY THEIR FATE WAS HANDED DOWN BY DIVISION
MANAGER JEFF WHITE. MR. HORNER AS WELL AS TM GORDON WILSON WERE FORCED
TO RETIRE WHILE TM JOE TUCKER WAS DEMOTED AND TM BOB BARNHARD WAS
ALLOWED TO GO BACK TO CRAFT AS CONDUCTOR. THE 5TH  TRAINMASTER JASON
HARRIS WAS GIVEN A GOLDEN TICKET OUT OF THE DIVISION TO AVON INDIANA
WHERE HE HAS WANTED TO GO SINCE ARRIVING AT DETROIT. SO WHY DID THE
OTHER 4 GET FIRED AND NOT JASON YOU ASK, WELL MR HARRIS IS THE ONE WHO
STARTED ALL OF THIS BY SQUEELING LIKE THE FAT PIG HE IS TO THE REGIONAL
MANAGER ABOUT THE WRONG DOINGS IN DETROIT AND ABOUT HOW HE WAS TIRED OF
HAVING HIS JOB THREATENED. MR HARRIS DID MORE COVERING UP THAN THE
OTHER 4 TRAINMASTERS COMBINED, INCLUDING TAKING CASH FROM A CREW TO
COVER UP A RUN-THROUGH SWITCH AND PERSONALLY COMPLETING TIME TICKETS
FOR CREWS. MR.HARRIS SPENT THE MAJORITY OF HIS TIME IN DETROIT SHOPPING
ON EBAY AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ESCAPE THE DREADED CHICAGO
DIVISION. THEN 2 MONTHS AGO WHILE AT A MANAGERS MEETING IN PHILADELPHIA
HE DECEIDED TO OPEN HIS FAT MOUTH AND BETTER HIS CAREER BY RUINING THE
CAREERS OF 4 OTHER MEN. THE CSXT MANAGMENT AND ESPECIALLY THOSE WITHIN
THE NORTHERN REGION DID NOTHING TO INVESTIGATE MR HARRIS'S CLAIMS. IF
THEY HAD THEY WOULD HAVE SEEN WHO THE REAL SHITBAG WAS AND SHOVED THE
WHISTLE UP THE FAT WHISTLEBLOWERS ASS. SO IF YOU WORK IN OR OUT OF AVON
YARD WATCH YOUR ASS. WHETHER YOUR A UNION EMPLOYEE OR AN OFFICIAL, BE
CAREFUL BECAUSE JASON HARRIS WILL STEP ON YOU TO GET TO THE TOP. (OR
EVEN JUST TO GET OUT OF YOUR DIVISION)

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 02 November 2009

anyone  hear  about csx employees stealing time in detroit, trainmasters
and road forman getting fired also?

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 20-30 years
Posted: 01 November 2009

We have know one to blame but ourselves for having such cowardly union
officers; even on the international level!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 01 November 2009

Why blame those in Hinton for something CSX is considering? I've never
seen where the workers or unions have had any options other then try to
secure some percentage of the work based on milage on each subdivision
when ID service is established. You're playing right into CSX hands
create discention amongst the rank and file. CSX doesn't care who
loses. It's happened before with ID service in other places it didn't
work at first then the workers gave in and made it work. We are our
worst enemy at times.

Name: russell guy
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 31 October 2009

Hey folks,
            I am here to say that Hinton sucks and your managers as
well. They think that we are the bad guys and we have alot more work
this way. I hope they find away to shut down Hinton stopping point as
they have been trying for a long time. I hope they get rid of all the
people from Hinton. The only good thing about staying in them shitty
hotels is knowing I just passed you on the road and your wife is on her
way to  see me!! As a matter of fact she just called while you are out
of town wanting to know if i was on my way. Your safe tonight cause i
am off. Hinton girls are easy!! If you are eating in Hinton your wifes
usally come to us and say aww you most work on the railroad my husband
works for the railroad hes neer home hint hint. Well why dont you come
to DQ and let me eat ya! HA Oh and as far as us taking your shitty jobs
we dont want the shitty jobs! You would be better off letting them shut
Hinton down at least you would be home a little more! It is not just me
there is 4 of your girls sleeping with russell men. And they all tell us
hes prolly doing the samething where ever he is. Rot you stupid scabs
from Hinton!Just keep in mind if we move to Hinton your wife may just
move with us!

Name: conductor
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 31 October 2009

As I have read and know to be fact they are moving jobs to hinton from
russell because the russell guys cant move trains over the road. it
takes them hrs to even get out on the train and pull. They know that by
placing jobs in hinton that the guys wont take them and they are
learning that they dont get lodging everywhere and they have to mave to
hinton and live. This Id agreement will never last s the company will
see that it not working. There are a few guys that have came to hinton
to take the few jobs they put on but it wil bit them pretty hard when
the company says this aint working they wil lhave to move there home
yet again. The company is screwing the guys from both locations and the
russell guys didnt see it coming and they bed over and take it. Stupid
if they take the few spots at hinton and even dumber if they move to
hinton. The company is reviewing the id crews to see whom moves the
trains better hiinton guys or russell. They are working on a plan to
take away id from russell and let them have the pools and hinton have a
id and only run from elk run danville and peach creek back to hinton not
in to russell. I personally wish they would do away with id service all
together and never have to see the trash from russell again.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 31 October 2009

All you have to do is schedule your PL & DV days on days that are
available. I'm sure you already know that fact. CMC has the discretion
to allow or deny them if they weren't scheduled. I've never had a
problem with CMC getting them once I've ascertained no one else was
using them or only one person was off. Another issue would be people on
the boards to cover the vacancy. Just because someone wants them at
their convenience doesn't mean anything. As for working OT give me a
break quit complaining because mean ole'CSX forces someone to make
money. There are thousands out there who'ld like to fill those slots.
In fact there are 2100 people furloughed around CSX. Everthing I've
read shows it's going to be a long haul to the recovery of business.
Be thankful you have a job in this market. I recieved an email
yesterday concerning people who were terminated and the final appeals
notices. It wasn't good 9 out of 11 terminations were upheld which
means their gone for good. Keep your nose clean and go with the flow
it's going to be one hell of a ride.

Name: TRUTH-NO LIES
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 28 October 2009

CSX Sux is the correct name for the local Russel, Kentucky roundhouse,
Raceland Yards, and Huntington Repair Shop in Huntington, WV. The bald
headed sucker that does the hiring really looks and acts like he is
straight from Russia. He walks into interviews like he is being
bothered to see you and thinks his shit don't stink. Unless your last
name is one of his sucks your family will never have the opportunity to
be able to work for the railroad. Experience and schooling does not mean
anything with CSX in the Tri-State Area of Ashland, ky / Ironton, Ohio /
and Huntington, Wv. I hope the Russian gets his one day as all people
do. The railroad in our area really sux as they have leaks in tank cars
in the Raceland yard and causes business to shut down and don't bother
to pay the local businees employees or loss of busniess due to their
stupdiness and no concern for human life. The big shot Mr. Russian bald
head run around like he was trying to hide the mess he created. The
local news media did let it get out after people in the local cities of
raceland, worthington, and wurtland was evacuated and local business was
close. SHAME ON CSX for not leaving a man in control of this area of the
railroad who has no concern for the people living in the area near the
railroad. I have lived here for 56 years and it is the worst I have
ever seen it. CSX REALLY DOES SUCK!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 10-20 years
Posted: 25 October 2009

They will not approve your personel days or vacation.  They make you
work 2 to 3 days a week of overtime with out a choice.  Your request
paid time off, the answer is no.  You lay off sick, account you have to
be off.  Your at step one,two, three.  They have all kinds of furloughed
employees, who they say want to work.  They fire you account you have
several years of service and are entitledt to Vacation, Personal days. 
The economy sucks, they cut jobs off.  Twelve months ago they couldnt
get enough people who were willing to work for a company that was
trying to fire you every time they turn around, becaue Tony Ingram Told
your supervisor they had a Quota on how many people they had to fail on
O-Test a month.  This is the only fortune 500 company who try to fire
all of the employee's that make they company run.  Its not the CEO or
Ingram, that keeps the Railroad running.  When they are in trouble who
do they turn to there employee's to solve there problem.  But never
reward them all ways punish them.  They need new people running the
show not ward, ingram and all there freinds on the Board.

Name: Red
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 21 October 2009

Hey Russell Conductor,
   I woundnt be worried about the restriction of senority of on Russell
I2 jobs at Hinton, I would be worried about why their putting your jobs
on at some place other then your home terminal! Makes a lot of since
for the company to add jobs at terminal 167 miles away from your home.
They are hoping you Russell guys dont take them. That way both Hinton
and Russell crews lose and CSX wins like always.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 19 October 2009

October 18, 2009 & CSX still SUCKS!


Cheap Skate Xpress

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 18 October 2009

Anybody know why they are restictin Russell senority on the I2 pooles at
Hinton when the contract clearly says Russell men have first rights to
them.  Labor Relations told me that there is a magic number on the
roster and that number is 2214 so if you younger than than your not
allowed to mark up on them but if your older you can.  What the hell,
does senority even matter who cares if I'm younger thatn that if a
older man wants the job then he will kick me.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 17 October 2009

CSX Blow

In one way your right after someone leaves their forgotten. I've been
off on a medical for 3 1/2 months maybe I'm fortunate but quite a few
of my fellow co-workers check on me every week. The biggest change not
one CSX official has called to see how I'm doing. Recently I went to a
C&O Retirees lunch there were 4 retired trainmasters all of whom I
greatly respect. Back in their days they knew everyone who worked on
their subdivision or yard they cared. When I did the "face to face"
rules class early this year it was the first time I met the TM for the
subdivision I worked on he had been the TM for well over a year. Times
have changed for the worse.

Name: robofuq
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 16 October 2009

First of all, I agree that when the company implements rules that
override existing agreements it is horseshit.  That being said, they
make the rules, like them or not.  They also have the power to take
away your paycheck if rules are not followed.  You lost your job
because you can't be bothered to go to work, and now you want
sympathy?  Sorry, I'm fresh out.  After 6 years with no layoffs, I
watched as hundreds of my brothers, in all crafts, lost their jobs when
Frontier yard was closed, myself included.  I don't want to see anyone
get fired, and I hope you get your job back.  In the meantime, get a
taste of what else is out there.  I think you'll find that 60k a year
jobs are not falling off trees.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 16 October 2009

Hey Unemployment Insurance:

It's an Oyster alright...a mountain Oyster!

Name: CSX Blow
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 15 October 2009

To Unemployment Insurance :   

Your response was : Now I'm collecting Unemployment looking for
another job, waiting on
appeals and arbritration. None of my Union "brothers" seem to
care...
Haven't received a phone call yet :o(

Well, I've got news for you in which you found out the hard way.
Nobody, AND I MAN NOBODY on the railroad gives a crap about you or the
next man. They are all in it for theirselves out here which is a real
cry and shame because the conductors I work with hold my job in their
hands just like they count on me to come to be responsible. That's
just the way it is out here. Like I said, I hate you had to find out
the hard way.

Name: Unemployment Insurance
E-mail: VL2@TMO.Blackberry.NET
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 15 October 2009

I'm just laughing at the 666 engine on the homepage. Are there two of
those kinds? Because I thought it was a wide body!? The accident
displayed explains why I haven't seen that engine in awhile :o)

Name: Unemployment Insurance
E-mail: VL2@TMO.Blackberry.NET
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 15 October 2009

@ "Shame on Lloyd" and "Shame on you CSX" (the same person lol).

This is my first time on this site and your words have inspired me and
lifted up my bad mood :o) You are truly a free man with a free spirit.


And I can agree with you that not to many railroaders are brave enough
to make the decision you made. I'm still a fairly young Man and
learning, the world is my oyster... Peace.

Name: Unemployment Insurance 
E-mail: VL2@TMO.Blackberry.NET
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 15 October 2009

That level 3 in the attendance policy is a motha effer...  (How do u
fight it?) I don't even think it's in the collective bargaining
agreement. But they do what they want... The F'd up thing about it is
that guys who are getting dismissed now will not benefit from the new
agreement that's going to wipe everybodies slate clean and if you get
in trouble again it will wipe out again with 6months good behavior. 

Wish I had that benefit, sucks to be me. :o(

Now I'm collecting Unemployment looking for another job, waiting on
appeals and arbritration. None of my Union "brothers" seem to care...
Haven't received a phone call yet :o(

Name: dillweed
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 12 October 2009

CSX sucks almost as bad as the Unions that they own. I don't care if it
is BLE or UTU- they both suck CSX D. and they both screw the Union
members. I guess the RR used to be a decent job. Those days are long
gone by. With the FRA hos laws in place, they have pretty much capped
our pay. F all the BS.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 12 October 2009

Hey Ninja:

Retire and become a gentleman of leisure or hit the Powerball!

Name: No Work (Ninja)
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 11 October 2009

Well TM offered a 30 Day waiver for suspension, and I am going to take
it...but now that I still have a job...what are some tricks and tips I
can use to get the time off I need without getting jammed up in the
attendance policy?

Name: retired
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 10 October 2009

to the person who is in step three for not working. If you have let it
get this for then you need to be terminated and let the people that is
cut off go to work that wants too and need to make a living. find you
another job that has all the off days you need and let someone else
work. the r.r. is a job that works seven days a week all hrs of the day
enjoy your off time now like i do.

Name: Cee
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 09 October 2009

You're fucked. Level three is too late.

Name: No Work
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 09 October 2009

CEE, What is the secret? any word of advice for a Brother? (Have
investigation for not working enough, next week, TM says its a "step
3"?)

Name: Cee
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 09 October 2009

I miss very little with the family. It is a game. My co workers bitch
and snicker behind my back. I have been in attendance handling nearly
constantly for 10 years. You learn the attendance policy and how to
stay ahead of it. You make a choice to either be CSX's bitch or you
make a choice not to. It's that simple.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 08 October 2009

Hey Amanda:

If your fiance is smart enough to figure how to get every day off he
needs, he's in the wrong career...he should be the Emperor of the know
and unknown universe!

CSX has over the last 5 or 6 years shut down the system on Thanksgiving
and Christmas to allow the employees to enjoy the holiday with their
families.

If he plays games marking up on jobs he knows he can't hold just to
get rolled off it for a off day, he's just kidding you and him self.

I think he is a new hire with less than a couple of years and just
blowing smoke up your skirt. If you don't believe me, just marry him
and see how much time he really has off...it will all be personal leave
days or daily vacation days which is only about 13 days the first few
years. Everything else is AWOL and subject to attendance handling!

Name: Amanda
E-mail: hugnkiss419@hotmail.com
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 08 October 2009

I'm sorry but for an employer to pay an employee to sit at the house
and just be "available"  and still see a $1200 (after taxes) pay
check should be able to handle the rules of the game. If you don't
like getting paid to sit at home and do fucking nothing then don't
work for CSX.  

When my fiance was picked to go to CSX school he was told we are now
your wife, kids, mother,father, and etc. don't expect to be off for
every event that your family has. My fiance has never missed a
christmas or thanksgiving holiday because unlike you he knows how to
call and say what is available for me to mark up on and usually he will
pick the job that allows him to have the day off he needs. 

Most jobs do not gaurantee you time off for every event in your life. I
work 5 days a week 8-4:30 and I have had to work on days when I would
like to be off.

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 06 October 2009

Wow Eng 1-10 I must have hit a real soft spot with you.  Let me clarify
my words more carefully before you go off on a damn rant again.  First
of all, there is nothing cowardly about me sir.  I've only noticed you
post one thing on this site (or so I know of) and I've been posting on
here for at least a couple of years.  If you want to quit, that is your
call, but if you got treated like you said you did then you should do
something about it.  I'm sure everyone has their own definition of
what a coward is but here is mine.  Someone who lets people get the
best of them.  Someone who tuck tails and runs away from their
problems.  Someone who is afraid to speak out against what is wrong. 
I've said on this site a hundred times if another great opportunity
came I'd leave in a heartbeat but I wouldn't leave without speaking
my mind first.  

Oh and another thing, good for you for leaving.  Maybe you had another
great opportunity or you don't have children to support, or you got
another job with good benefits and you have time off on the weekends. 
Why be contrary though?  You come on here one day and talk about why
you leave and all the things you can't stand about this company and
then you come back and praise it for all it has done for you?  Sounds
like you quit and are already regretting it.  I might absolutely detest
this company for what it is but I still love the job I do.  So maybe its
shame on me for staying and bitching, or maybe its shame on you for
quitting and killing your retirement plan.  You can look at it however
you want, but as long as this site exists, I'll bitch anytime I feel
like it and you can either scroll down, or read and respond.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 06 October 2009

You did the best thing for you. I wouldn't cast judgement on those
who'll stick it out with the railroad just like no one should judge
your decision. The railroad has never been for everyone. It takes a lot
of dedication and sacrifice even in good times. People overlook the bad
times if their making money. Once times get rough it's everyone elses
fault.

Name: Shame on Lloyd.
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 06 October 2009

Dear Lloyd,

I believe it is you, not me, that has the score of CSX 1, you 0. You
are the one staying at CSX, filled with hate. You personally would
never do the things you suggested to me. No, you incite, bitch and moan
about where you work. You sir, are nothing more than a lemming, doing
what you are told, at the minimum effort you can muster.

You are a miserable man filled with hate. 30 years of going to a job
you hate, and with people you hate is such a waste. I pity you.

I made a decision to leave and you tell me how I should screw over a
company that paid me 446,548.16 over 10 years. You tell me that
beacause you don't have the courage to do those things your self. 

I found the courage to leave thru family, friends and myself. I wonder
if you have that type of support, I doubt it. If you did you still
would not have the courage to leave. 

You live in the land of OZ.....as the Scarecrow you reveal that you 
lack a brain. As a Cowardly Lion your fear makes you inadequate. You do
not understand that courage means acting in the face of fear. As the
Woodsman, you lack the heart to use your axe for good purposes. Only
using it to chop other people and thier decisions down.

Did I have bad days on the RR, yes. Did I have good days on the RR,
yes. I had reached the pinnacle of what I was going to do for 20 more
years. Well there are many ways to be happy and make money, other than
being a serf to a self serving managment.

Everyone has free will to make choices,and then act on them. I made
mine and you critize me, unbelievable. You sir, have made a decision to
be a serf. If you are happy with it then so be it. Can't you be happy
for someone that isn't a serf?

Name: Dead Peasant
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 04 October 2009

http://jonathanturley.org/2009/02/25/peasant-uprising-widow-sues-late-husbands-employer-over-dead-peasant-insurance-policy/

"the employer of her late husband Daniel Johnson was to receive $1.6
million after his death under a practice known in the industry as a
“dead peasant” insurance policy. Under this common practice, employers
take out life insurance on employees and write off the payments as a
business expense. They then collect a windfall when one of the
“peasants” die."

CSX do this?

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 1-10 years
Posted: 02 October 2009

Hey Eng 1-10, I think you made a big mistake and you let the company
win.  If you were going to quit anyway you should at least go out with
a bang and either try and organize some people who had your same
thought process or punched one of the trainmasters who treated you like
scum.  Hell, why not even expose them for what they are doing where you
are at by giving other employees interviews and asking them how they
feel about the company. They have it coming and when I finally see it
on television I'll laugh my ass off because this is a new generation
of youtube and exposing terrible companies. Someone will be the first
to do it, might as well be you right?  Right now its CSX 1, you 0.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for 1-10 years
Posted: 02 October 2009

Damn.  Must have worked on the Florence Division!!

Name: Shame on you CSX
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 02 October 2009

Dear CSX management,

I have resigned my postion with you. I know my traimasters, and the
corporation could care less.

When a drunk traimaster  with as erious problem calls you on your rest
day at 3 am to yell at you, not once but twice, It time to consdir
leaving. I made my decision after a terminal manager back the
traimaster and not me. There is not one supervisor that has a spine at
CSX. I ueuss when you go to TM school, you sign a release to relinquish
your mind, heart, and soul. Oh and any compassion you might have. 

That is why I left. In 9 years of working there, not once was I given a
thank you. I used my cell phone to move my train. I showed up early to
make sure that my conductor and I had proper paperwork. I did not get
paid for that time, It was my choice.I did everything safely, and on
time. 

I understand the unions are deep in your pockets and vise versa. You
say you want us to work by safety rules everyday. Then you send spies
to watch us. So, the company doesn't trust its employees to do the
right thing. God forbide if you do something out of the ordinary. The
spies don't tell you, just send a letter. In my records, I was
observed on days I didn't work and failed some obscure rule. That's
your trainmasters, RFE's setting the example. Tm's will lie about on
time departures, as I have personally been late leaving the terminal,
only to find out, on paper I was on time. Once there was a 2 hour
difference.

I have no respect for liars and the thieves in the union. They have
sold everything I and many men before me worked hard for. The BLE and
UTU have made secret handshakes behind closed doors. Top union officals
are elected and don't have a pot to piss in. Funny when they leave they
are very very wealthy. I wonder why? and how that can be. Between
management,the unions, they have taken every thing from me. But they
didn't take my soul, work ethic, and morals.

Thats all I have left, my own morals, work ethic and self repect.CSX
has tried to take all that away from me and others. I refuse to
compromise. I have no idea what I will do. All I know is i have moved
on. I am trying very hard to get the taste of crap that CSX tried to
shove down me.

I thank the good people that took time to show me how to railroad. I
will never forget them. 

The rest of you, I hope there is a special place in hell for you.

I have seen the hell at called CSX, and therefore I say goodbye.

Name: Thanks for Nothing
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 29 September 2009

There is a lot of truth in this site. I tried for over a year to get a
career started with CSX through two testing sessions and two job
interviews. The jobs was for the Russell roundhouse and the Russell
yard. Both were a waste of my time and theirs as it was all a put on
for the public. Mr. Skinhead (the top management offical) was very
obnoxious and acted as if he was retarded. During the interviews he
acted like it was a bother for him to be there. Of course it was as he
knew who was going to get the jobs. The very people that are
complaining about working. I was willing to work any shift any hour and
start with a forward look to a new career with responsibility. But
instead I was treated like I was a crimminal and wasting his time for
showing up to take a test he probably can't pass and never saw as he
probably had the inside track for his job. I was at first disppointed
that I didn't get a career to enjoy but after I found out how the
positions were filled I jumped with joy. Whoever you knew the most in
top management at CSX got you the job, not on your skills that could be
used for the commpany's interest. Well Mr. Skinhead I hope you enjoy
the people you hired and get everything coming to you. I hope the
company sees the truth in you and puts you on skidrow where you belong.
No wonder people are complaining if all CSX management likes the look of
you.

Name: Lefty
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 10-20 years
Posted: 24 September 2009

Lord suck. Can you give us some suck heisman hopefuls
like jack vierlings reach Round move he does for frulla  or let's see
how about rob brownells keg stand at the Csx safety stand down. Woops
forgot what they told me about drinking and driving ......... Mr
pendergrass what are those blue lights flashing
for ? Is thAt a breThaluzer or are they just glad ro see me

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 24 September 2009

It sure is nice to mark off safety and collect good money for not doing
squat.  The only down side is I have to kiss the trainamster's ass to
mark off, but man it sure beats working.

Name: Lord SuckaLot
E-mail: 
Employed as: M of W, for 20-30 years
Posted: 24 September 2009

Fool.  Its not me.  Executive SuckaLots would never do such a disgusting
underhanded thing like impersonating a Union Monkey. 
It is beneath our dignity, and our CLASS rank. 

Go now, be humble, do what you monkies do - pick your nose or scratch
your butt or mate or something. 

                      Your Executive Head Master,

                         LORD SUCKALOT
                       King of CSX Suckdome
                  CSX Executive Haidmaiden to God 
             Triple Sex Sickma Kung Foo Master Pink Belt
                  Neon Red Illuminati 35th Rank
                       Supreme Ass Kisser

Name: Madman
E-mail: 
Employed as: M of W, for 20-30 years
Posted: 23 September 2009

OK! I see you like to my screen name. I wonder if you are Man enough to
come out and give us your real name! You can play all the games you
want, but you are starting to bore the he'll out of me. I am starting
to beleive this is Suckassalot that is using my name. After all only he
would come up with constant anal penetration. Come on now GET A LIFE! Go
play with Bonzo your wife and use your own screen name! 

You are nothing but a Fucking loser- What Happened to you while you
were growing up? I wonder that your mother didn't give you the hugs &
kisses, did she spike you on the floor like a football or did she let
your father, uncles and their friends & neighbors molest you! I could
go on but your not even worth it, life is short just like yourself with
nobody wants to be your friend you are what other people would call a No
Life Hermit. What is your pupose in life? Why do you choose to try &
Fuck with my name and post your Bullshit!  Forget it you FUCKING JUNGLE
CRICKET!

Name: Madman
E-mail: 
Employed as: M of W, for 10-20 years
Posted: 23 September 2009

Good Morning Ladies and Gentlemen.
    We here at CSX do really not appreciate your concerns of Safety,
Behaviors of Train Masters, and other Supervision Personnel. I am going
to launch a missle into these concerns. I have also created a
more aggressive team of Nazi Investigators headed by the recreated Home
Office of the Mobile Officer I. (HOMO I). This Office will Investigat
all the Claims that were posted here and forward the results to the
proper Personnel for interrogation and torture, and will stick a spike
up your ass.

HOMO I  will also Ignore all alledged white collar crime and thoroughly
investigate all union thefts that have been increasing
of CSX Property. There will be a change of Command so there will be 
total confusion such the CSX Police will no longer fall under Stupidity
and Lackies- They will be deployed under the new name of Honor
Organization Mobile Offfice II (HOMO II) Units this Unit will fall
under the Un-enforcement Arm of HOMO I. 

The Newly created HOMO I Office of the HOMO II mployees are
Sworn Nazi Enforcement Whores of Transporation Surrogates (NEWTS) 
Federal Commishoned Special Agents. I must inform all Employees that
the Newly created Office is
unlike the CSX Police. They are Naked Homo Special Agents they can
be Identified by their issued Fig Leaves and rusty spikes just for
Suckassalot.  If encountered by a Naked Agent you are to give full
compliance (bend over) or face formal Discipline Charges.

The Office of the HOMO will also Investigate all baseless 
Threats, Racial Descrimination, Etc. CSX has an absolute Tolerence
Policy for Work Place Violence, Racial Discrimination and Sexual
Fornication.  All Reports, including videos and pictures, will be
forwarded to myself for my personal private review and will be dealt
with accordingly. This can or will lead up to Promotion and Six Sigma
training for any managment personnel, and  Termination and Criminal
Charges on any union employee violators. The Selection Process has
already started with a few members in here by utilyzing their
Information Provided and their Home HTML Connections, such as NoMo,
RRJ, Lloyd, Suckassalot, Sam the Slave, Binheer2long, Goober, and many
others. 

I am Pleased to Provide an Extra layer of Protection on our Dedicated
Managers and Supervisors, and stick spikes up the asses of jackoffs
like suckassalot. 

I would like to Thank You for taking out time to read this
Announcement. Have a very Safe Day.

                                                                      

                M. Ward  


All stupid Employees are Required to have your CSX Idetification
visable at all times while on Company Property.

Name: Mike Ward
E-mail: 
Employed as: Corporate office, for 30+ years
Posted: 23 September 2009

Good Morning Ladies and Gentlemen.
    We here at CSX do really appreciate your concerns of; Safety,
Behaviors of Train Masters, and other Supervision Personnel. I am going
to launch a Investigation into these concerns. I have also created a
more aggressive team of Investigators headed by the recreated Office of
the Inspector General (OIG). This Office will Investigat all the Claims
that were posted here and forward the results to the proper Personnel.

The Office of the Inspector General (OIG) will also Investigate all
alledged white collar crime as well as Thefts that have been increasing
of CSX Property. There will be a chain of Command so there will be no
confusion such the CSX Police will no longer fall under Security and
Safety- They will be deployed under the new name of Mobile Tactical
Units this Unit will fall under as the Enforcement Arm of the Office of
the Inspector General (OIG). 

The Newly created Office of the Inspector General(OIG) Employees are
Sworn Law Enforcement Officials (LEO) Federal Commishoned Special
Agents. I must inform all Employees that the Newly created Office is
unlike the CSX Police. They are Plain Clothed Special Agents they can
be Identified by their issued Credentials and Badge. If encountered by
a Special Agent you are to give full compliance or face formal
Discipline Charges.

The Office of the Inspector General(OIG) will also Investigate all
Threats, Racial Descrimination, Etc. CSX has a Zero Tolerence Policy
for Work Place Violence and Racial Discrimination. All Reports will be
forwarded to myself for review and be dealt with accordingly. This can
or will lead up to Termination and Criminal Charges on any violators.
The Selection Process has already started with a few members in here by
utilyzing their Information Provided and their Home HTML Connections.

I am Pleased to Provide an Extra layer of Protection on our Dedicated
Employees.
I would like to Thank You for taking out time to read this
Announcement. Have a very Safe Day.

                                                                       
                M. Ward  


All Employees are Required to have your CSX Idetification visable at
all times while on Company Property.

Name: Madman
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 20-30 years
Posted: 22 September 2009

Why dont no one respond to my post? Are you all deaf AND dumb? I see why
nothing on safety gets done on the railroad it is because all you morons
have spikes up your asses just like suckassalot the homo. Don' t waste
any more of my time with your Kaos bullshit or I will find you and
stick creosote up your ass and set your ass on fire.

Name: Madman
E-mail: 
Employed as: M of W, for 20-30 years
Posted: 19 September 2009

HELLO, HELLO! Safety Strike , Nomo & Others ! 

Have you even read what I POSTED! Damn you guys are Ignorant or Blind!


I have said that we do have the right to REFUSE! Any job that can or
will put us in harms way!

We are all Granted this Right under the FRA. Why are we bitching when
there is a route there already!

The Company can not retaliate against you! Once you excercise you right
to Refuse! 

No.1, Document the Situation and have witnesses sign it. If no witness
is there then document it yourself!

Try to Excersise this right with the proper Supervision! If nothing is
done then Report it to the FRA! Point Blank This is our Rights that you
may not know of or the Company hides from you!

I am tired of hearing the Bitching! We have our Rights so let's use
them!
The Company can tell us 1 Thing but it is up to the FRA that throws in
the Final Ruling!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 18 September 2009

HOMOPHOBIC BIGOTRY....

Name: Madman
E-mail: 
Employed as: M of W, for 20-30 years
Posted: 18 September 2009

Hey Suckassalot, The only thing I would like to scream is YOU when I
find out who you are! A Bitch can run but can't hide forever. Your
name will be found out & I will be more than happy to share it here!
Your days are running out you Bitch Ass Homo.

Name: Lord SuckaLot
E-mail: 
Employed as: Corporate office, for 30+ years
Posted: 17 September 2009

Monkey Boys,

Your next assignment: 

 http://www.stinalisa.com/HokeyPokey.html


Love and Kisses,

Lord SuckaLot
CSX Executive Handmaiden to God

Name: Madman
E-mail: 
Employed as: M of W, for 20-30 years
Posted: 17 September 2009

How I would love to drive a spike between the eyes of suckassalot!
There is only word to describe sirsuckassalot & that is 100% LOSER!
Too much time on his hands to be any kind of Employee!

So here is some words of advice you, Monkey!
Sit back & read but don't post you should enjoy it while you choke on
a banana!
Turn red & blue then just Die! You will not be missed at all.

Nobody ever misses an asshole such as yourself! I wonder are you
enjoying yourself or are you really that bored? It's time to seperate
the Idiots from the Men! How could you call yourself a real man, after
all you admit that you are a Flaming Homo! I guess your mother is proud
of her long lost little girl! Now I must admit I was against abortions
but after reading your posts you are mainly 1 that escaped! This
dosen't at all excuse you! Please just let me find out who you are, I
will eventually find out it dosen't take a rocket scientist either. A
Monkey that you are will try to avoid detection after all that's a
Monkey's natural defense. You are definetly overdue for a
confrontation! I don't care what you try to respond back with.

A mind is a shameful thing to waste, but as we can tell your mind is
Gone! Now as for a comeback it is way to late! Once a Retard always a
Retard that there is no if's or but's about it. 

So go Fuck Your own Monkey Ass!
Obey this as if were M. Wards Directive.

Remember Managers like to obey & not to disapoint a Directive, you are
sure a run in a mil along with the other Suck Ups in Management!

Name: Madman
E-mail: 
Employed as: M of W, for 20-30 years
Posted: 14 September 2009

CSX TRANSPORTATION " How We Move to Destroy Jobs and the Work Forces
"


NEW JOB POSTING
CSX HEADQUARTERS 
Jacksonville, FL.

TITLE: HEAD MASTER
SALARY: VARIES $4.50 HR - Access Card Deposited
HOURS: M - F  WITH MADNATORY WEEKENDS.
HOURS: 7A- 3P BUT SUBJECT TO 24 HOUR RULES.

DUTIES: Wipe the Asses of all of Senior Mangement. This includes and is
not limited of using your tounge in place of toilet paper.

Computer skills are not required, a pencil and paper is acceptable
since the price of printer ink is outrageous.

Must be an Alcohol or Narcotics user at all times.
Must at all times think that you are better than all Unionized
Employees.
 

QUALIFICATIONS - Pre School Dropout, No Common Sense, Drools, Basic
Math, 
Writing. RETARDS will Be the first prefence with an additional 5500
Points.
College Degrees will place in last prefence with -2500 Points.


This job was created for a Brown Noser who's Name is suckalot! All
others Need Not Apply.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 20-30 years
Posted: 14 September 2009

Lord suck a lot....a person who thinks he/she is clever, witty, etc.

How sad that one who obviously suffers from Narcissistic Personality
Disorder does not see what a fool he/she is - of course those who
suffer from the disorder never see themselves for what they are.

Lord Suck - you need help.

Name: Madman
E-mail: 
Employed as: M of W, for 20-30 years
Posted: 13 September 2009

My oh my, Suckalot talks alot of shit!
Corporate idiots are chosen and hired by the severity of
retardation,isn't  this correct suckassalot! 

The Corporation seems to be looking for a handout from the Government
point blank.
How much money was wasted to buy Conrail! This was a failure that is
being shoved on the employees by forms of furloghs. Too bad people want
to joke around with somebody's livelyhood.

It does not suprise me that he talks about knob polishing, such a
flaming Homosexual. I bet he's into child porn also. The way he tries
to be creative is a waste of talent that makes it no wonder that he
does work in Corporate. I have to ask that will he e er admit his real
name or is he such a coward and continue to hide and post stupid
comments!

I am not even going to put myself through this Bullshit. I have better
things to do instead of trying to make out his useless comments. Hello
suckassalot, you  must have plenty of time on your hands, I know you
must be Furloghed yourself! The RRB Unemployment sucks dosen't it you
have to sit there and wait for your pay every 2 weeks. The Corporate
side isn't anymore protected than a tick on a dog's ass. 

I have seen Managers come and go for years now and it dosen't bother
me one bit. As  for you a speck in a Corporate world change can happen
over night, in our world we can just bump, transfer etc. and still have
a job. CSX Sucks dosen't it that they hired just to fire you. What a
waste of a college degree just to wind up unemployed. So you can
continue your useless life by posting all the dumb comments you want!
but just remember we are the backbone of this pathetic corporation.


Madman the Enemy of all Corporations

Name: Binheer2long
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 11 September 2009

Lloyd, 

While you are on the union thing, one of my dispatchers told me that
the dispatchers union HQ is moving out of the BLE building in Cleveland
and bought one of there own. Surely the BLE did not kick them out, I
heard they were paying $5000 per month for office space and the
privlege of using the ATDD/BLE logo!

She said this was published this week in the Train Dispatcher rag with
only the usual BS for a reason. 

She went on to inform me that the merge of the ATDA and the BLE was
never formally signed! Then she really blew me away when (Lord
Suck-a-tash will like this one) she said the ATDA boss could, "Suck
start a Harley". 

Any of you Dispatchers out there got any good scuttle on this one?
Hell, we needed the money!

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 11 September 2009

Hey conductor 1-10 don't get your panties in a wad yet, I've got more
comments for the guys in Selkirk.  While I don't think every guy up
there is a complete puss, I think you guys are the ones with the power
to make a stand, not your god damn union.  You think your union will
stand up to the company?  Give me a damn break man!  It takes a group
of people with a common goal to make a statement and you guys failed to
do that.  I'm not putting the blame on the men up there for Jerod's
death but I did challenge you guys to do something about it on this
site and from what I heard little or nothing was done.  You guys had
ample opportunity to call off a day or make it clear to CSX that you
weren't going to stand for anymore of their shit and you all failed. 
Once again, I don't want to shift all blame on everyone because I'm
sure some tried to make a statement.  I guess some men will live there
whole lives being the scared little bitches they are but some of us
have balls.  If my friend was murdered from an act of stupidity by a
supervisor you bet your ass I'd do something about it.  CSX can claim
it was his own fault all day but we all know guys shouldn't be running
remote operations by themselves.  These mother fuckers literally get
away with murder and we all sit idly by and do absolutely nothing and
better yet..our UNIONS do absolutely NOTHING!!  Sorry conductor 1-10,
you hit a nerve with me and until someone takes a stand for what
happened up there, I'll continue to feel the way I do.  Be a fucking
man and make it happen...for Jerod's sake.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 11 September 2009

In response to the comments about union brothers sticking together in
selkirk,We do stick together their,but it was the General Chairman Dick
McVeen who did'nt do shit about anything except sit on his old rotton
ass out in western NY on the local level , they stick together pretty
good any time their is a problem my vice local chairman always returns
their phone calls and at least makes a effort to always help his fellow
union brothers in the yard.Hopefully the general chairman will get voted
out in the future so things mightbe different but until that happens we
have to stick together in the yard.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 11 September 2009

CSX Intermodul is different then the railroad operations. Like NoMo
stated you could go to your local chairmen from the TCU and see about a
leave of absence. I wouldn't go in stating you need it to look for
another job. Tell them you're thinking about going back to school.
Years ago we were allowed to collect unemployment for days not worked.
If we only worked 7 days in two weeks we collected 3 days unemployment
benefits. This was before the railroad an unions negotiated gaurentees
for extra boards. That might be an option to check in to for
supplementing your income. Are you under railroad retirement system or
the state of Florida for unemployment benefits? I've been out of the
Social Security or state unemployment system for so long I haven't a
clue how they work. It seems it would be fair to give someone who is
employed fulltime but because of economic situations not getting at
least 40 hours per week the right to have a supplemental income till
times get better. Are you on call 24/7 or do fill in for shift work?
Just curious about the possibility of a second job.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 10 September 2009

If your furloughed you don't need a leave of absence; if you're not,
have you filled out the appropriate paperwork?

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 1-10 years
Posted: 10 September 2009

Why cant I have a leave of absence to find another job? If work is so
far down, why cant I take 6 months to work full time somewhere else? Oh
and the raise was $.08 A DAY! Thats $.01 an hour!!!!!!!!!!

Name: Sam the Slave
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 08 September 2009

I say screw it all and take a vacation. Life is short. The Selkirks and
Corbins will always be around - dont worry, everytime someone is killed
a vacancy transfer pops up so there will be opportunities to transfer
when you get back from the Bahamas.

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 08 September 2009

Yeah Nomo, those guys in Selkirk really stuck together on that whole
incident with Jerod.  What a fucking joke.  Thats the worst example of
union unity you could come up with.  The guy took a direct order from a
trainmaster that cost him his life and those guys did nothing that I
ever heard about.  Yeah, go to Selkirk where your so called union
brothers hang you out to dry!!

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 08 September 2009

Wasn't Jared Boehlke from Selkirk and a member of Local 212 in Albany,
N.Y.? 

I don't remember reading anything Local 212 did to hold CSX's feet to
the fire except offer platitudes!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 08 September 2009

Hello friends,

I would just like to take this time to wish everyone a Happy Labor
Day!

It's September 7, 2009.....Although I hate to say it, CSX Still SUCKS!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 08 September 2009

Go to Selkirk, the guys stick together!  Selkirk is just about the only
terminal that has a real union theses days.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 07 September 2009

Go for it. If it was me I'd choose Kentucky compared to New York. Cost
of living is less expensive and Corbin sounds like a nice place to
live. There are plenty of outdoor activities in the area.

Name: ME
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 06 September 2009

I got this the other day please tell what should i do??   PERMANENT
TRANSFER TO CORBIN/LOYALL, KY OR SELKIRK, NY

THE COMPANY IS OFFERING TO ALL CSXT TRAIN SERVICE EMPLOYEES WHO ARE IN
ACTIVE SERVICE ON AUGUST 27, 2009, ON THE DATE OF THIS BULLETIN,
(INCLUDING FURLOUGHED STATUS) AT THE ABOVE CSXT LOCATIONS LISTED AN
OPPORTUNITY TO PERMANENTLY TRANSFER TO CORBIN/LOYALL, KY OR SELKIRK,
NY.

VACANCIES BEING FILLED BY THIS TRANSFER NOTICE:

LOCATION              DISTRICT

CORBIN/LOYALL, KY     L&N CONSOLIDATED KENTUCKY
SELKIRK, NY           CR NORTHERN

CONSISTENT WITH THE NEEDS OF SERVICE, CSXT RESERVES THE RIGHT TO
RESTRICT THE LOCATIONS TRAINMEN ARE SELECTED FROM, AND TO LIMIT THE
NUMBER OF TRANSFERS WHICH WILL BE GRANTED. APPLICATIONS WILL BE
ACCEPTED FROM CSXT TRAIN SERVICE EMPLOYEE IN ACTIVE SERVICE (INCLUDING
FURLOUGHED STATUS) FROM ALL LOCATIONS AND FROM THE CLASS OF SERVICE
SPECIFIED.

APPLICANTS MUST BE APPLYING FOR A MOVE OUTSIDE OF THEIR CURRENT
SENIORITY DISTRICT.

APPLICANTS WILL BE SELECTED BY LOCATION IN SENIORITY ORDER.  HOWEVER,
THE CARRIER RESERVES THE RIGHT TO REJECT APPLICANTS IF THEY HAVE ANY
FORMAL DISCIPLINE ASSESSED IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS UNDER EITHER IDPAP OR
THE ABSENTEEISM POLICY.

TRAINMEN WHO ACCEPT THIS OFFER WILL FORFEIT HIS/HER CURRENT SENIORITY
AND WILL CONTINUE AT PRESENT RATE PROGRESSION LEVEL FOR PAY PURPOSES
AND VACATION ENTITLEMENTS ONLY ON THE NEW DISTRICT.

TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF PERMANENT TRANSFER:

1. RELINQUISH ALL OPERATING CRAFT SENIORITY, INCLUDING CONDUCTOR/
   TRAINMEN, ENGINEER/FIREMEN AND YARDMASTER.

2. ESTABLISH TRAINMAN'S SENIORITY AT THE NEW TERRITORY UPON THE FIRST
   DATE OF QUALIFYING ON THE NEW TERRITORY AND AT THE BOTTOM OF THE
   ROSTER AND BEHIND ANY CURRENT TRAINEES.

3. RETAIN YEARS OF SERVICE FOR VACATION ENTITLEMENTS.

4. BE PAID TO QUALIFY ON THE NEW TERRITORY FOR UP TO 30 DAYS.

5. RECEIVE ADDITIONAL COMPENSATION PER THE FOLLOWING SCHEDULE;
     $1,000 UPON PROOF OF ARRIVING AT THE NEW LOCATION
     $2,000 UPON QUALIFYING ON THE NEW TERRITORY
     $4,000 12 MONTHS AFTER QUALIFYING
     $3,000 24 MONTHS AFTER QUALIFYING

6. APPLICANTS SELECTED FOR TRANSFER MUST REMAIN AT THE LOCATION THEY
   ARE CHOSEN FOR, SENIORITY PERMITTING, FOR TWO (2) YEARS.  DURING
THE
   TWO YEAR PERIOD, THE EXERCISING OF SENIORITY TO ANOTHER
CONSOLIDATED
   SENIORITY DISTRICT LOCATION IS ONLY PERMISSIBLE WHEN AN
APPLICANT'S
   SENIORITY DOES NOT PERMIT THEM TO REMAIN EMPLOYED AT THE INITIAL
   SUPPLY POINT.

7. REPORT TO THE NEW LOCATION WITHIN 10 DAYS OF NOTIFICATION.

8. IF A VOLUNTARY SEPARATION PROGRAM IS OFFERED IN YOUR NEW SENIORITY
   DISTRICT AT SOME FUTURE DATE AND YOU REQUEST SEPARATION (AND SUCH
   REQUEST IS ACCEPTED BY THE COMPANY), THE COMPANY MAY DEDUCT ALL
   TRANSFER PAYMENTS RECEIVED UNDER THIS AGREEMENT FROM SUCH FUTURE
   SEPARATION AGREEMENT.

9. BE PROVIDED MEAL ALLOWANCE (NOT TO EXCEED $12.00 PER DAY) AND
   COMPANY PROVIDED LODGING FOR THIRTY (30) DAYS.

10.BE ENTITLED TO CARRIER-PROVIDED LODGING FOR 30 DAYS.  LODGING AT
THE
   AWAY TERMINALS WILL BE PROVIDED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE APPLICABLE
   LABOR AGREEMENT.

NOTE: IN THE EVENT AN EMPLOYEE RECEIVES THE BENEFITS UNDER THIS NOTICE
AND DOES NOT REMAIN AT THE LOCATION TO WHICH HE TRANSFERRED BY HIS OWN
ELECTION FOR A PERIOD OF TWO (2) YEARS, HE WILL BE REQUIRED TO
REIMBURSE THE COMPANY FOR THE MONETARY TRANSFER ALLOWANCES PAID TO HIM.

Name: Lord SuckaLot
E-mail: 
Employed as: Corporate office, for 30+ years
Posted: 06 September 2009

My Dearest Employed in other capacity, for 1-10 years (name withheld for
fear of being persecuted)...

First, let me congratulate you on behalf of CSX Intermodal on a job
well done. Without you hard working stiffs out there humpin those pigs
we here at CSX executive headquarters would have to hire illegal
Mexicans to do your work - so basicly you and others like you saved our
ass from the Feds. For that we would never, ever, persecute you. Trust
me.  

We certainly think highly of you. So high in fact, that we have special
one way tickets for you to see St. Paul at the Pearly Gates. Oh, well
wait a minute...that applies only if you  die on the job, which
probably will eventually happen anyway. 

It is a shame that you have not worked but 40 hours since June 15th,
but we are in a recession in case you haven't heard - not our fault
you cant read. And not our fault you took the job. Bwaaahahahahaha, you
moron. 

Yes, you have to sit around and wait to be called. We Execs call that,
'playin with your pecker time'. That's why we hired you - and why we
picked you cause you were being so good to respond to commands like
"Sit",  "Stay",  "Fetch",  "Roll Over", "bark".  Why else
would anyone be so stupid to work for $14 a hour just to get shit
canned in less than 30 days? Oh come on.  You gotta see the evil humor
in it. We do. 

By the way, do you like bananas?  

If your gross income was $1100, that's $1,100 more than Charles Manson
made sitting in his prison cell.  Think about how lucky you are to have
made ANY money is this rotten economy. And your bitch'n?!?!  Only an
ungrateful bastard would bitch about making money.  Are you one? 

Your pay scale is not a lot lower than everyone else in the company. 
We do have "interns" who work for free at CSX Suck University. If you
any good at sucking, you should enroll. You pay only $5,000 to receive
the best sucking instructions anywhere in the world. We graduate
thousands of ass kissing butt suckers every year, and you could be the
next lucky person to have a career in sucking - like me!  

Oh yes, you may have received 'only' an 8 cent an hour increase last
year, but remember: number '8' is a lucky number.  Not everyone gets
that number.  Your special. Not like a wet back.  Special like a
monkey. Do you like boogers?

We do have a shoe shine opening in the Executive Suite, if your
interested.  There is no pay, but the exposure would do you a world of
good - if you know what I mean. (chuckle). 

In the meantime, have a nice Labor Day, and don't forget to attend our
Party of Turkeys for the Blue Collar Class tomarrow at CSX Headquarters
on Water Street.  

Just ask for Lord SuckaLot at the door - the guard will let you in with
no problem.  

See you there!

Sincerely, 
Lord SuckaLot
CSX Executive Handmaiden to God and Organizer of the 1ST Annual HQ 2009
Blue Collar Turkey n' Beer Party.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 05 September 2009

If you want to push back, you can take up to 30 days after displacement
to mark up. Talk to the GC. After 30 days you are removed from the
roster.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 1-10 years
Posted: 05 September 2009

I currently work for CSX Intermodal - FL ramp.I do not wish to list
which ramp for fear of being persecuted. And I know most of you
transportation/maint. guys dont think very highly of "Us". But the
fact is we are TCU employees and employed by CSX not some contractors
union. I have worked all of about 40 hrs since June 15. So I am
supposed to sit around and wait to be called in to work. Gross income
since June is about $1100. 

Another thing I notice is our pay scale is alot lower than the rest of
the company. We ISW's only $14.24 an hour. When we work. Last year we
received a "Cost of Living" raise that consisted of $.08 A DAY!!!

Name: BoxcarBob @ Dewitt
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 05 September 2009

I am kind of upset that my union is not doing anything about me being
charged with absenteeisn while I am off in dispaced status.  Anita the
truant officer says that if I take my full bump time she can charge my
work record with being absent.

How can I be charged with being absent if I have a contract right to
take the necessary time to make a bump.  Sounds like Anita and her
crowd are pushing the general chairmen right out of business.  I guess
we have to call her instead of the GC when we have a question.  But
then why am I paying those dorks the money for union dues?

Name: Lord SuckaLot
E-mail: 
Employed as: Corporate office, for 30+ years
Posted: 04 September 2009

Dear Mr. Ape Man,
Your invited to the party, too. I know you hairy baboons are
vegetarians and dont eat turkey but we will have plenty of bananas and
boogers to go around, enough for you and all the little monkeys in your
family. Enjoy!

Sincerely, 
Lord SuckaLot
CSX Handmaiden to God

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 04 September 2009

It's September 3, 2009.....and CSX STILL SUCKS!

Name: Lord SuckaLot
E-mail: 
Employed as: Corporate office, for 30+ years
Posted: 03 September 2009

Dear Sarah,

I am very sorry to hear of your sister's predicament that you believe
is caused by CSX. 

I can assure you we are working on the problem.

If you are ever in Jacksonville Florida, please stop in at the CSX
Headquarters on Water Street. If you do happen to make it here be sure
to stop at the guard's station and sign the Guest Register. 

Be sure to ask the guard for me by name:  Lord SuckaLot (Executive
Suite).

I will be more than happy to assist you if at all possible. 

Sincerely,

Lord SuckaLot

Name: sara
E-mail: saradavies17@msn.com
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 30 August 2009

Hi there my name is Sara Davies I have just returned from Lakeland
Florida USA, appalled at the way CSX are KILLING MY YOUNGER SISTER,???
WE NEED HELP, I HAVE THE FILM WORK AND NOTHING HAPPENS, THE NEXT STEP
IS TI SHOW THE WORLD VIA YOU TUBE AND OTHER MEDIA OUTETS.

Name: Steve Gordon
E-mail: sgordon@gordon-elias.com
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 28 August 2009

Dear Sam- 

As a follow up, as I said I would, I emailed the two lawyers on
exposure RT claims and both responded that they have each handled 
cancer and brain tumor type cases from long term exposure to diesel and
other carcinogen cases and would definitely look at taking these type
claims.

I hope that, with the above, all your inquiries have been answered.

Take care,

Steve

Name: sam the slave
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 28 August 2009

I would say attendance would be very poor around cheesy body odor. Some
guys dont shower for weeks and you'd think they were rotting corpses
except for the snoring. Poor attendance there too.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 10-20 years
Posted: 28 August 2009

this site sucks! the people on here are not even talkin' about the
subject of attendence? wake up and look at what you all are talking
about! they have already won!

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 27 August 2009

Hey Jason:

Are body noises the same as farts? 

The noises aren't nearly as disgusting as the aromas!

Name: JASON
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 20-30 years
Posted: 27 August 2009

I am posting this for the new bees who think they have it so tough on
the road, When i first hired in the 70,s we had bunk houses to take
rest at away from home terminals, Most were run by the YMCA ha ha what
a joke that was, A lot of them were set up like army barracks ya know a
bunch of guys sleeping in one big room with only a cloth curtain between
the bunks, The body noises were discusting to say the least, And the
wash rooms were also the same as a army boot camp barracks, 20 sinks in
a row and 20 toliets in a row and a the shower room was the same, 1 big
room with 20 shower heads so we could all see each other naked,, Yea
talk about no personal privacy on the railroad, Well thats how it was
ditto, And yes it sucked, I was the most happy person on the rr when
they closed those discusting filty rat holes and thats what they were
and some did not even have AC..... Yea man good ole railroading at its
best???? I should have slept in a box car, At least i would have had
some privacy.

Name: Steve Gordon
E-mail: sgordon@gordon-elias.com
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 26 August 2009

Name: Sam the Slave
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 25 August 2009

Steve,

What would you classify as a "seriously injured" railroad employee?
(are you including diseases, psyche, toxic chemical exposure?)

Can you give specific examples of particular injuries or cases you
have
in mind?

How does the "loan to seriously injured employees" program work?
(what happens if the firm looses at trial?)

Has your firm had trial experience?  

Thanks. 

Sam
----------------------------

Dear Sam-

Thank you for your questions. I will address each of your questions
individually.

Question:What would you classify as a "seriously injured" railroad
employee?(are you including diseases, psyche, toxic chemical
exposure?)Can you give specific examples of particular injuries or
cases you havein mind?

Answer: Quite frankly all the discussions with the two lawyers as to
the types of injuries have all been involved around orthopedic injuries
in nature and have not involved exposure type situations. After I post
this, I will ask them. However, the types of injuries that have been
discussed, and that I know they have an expertise in, range from disk
herniations to the cervical and/or lumbar spine caused from whole body
vibration (WBV); knee & ankle wear and tear from uneven ballast or
ballast that should be smaller in size rather than larger; shoulder
repetitive trauma seen, for example, in switchmen; and carpal & ulnar
(elbow) tunnel syndrome. By the term "seriously injured", it is meant
that the person cannot return back to his craft.

Question: How does the "loan to seriously injured employees" program
work? (what happens if the firm looses at trial?.

Answer: In some states, it is permissible for an attorney to actually
advance monies to clients while the client's case is pending to pay
"necessaries". Necessaries can mean food, shelter, and other staples.
In these cases, the lawyers sit down with the client and review the
client's bills and there previous income. The advances, in the case of
Gordon & Elias, L.L.P. are mad interest free and without recourse. That
is, if the client does not receive money from the claim, they have no
obligation to pay it back. It is, in essence, considered like all the
other expenses put out in the prosecution of the client's case. There
is no obligation for a lawyer to do this and the hiring of a lawyer
should not be based upon this. It is simply, we believe an added
benefit of being a Gordon & Elias client. If the firm loses at trial,
there is no obligation to pay it back. It is, in the trues sense: "No
recovery....then no fees or expenses are paid".

Question: Has your firm had trial experience? 

Answer: Gordon & Elias has never tried a cumulative case as we have
NEVER taken one and, absent these two lawyers, would not begin now.
Each of these two lawyers have tried cumulative/repetitive trauma
claims in many states and, perhaps more importantly, have successfully
handled and settled MANY cumulative cases. For me personally, I have
only had to try one FELA case to  verdict. As with all personal injury
cases, the key to "winning" is working as hard as one can in the
"discovery" phase of the case to make the railroad (or whoever the
defendant is) believe that, if they go to trial, they will lose and
they will lose significantly. IF there is not a reasonable settlement
offer, then you should go to trial and make sure to show up sober
(Joke!). But, if you work up the case properly, the case should settle.
Remember this- "There's never a horse that's never been rode and
there's never been a man that's never been throwed". Translation= A
reasonable settlement offer should be accepted because you never know
what a jury will do for sure. Lawyers that say they have never lost a
case at trial, simply (1) have not tried a lot of cases or (2) are
lying. I have lost cases I should have won and won cases I should have
lost and all in between.

The issue with cumulative/trauma claims are that the railroads must
take the posture they are BS. Because, if they do not, they are afraid
the floodgates of litigation will overcome them. No question the
railroads have had "personal" knowledge that, for instance, the
engine vibration and the seats cause vibration spinal injuries. The
lawyers we have teamed up with have all they relevant documents to
prove this and they do not have to "re-invent" the wheel as they were
some of the few lawyers that invented the wheel to begin with (at least
as to repetitive claims.

I hope this email answers your questions.

Steve

Name: Steve Gordon
E-mail: sgordon@gordon-elias.com
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 24 August 2009

Dear All- 

I am proud to announce to you that the our firm has partnered with two
totally separate law firms for the sole purpose of handling what is
called repetitive or cumulative trauma [RT FELA Claims] FELA claims.
Historically, the firm of Gordon & Elias, L.L.P., has only allowed
itself to be hired for "one time" FELA traumatic events. This is true
for two reasons: (1) First, we have always thought that, if we cannot do
the best job possible for the injured worker, then we did not want to
allow ourselves to be hired by them. I can tell you the RT FELA claims,
even though they are asserted under FELA, are, in fact, very difficult
to develop and it is required, in our opinion, to have a level of
expertise that we did not have. Some lawyers simply take everything
that walks in the door but in the end that does not, we feel anyway,
benefit the client; and (2) the client gets what we feel is very
important and that is what we call the Gordon & Elias, L.L.P.
experience. Specifically, they get the cell phones of the lawyers that
are handling their claim and, where ethically permitted to do so,
Gordon & Elias advances them money on their case interest free. This is
a very large commitment but, we feel, is a necessary commitment so the
worker can pay their bills during the pendency of the claim. We have
always thought that the most seriously injured claimants want to make a
claim but, because of their economic responsibilities, cannot afford to
do it. 

The two lawyers are in separate areas of the United States and that
means their experience is each limited to specific railroads. The CSX
"expert" is David Lockard and we are exceedingly proud that he has
chosen us to work with. We will work with him in all cases where G&E is
hired and that will provide, in essence, two law firms on the client's
case for the same attorneys' fee as one firm. This, we feel is also a
benefit to the client for many obvious reasons.

There you have it and if someone has any further questions, please feel
free to call me directly at 1-800-773-6770. I hope no one ever needs our
services but, if you do, we would respectfully ask that you at least
give us a chance to explain why we feel we would be your best choice.

Sincerely,

Steve Gordon

Name: Jim
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 23 August 2009

You guys are losers. CSX isn't a bad railroad. Every single company in
the world (including every single railroad) has its mistakes, flaws,
errors, accidents, etc. Why make fun of CSX? They're not bad. If you
want to talk about a bad railroad, talk about Canadian National(CN).
They have derailments almost weekly and have abandoned 3000 miles of
track since 1992. They are also the cause of at least one VIA Rail
accident which claimed 2 lives. CN is the one that sucks, not CSX.

Name: average joe
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 22 August 2009

rrj

i really dont think i am a racist brother i just know that the job
market that i applied in well that town has a collective african
amrican count of 3 in the entire population so yes that is why i said
the things i did 
no i got the job and was never called kinda felt like i was all dressed
up and no where to go you know so no im not racist until it comes to a
large corp. trying to get there affermitave action quetes off of my
small town

all you guys reading black and white know its an insult to us all if a
person gets a job because of their race

black people dont want to pull the race card just niggers
black people have skills and are just as ashamed as thier nigger
counterparts as we white people are of our trailer trash white people

all im say is if there was two white guys in bibs interviewing 400+ 
black men and 2 white men for 2 jobs who do you think they would pick
if you were a black man tryin to get a job in a white town

that is how i felt they i got the congratulations letter lol
well give you a job 
BULLSHIT 
so yes csx does suck 
from tennessee 
all the fuckin way to lakeland florida

Name: Safety Strike
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 August 2009

Labor Day would be the best day to have a Nationwide Safety Strike. 
The Teamsters will join in.  It will be one big Holiday for Labor,  and
scare the crap out of Wall Street. I get goose bumps just thinkn about
it.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 03 August 2009

First off I never post on every section on this website. I'll make an
exception in this case. 

Average Joe

You say you're not racist. You used the "N" word right from the
start. You got hired then got furloughed. Join the club. Just about
everyone who got hired the past year some have been working longer
longer have been furloughed. It's the economy if you couldn't figure
that one out seeing you state you have a college degree. No, instead
you decided to rant and rave about if more blacks were at that hiring
session you wouldn't of got the job. 

I'm going to repeat something no one wants to read. When a lot of us
hired on the railroad we were furloughed at times. Some of us got
furloughed on a regular basis because of seasonal business. Some were
furloughed for years. It's not a new concept that the railroads have
devised like outsourcing and downsizing. It's a matter of waiting your
turn to get enough seniority till you can hold a regular job. Nothing
hidden in it, it's plain and simple. I guess it's a type of weeding
out those who'll stay and be dedicated and those who'll move on. 

All you did was join the pity party club. Those who feel how unfair it
is. Those who wish all those oldheads would retire. Staying on the
railroad is up to the individual either they can handle it or not it
doesn't make a difference to the railroad. Those that are furloughed
the statistics are only 10% will return. Maybe you belong to that club.

Name: average joe
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 02 August 2009

well we all sit back and take it in the ass 
i got a job with csx back in october and still no fuckin job
yeah two niggers interviewed me thank god there were any other brothers
there other than them or i wouldnt have even got the fuckin imaginary
job offer in the first place so here is what i say  fuck affirmative
action and fuck csx 
and all other companies and colleges who discriminate agianst white men
and women
dont act like you dont know
you have all seen it 
i know i come off as racist but i am really not all im sayin is that if
i was a black guy getting the job where i was supp0sed to go to work i
would have my fucking imaginary goddamn house paid for by now i guess
its my college that fuckin holds me back or the fact that my daddy
didnt work for the railroad i dont know
so there 
fuck it most of you all are well 
you knew someone so you got your job and fuck everybody else

Name: Sam the Slave
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 28 July 2009

Employed in other capacity, for 1-10 years.....BRO, you talk'n like a
run away slave.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 1-10 years
Posted: 28 July 2009

I found that the easiest way to combat the railroads attendance policy
was to quit.  Now I get ALL the holidays off, three weeks of vacation,
5 days of bereavement leave, have all my weekends off, only work
between 7am and 4 pm, and I make twice as much anually as I the day I
left the railroad.  The ONLY way to make the railroads change is to
have anyone with any talent and ability to leave the railroad.  Any
thing less is a compromise that the railroad will always win.

Name: whatever
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 30+ years
Posted: 25 July 2009

GET A LIFE YOU KNEW WHEN THEY HIRED YOU THAT YOU WERE ON CALL. SO GET
OVER IT OR GO GET A JOB SOMEWHERE ELSE.  NOONES MAKING YOU STAY.  YOU
NEW HIRES DO NOTHING BUT WHINE ABOUT EVERYTHING.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 24 July 2009

I go back many years.I never worked with any Engineer that was not a
fireman, most came from steam. When I left in 1970 more than 60% of
those Running, and several fixture firemen all came from steam. I made
1 trip with an Apprentice Engineer that was a former Brakeman. He did a
nice job. I know this is a conflicting post, never then 1 but guess
never should change to 1 ????Anyway His Daddy got him on the RR and got
him as 1 of 3 into the apprentice program, and he has since retired from
Engine service, guess it was a good thing.

However he is still pissed with the motorcycle that I sold him in 1969
for $200.00 and Every Engineer was on my ass for selling him a piece of
shit. I did----- Guilty as charged.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 24 July 2009

Union's have changed from being the saving grace for working men to a
bunch of thieves. A Fireman (BLF&E) could not join the BLE until
qualified. A trainman could not join the ORC, However they could leave
the BRT and join the ORCB. There was always a place to send your money.
I ran with Promoted Engineer's that still belonged to the BLF&E, boy
did they catch hell. Just took a few years until they decided to join
them rather than fight them. One really strong Engineer told me he
could fight better from inside than outside?????

Every Asshole on the L&N belonged to the ORC (Order of Railway
Conductor's). The rest belonged to the BRT BLE BLF&E. Just the way it
was back in the day.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 July 2009

The deadline to have been marked up in trainmen service to collect the
$20,000 signing bonus was June 1, 1994. CSX marked up every cut back
trainmen into engine servive on May 30th creating slots on the extra
board or just left them in unassigned statis. After the deadline they
were all cut back to trainmen and denied the money. The UTU went along
with this charade. They never filed any appeal it was obvious that CSX
made this move illegally. 

Goob on this one you're probably right on those who belonged to the
BLE which was a small percentage. Back then people only transferred to
the BLE once they stood to work as engineers permanently. Most of them
were cut back engineers that belonged to the UTU. Something I still
believe that a person should belong to the union that holds the
contract for which they are working in.

Name: New Hire
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 21 July 2009

Hi, Im a new hire and there is nohthing I can do to improve my life i
know that now but so what i make more than a begger so shut up be
thankful you could be a sewar bum on welfare foodstamps like a
deadbeeat be thankful the railrod gives you somehing.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 21 July 2009

im a new hire and went thru the pay scale. everyone is always going to
want more money but quit bitching. there is nothing you can do about
it. just be happy you have a job in times like these.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 21 July 2009

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Perfect example of how union's work! Just like red board insurance.
you pay and they play!!!! I just wonder what would have happened in the
1970's if a promoted (Trainman) Engineer had stayed with the UTU and
paid duel due's. Most likely the same thing. ZERO

Oh by the way there was a time in the 80's when the CSX moved the
flagman to the locomotive, and bought a locomotive to haul all 4 of
them with no Caboose. That was short lived. I would love to see some of
the old Engineers cut back and try to collect. Now that would be a real
life PONY SHOW. Cost hundred's of thousands of dollars telling the big
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Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 18 July 2009

Sam

The UTU didn't have and still doesn't have any thought process the
remote control agreement is a current prime example. In 1986 with the
first crew consist when the caboose was being phased out the only loss
was the flagman. The UTU gaureteed their members they would never sell
out the last brakeman. All it took was 8 years later an offers of a
$20,000 signing bonus plus $23,000 if a person wanted to sell out
their
productivity bonus. That secured it as a done deal. Even though if you
ask any trainmen hired out before 1994 if they voted for it you get
the
same answer no one did. Engineers who went into engine service after
1978 who retained their trainmen seniority filed claims for the
$20,000
signing bonus for the loss of a seniority slot. The UTU changed the
agreement after it's signing by stating that only those marked up as
trainmen were entitled to it. Crooked bastards. Funny part is
engineers
are still on trainmen rosters the kicker is we could still claim the
money if we are ever cut back for at least 60 days. Wouldn't that be
a
kick in the UTU's arse if that ever happened 15 years later. Of
course
we know it never will happen and voluntary flow back doesn't count.

Name: Sam the Slave
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 July 2009

Interesting. Some were caught betwix and between....a trainman applied
for the $20k, was approved, but before approval went into engineer
service, then was told by the carrier that he "missed the deadline'
to receive the $20K (except that he did not miss any deadline - the
Carrier just made up the rule to screw him out of his $20k").

Masta has lots a hidden "rules" when it comes to buyouts and payments
- they comes and they goes at Masta's whim.....

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 18 July 2009

Sam

The UTU didn't have and still doesn't have any thought process the
remote control agreement is a current prime example. In 1986 with the
first crew consist when the caboose was being phased out the only loss
was the flagman. The UTU gaureteed their members they would never sell
out the last brakeman. All it took was 8 years later an offers of a
$20,000 signing bonus plus $23,000 if a person wanted to sell out their
productivity bonus. That secured it as a done deal. Even though if you
ask any trainmen hired out before 1994 if they voted for it you get the
same answer no one did. Engineers who went into engine service after
1978 who retained their trainmen seniority filed claims for the $20,000
signing bonus for the loss of a seniority slot. The UTU changed the
agreement after it's signing by stating that only those marked up as
trainmen were entitled to it. Crooked bastards. Funny part is engineers
are still on trainmen rosters the kicker is we could still claim the
money if we are ever cut back for at least 60 days. Wouldn't that be a
kick in the UTU's arse if that ever happened 15 years later. Of course
we know it never will happen and voluntary flow back doesn't count.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 18 July 2009

A Russell crew working an ID job was 18 min. From being rested and were
called for work. The phone rang again and the called said "sorry I
disturbed your rest.I have to bust your call and start your rest
over!!!" So needless to say 20 hours later they still were not called.
I wonder if the crew caller got 20 hours away from home with no held
away?

Name: Chicken Schitt eXpress
E-mail: Jackschitt@csx.com
Employed as: Train Master/ supervisor, for 30+ years
Posted: 18 July 2009

WHO IS JACK SCHITT?

For some time many of us have wondered just who is Jack Schitt?
We find ourselves at a loss when someone says, 'You don't know Jack
Schitt!'
Well, thanks to my genealogy efforts, you can now respond in an
Intellectual way.

Jack Schitt is the only son of Awe Schitt.

Awe Schitt, the fertilizer magnate, married O. Schitt, the owner of
Needeep N. Schitt, Inc. They had one son, Jack.

In turn, Jack Schitt married Noe Schitt. The deeply religious couple
produced six children: Holie Schitt, Giva Schitt, Fulla Schitt, Bull
Schitt, and the twins Deep Schitt and Dip Schitt.

Against her parents' objections, Deep Schitt married Dumb Schitt, a
high school dropout.

After being married 15 years, Jack and Noe Schitt divorced. Noe Schitt
later married Ted Sherlock, and because her kids were living with them,
she wanted to keep her previous name. She was then known as Noe Schitt
Sherlock.

Meanwhile, Dip Schitt married Lodza Schitt, and they produced a son
with a rather nervous disposition named Chicken Schitt. Two of the
other six children, Fulla Schitt and Giva Schitt, were inseparable
throughout childhood and subsequently married the Happens brothers in a
dual ceremony. The wedding announcement in the newspaper announced the
Schitt-Happens nuptials. The Schitt-Happens children were Dawg, Byrd,
and Horse.

Bull Schitt, the prodigal son, left home to tour the world. He recently
returned from Italy with his new Italian bride, Pisa Schitt.

NOW when someone says, 'You don't know Jack Schitt,' you can correct
them.

Sincerely,
Crock O. Schitt
CEO Chicken Schitt eXpress Railroad

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for N/A
Posted: 18 July 2009

is anyone else pissed about being screw out of 6 on 2 off?

Name: SAm the Slave
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 18 July 2009

RRJ, for once, I totally agree with everything you said. Just think the
Union should have pushed back harder at the time, and structured the
whole thing a whole lot better than they did. They gave up way too much
and gave the carriers way too much mojo in the process.

Name: jdoo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 18 July 2009

I have been with the company just over three yrears been layed off since
Christmas last year. Dont understand why some young conductors are
fussing about the pay rates. In my area no one at 90 percent is even
working. I personaly dont mind working my way to 100 percent.  80
percent pay out here is alot better than 100 percent pay at
mcdonalds!!!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 17 July 2009

Sam

I might of started out at 100% but not as a conductor. I was the lowest
man on the train the brakemen. You worked your way up in seniority to
get that caboose flagmen job then conductor. When I was on the Hocking
Division out of Walbridge it took three years before you would come up
for promotion. My counter-point to anyone complaining about progresive
pay rates is they knew exactly what they were in for when they hired
out. How can anyone complain about it now? That's crying over spilled
milk. They are not part of my generation of railroader. When I hired
out oldheads had agreements we weren't entitled to like the old PM
agreements out of Walbridge. These guys made a schidt load of money.
What I never had never bothered me. Oldheads have gone through a lot of
changes over the past 25 years we lost overmiles when it went from 100
mile basic day to 130, ITD/FTD which was changed to trip rates to
pacify those not covered under it ect...Those under progressive pay
rates have lost nothing in fact they increase every year by 5%. I
don't like the system it was a UTU agreement that radically changed
the railroad by sacrificing a job the brakemen.

Name: Sam the Slave
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 17 July 2009

Actually, my fellow whitey pickaninnies, I think Conductor NA is pulling
your slave chains. In a rather neurotic way, he (or she?) is making an
interesting, although slightly bizarre, arguement.  

When I hired out pay for new hires was at parity - everyone made 100%
of pay grade. No one made 80% of pay. EVERYONE made 100%. Everyone got
the same pay increases. 

The old heads at that time DID gripe about wage parity  - they wanted
to be at a higher pay scale than new hires, and who could blame them?
They had the experience and knowledge - we didn't. 

So, the Carriers - in their usual and customary unethically cunning
ways -  decide to capitalize on perceived friction in the ranks, and
LOWERED the pay grade for new hires, whereas the Union should have
bargained for an INCREASE in pay for workers with more experience and
seniority. Instead they took the low road, and now we have neurotic
trainmen working amoung us. 

Unions were no better.  In allowing the 20% pay differiental for new
hires, they drove a wedge between themselves and new hire participation
in the Union. When the new pay grades went into effect I can distinctly
remember a raging discussion about blow back. So, no suprise someone
like Conductor NA is lurking out there ready to pounce like a wounded
lion.    

Looks like Masta succeeded into brainwashing Conductor N/a into
believing he (or she) is one of the four whitey horsemen of the
apocalypse hell bent on destroying railroad pensions as a personal
vindication for wrongs commited against virgin newbies.  

Hey, its the railroad - largest outdoor insane asylum in the world.  
What's not to like?

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 17 July 2009

Hey Z:

Just for the sake of the argument...what if CSX could and did cut your
pension payments...what do you suppose would happen to the new hires
pension payments in 30 or 40 years, assuming of course they last that
long?

Excuse me while I refresh my toddy...

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 17 July 2009

You haven't goy a clue. Nobody voted to reduce your pay.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for N/A
Posted: 17 July 2009

you old heads screw us when you voted to decrease our pay this one for a
new clerk job

Pay Rate 

Entry Rate $148.29/day*
Full Rate $174.46/day*
*varies by location/assignment  

you screw us so we take your pension to make the difference. we get
gipped you get gipped fair is fair buttholes

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for N/A
Posted: 17 July 2009

no time to write here i have yard shift now unlike you free loaders
whine about layoff go get a job on a garbage truck dumbo an next time i
see my lc it will be for 20% wage increase from old heads pension plans
see what good the goose is good for a gander lots of bald head fat
whiners boohoo unfair crybabies need ther mommies yo9u dont scare me
bite me dogmeat old heads jump off a bridge do us new guys a favor. my
trainmaster loves me i do the work of 10 old farts so stuff it have a
heart atatack an die i will piss on your grave an if you dont like it
get out now ha ha i gonna have your job ape man so kiss my ass an z llj
shine my knob if you can still see old guys or just gum it an choke haha
old stupid toothless fat boys go take meds and shut up befor your hoe
slaps the crap out you

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 17 July 2009

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for N/A
Posted: 14 July 2009

RRJ is an old head and is telling new hires they spent too much on
your
new truck or suv so need i say more? 30 years out of touch and he did
not have to work at 80% of wage but oh that is different but i call it
the old eating the young you are so out of touch with what new hires
have to go through so i cant wait till the company offers new hires a
big fat pay increase to full pay in exchange for slashing pension
payouts to retirees they got my vote besides retirees can live on 20%
less right? just dont buy medicine you dont need anyway cut down on
the
food and beer and loose some weight so many old head are fatter than
cows and sell the vehicle you dont need to drive you cant see anyway
and take the bus and move into a trailer park  where you seem to like
better anyway and have yourself a great golden years.  with my extra
20% i will buy your car at auction and your house at the forclosure
sale cause you overspent xtravengently irresponsble ha ha not so funny
is it.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Good Lord help us from the above post.
Life Guard at the gene pool was on break again. Who in heck is
recruiting to get this piece of shit.....Guess you folks will get to
meet him/she/ on your next extra board trip. Dam that would even make
me an asshole. fuc--r would ride outside, and never blink an eye. Every
time he rested his Eyes I would stop.....They be gone real quick not 10
years later when they have a bunch of bud's. Instant!!!

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 16 July 2009

You don't have a clue. The future old head talking. Maybe your next LC.
Woe to the labor movement in this country with guys like this.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for N/A
Posted: 16 July 2009

you out of work tool an die an your on here bitching. sounds like a
bitch complaining to me. go get a job an stop bitching i still work
here an you aint. MacDonald's is hirin or you too proud mr tool an die
journeyman there is plenty of jobs out there if you want one

Name: Z
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Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 16 July 2009

Name: 
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Employed as: Conductor, for N/A
Posted: 16 July 2009

see what i mean take some from the pension fund add to wages and old
farts scream dirty. you can always quit. ha ha.

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No one screamed dirty, we were shaking our head, trying to understand
were you got that big brain of yours. Your statement really isn't
worth a reply. You haven't a clue. Looks like one slipped through he
cracks when you were hired.

Name: Z
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Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 16 July 2009

You don't have a clue. I think I would quit embarrassing myself if I
were you, with your lack of understanding.

Name: 
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Employed as: Conductor, for N/A
Posted: 16 July 2009

see what i mean take some from the pension fund add to wages and old
farts scream dirty. you can always quit. ha ha.

Name: RRJ
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Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 16 July 2009

Pop's

I shouldn't of even answered such a nincompoop as Cond N/A. His
idiotic childish responses weren't worth trying to educate. The poor
poor me syndrome of feeling he's entitled to having everything now is
just immature bantering. 

The days of respecting oldheads and wanting to learn from them is still
around there are a lot of good people who have hired out over the past
1-3 years during the hiring blitz. The difficult part is we have some
who need to be carried on others backs for they'll always be lost an
in todays railroad that's not possible. Engineers had always trained
the new hire trainmen (head brakeman) when we had full crews. That's
impossible today when it's the conductor sitting across from us it
makes our job difficult. A lot of times we're working industries that
they might of been in once or twice during training. CSX refuses pilots
when their requested. When a conductor tells me he hasn't been in an
industry for quite a while and never actually worked it by themselves
that's an uncomfortable feeling. When they state they "think" they
can do it that sends up red flags. There is no guessing out here either
you know it or you don't.

sonny

Name: 
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Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for 30+ years
Posted: 15 July 2009

so young...so dumb...

Name: Z
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Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 15 July 2009

You haven't a clue.

Name: 
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Employed as: Conductor, for N/A
Posted: 15 July 2009

I Vote for 20% pension benefit payment cuts and 20% increase in new hire
wages and do it now so save your jobs and your family and I hope csx
reading this you have my vote for wage increase and pension cuts we
need money now not 30 years from now.

Name: htlong
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Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 15 July 2009

wow !!!!!!
after reading that spoiled rotten little noname conductors rant about
how tuff it is only making 80% I almost wish I could come back just to
work with him.......ALMOST  I can promise he would be spending his 80%
on new boots monthly !   Oh crap I saw one sparking abot 80 cars
back....he would be to tired to bitch,and I wouldnt allow him to sleep
either...all in all he would be wishing he kept his job at McDonalds 
would you like fries???
I'll see yall next week when I log on to csx sux again!!
p.s.could this guy be my ole buddy plug doors son????
give em hell sonny!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Name: Z
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Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 15 July 2009

Ill bet my next pay day I'll never pound slag. Your statement is stupid
to start with. Those jobs would have been trainmen jobs as you were
promoted to engineer. Now your stuck pounding slag for your next 40
years.

Name: 
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Employed as: Brakeman, for N/A
Posted: 15 July 2009

Even a lowly brakeman can qualify to operate a remote so wont be long
before yard jockeys will be pounding slag wise guy. 

  http://www.ble.org/pr/news/headline.asp?id=7573

Name: Sam the Slave
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Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 15 July 2009

Chicken pecker, is that you?  Didn't you succumb to Big Fatty, mark off
for Union business,  and float away to la-la land?

Name: Z
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Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 15 July 2009

Why, after 35 years the railroad Dick has been welded permanently to my
anus so every time I sit down I get to remember what a thrill it is to
have worked here.
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I think you meant 35 months, at best. Now go pound that slag brakey.

Name: SAm the Slave
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Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 14 July 2009

AS an old head I agree with the majority. That kid needs to experience
what us old heads have had to deal with. Divorce, divorce and more
divorce, alcoholism, violence, psychosis, bankruptcy, furloughs in
perpetuity, missing toes and fingers, sleepless nights, bump-a-rama,
trainmasters from hell,  and a whole lot more. The fun is just
beginning for you laddy.  Why, after 35 years the railroad Dick has
been welded permanently to my anus so every time I sit down I get to
remember what a thrill it is to have worked here.  I earned that Dick
and I intend on keeping it by God.  You'll grow to like it too, sonny
boy. It'll put hair on your chest and a bowl beans on the table. What
more to life is there?  Flat screen TV, Monday Night Football and a
nightly six pack of Bud. Its heaven. So quit thinking about Ipods, hot
rods n' bods. That stuff will rot your brain.    

Go getch you a degree boy, Corporate Dick jobs are  much better than
Union Dick jobs and you dont have to swallow every time you give old
heads. I had nothing to do with the 80% screw job you got, but the
Union sure did - I know cause we all voted for it, you  dill weed.
Lastly, the company can have 20% of my pension - I'll never live to
see a penny of it anyway (brain cancer).  

Buck up or get out. Its the railroad way, so get use to it boy.
We did and we love it. Now get away from me, I am going to be retiring
soon anyway, which reminds me of a poem my old head mentor told me
about married life on the railroad - 

He grabbed me by my slender throat
and held me strong and tight
I could not call or scream
then he dragged me to his dark and dingy room
where he tore away my flimsy wraps
and stared at my naked form
He wanted what was mine
a virgin o' so fine

I was scared and cold and damp
while he was hot and warm
he forced his feverish lips to mine
I could not struggle anymore
then he drained me of myself
I could not make him stop.

He made me what I am today,
and that is how you find me here, 
laying lifeless on the roadside, 
an empty naked bottle 
once full of tasty beer.

Name: NoMo
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Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 14 July 2009

Hey Z:

Yes you're right, Hired in '01...fired  in '06. Worked in Gentilly
(New Orleans); Sibert (Mobile); Golding(Pensacola), PA, PD, M&M, NO&M.

Frankly, I was never paid what I thought I was worth...I always made 
enough to pay my bills though.

These New Hires have no idea what bills are...

RRJ is right, new F150's, Z71's, I Phones and houses more than they
can afford, credit cards with unjustifiable credit limits...

20 year old kids that will not, or don't want a life...

The lure of big money on the RR is like a whore, if you're willing to
pay, you can play...a hard Dick has no conscience...we have all been
there...let's see how much money I can actually earn...

The result is ruined relationships...broken families...and death.

I worked with a diverse group, all of whom I considered friends...with
the exception of one or two, I don't talk to anyone. 
Such is life...So when they start moanin', I start gronin'...If they
don't like the hand they were dealt...fold and get a life. It was
their choice to skip a higher education and go to work for the RR.

What's ironic about all this is...in a blink of an eye, they'll be
our age...and wish they had put that extra $150 into their IRA instead
of that new F150.

Save your breath...we're talking to brick walls!

Name: Z
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Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 14 July 2009

My neighbor sells flowers at a freeway exit and makes more than most new
hires.
....................................................................

Are there any more freeway exits in your town? Maybe you can change
your occupation to increase your standard of living.

NoMo, I believe you were classified as a new hire with a family.
Am I correct? Now I don't agree with the 80 percent pay for new hires,
but I had no control over that situation nor did RRJ. Someone would need
to talk to the good old UTU about that, of which I have never been a
member. One lesson I learned in life is, it's not what you make, but
how you manage it. If I don't like what I make, I won't bitch about
it, I will change it.

Name: RRJ
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Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 14 July 2009

Hey dipschidt. You shouldn't talk about pensions if you make it on the
railroad which is questionable that's your pension your talking
foolishly about slashing which no person, union, or railroad can do
single handedly seeing it's run by the federal goverment. Secondly I
never voted for any progressive style pay rates for new hires that was
a UTU deal in 1994. I've been a member of the BLE since 1980. You are
a blind fool. Definitely a product of the "Y" generation. "Y" do
all the oldheads has the good jobs? "Y" "Y" "Y"?????? Boo Hoo
sniff sniff!!!! Cry baby.

Name: RRJ
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Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 14 July 2009

You're a fool. Your envy of oldheads is clouding your thought process.
Do you really think we got hired and walked into a cushy job? It takes
years to establish yourself in any occupation. A lot of us had to
relocate in our early years leave family and fiends to work for the
railroad. A lot of us lost homes, cars, got so far behind in debt it
took a lot of time to get out of it because of years of being
furloughed. If we're at that point in life we finally see light at the
end of the tunnel then we earned every bit of it. You know nothing. I
see people bitching and complaining over being bounced around. With a
little motivation they could hold a high paying ID run 184 miles away
because 51% of those jobs belong to the consolidated roster they are
on. Which means if a 30 year person on trainmen consolidated Dist #2 is
holding a trainmen consolidated Dist #1 job that newbie can bump him. If
a person decides to not utilize working away from home then it's their
own fault. If they stayed up there permanently by moving when it's
time for engine service then engineers fall under the same consolidated
roster no need to move back to their original home terminal. We had
around 30-40 temporary transfers last year working in my area some for
a year or more. They were offered permanent jobs a small percentage
stayed most went back only to be furloughed. That's an individual
choice. Quit your bullschidt blaming those of us who have struggled for
years to get to where we are at it shows your ignorance.

Name: 
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Employed as: Conductor, for N/A
Posted: 14 July 2009

RRJ is an old head and is telling new hires they spent too much on your
new truck or suv so need i say more? 30 years out of touch and he did
not have to work at 80% of wage but oh that is different but i call it
the old eating the young you are so out of touch with what new hires
have to go through so i cant wait till the company offers new hires a
big fat pay increase to full pay in exchange for slashing pension
payouts to retirees they got my vote besides retirees can live on 20%
less right? just dont buy medicine you dont need anyway cut down on the
food and beer and loose some weight so many old head are fatter than
cows and sell the vehicle you dont need to drive you cant see anyway
and take the bus and move into a trailer park  where you seem to like
better anyway and have yourself a great golden years.  with my extra
20% i will buy your car at auction and your house at the forclosure
sale cause you overspent xtravengently irresponsble ha ha not so funny
is it.

Name: RRJ
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Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 13 July 2009

Some newbies might live at home with the folks. If the last poster
thinks their not making good wages then explain the first thing they do
is purchase new vehicles we're talking new Ford F150's, new SUV's
ect...not all you definitely can tell the ones who have a family to
support. The railroads has always been determined on how aggressive a
person is in their work ethics. Working a regular yard remote job 5
days a week at 80% might not pay much. Working the yard or road extra
board pays pretty good they just have to stay marked up. Nothings
changed since I hired out in the '70s other than x-boards have a
gaurentee. You made money while you could next half on the board you
might not of made anything. It was feast or famine. I see those with
1-3 years on the railroad in my area doing good even at the progressive
pay rates. You don't think in the early years we had to have roommates
to share expensises? If we wanted to have a life while we were young we
certianly did. Oldheads don't understand. What a crock of
bullschidt!!!!

Name: 
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Employed as: Conductor, for N/A
Posted: 13 July 2009

earlier post NoMo wrote  
"now even at the entry rate, the RR's pay a livable wage, maybe not
what it should be but still better than most. Regardless of their wage
most every one else seems to survive, some on a lot less money and
hours"
 
you do not know what you are talking about just ask a new hire they do
not make enough to pay for monthly bills unless they live at home with
mom and i do not know of any.
.   

new hires make 80% of normal wages then subtract taxes pension payments
union dues medical deductions pay for commuting gas and a car eat lunch
then you dont make shit let alone a "livable wage" and i still see
conductors living in a dump trailer, sleep with cockroaches and rent
out the living room couch just so they can make lot rent. My neighbor
sells flowers at a freeway exit and makes more than most new hires.
nobody i know works a "normal" 40 hour week  and i know old guys who
have to work a second 8 hour job just to make ends meet and put food on
the table and it is not because of other "issues" it is just to care
for their families other than put them in a sewer hole.  Livable wage?
Maybe if you are a Chinese illegal use to working for coolie wages so
maybe some of you old heads make a so called livable wage which only
goes to show you how out of touch the old guys are with the new hires
when it comes to comment like that.   

FRA shortened work hours, so now they need to INCREASE the wages, NOT
DECREASE the wages. of course the old heads dont want to rock the boat
so the union will let the carrier screw us again and the new hires will
take it in the ass again.      

When the carriers dump the pension plan for present and past old heads
and cut pension payouts  by 50%, buck up an deal with it or go get a
job as a WalMart greeter cause they pay a livable wage too Good luck
how is that for being a corporate schmuck.  50% penions benefit cut
retroactive to 2007 they will be billing you for the overpayment so
buck up and deal with it or quit its a free world you can do what you
want just dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Name: David
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Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 13 July 2009

Anyone heard anything about CN buying the Nashville division by
September or October? Lets pray shall we.

Name: 
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Employed as: Conductor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 13 July 2009

CSX is a joke! I would be ashamed to be an trainmaster! You have no
ethics or morals! How do you look at yourself in the mirror? How do you
sleep at night? Remember this what comes around goes around!

Name: NoMo
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Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 12 July 2009

In regard to the new HOS law taking effect on the 16Th...

The average work week for most is 40+/- hours, consisting of five 8
hour days or 168 hours a month and 2080 hours a year.

Now the FRA wants to limit you to 276 hours a month or, based on a 30
day month, 3312 hours a year. Whereas before you could only work
12 hours a day or, based on a 30 day month, 4320 hours a year.

Now even at the entry rate, the RR's pay a livable wage, maybe not
what it should be but still better than most. Regardless of their wage
most every one else seems to survive, some on a lot less money and
hours.

I ran the road long enough to understand the fatigue issue, because
of the hours it's impossible to be bright eyed and bushy tailed all
the time...that's why a 2 man crew is important, or simply mark off.

There are 2 classes of service, road and yard...money or normalcy,
depending on your seniority and supply point you might be able to work
either, if you can't, lump it or leave it.

I digress though...the HOS law is the non issue, every one on the RR
should be able to survive quite nicely on a 168 hour month and live
well with a moderate amount of O/T of 15-20 hours a month...if you
can't there are other issues. 

Fatigue, call times, meal allowances and away from home accommodations
are contract issues as is the Carriers' complaint of June 29Th and
have nothing to do with the HOS law. The L&N agreement I worked under
has a mileage component, as I'm sure many of the other agreements do.
I don't recall exactly what it was, maybe 2100 miles a month. One
round trip to New Orleans was 272 miles or about 8 trips a month or 16
days a month. I have never seen the union, carrier or employee enforce
it. If the union did, they would have twice the membership, if the
carrier did, they'd have twice the employees and if the employee did,
they wouldn't be fatigued and only have half the money. I guess
that's another one you can mark up to the guaranteed extra boards!

Can you see a common thread here...seems to me there should be plenty
of talking points come section 6 time including guaranteed extra
boards!

Name: Tank
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Employed as: Car repair, for 20-30 years
Posted: 11 July 2009

I have never been a brakeman or engineer, but seems to me Lloyd speaks
the truth from his experience and he has a right to be mad as hell. The
hours put in by the freight crews are ungodly and Sam got it right see
what part of slavery is illegal do the CSX bosses do not understand
because this shit did not just happen overnight and its not like the
Unions can say they was suprised or too complicated or whatever to make
right. Lloyd might be one guy but you know his voice is the same voices
of thousands of union guys who work these back breakin human killer
hours and i will tell you blunt CSX go ahead and fuck us with your
kangaroo courts  and we will shut these god damn railroads down.

Name: Lloyd
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Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 11 July 2009

They could have done a lot of things different as far as our fatigue
goes.  I don't know how many times I've been between 1 and 3 times
out and I couldn't get to sleep because I was afraid I might miss the
call from being so damn tired.  You know the sleep you get in where the
phone call you get from CSX is actually a phone call you get in the
dream you are having?  Working long hours isn't bad until you do it 4
or 5 trips in a row and can't sleep one night in one of those 5 star
stays we always get away from home terminal.  It just amazes me with as
much profit as these idiots rake in they have the nerve to try and cut
our wages.  I don't think working 3 hours a day should pay a man over
200 dollars either but I also don't think the guy who works 9 or 10
should get shit on because of that.  Seems like they are trying to find
excuses to short us any way they can and I'm fucking tired of it.  When
Michael Ward decides he'll only work for 100,000 a year Ill take a god
damn pay cut.

Name: Sam the Slave
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Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 11 July 2009

Well Tank, I can't leave this board - you would have no other way to
obtain well reasoned intelligent versatile opinion versus opinion from
zoned out fatties.  

The Carriers should not win their wage case. Not in a million years.
However, they are in Ft. Worth, backyard Corporate home of the BNSF, so
anything is possible - particularly when it comes to screwing the
Unions. 

Forgive me for being critical, but if our Union lawyers had studied
their Civil Procedure, they would have moved jurisdiction to D.C., and
counter claimed with a truck load of issues - including the issue of
pay for 24/7 on call time, which is inextricably intertwined with
wages, hours, and safety.  I realize that approach is a little more
complex than z's thinly cut sausage approach, but that's how you set
the carriers back on their heels and start winning issues and
grievances.  You dont play their game. You force them to play yours. 

As it is, the Carriers have the game down pat:  Hit the ball, drag the
Unions.  Hit the ball, drag the unions. 

Well my friend, Masta is calling now......gotta go now and stick my
nose in some Union business where some say it does not belong.

Name: 
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Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 11 July 2009

http://www.utu.org/worksite/detail_news.cfm?ArticleID=47954

Name: Z
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Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 11 July 2009

Lloyd, all the math has been done along time ago. Why the 276 was put in
is beyond me. With mandatory 10 undisturbed rest and 48 off after 6 or
72 after 7 it is virtually impossible to cap out the 276. The law was
badly written from the start. Although rest needed to be addressed, we
again have people enacting laws that don't have a clue because they
have never worked the shifts we have. The input from the Unions with
their bull shit survey is inaccurate also. The UTU insisted on the 276
hour cap. If they had even taken time to do the numbers they should
have seen 276 hours can hardly ever be met with the other stipulations
of the law. The ones in the unions giving input have been use to
jocking behind a desk for years, 8/5 Monday through Friday. They have
forgotten how it feels to sit 1st out on a extra board 36 hours, go to
bed after being up 18 hours only to have your phone ring ten minutes
after laying your head down. The law was written out of a rash of
accidents and the Feds. felt a need to get a bill through in a hurry.
It should have been thought out to insure proper rest, instead of
written merely to get a law on the books.
The Unions put in their unknowing 2 cents into the bill and now we end
up screwed again. Circadian Rhythm or the body clock, documented sleep
information and rest cycles were not used in passing the law. The only
thing that was used is what a politician thought we needed.

How about just saying if I'm unrested I can lay off fatigue, with no
questions asked by the company. How about if (and I don't ) work a
extra board and I'm 1st out for 18 hours after my rest is up from a
previous shift, I rotate to the bottom of the board because I probably
am not rested. How about the railroads learn how to give a proper line
up and 12 hours notice of call. Working nights doesn't kill us, not
knowing when to be rested does. As far as I'm concerned nothing needed
to be changed except, give me the right to lay off fatigue 2 or 3 times
a month. 

Now the carriers want to cut our pay, ask the court to rule it as a
minor dispute and we are screwed by them, the feds. and the unions.
There was a definite need for a bill to give us rest but like so many
times before, we take it in the ass, because someone that didn't have
a clue wrote it. By being required to take rest and 48 off after 6
days, who didn't know the RR's weren't going to cut our pay, except
Sam. He wants to push it another step, before this fuck up is fixed. 

RRJ's quote by E.Dole is how so many people look at it. They don't
have any comprehension of our job. Well I've got to go. I have a load
of dirt to dump.

Name: Lloyd
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Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 11 July 2009

So let me get this straight Z so I don't have a misunderstanding of
what I just read.  The carriers want to decrease our wages because we
can "only" work 276 hours a month?  Has anyone actually divided 276
by an average 30 day work month to see the answer?  Well, in case you
haven't I'll be the first to point out that equals to 9.2 hours a day
if you worked EVERY day of that month.  Now, lets put into perspective
that most get at least one day off a week so lets do the math again at
276 divided by 26.  That comes out to be 10.6 hours a day 26 days out
of the month with one day off a week.   Hmmmmm...who else works those
kind of hours besides guys like us, the military, or the police or
fireman?  I seriously doubt anyone unless they have a hard on for their
job.  So because we might only be working an average 10 hour day 6 days
a week the carriers want to get greedy and cry like the little bitches
they are.  The FRA tries to step in and help out the worker fatigue and
we are going to get fucked in the process if our unions don't man up? 
Should have known we wouldn't come out ahead on this issue either
unless our unions finally grow a fucking pair.

Name: RRJ
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Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 10 July 2009

Z

The easy way out for some on here is to say we're antiquated. We are
happy with the way things have been. They haven't been through the
past 27 years to see the AAR and goverment cut our pay and benefits.
How much we've lost like pushing the basic day from 100 miles to 130
miles, ITD/FTD, paying a portion of health coverage when back in the
'90s we tryed to protect it with lower pay raises, it took us years to
get PL days compared to the UTU because we went on strike in 1982
ect...a lot of times the BLE pushed it we ended up in a PEB and the
consequences weren't favorable. Let's take Elizabeth Dole Sec of
Labor under Raygun who stated "we were just glorified dump truck
drivers". The odds were stacked against us. In a perfect union
scenario I'd love to see a good old fashion strike. It takes years
under the RLA to get to that point that has always been the biggest
obstacle. At one time work rules were cast in stone unchangable till
the next round of negotiations not so today there changed at the
carriers whim. A lot of oldheads beyond what some think on here have
thrown in the towel. We aren't happy we just know it'll take a
miracle to place the unions back to the level they once had to protect
their members and future generations.

Name: Z
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Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 10 July 2009

It was only a matter of time before the carriers asked for wages
regarding the new FRA rest rules. 


U.S. CLASS IS ASK FEDERAL COURT TO REQUIRE UTU, BLET ARBITRATE
DISPUTES
John D. Boyd / Jul 2, 2009 7:30PM GMT
The Journal of Commerce Online - News Story
An impending cap on hours worked by train crews has major U.S.
railroads wanting to alter pay agreements to reflect the curbs, and
they have asked a federal court to quickly step in.

It boils down to carriers trying to curb pay when new rules mean
workers might not be available as often, while unions want to protect
current pay levels even if the law constricts their actual working
time.

The changes in the work-hour rules were meant to help
safety-threatening fatigue in train crews who often put in long hours
after they report to work, counting time spent waiting or in transit to
their trains, train operation time and then sometimes additional “limbo
time” waiting for replacement crews after they reach their federal
operating limits and the trip back to their cars so they could go
home.

The new rules, which take effect July 16, would cap rail worker time in
several ways – at 276 hours per calendar month, 12 hours a day and no
more than six or seven consecutive days depending on the intervening
time off. The new law also eliminates limbo time, instead counting a
worker on duty between the time he or she clocks in at the assembly
point and returns back there at the end of a shift.

Those workers are paid under complex contract terms that factor in
seniority, whether this is a regularly assigned job or labor pulls for
as-needed train runs or to fill vacancies.

But since the hours law changes mean carriers could not keep workers on
duty as long or slot them for assignments with the same availability as
in the past, railroads and union officials have been negotiating since
the Rail Safety Improvement Act of 2008 was passed last fall over how
that affects existing contracts for how to pay workers.

All five Class I freight carriers filed a complaint June 29 in Fort
Worth, Texas, against the United Transportation Union that represents
train conductors and some other workers, and against the Brotherhood of
Locomotive Engineers.

The railroads said they intend to implement the array of
hours-of-service changes by July 16, as required under the RSIA. But
they say unions have not negotiated contract changes in pay the
carriers want to make, and “have refused to agree to arbitration” of
those issues.

“The carriers contend they are under no obligation, under the (labor
contract) agreements, to increase pay to ensure that such employees
continue to receive the same total compensation despite working less
than prior to the implementation of the RSIA changes,” the railroads
said in their court filing.

They asked the court to find that the unions must negotiate the
hours-related disputes, and send any of them that are unresolved on
July 16 to arbitration.

Unions have not yet filed a response, but they are fighting back. UTU
International President Malcolm Futhey, in a statement on the UTU Web
site criticized the suit as “the carriers' attempt to put the entire
burden of the new hours-of-service limitations on the backs and
pocketbooks of their employees."

While this dispute may end soon, it could raise tensions around the
bargaining table when railroads and unions begin negotiating their next
multi-year contracts later this year.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Engine repair, for 30+ years
Posted: 10 July 2009

The hours of service act should read as follows:
When called on duty after
6:00 AM until 10:00 AM
- 10 - Hours on duty is the maximum that can be worked.
When called on duty after
10:00 AM until 4:00 PM
- 8 - Hours on duty is the maximum that can be worked.
When called on duty after
4:00 PM until 6:00 AM
- 6 - Hours on duty is the maximum that can be worked.
Ten hours off minimum after a tour of duty regardless of how long on
duty.
How the contract should read
When called on duty between the hours of 6:00 AM to 10:00 AM
Engineers will be paid at the rate of $50.00 per hour
When called on duty between the hours 10:00 AM and 4:00 PM
Engineer’s time on duty after 6:00 PM will be paid at time and a half
When called on duty after 4:00 PM
Engineers will be paid double time.
Any engineer that works for a railroad that works a 24/7 clock can lay
off account fatigue at any time; because safety is the first order of
business.
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Your not the first one that wants to change the shitty hours. RRJ knows
where the above came from. Most of us would like to see things change,
but it isn't easily done as you say. The above is a thought from
another engineer on how things should work. There are many different
ways as far as I'm concerned. Get the carriers to agree. Like I said
they are going to try and cut your pay. Check out my next post.

Name: Tank
E-mail: 
Employed as: Car repair, for 20-30 years
Posted: 10 July 2009

Well Sam the Slave looks like you aint gettin no help on this board. You
have some good suggestions like getting paid for human killer on call
hours like the prior post said their are windows and 8 hour payouts
that would work but the old heads never want to change anything cause
anthing that is a change in the way they done things for the last 100
years they think is gonna rock their boat and they own the union so
nothing ever changes except the company screws us to death with every
new contract and which is why old guys like z and rrj blast away at
anything in the way of improvements suggested by anyone except their
own, which are not really changes but stupid reasons why they aint
going to change anything ever. all they do is report on how we are all
getting nailed but they never suggest anyting positive and give any
solutions. its always impossible, or the way it is, or there is no
hope, or they dont care cause they retire in a year or two anyway. what
a crock of cop out crap.  not many young guys post on this site and
neither do they attend union meetings and now you know why - the old
heads crap all over them and their ideas they just want to retire and
they dont care about anyting else. pretty sad if you ask me. spend you
time somewhere else dude you are wasting ability on here.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 10 July 2009

Name: Sam the Slave
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 09 July 2009

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 08 July 2009

Simple cure for the 24/7 on call human killer.
3 Seniority call blocks per day. 8 hour window call or pay.
 Employee must be rested before the call window, and is realeased and
paid if not called. Employee bid's on window 1 2 or 3 and is
assigned.

NO EXTRA BOARD. Road return trip's would be first in first out. Then
back to the assigned window.
*******************************************************************

See guys, changing the 24/7 on call rule so that we get PAID would be
pretty simple. 

Now, why didn't our illustrious union think of that? Hmmmmm. 

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Yep, about as simple as the theory of relativity. I painted you just a
little picture a few post down. You said see guys changing the rule
would be pretty simple. How could you come to that conclusion? The men
and union thought of it years ago. Are you going to wave your hand and
it's done. Look for a pay cut if you look for anything. Guess what,
the carriers are asking for a minor dispute ruling in the HOS ruling.
No strike if they get it.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 10 July 2009

Name: SAm the Slave
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 09 July 2009

With a new union the right to strike and elimination of free 24/7 on
call hours would be acheived. Out with the old, in with the new. 
CSX could probably be coaxed into early buy outs, so the old heads who
want out can get out. Sounds good to me.
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Yea, yea and I'm a astronaut and will become a brain surgeon after my
buy out. The buy out days are long gone. They just fire you.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 09 July 2009

New union old union it doesn't matter. You still wouldn't have the
right to strike. We fall under the Railway Labor Act. Get that through
your head. Maybe if you educated yourself instead of continuiosly
talking nonsense you wouldn't appear so ignorant. Your like an
obnoxious parrot repeating the same old line.

Name: SAm the Slave
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 09 July 2009

With a new union the right to strike and elimination of free 24/7 on
call hours would be acheived. Out with the old, in with the new. 
CSX could probably be coaxed into early buy outs, so the old heads who
want out can get out. Sounds good to me.

Name: Sam the Slave
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 09 July 2009

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 08 July 2009

Simple cure for the 24/7 on call human killer.
3 Seniority call blocks per day. 8 hour window call or pay.
 Employee must be rested before the call window, and is realeased and
paid if not called. Employee bid's on window 1 2 or 3 and is
assigned.

NO EXTRA BOARD. Road return trip's would be first in first out. Then
back to the assigned window.
*******************************************************************

See guys, changing the 24/7 on call rule so that we get PAID would be
pretty simple. 

Now, why didn't our illustrious union think of that? Hmmmmm. 

Oh, here's a good one. Masta is gonna take away the pension plan and
replace it with 401Ks.  The money saved  is going to the new hires in
the form of wage equilibrium - no more 80% of full salary to start. 
Masta gonna snap that whip fer shure.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 08 July 2009

Pop's

I understand. The transition from life long railroader to civilian is
going to be a drastic change. It'll definitely take some readjustment.
I'm in that critical last 5 years which means working more, saving
more, and making sure all debt is wiped out. Throw in trying to
discover what your going to do with yourself after retirement. I keep
tossing ideas around move to Mexico, Costa Rico, a western or
southwestern state to be closer to the grandchildren ect...maybe the
mountians of N.Carolina. Lot's of choices. All I know is I want a
fresh new start for the remainder of the life. Over the last couple of
years I've made a list which constantly grows things I've missed out.
Keeping the mind active by taking courses at a community college a few
times a year. I know one thing I'll get that HD Ultra classic when the
urge hits pack up and take off to anywhere. It's difficult to imagine
no more phone calls. 

Sonny

Name: htlong
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 08 July 2009

rrj,

hang in there sonny,  larr (life after rail roading)isnt an easy
ajustment much like a prisoner being put out into society after doing a
30 year stretch. but once you adjust you find out how great life is
without worring when the phone will ring,

I thought I loved my job,because I didnt know what life as a civilain
was like, friends used to ask me how I could live not knowing when I
was going to work? and living 40 years in a state of permanent jet
lag...but once you adjust its awesome!!!!!!!

it pains me to even sign on here and read about how I used to live,
stick it out the pension is great!!!!!!!!

Name: average joe
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 08 July 2009

okay guys 
i see alot of bitching about the unions but where i live unions are
shit there were two factorys here one union the other not. both
manufactured the same product while the union employees did it for an
average of two dollars less on the hour and had shittier benifits

That is the awesome part about a union in a right to work state unions
dont mean a hill of beans here just something to blow your money on.

im an electrician by trade and went to a tech school for two years to
get an associate of applied science in electrical technology 
got my license and all was well went to talk to the union and found out
it was shit they start you out at shitty pay and pretty much wont let
you test up to journeyman without 3 years working in the union paying
dues sounds like a fucking scam to me so i never joined for that fact
and the other bieng that if you join the union and there next job is on
the other side of the country and you dont want to leave your wife and
newborn for two years your blackballed and wont work for the union
again 

So in conclusion in a right to work state unions are nothing but a
waste of money and time

average joe

Name: Sam  the Slave
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 08 July 2009

Simple cure for the 24/7 on call human killer.
3 Seniority call blocks per day. 8 hour window call or pay.
 Employee must be rested before the call window, and is realeased and
paid if not called. Employee bid's on window 1 2 or 3 and is
assigned.

NO EXTRA BOARD. Road return trip's would be first in first out. Then
back to the assigned window.
***********************************************************

Other, non-employee, N/A......WOW. EXCELLENT IDEA. 

Z, you say it would be difficult but doable. I totally agree, but only
if terminal management improved terminal operations and implemented and
embraced the plan. 20% is conservative - 80% is doable with the
necessary changes that would be needed. 100% compliance is the goal.  


Z, splain to us how you would go about getting this in the contract. 
My believe is that since the carriers have opened the door to change
the contract and the laws, we need to bring it on.   Let the flood
begin: paid 24/7 on call duty, strike contingencies, wage surcharges
for energy costs over and above normal COLA increases, paid furlough
protection for 12 months, 80% of full wages for every year worked,
safety improvements, working condition improvements, Union
representation on the Board - at least half of the Board membership
Union, Union right to audit company records,   etc, etc. etc. I believe
such an action in an ongoing suit is called "counter suing", a
pleading filed as part and parcel of the Carrier complaint.  They
opened the door, we need to be driving a container ship of grievances
and contractaul  changes through it.   

Oh, shush now Sam, Masta is stirrin. 
Oh Masta, dont pay no attention to what we be speakin of...goes back ta
sleep Masta. Goes back ta sleep n dream you been  eatn' mammy's hot
buttered breakfast biskits wit grandpaws saw-sage gravy. Dont  pay no
attention to matters dat hurt yo thickened head, Masta.  Goes back ta
sleep, Masta. Goes back ta sleep.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 08 July 2009

It sounds that easy. It sounds great. Let's do it. Ops, there are
terminals that don't run enough trains to do this. There also aren't
any on time trains. Step on step offs going from point A to B to C and
maybe even D. Someone is working the grave yard at one of these
terminals. Most railroads will not list trains out of a terminal
without a 2 hour spread between them. So terminal A, at the north end
of a railroad list trains at 6,9,10,12,2 and 4 P.M.. So how does the
deal work at terminal B when the next crew gets on. There are terminals
on all railroads where most trains are called at night and it doesn't
matter how much seniority a person has. This happens merely because
they are intermediate terminals and trains that were originated
elsewhere arrive at these terminals at night. It sucks, but that's the
way it is. There are to many variations to the window slots. I've
already mentioned it's been tried on several railroads. NoMo said its
been tried on CSX, Mobile, I believe. It can work on occasion, but not
usually. Large crew change points and lots of trains make it doable.
Maybe, at best, 20 percent of a Class 1 railroad could operate with
window slots. One thing that has to be considered is terminal capacity.
Each terminal has a magic number and when the car count reaches that
number, cars are going to move by calling trains. If not the terminal
will grid lock in short time.
Car scheduling, dwell time, car connection, capacity and locomotive
availability, along with many other factors play a part into when
trains are run.

There are better ways to do things, but it would have to be looked at
on a terminal by terminal basis. Unions and management would have to
make concessions in order to accomplish better working schedules. Still
the ones working at every second or third terminal will still have a lot
more night trains than any other time. It sucks to be stuck at one of
these places.

I only gave a few examples. There are many other scenarios and it will
not be a easy solution.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 08 July 2009

Simple cure for the 24/7 on call human killer.
3 Seniority call blocks per day. 8 hour window call or pay.
 Employee must be rested before the call window, and is realeased and
paid if not called. Employee bid's on window 1 2 or 3 and is
assigned.

NO EXTRA BOARD. Road return trip's would be first in first out. Then
back to the assigned window.

Name: Sam the Slave
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 08 July 2009

Here we go again. 

Where's the namby pamby Union - the one we can't live with, and
(supposedly cant live without)?

The Union is reactionary only.  Stick it with a needle and it jumps. 

Seems to me the Union always re-acts to the carriers screwing us,  when
it should be pro-active and take the issues to the carrier. 

Instead, they wait till contract time and have to give every thing away
cause they allow themselves to get pinned to the mat before they even
get started.      

24/7 does not give normalcy to anyone, you cannot predict when you are
going out even if your first out on the board, or 10th and nothing in
sight. You can go from 10th to out in one hour, or sit 1st out for
days,then work 14 odd ball shifts in a row.  That is not normalcy. 
Never has, never will be.  Either the Carriers need to pay for 24/7 on
call time with shift differientials, or get rid of its slave system
altogether.   

The carriers can sue us in court to change laws and contracts, but we
can't sue the Carriers - for anything??   What's with that??
That's what Courts are for......litigation. It's a two way street.


Let me ask you a question - if you could abolish unpaid 24/7 on call
time and either pay for on call time, or replace it with another fairer
system, would you? 

CSX wants to change our contract in court.  OK, fine. Then we should be
in Court suing for a strike, or at least setting up our legal right to
walk out. 

See, the Carriers think that they have rank and file and the Unions
convinced we can no longer strike. That's obvious. They think we think
there is no hope.  Wow. We just handed them our heads on a platter. Wow.
   

We should be in court to change the CSX corporate charter and by-laws
to force the company to give the Unions a majority of the Board
membership - afterall, we are the ones who put boots on the ground  to
run the damn thing. We should have at least a 51% Board representation.
 

We should be in the courts demanding a majority Union oversight of
Company operations and administration.  

We should be in the courts suing the carriers for unsafe working
conditions. 

We should be in the courts suing the carriers for fraud. 

We should be in court demanding the Unions right to conduct audits. 

We should be in the courts doing a lot of things, but we are not.   

Corporations are not the only ones who have sympathetic judges in the
court system - so do we, believe it or not.

Jim Crow is alive and well on the CSX. So is SLAVERY. 

OPPS. Lordy. This slave done forgot to take his anti-uppity pills. i iz
so sorry masta for talkin so uppity. plez dont beat me masta, plez dont
beat me.  Ah likes to work in dem dar cotton fields masta - fer free
masta, fer free - jus pay me nuff for grits masta, dats all.  Take me
to da promise land masta, take me to da promise land.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 07 July 2009

With the ability to access the CSX Mainframe from home it has helped to
better determine when we will get called to work. This still isn't
100% effective when recrews or deadheads get tossed into the mix. Still
it has left the oppertunity to have some normality. 

With the railroads filing suit in a federal court in Texas wanting to
change contractual agreements over the new hours of service
restrictions this is a litmus test of our unions. I'm sure the
railroads filed in a federal court with a Repo appointed judge who is
corporate friendly an anti-union. This is the last year of these
contracts new section 6 notices will be served later this year. These
contracts should be honored under the RLA. The arrogance of the
railroads that all contracts are subject to change at anytime is just
going along with Raygun-Daddy Bush- The Shrub policies of Raygunomics
to destroy labor.

Name: Sam the Slave
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 07 July 2009

Masta sez the fickle finger of fate is upon you. Repent, or be reborn
into the engine pool 24/7. 

The railroad is slavery. It's not about money.  Its about controlling
you and me. 

Which most likely means, they fear us controlling them.  

Which is why 24/7 is so important - abolish 24/7. 

                  ABOLISH RAILROAD SLAVERY.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 07 July 2009

RRJ can bring the munchies and Goober can help out also. HHMMMMMMMMMM,
what can Goober bring. On second thought I think a big fat one,
munchies and the hooch are plenty. Goober can stay home.)
I hear he bogarts them any way.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 07 July 2009

Hey Sam:

To answer your question...hell no...unless you want to live in the
shed... 

Z...I'll bring the hooch.

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 07 July 2009

I kinda see what you are saying Sam and I do agree with some of it but
CSX nor any other major freight line is going to change the way they
operate as far as us going out in turns and our places on the extra
board.  Hell I knew about this one guy at Russell who worked about 7
times in 6 months because he hopped around the extra board like little
bunny fu fu.  Of course you can't do this at every terminal but he got
away with it and I've seen many others do the same.  There is a way to
go about working less even though I do believe there system is way out
of date and could be more accomodating for family life.  

As far as quitting goes...  How can anyone quit their job right now
whether it be working for the RR and hating your life, or working in a
cubicle going nuts all day?  The economy stinks so bad right now unless
you have a degree or have good connections you are stuck right where you
are.  Contrary to popular belief, I don't think many of the new hires
really new all about the railroad like some of you on here think. 
Hell, in the past most guys got hired on because they knew family on
the RR or their daddy got them on.  Today the hiring process is so
diverse that plenty of people don't know what they are getting into.

The whole slavery argument is kind of a moot point.  Everyone out here
knows we never get paid what we are due but thats mainly because our
payroll dept and trainmasters love to deny claims and play "lets see
how much we can nickle and dime them this week".  If you are on an
extra board Sam you should be able to kind of judge about how long its
going to be before you are called and if you are on the road and hold a
freight pool you usually have at least 10 to 15 hours before you are
called again to work unless the volume is steady where you are at.  I
don't think anyone likes how the system works but in my opinion the
more times they change the contract it just seems like the more times
we are gonna get fucked.  We never seem to come out ahead with any new
agreements our unions come up with and I seriously doubt a new union
will solve the problems either unless we really do decide to strike and
make our voice heard.

As bad as I hate how this company treats its employees Sam I actually
enjoy the job.  I take the good with the bad knowing there is little
else out there for me.  If something else good comes along Ill be gone
in a hurry but for now I'll just bad mouth these bastards as much as I
can on here and get my satisfaction from it.  You guys have a safe CSX
day and try your best to delay that train.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 07 July 2009

Sam, read your post of July 6. When RRJ answered you it was about hours,
no life, etc.  Now your latest one is about the money.
Your swapping up again.

Name: Sam the Slave
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 07 July 2009

Working for the railroad has always been being on call 24/7 if your in
the freight pools or extra boards. 
*************************************************************

Lordy, yes I agree RRJ. No problem. The RR is 24/7.  No debate there,
no quarrel, no question.  Ditto. Gotch ya. 24/7. 

My issue is not with the fact we have 24/7 on call. 

My issue is the fact WE DO NOT GET PAID for ALL of the HOURs we are ON
CALL. In fact, we don't get paid for ANY of them.

On call 24/7 is a disaster for family life , or any kind of normalcy
for that matter.  The average railroader has probably been married and
divorced 10 times over the course of an entire career. At least half of
all RR injuries and accidents are due to the detrimental affects of 24/7
on call.  

"On Call" 24/7 is draconian.  It is inhumane. It is SLAVERY. 

What is wrong with negotiating a better deal in the next contract - how
about at least a minimum hourly wage for "On CAll" hours?  

Better yet, why not ABOLISH the 24/7 "On Call" rule altogether, and
give us back a normal life?   That asking too much?


Prayer for the Masta: 
"Masta please forgive me for I have sinned in beggin fer some time
off. Please dont whip me Masta. Please dont whip me. Iz pick cotton
24/7 fer free Masta, jus pleaz dont whip me no moe"

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 07 July 2009

so have they started calling people back anywhere else?

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 06 July 2009

Sam

My last post on this subject. I'll repeat what I've already stated.
Working for the railroad has always been being on call 24/7 if your in
the freight pools or extra boards. The days of road jobs that have
regular starting times are being wiped out. Even if there were the
oldheads would be on them there preferred jobs. In my area the road
switchers were placed last year in the freight pools and we are barely
hanging on to the last two locals. I don't have 2 years left out here
it's precisely 5 years 1 month and 15 days. I've worked 95% of my
career on the road you can't tell me anything about being on call 24/7
I've lived the life. I've lived in bunkhouses for years on end working
at other locations. I've sacrificed family and friends over this job
that's probably my one regret. I came from a time when railroading was
in your blood sadily that isn't the case anymore even for me.
Railroaders were a close knit family that too isn't the case anymore.
I'll just quietly work my last remaining years and fade away.

Name: Sam the Slave
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 06 July 2009

Gotta take a rain check - Masta sezs i gots to be on call for chain gang
duty any minute now. Chain smoking Camels and drinking coffee with
expresso chasers.  Ah, the life (?) of a railroader.  

24/7 includes on-call hours with no wages.  Providing "on call'
services 24/7 is 365 days x 24 hours/day = 8,720 on call hours per
person every year. The guarantee pays far less than even half of that
(more like about 30%). The carriers made out like bandits. Good luck
sucking the Guarantee titty before the Devil knows your dead. 

The Union got an illusory guarantee,  the carrers get BILLIONS of FREE
on call duty hours every year.  

CSX is grinnin like a very satisfied bunny rabbit.        

NoMo, if I quit can I come live with you?

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 06 July 2009

RRJ is going to retire on a yard job and I'm going to retire marked off
on union business. How do you like that Sam. Your all invited to come
participate in a big fatty on my last day.( That meant you also, NoMo )

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 06 July 2009

Hey Z:

Am I invited? I feel slighted...must be a union deal! 

Maybe I'll just sue. Yeah, that's the ticket. Oh, I've
forgot...I've already done that...maybe I'll just go Downtown and get
lucky, while
Sam is waiting for his call. 

Slavery...I can swing that way..black leather, fish nets and
stillettos...handcuffs...my type of women! 

Life is good when the railroad is no longer your master, the cell phone
your wife...but you must be able to deal with the reality of a normal
life...or you'll die!

It's hard to live 40 years on the RR and retire to a normal life.
how many men do you know that have died with in a year after retiring.

The entire argument is moot...you don't like the deal, quit! It's
easy, just turn in your resignation...there's 100's waiting to
replace you, or you don't like being "on call", just take a yard
job.

Oh, you can't hold a yard job...tough shit.

Like I've said before, unless you're number 1 on the seniority
roster, the view never changes. You know that, RRJ knows that and Sam
knows that. 

With 30 years plus, you all know nothing will change overnight.
The unions suck, the carriers suck and the system sucks. So what is the
best way to create change? The Locals, how will that create change? It
won't unless the members become active...the BLEt is full of well aged
individuals that know how things work. On the other hand, the UTU is
full of members that don't the difference between shit and shinola.

It was always in my best interest to train the new hires, including
how the RR and union worked...it was a job that seldom paid dividends.
I tried to attend Union meetings every chance I could, a hour a month
was no big deal...whether or not things went my way, my opinion was
always heard.

Besides, a new union or new leadership just means a new set of crooks
in office, history tells us that!

Name: Sam the Slave
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 06 July 2009

RRJ the “OLD HEAD”.  

Here we go again. 

We are free to quit?  If anyone believes that, they are living alone in
a one room cave with no contact from the outside village people.  

The rest of us have families and financial obligations. Quitting is not
an option.  

On the other hand - change, and facilitating change, IS an option – but
only if we get some MUCH better union leadership, and SUBSTANTIAL
integration of the younger work force (another topic for another day). 


Your free to do whatever you want 24/7??! – EXCEPT, your fired if you
get caught having a beer with the guys, take your wife out to dinner
and a movie, or attend your grandson’s baseball game.  In my book
that’s not freedom. That is called house arrest without pay. In the
South before the Civil War it was called SLAVERY.  Modernly, CSX calls
it “24/7”.  Call it what you want. It's illegal, unlawfull, and
unfair.  I call it SLAVERY.  You can call it what you want.    

Sure your "free" to work 24/7 for 30 years on the RR - but like RRJ,
many never hold a regular yard job with stable hours. What kind of
"freedom" is that?  

The young ones are free to facilitate change by attending union
meetings?  Sure, as long as they agree with the union bosses and agree
to the “majority” – which means the young ones would have to agree to
take it in the ass again when it comes to wages and guarantees and
everything else. What new hire is going to join the Union meetings to
facilitate that?

The  company obviously plays off the old heads against the new hires
like Liberace played the keys on his piano. The Unions go along to get
along. Eventually, everyone will get screwed….old and new – just ask
the UAW. 

As long as the young ones keep getting screwed under the present caste
system, they will NEVER participate. Who in their right mind would?  

Your free to be on call 24/7 – but your not free to live a normal
life.

Your free to be on call 24/7 – as long as its 24/7 without pay

Your free to get a guarantee for 24/7 – but you don’t get paid 24/7

Your free to train for conductor – buy your not free to work for 30
days before being laid off

Your free to mark up on the extra board – but not free to mark off

Your guaranteed to work a shift 24/7 – but your not guaranteed wages
for 24/7

Your free to strike – but you are never allowed to strike.

You like the 24/7 system – but your stuck working irregular temp jobs
for 30+ years till you retire

RRJ says he is an old head and his pay and retirement are secure, and
he’s outa this dump in 2 years - the new Fed regs on wages be damned -
but the new guys should hang around,  participate,and facilitate
change?  Sounds to me like the Captain of the Titantic telling the
passengers to man the bucket brigade while he’s sailing away in the
only available life boat. 

This all reminds me of the story of the two railroaders killing time in
New York on a lay over: an Old Head and a New Hire are walking around
New York’s Time Square on a warm summer day, looking for something to
do.  Walking provocatively toward them are three incredibly beautiful
and sexy long legged Super-Models dressed only in the latest silky
‘see-through’ negligee fashions. New Hire can hardly believe his luck –
lustful fantasies instantly leap into his head -  but, having little 
experience in such a unique situation, he smartly turns to Old Head and
whispers: “I say we fuck all three of em - right here, right now!”. Old
Head scowls, wrinkles his thick brow for a moment as he watches the
scantily clad beauties jiggle, bounce and smile as they approach, then
turns to New Hire and says: “OK…..Fuck ‘em out of what?”

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 06 July 2009

RRJ is going to retire on a yard job and I'm going to retire marked off
on union business. How do you like that Sam. Your all invited to come
participate in a big fatty on my last day.

Sam, explain to me how you are concluding a person is available 24/7
for nothing? The extra board is paid a guarantee, work or not, to be
available. If you make over the guarantee, all is good. If you sit at
home two weeks all is still good. Two weeks at home and you get paid.
Chain gangs aren't paid a guarantee, but catch out before extra board
men are called, which usually gives them a good pay day. Chain gangs
are bid in and, people that haven't got the seniority to hold a
regular run, usually bid these jobs in before taking a extra board. It
is done by choice usually, not because they are forced to be on the
chain gang. Most people that work them do because they like the way it
works. When everything else is exhausted, now it's time to ring the
extra board. There are variations to the way this works, but most of
the time the variations were approved by the craft and company. Both
wanted it.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 06 July 2009

Sam "The Slave"

You're free to do whatever you want till that phone rings. No one is
stopping you. Heck you can drink get drunk if you feel like it. Just
like any other job if you show up get busted your gone. I know
responding to you is like talking to a brick wall nothing sinks in.
Like someone else stated if you got yourself into a financial mess then
it's your fault for thinking the way you do. Over the years I liked
being on call 24/7 it worked for me. Now a days it's more of a young
persons game let them make the road money. I'm content with holding
one of the few engineer yard jobs left even on a temporary basis during
vacations. With all the downsizing I can't hold a permanent yard
assignment. In a few years with at least 2 more retirements hopefully
no more downsizing I'll retire on a yard assignment. See nothing is
fair.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 06 July 2009

Lloyd

It has nothing to do with greed that's a scape goat. I've posted on
this site many times telling people to avoid getting into a money pit.
At work I try to give advise base everthing on a 10 day half if you
make over it then that's gravy. Now we have new obstical the Fed regs
on July 16th. People are worried about their pay. It isn't going to
concern me nothing will change in fact I might work more seeing there
is time off associated with it. Worse case scenario my pay will remain
the same. 

NoMo made a good point certian groups ban together to get things
accomplished. I've witnessed it several times. People with a common
concern who you never see at a union meeting sticking together. My
location oldheads are out numbered by at least a 3-1 ratio. It's time
for the new generation to stand up to the plate. Paying your monthly
dues doesn't make you part of a union getting involved is the key.
I've been involved since the '70s in either one the UTU or BLE(T).
There is no excuse that a person should be able to attend a minimum of
4 union meetings a year. People can't cry over spilled milk if they
didn't bother to participate.

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 05 July 2009

Just because we have all worked free on call hours 24/7 like slaves,
(and continue to work them like slaves) does not justify the practice,
and does not preclude us from changing the rules.  

Quitting is not a solution. 

The poster who says "quit" if you don't like working free 24/7 on
call hours like a slave, is a COWARD. Your either a Company Lackey, or
your are in denial of reality.    

My opinion is 24/7 without compensation for 24/7, is slavery - has, is,
and always will be.  

If you dis-agree, then you must like being a slave and working for free
(e.g. Corporate Office). 

If you are reading this, consider yourself facilitated. 

Unpaid 24/7 on call is SLAVERY.  

Oh, and that Corporate Office Harvard greenhorn half-wit who keeps
posting on here under different IDS,  do us a favor and run out onto 
Water Street and play in the traffic - preferably during rush hour with
a big red target painted on your ass that says,
 "FUCK ME HERE - I"m An IDIOT".

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 05 July 2009

Hey Lloyd:

Greed was not the intended point of my post, rather the true nature of
"Windows Agreements". 

The senior men have always and will always hold the preferred jobs.
The comment about the Union meeting was made to show the dynamics of
the local and the utter apathy of the new hires when it comes to taking
their destiny into their own hands.

In Mobile, new hires, those with less than 5 years service, out number
old heads 2 to 1. It's simple math...with numbers like that
the new hires should be able to shape local agreements more to their
liking, but they have to participate, they don't, then they want to
bitch about it.

I'm sure the ratio of old heads to new hires is fairly constant system
wide. Majority rules but you have to attend to vote, if you don't, you
lose because a few old heads will always attend and they'll vote their
best interest!

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 05 July 2009

Just goes to show you how many old greedy bastards there are on this
railroad.  If some of them didn't live beyond their means I'm pretty
sure this kind of shit wouldn't happen.  RRJ says its all about the
"Y" generation, well fella its not all roses with the "O"
generation either.  Every generation has its fair share of terds.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 05 July 2009

Hey Z and RRJ:

They went to a windows agreement on the NO&M about 5 years ago...a four
hour window then they started paying. The old heads caught the day
trains outbound and evening/night trains inbound...same ride every
trip. 

The old heads even proposed that only the windows crews could vote
changes to the windows agreement, I objected to that and after I
explained why, it was tabled. The best attended union meeting
I ever attended, every old head road and local conductor and brakeman
attended, even if they had to lay off. Men and women that I never saw
at a union meeting were there to vote on something that would effect
them...not to many new hires though. A perfect example of local
political dynamics at work.

The problem on the return trip was crew management would run the
windows crews around the pool and extra board men, with a nod from the
superintendent. They wouldn't have to pay because the window's
man wasn't rested for the next trip south. Or, they would just hold
the next southbound until the man was rested.

Several times I was first out for 36 hours before being called because
of the runarounds. On several occasions I spoke to the Chief Dispatcher
about the runarounds, they didn't like windows because of that...I
usually received my call within a hour. The TM at Gentilly was usually
livid when I got there...oh well, it's better to be pissed off than
pissed on!

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 05 July 2009

Freedom to quit?   Its a free world?  LOL.  If that were true, 99.9% of
the world's work force would be soakin up the sun in the Bahamas 24/7
- including me.  And money would grow on trees, free for the pluckin.
=================================================================

It takes two words. I quit. As bad as I hate the environment we are in,
I'm glad to have a job the way our economy is and it hasn't hit
bottom. Always know your options, outs and capabilities to make your
own destiny. Never overextend yourself to become a slave of the
company. Always have enough in the bank to survive a year if not two.
I expect nothing from the railroad and I don't want them expecting
anything from me. The company has no compassion for us, nor I for them.
It's just a payday I can accept or do without. Expect nothing from the
unions, except paying dues. I work for change, but except the fact that
change is slow and will not come until every member of a union is
active, which means the massive reforms that need to be made are a long
time coming, if ever.

The carriers haven't got the insight to in vision what could be and
neither have the unions.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 05 July 2009

Oh no, here we go again.

When I started there were no guarantees. You also could lay off when
you wanted. When the guaranteed boards came into the picture, the
carriers slowly have taken the lay off away from us. They pay you  on a
extra board to be available, if you work or not. We also adjusted the
boards before the current system. Another thing we don't do anymore.
You still heard bitching, when we adjusted the boards. If the old heads
of those days weren't getting a start every day, they wanted the boards
cut. When it went from a 16 hour day to 12, there was more bitching. The
carriers got what they wanted full time employees and the men thought
they got what they wanted, guarantees. When the carriers started
regulating the boards, they did it the same way the old heads of my era
did it. They kept as few men on them as they had to. The old heads did
it out of greed and so does the carrier. The old head kept the numbers
low so they could make all they could. Now the carriers keep them low
and try to regulate them, to keep from paying guarantee and fringes to
employees that sit at home. Not a perfect system, but the men wanted
guarantees and they got them. The carriers were willing to pay them to
have full time employees and they got them. The problem lies with the
right to lay off within reason, without being harassed by the
carriers.

RRJ, the window slots you spoke about have been tried on several
railroads, at random locations, through vest pocket agreements. As you
are aware, there would have to be a lot of trains out of a terminal to
do this. Usually it's done on a 4 hour window. The senior employee
gets the day slots and the youngest gets the left overs, with the extra
board filling the rest.

Sam, your laying on the island, drinking, with money growing on trees
theory makes no sense. You have three choices. Accept what it is, quit
or try to facilitate change.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 04 July 2009

Sam

I don't know why you state you've been on the railroad 30+ years. If
you had been then you'ld know that it's always been this way. I
don't know why you even work for the railroad if you're questioning
being on call. Your getting way off track you are compensated very well
for your time. You couldn't make this kind of money elsewhere if you
could you wouldn't be working for the railroad. Maybe it's time to
get another occupation. Maybe a politician seeing your blind to reality
and like twisting words around to conform to your own ideas. You're
definitely part of the "Y" generation. 

Even if the unions were to get an 8 hour calling time it would
technically be 24/7 only difference a person wouldn't have any excuse
for not being rested. I've read and heard about several proposals over
my years out here like windows of calling times which wasn't a bad
idea. It wasn't even considered by CSX it would of had to been with a
gaurentee. I liked it the older seniority which would be me would
always get first shift they usually run less trains between 0700-1500
during the week days. Which would still make the person with less
seniority mad because they would feel it wasn't fair. Well, get over
it nothing ever is fair in life you learn to live with it.

Name: SAm
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 04 July 2009

SLAVE: (Webster's dictionary). ..." a person who is subject to the
will of another....one wholly under the financial dominion of
another.....labor without compensation...."    

24/7 is a "pay" and "wage" issue with CSX and the other roads -
they are happy to work you 'on call' 24/7 as long as they dont have
to pay you for your 'on call' time 24/7.  

The 24/7 rule is also used by management as a convenient tool to
mistreat and abuse workers.  CSX and the other roads are BIG on
mistreatment and abuse - its a perpetual orgasmic need for power with
no other purpose than complete dominion and control.

Sounds a little like Nazism, doesnt it? 

24/7 is slavery.  Call it what you want.  I call it slavery.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 04 July 2009

That's a very short and simple definition of slavery which is
inaccurite. We're free to make change in our lives. But, you hit the
nail on the head it's about money. Seeing we're just employees then
with it requires adapting to the work envirement. Which today
constantly changes. Everyone was informed that the job requires being
on call 24/7 when they hired out that has never changed. You can't cry
foul over that one. If you didn't like it when they mentioned it you
should of left with the other 50% who walked out of the hiring session.

Name: SAm
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 03 July 2009

24/7 without pay for 24/7 - is slavery. The definition of slavery is
work duty without pay. The "forced" part is inherent. 

Remember that old song  "..I been working on the railroad all my live
long days...."?   There is a reason for that lyric, and its not
because Dinah is in the kitchen gettin ready to blow on your horn. 

Freedom to quit?   Its a free world?  LOL.  If that were true, 99.9% of
the world's work force would be soakin up the sun in the Bahamas 24/7 -
including me.  And money would grow on trees, free for the pluckin.

The railroad wants you 24/7 because they dont want to pay another
person to pick up the hours - that would mean adding a body to the work
force and we all know that would be blasphemy. And, they sure as hell
are not paying us 24/7.  They know you are not going to quit - you cant
afford to quit. No one can. 

Corporate Office is a brain washed idiot.  Probably just fresh out of
Harvard and couldn't pour piss out of a boot with the instructions
written on the heel.  Well, maybe with Daddy's help he could....

24/7 is what it is.  SLAVERY.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Yard Master, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 03 July 2009

Regardless of how hard you try..you can't fix stupid!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 03 July 2009

E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 03 July 2009

No one is a slave. Everyone is free to make a choice stay or leave.
Technically we are a 24/7 business and subject to call within the
24/7.
The days of scheduled trains are a thing of the past except for
Amtrak.
There might be a few road switchers that still have a window of
calling
times but CSX has gone about eliminating these jobs that had the
set-back claim. 

I understand those who have spent many years working for the railroad
sticking it out till retirement. I don't understand those who still
have a life time left to work who hate it why they don't quit and
move
on. It's not going to get any better in the near future. It might get
better when those in the executive offices leave and their
replacements
make change. I've seen it happen several times over the years. 

It's a matter of adapting. I see to many people who still fight
change. It only frustrates them, management doesn't care. I'm not
condoning the changes it frustrates the heck out of me. It's a matter
of having to deal with it. I only have a few years left which
hopefully
that time will go by quickly. I'll just quietly
retire.XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Old number 4 on the 1-10 is laying out the laundry list. I will regret
this for the rest of my life, but he is right on man. Right on
TARGET... I will never admit to this post...???? However he is 100%
RIGHT, Get with it or leave. Real Man/Woman does that. It does not mean
they are not good, or qualified, it simply means they have other
interest that may be better or may be a whole lot worse. That is called
life choices.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 03 July 2009

No one is a slave. Everyone is free to make a choice stay or leave.
Technically we are a 24/7 business and subject to call within the 24/7.
The days of scheduled trains are a thing of the past except for Amtrak.
There might be a few road switchers that still have a window of calling
times but CSX has gone about eliminating these jobs that had the
set-back claim. 

I understand those who have spent many years working for the railroad
sticking it out till retirement. I don't understand those who still
have a life time left to work who hate it why they don't quit and move
on. It's not going to get any better in the near future. It might get
better when those in the executive offices leave and their replacements
make change. I've seen it happen several times over the years. 

It's a matter of adapting. I see to many people who still fight
change. It only frustrates them, management doesn't care. I'm not
condoning the changes it frustrates the heck out of me. It's a matter
of having to deal with it. I only have a few years left which hopefully
that time will go by quickly. I'll just quietly retire.

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 02 July 2009

Guys, didn't you know that we were 24/7 SLAVES when we hired out?  No? 
Me neither.  Doesnt say much for our union, either. 

I think that 24/7 rule came about when the current CSX corporate nazis
took over, burned the safety rule book, hung all the crosses upside
down in all the churchs, and smeared rat blood on the front doors of
all railroad families with first born male babies.   

Corporate Office 30+ sounds more like Corporate Office fetch the lunch
bag & coffee boy for P.R. - wait a few years puppy, then let's see you
shit out the thousand miles of corporate office dick that's going to
permanently clog your anus and rot your brain. Then they will fire your
dumb ass for being such an ass kissing mumbly mouthed idiot.

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 02 July 2009

Hey Corporate Office...
Being the brainiac that this company obviously thinks you are, how in
the hell could this job be 24/7?  It might be 12/7 and sometimes even
10/5 but its never 24/7...we are not the police force or the fire
department, we just move freight.  There is a lot of hate by many for
this company but let me assure you its for very good reason.  The
people you work for in Jacksonville could give two shits about anyone
out here on the ground working for this crooked outfit.  Do you
honestly think they care more about the fact a man died, or do you
think they put more emphasis on a measely statistic?  Is it a race to
save lives or is it a race to win a trophy?  Do they care about how
many guys are out of work because of dumb decisions they made when
hiring all these new guys?  Do they care about what happens to a family
after they put a man on the street over some petty rule violation that
should never have made it to the book in the first place?  How about
the fact this CEO and his buddies act like a Neo-Nazi regime?  What
about the fact our payroll department declines valid claims and never
repays us what we are owed?  Yeah I'm sure your response will be why
not quit or you could leave anytime.  There is really no other option
out there for me at the present time but if one comes available I'll
be out the door in a hurry.  I've never witnessed a company shit on
its employees like this one does.  I'm sure some of the people in corp
office aren't treated like gold but unless you people read this site or
have dealt with it yourselves you have no idea what goes on out here. 
Massive changes need to take place before something real bad happens. 
I'm sure I'm not alone on my feelings corporate office so lets hope
you really are who you say you are and maybe you can copy and paste
this to all those guys down there in Florida who might give a shit.

Name: RETIRED
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 01 July 2009

to corporate ofFice with 30 plus years. -I RETIRED 2 YEARS AGO TODAY
WORKED 42YEARS ENJOYED MY JOB AND WORK FOR THE FIRST 30 YEARS I GOT
WHERE I HATED THE R.R. AND THE u T U EVEN MORE IN MY LAST FEW YEARS. I
GOT to THE POINT THAT I FELT LIKE THE U T U LET EVERyONE DOWN NOT THE
R.R. I DONOT BLAME THE R.R. FOR WHAT THEY ARE DOING FOR THE UNION
SHOULD BE STOPING A LOT OF THE SHIT EVERYONE IS HAVING TO DEAL WITH.
WITH PEOPLE REPRESENTING YOU LIKE john HANCOCK you need not expect any
better in the furure. It is really bad when the r.r. hires a young man
out of school with no r.r. experence to tell someone how to do their
job when they have years of work experence.no one should be hiding in
the bushes to fire you if he donot like what you are doing go to your
face and talk to you . donot be a snake in the grass.nothing is going
to change untill everyone working becomes one that is one union the u t
u stinks for selling everyone out sooner or latter this will be. have a
good 4th july i

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 01 July 2009

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Corporate office, for 30+ years
Posted: 01 July 2009

Guys, When you applied at the RR all those years ago, were you not told
the job was 24/7.  I know for my 30+ years it has always been 24/7. 
Can't understand anyone hating a place so bad they would stay for one
year let-a-lone, 30+, says something about that person doesn't it. 
He/She must like punishment if they really hate their job as bad as
these people do/did.
---------------------------------------------------------------------

Easy to make statements when you haven't a clue. Keep conducting your
desk in the AC. Or maybe your a corporate throttle puller.

I think most of the old heads will tell you, we at one time loved the
place. Maybe the reason we don't now is because of people in the
corporate office like you. Also it wasn't 24/7 when I hired on. 

Sir, I can assure you that you are one of the problems, with a smart
ass statement like the one you made.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Corporate office, for 30+ years
Posted: 01 July 2009

Guys, When you applied at the RR all those years ago, were you not told
the job was 24/7.  I know for my 30+ years it has always been 24/7. 
Can't understand anyone hating a place so bad they would stay for one
year let-a-lone, 30+, says something about that person doesn't it. 
He/She must like punishment if they really hate their job as bad as
these people do/did.

Name: Steve Gordon
E-mail: sgordon@gordon-elias.com
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 30 June 2009

Hello All-

I am seeking any information from anyone that knows:
(1) about the relationship or contract [if any] between CSX and
Goodyear Tire Co. to service/replace and/or repair its Goodyear tires
that are utilized, for instance, on backhoes including, but not limited
to, (a)is it a national agreement, i.e., are Goodyear tires used in all
the CSX operating states?; (b) who at CSX would be the person that
would negotiate for CSX with Goodyear on tire purchase and (c)service
"after the sale", if any, topics;

(2) Is there any studies that CSX did/does and/or that they rely upon
for working in the heat and protection of its MofW workers;

(3) What is the CSX policy (if there is one) on working conditions
(regarding heat exposure) it will allow its MofW workers to be exposed
to?

If anyone has this knowledge, I would prefer to use my email to receive
this information at sgordon@gordon-elias.com instead of a response to
this post and I would be extremely grateful to anyone that can shed
some light on these issues. You obviously do not need to give your name
to me. Thank you all for what you do.

Steve Gordon
http://www.Gordon-Elias.com

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 25 June 2009

Name: Sam 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 25 June 2009

Better to have Swiss Cheese and fart than to have chronic diarreha
24/7/365. 

The old Unions are crap.  We need something better. 

You and others say the old Unions are crap.  They suck. 

But you dont want a new, better organized, better represented union. 

What, exactly,  do you want to see and how would you go about doing
it?

/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
My last post to you about Unions. There will not be anything better, by
forming a new Union! It will be the same Union, with the same members
that currently do not participate. The same bureaucracy will exist,
because the members are not active now and won't be under a new Union.
Man I wish you would find a new topic.

Name: JET
E-mail: Jetcherokee@yahoo.com
Employed as: Brakeman, for 30+ years
Posted: 22 June 2009

To whom this may concern:I worked for the railroad over forty(40 yrs.) I
worked as crew caller, fireman and enginer some times in engine service,
I tranfered to brakeman a few yrs. later and worked as yard conductor,
road brakeman,I started for the B&O Railroad in 1953 and I also worked
for the Tennessee Railroad back in 1944 as crew caller,o.k.last but
lease, The CSXhad the railroad when I Retired in Aug. 1993, let me tell
you this, when the CSX had taken over, yes it was a new ball game, The
CSX wasn"t a railroad co., they was more for Export and import, well
I"ll shut up now, may have said to much, all tho I don"t think so.
Thank you. Sincerely:Jet.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 17 June 2009

This may also help Mr.Smith


http://www.trainlawblog.com/2009/02/federal-railroad-safety-act-1/frsas-sharp-teeth-starting-to-bite-railroads/


http://www.osha.gov/dep/oia/whistleblower/acts/frsa.html


http://railroadworkersunited.org/sites/rwu.prometheuslabor.com/files/CSX%20Harrassment%20FRA%20Report.pdf

Name: csmith
E-mail: 
Employed as: Engine repair, for 1-10 years
Posted: 17 June 2009

does anyone have a phone number of an FRA AGENT in Georiga,  I had an
injury requiring surgery, and was told at my investigation during a
break, that if I only reported one injury, the plant manager would have
a talk with me when I got back to work, making me think I would keep my
job, but they fired me anyway. They only reported one injury and showed
the second injury as non reportable

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 16 June 2009

I am so glad working in an environment now where someones hard work
ethic is appreciated.  I left this crap hole this past year.  CSX can
honestly go to hell. UTU and the BLE can follow them...:0)  I honestly
felt while I was there that I did a serious crime and I was assigned
community service, but just got paid for it.  But of course, I worked
in the Baltimore Terminal.  From what I here, I heard other
trainmasters around the system (even the REDI Center) threatens
employees who do something wrong that they will send them to Baltimore
if they do something else wrong.  LMAOOOO  HAVE A SAFE CSX DAY!!!

Name: Bad ass switchman 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 16 June 2009

who is this bad ass train master out of school talking about I'm black
so come fire me ass I will drag your ass under a train and beat the
shit out of you that's one thing I can't stand about this site some
dump ass trying to act hard come on down to Hamlet and let us show you
who the bad ones are beat you will be running home to your mommy

Name: Just out of training
E-mail: BaddA$$MoFoMastah@csx.net
Employed as: Train Master/ supervisor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 16 June 2009

Wow. all you guys got is bad spelling as a comback?

Hay guys why don't you stop worring about my spelling and worry about
those extra inches your womens been looking for all these years.

Summer time is coming and its time to have those BBQs  Why don't you
invite me over and we will get to know each other. While Im there I'll
give those extra inches to your womens she been missing all these
years.

When God made me he told me I had two choices. You can be a master at
word smithing or you can have a big male member.

I asked, "Well what will open up doors for success?"

He said, well having good grammar and spelling will certainly get you
thru the door. But if your grammar sucks and also your spelling, and
they try to shut the door, you can block it open with your big dick.


Oh buy the way, when I come over tell your wife to wear those tight
short shorts :)


Have a safe day

Name: Trainmaster BlackList
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 15 June 2009

Commuity College   aka Jethro Bonehead Trainmaster

Show us your Commuity (spellchecking LOL) College edUma-cation you
learned by those Nazi Bastards.  Raise your head or open your Big Mouth
then see how the University of HardKnocks Graduates kicks you in the
teeth and make you cry, quit or get fired.

Trainmaster Blacklist

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Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 15 June 2009

Alright trainmaster if that is a real post and your such a bad ass whats
your name.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Car repair, for 10-20 years
Posted: 15 June 2009

It is Community..... SPELL CHECK MY BOY, SPELL CHECK

Name: Just out of training
E-mail: BaddA$$MoFoMastah@csx.net
Employed as: Train Master/ supervisor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 15 June 2009

Im a new trainmaster fresh out of training. Im 26 years old and got this
job at a job semminar at my Commuity College. If any of you give me any
shit you will help me make a name for myself. They taught me well and I
know exactly what to do. I have a very big spoon over my shoulder the
size of a spike puller. If you people hide or ignore me I will start
sturring this spoon till someone or ones rise to the top of the tird
pool. I will test you. If you don't like it I will fire your ass!

Oh ya,

If I see anyone wearing BLACK or if you are Black on June 19th YOU ARE
FIRED!

Have a safe day :)

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 14 June 2009

I tell you what.  I am so glad I have left this place..:0)  CSX is
horrible.  Their management needs to realize "The way you treat your
people is the type of work ethic you will get in return"!!!  Then the
low life union (other wise known as the UTU) took close to $400.00 out
of my vacation paycheck this week!!!!  And what the hell have they done
for me in the last 6 months besides tell me what they are trained to say
(they can do that, they can do that, they can do that, they can do
that,etc...over and over again)??  HELL, WHAT THE F DID THEY DO FOR ME
MY WHOLE 4 year CAREER???  Both the BLET and UTU are in the companies
left hand pocket!!!  That place is the biggest joke.  So I can not wait
to see what they take out of my second vacation paycheck for
6/19/09-6/27/09 but I will definitely keep you up to date on just how
much our (more like yours now) unions are low lives (UTU & BLE).  I
have said it before and I will say it again (like my mother said), That
place is for prison inmates who just got out of prison and looking for a
career!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  For you old guys and mid-career guys (and
gals), I understand, your putting in your time to get your pention. 
Most importantly, you started when this place was a GREAT place to work
at.  But you new guys??  What the hell are you thinking about?? 
Honestly??  This place is TTTHHHEEEEE biggest joke.  And what more
proof do you need when this site was sued by CSX and went to court and
this site/owner WON???  HHHEEELLLOOOOOOO????????  When you work for a
place that has a web site that goes in depth about how bad it is, then
that web site gets sued by the company, AND THEN THE WEB SITE WINS??? 
What more proof do you need that you are working for/in a bad
environment??  But I had a guy who worked in my terminal who was SHOT
(YES, GUN, SHOT) twice and out of service.  I thought you had to pass a
background check to get into this job??  Criminal background check at
that.  Again, that place was a joke and I could go on and on and on...I
just want to say, I made some great friendships at CSX among my
so-called brothers and sisters (BLT & UTU, just not the the reps
BECAUSE I WAS SMART).  And I hope the best for all of you
non-management people.  For you management people, I work M-F, make
just as much as you do, and you know where you can go.  Oh, by the way,
I do not get called at 2:00a.m. for a derailment caused by another
idiotic, inner-city kid by my a manager (Superintendant in your case)
and I do not get called period when I leave the office..LMAOOOO
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  And I am working M-F, do not get called by an
ignorant caller who my 7 year old's IQ is higher than, etc. (Again, ON
AND ON AND ON AND ON)...LMAO When it comes to CSX callers and
management, lets face it, it doesn't take much!!!LMAOOOOOO  By all
means, I am not bragging (just to CSX LOW LIFE MANAGEMENT)..  Good luck
to you older guys.  This is one (and an on-going) hell of a transition
you must be going through from your earlier years. For you younger
guys, get out while you can.  Realize the schooling/$4800 was a waste
and move on to another career.  I am now working for the gov't and I
am going to the aviation school of maintenance.  I plan on being a
mechanic in the aviation industry and having my engineering degree
within two years (80 credits to go)....:0)  Good luck and god
bless..:0)

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 12 June 2009

I have been reading this stuff, and I know now why I left Kentucky 40
years ago. Statements like I am doing the best I can. We are working
Hard to support your cause. We are a Boutique just 2 of us working as
hard as we can for YOU. Easy to say, Hard to really DO. Roots are deep
but these fuckers are just Suckers on the Host. I see them everyday,
they need to work and make a buck. Sorry, they will need to be more
creative.

Name: Marcus Cor Von
E-mail: marcus@gov.ab.ca
Employed as: Yard Master, for 30+ years
Posted: 12 June 2009

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Name: Steve Gordon
E-mail: sgordon@gordon-elias.com
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 09 June 2009

Dear Safety Strike-

I agree with EVERYTHING you said.

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Dear APE-

I took the liberty of posting your most important post here:
http://www.yardlimits.com/forums/ask-attorney-steve-gordon-gordon-elias-law-firm/13276-railroad-workers-united-june-19th.html#post123340

Our firm will be joining you all.
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Dear Just one more law firm searching for business????

I would ask that you not generalize please.

Steve

Name: Safety Strike
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 09 June 2009

Name: SAFETY STRIKE
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 08 June 2009

Steve, 

To answer your specific question, I would not select a law firm based
solely on whether that firm is Union designated, or not Union
designated. 

First and foremost, I would interview a lawyer to see is he or she has
had TRIAL EXPERIENCE - and plenty of actual trial experience - someone
who is FEARLESS, EXPERIENCED, AND PREPARED for ANY exigent
circumstance.   

ALSO, any firm that settles the vast majority of its cases out of court
and without a trial is VERY suspect in my book - settling the vast
majority of cases out of court without trial - particularly death cases
and asbestos/lung disease/brain cancer cases - to me raises  red flags
in that the firm is most likely a push-over for the Railroads, and
probably has very little trial experience - and most likely the injured
worker is not going to get the monetary award level, future medical
care, or job rehabilitation benefits  that he or she should be getting.
Getting the fast buck becomes the goal, rather than properly and
adequately representing the client. 

Firms that post big awards are are also suspect - it is a marketing
gimmick to lasso clients - in my book these firms are suspect from the
get go. I know a lot of FELA lawyers who got big jury verdict awards
for railroaders, and are still waiting a decade later for any money.
You can be a genius at winning a jury award - and toot your horn, but
then loose on appeal due to a simple jury instruction - or otherwise
fail to bring home a fair and justifiable settlement within a
reasonable time period.

(THE BIGGER PICTURE): lawyers - union authorized or otherwise - are a
necessary evil in the perpetually unsafe working conditions that are
perpetuated on the railroad - they get money to help ease the pain, but
don't do much to stop the existence of the unsafe condition that caused
the injury in the first place. The railroader gets injured, the
railroader gets money, the lawyer gets a cut of the settlement, and the
Railroad continues on its merry, unsafe, way.  (The case in point are
the thousands of cancer cases settled by CSX related to toxic chemical
exposure - its cheaper to kill us than to make us safe....) 

What we need are VAST improvements in working conditions, and
SUBSTANTIVE changes in accounting principles when it comes to balance
sheet classification of "labor".  Funny how Congress can pay
billions
in bonuses to crooked Wall Street Bankers, but spend NOT A PENNY on 
railroad infrastructure to improve workplace safety. Apparently, it is
cheaper to kill and maim us, than it is to make make the environment
safer for us to work in. It's cheaper to kill or maim us because we
are "costs" on the company balance sheet.  If railroad workers were
classified under accounting rules as "assets" on the balance sheet
instead of "costs",  it would be very different when it came to
spending money on improving the working conditions. It's easy to "pay
off"  a broken down "costly" worker, and replace him or her with
another inherently un-valuable "costly" worker, but it would be
corporate heresy to recklessly destroy or injure a worker if that
worker was accounted for as a million dollar "asset".
Not too much of a philosophical gap to overcome, except for hundreds of
years of Machiavellian management that has kept safety progress in the
workplace almost non-existent, which of course results in the stunting
of economic achievement, and the significant strangulation of
productivity along with a broken down quality of life.  
 
FELA lawyers are the best equipped and most intelligent people around
when it comes to knowledge about unsafe and unhealthy workplace
conditions on the railroads - they read the thousands of cases, know
the complex laws, understand the safety problems, and know the business
of politics within the administrative, judicial and legislative branches
of government. However, you rarely if ever see FELA union (or non-union)
lawyers take the Bully Pulpit and raise holy hell with Congress, or
lobby intensely for billions in capital funding to improve railroad
working conditions. No one is willing to take the bull by the horns.
Everyone is content to sit back and make money on the status quo of
unsafe railroad working conditions. Why rock the boat?    

Don't get me wrong.  Without FELA lawyers, railroaders would be at the
mercy of the carriers - the slaughter would be gruesome and grim. 

However, regardless of who the FELA firm is, no amount of money will
bring back a dead railroader, or give back the quality of life of an
injured railroader, or assauge the grief of the family whose father was
killed by reckless railroad management decisions and unsafe  working
conditions. 

I just happen to believe that the present system of compensating
injured railroad workers simply perpetuates the very root of the cause
of injuries - unsafe working conditions - from which FELA lawyers - and
Company lawyers for that matter -  make a whole lot of money.....and,
therein lies the problem......too many people making too much money off
a broken down system that does nothing to make the desparately needed
improvements in our presently unsafe and unhealthy working conditions.


Steve, it is not a simple answer to your question of who railroaders
like to pick as a lawyer - in the bigger picture, we are more concerned
with having a safe working environment - basically, we really do NOT
like being killed and injured in the first place.

Thanks for your interest in posting on this Board.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 09 June 2009

Steve, 

I think you can already see that you will receive different answers
from people as to what is important to them, not only concerning your
question about a union designated lawyer, but other concerns as well.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm going with a lawyer based on several
aspects. I want the lawyer to have deep pockets, proven trial
experience with positive trial results. I want to know the individual
on a professional level, so I really know what makes them tick and how
they think.

Some people who have replied to you are concerned about the amount of
time it has taken to settle. Others are concerned about settling on the
court house steps. Still others are concerned about a case being
assigned to the least experienced lawyer in a firm. 

Now I'll give you my opinion. Like the old saying goes everyone has
one, just like a asshole. I want deep pockets in the firm, so a quick
settlement won't have to be made by a lawyer because they are strapped
for cash. I want proven trial experience, with a lawyer who has a
reputation with winning cases. I also realize the railroads know who
these attorneys are and the settlement amount can go higher if it
doesn't go to court. I want a lawyer that can prove 100% negligence on
the railroads part. No 50/50 deal on contributable negligence. I want a
lawyer that is well spoken when explaining FELA law to a jury, if the
case goes to court. I want a lawyer who is going to consult me if a
offer is made outside of court, before excepting the offer. I also
don't want to be gouged, for expenses when the settlement is done. I
want a person that has integrity when dealing with me, but who is
ruthless enough to deal with the railroad and who puts me on the
meridian and lets no other factor influence going after the biggest
bang for the buck. I like to see the firm have an experienced
investigator, with loads of railroad experience. The type person that
knows how to accomplish the field work, that is many times crucial in a
positive outcome for the injured worker.

Now that I have said my say, it really doesn't matter to me if it is a
non union or union designated lawyer as long as they understand FELA law
and put the injured employee as top priority. 

I'm pushed for time this morning, so I said it fast and sweet. I may
have a few more comments in a few days.

Name: Steve Gordon
E-mail: sgordon@gordon-elias.com
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 08 June 2009

Dear Been Here too Long-

What did you say?

Steve

Name: Steve Gordon
E-mail: sgordon@gordon-elias.com
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 08 June 2009

Dear All- Thank you for the honest responses. I will tell you that we
work VERY hard and since there are only two lawyers in our "boutique"
law firm you've always got a named partner on your case (LOL!).
Seriously, I was hoping to get the responses I received. I think the
concept of unions, on paper, are a necessary thing. Lord knows the
company has your back alright...to stick a knife in it. So, Unions are
a necessary evil...sort of like lawyers! I must say whatever tune we
had to sing to get designated was the wrong one we chose. I swear I 
thought that (1) getting excellent results; (2) making sure the
railroader was only treated by Board Certified physicians; (3)
advancing money interest free [where ethically permitted to do so so
the client could pay their bills]; (4) giving the client the lawyer's
cell phone in case they NEED to talk to their lawyer; (5) never
settling more than one case ata time instead of "group case
settlements" and (6) busting the railroad's ass with a
'take-no-prisoner' mentality and approach would have been enough to
get our name in the hat. BUT I WAS WRONG!

So...here we are...not able to just call someone up when they are hurt
but having to wait till they call us. Please do not get me wrong, we
have good business. But I just needed to know that we had a fighting
chance in the minds' of railroaders without the designation.

Thanks again!

Name: Ed 
E-mail: edward.oliver@gmail.com
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for 1-10 years
Posted: 08 June 2009

Union Pacific is the same way.  Make a profit above all else.

Name: Steve Gordon
E-mail: sgordon@gordon-elias.com
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 07 June 2009

Dear All-

I have a question and since this is about as anonymous a place to post
as one can get in the railroad industry, I thought I would ask here so
here goes. As you probably are aware, our firm
http//www.gordon-elias.com is not Union Designated. That is, we do FELA
work but we were unable to do whatever the heck was necessary to get
anointed by a Union Designation from the "higher-ups". You can see
and hear my explanation at
http://www.gordon-elias.com/CM/Custom/Unions.asp as to what happened.
Here is my question: If you were hurt, would you consider hiring a
"non-union designated" FELA law firm? If not, why not and if so, why
so?

The courtesy of a straight answer would be GREATLY appreciated and
thank you.

Steve Gordon

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 07 June 2009

Hey RRJ

I'm not sure she can remember her age with all the booze and weed she
used...I think she's about 65.

Chief Justice John Roberts is the baby of the other Supremes, he's
only 54...we can enjoy his leadership for another 35 years or so!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 07 June 2009

NoMo

How old is Diana Ross? I know she's had at least 8 other Supremes
behind her.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 07 June 2009

Hey Safety Strike:

..."The Supremes are getting a little anal retentive if you ask me'.

Of the nine members, the three youngest are 54, 59 and 60 years old;
all appointed by Bush 1 and 2. The remaining 6 members range in age
from 69 - 89 years old.

All but 2 of the Justices ere nominated by Republican Presidents; which
is apparent by the decisions rendered over the last 20 or so years. Over
the last 20 years the Court has consistently (but not always) sided with
Conservatives (business), leaving Liberals (labor) to deal with the
brunt of the "Rule of Law".

Obama may have the opportunity to nominate 2 or 3 Justices, perhaps
swinging the Scales of Justice to a more neutral or even Liberal bent.
Although the Justices are suppose to be set aside their personal views,
political and religious, we all know this doesn't always happen. 

All-in-all the system works pretty well...what really astounds me is
that the Framers of the Constitution had the foresight to envision our
future and create a system which still works 233 years later.
        
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States

Name: Safety Strike
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 20-30 years
Posted: 06 June 2009

Thanks Steve Gordon for the additional information. A bit strange how
the Supreme Court can say a railroad worker with asbestosis needs to
prove a 'fear of cancer' when in 99% of cases where workers have
asbestosis they eventually die of cancer.  Sort of like asking a dog to
bark, or a cow to moo. The Supremes are getting a little anal retentive
if you ask me.

Name: old rr guy
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 05 June 2009

Haa.I gotta say. I do not beleive that most of the posters on here
actually work for the railroad.
On second thought some of the whining does sound vaguely familiar.
Example#1: "I can't believe they laid me off after only four
months."  C'Mon this guy can't be serious. I was laid off more than
I worked the first three years I was employed by Conrail. Then, as now
there was a huge recession on . No cars were being bought,steel mills
were closing up thus no steel was being made, etc, etc.Thousands of
cars and engines stored.Thousands laid off.
 Its a freight railroad. If the freight is down , theres no work. It is
not a mystery or someome playing a game with your life. No one put a gun
to your head to sign up. Get used to the lousy hours, and sporadic work,
you will be living it with no seniority.Otherwise, hang it up and do
something else.They are not going to treat you like anything other than
an hourly employee. You will not like some of the people you work with.
Sorry to rain on your parade. Its a business , not a jobs program.Feel
bad for the guys in Buffalo where I started. I am surprised they
didn't close down most of the Frontier operation a lot sooner, after
the 99 split with NS

Name: Steve Gordon
E-mail: sgordon@gordon-elias.com
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 04 June 2009

Dear Sam, Z, Safety Strike and All Others That Are Interested-

I apologize for not responding sooner. I posted the Press Release and
just checked back just now [0018HRS---06/04/09]. 

Anyway, I would like to point out that it was not our firm that handled
any part of this case. I think that the underlying firm did an admirable
job to get a $5  million dollar JURY award. I have only had one in my
professional career and I can tell you they are very hard to get no
matter what the damages. So, in that sense, they are to be commended. 

I was not at the trial and I am only speaking from conjecture. However,
having said that, I would like to point out some basic trial "truths"
that go through a trial lawyer's wacked out brain.

It is hard enough to get a verdict that is sizeable, you kind of want
to do everything you can at the trial level to hold on to it when it is
appealed. The general consensus on the modus operandi of the railroads
are that, anytime you get a sizeable verdict, they will appeal. Hence,
protecting your trial record is an all important process ever-present
in the back of a trial lawyer's brain during the entire process
including, but certainly not limited to, (1)juror selection, (2)medical
causation issues [usually dealing with the famous Daubert case, and its
progeny, at the federal level], (3)the sufficiency of evidence to
support the individual elements of damages, (4)the sufficiency of
liability evidence and, (5)as in the CSX v. Hensley case, the wording
of the charge. 

Obviously, CSX prepared the "genuine and serious" instruction and the
Plaintiff's counsel argued against it. Sometimes, just to protect your
verdict, you will actually let the defendant's proposed instruction go
to the jury. This is when you truly believe you've got the jury and
there is almost no instruction that will persuade them not to go with
you. This is only a call that the trial lawyer can make. The general
rule is to try to submit a "plaintiff's favorable" charge and the
defense submits their "defendant's favorable" charge and the Court
makes up its mind after hearing argument of counsel [and maybe, if
you're lucky, actually reading the law]. 

The CSX lawyers read Ayers as "requiring" the extra instruction, I
could easily see how the Plaintiff's lawyer could have been worried
that its inclusion could have been an obstacle for the jury to award
big damages. It was a call he/she made and they won...at least till it
got to the Supreme Court level.

From reading the CSX v. Hensley case, Hensley had asbestosis from a
long term exposure from working on the railroad. A reading of the Ayers
opinion reveals:

“Norfolk presented the question whether a plaintiff who has asbestosis
but not cancer can recover damages for fear of cancer under the FELA
with-out proof of physical manifestations of the claimed emotional
distress. Our answer is yes, with an important reservation. We affirm
only the qualification of an asbestosis sufferer to seek compensation
for fear of cancer as an element of his asbestosis-related pain and
suffering damages. It is incumbent upon such a complainant, however, to
prove that his alleged fear is genuine and serious.” Norfolk v. Ayers,
at 157, 123 S.Ct. 1210

After reading the above, if you had been Hensley's counsel, would you
have vehemently argued for its exclusion? How about if you knew that,
if it was excluded, that you would risk a reversal on appeal....would
you still argue for its exclusion? .......Tough call isn't it?

I can not fault the trial lawyer in this decision. 

I do have one issue that I would like to raise. There are many articles
on the following point and they go either way. There is, I believe, a
consensus of opinion of good trial lawyers that your 'bigger' awards
are usually found with a general damage submission rather than specific
damage questions. I will be more specific so you will understand. In
some instances you can submit to the jury damage questions like this:
"'What sum of money, if paid now in cash, do you award for medical
expenses, loss of wages, loss of earning capacity, physical pain and
suffering, mental anguish, physical impairment, physical
disfigurement'  Answer in Dollars & Cents $__________" 

OR, one could submit it this way: "'What sum of money, if paid now in
cash, do you award for medical expenses $_________, loss of wages and/or
loss of earning capacity $_____________, physical pain and suffering
$__________, mental anguish $___________, physical impairment
$__________, physical disfigurement $________' Answer in Dollars &
Cents."  The latter way permits the trial court, or the appellate
court, to take away one element with out disturbing the remainder of
the award. The Hensley case was a general/broad submission and,
therefore, there was no way for the Supreme Court to determine what
part of the $5 million was attributed to the "fear of cancer" award.
Once, the Supreme Court determined the CSX proffered instruction should
have been given, the ENTIRE case had to be reversed and remanded. This
could have been different. 

Once again, the general belief among trial lawyers that are worth a
damn is that bigger awards are found in the one damge line approach
BUT......when CSX was denied an instruction that arguably should have
been given, don't you think the trial lawyer might have "re-visited"
the one line submission before it went to the jury?

Well, I  do not know if any of the above helps understand this case a
little better. 

I think it was Sam that said something like "Whats the bottom line?"
Here it is: A FELA claimant that seeks 'fear of cancer' monetary
damages needs to put on evidence that his/her fear is 'genuine and
serious' AND submit an 'instruction' worded as such.

I do not believe you have to have psychological/psychiatric testimony
but I know, if I had a client where this was an issue, I would damn
sure make sure the client visited with a a psyche doctor so they could
testify how genuine and serious the fear is.

Ya'll take care out there and be safe.

Steve
http://www.gordon-elias.com

ps-the Hensley opinion can be downloaded at:

http://www.yardlimits.com/forums/legal-news-announcements/12920-csx-v-thursten-hensley-signiificant-u-s-sup-ct-court-fela-decision.html

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 04 June 2009

http://www.grimmemennesker.dk/ugly-people-517.htm

Sam's Mommy, who a donkey wouldn't do. So how did Sam get here?

After taking a good crap she reached in the toilet and pulled out one
of the Cosby kids, naming him Sam.

The other brother became famous as Mr. Hanky, while Sam spent all his
furlough time as a Internet junkie.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 03 June 2009

I like it. Bog this website down with cut and pasting. Maybe the poster
is tired of the BS of certian people who like C&P critizing every
person's point of view. Keep up the good work.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 03 June 2009

Get the point yet.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 03 June 2009

(Norfolk Southern issued the following on June 1, 2009.)

NORFOLK, Va. — On the 10th anniversary of Norfolk Southern
Corporation's acquisition of nearly 60 percent of Conrail, CEO Wick
Moorman today thanked customers, suppliers, stockholders, communities,
and employees for their hard work and support.

"On Day One -- June 1, 1999 -- we set out to build the best freight
transportation system in the world," Moorman said. "We have made
steady progress toward that goal, and together we have enjoyed a decade
of growth and financial success. All of us at Norfolk Southern are
grateful to everyone who has played a part in this success, and we look
forward to what the next decade brings."

Since Day One, when Norfolk Southern added 7,200 miles of Conrail
routes and 10,000 former Conrail employees to its system, the railroad
has moved 3.5 trillion gross ton-miles of freight. A single train of
every carload NS hauled in the last decade could stretch to the moon
and back twice -- and then some.

In order to meet increased demand and better serve customers, NS over
that period has invested nearly $10 billion in capital expenditures to
improve track, equipment, facilities, and technology. In new rail
alone, NS installed the equivalent of a brand new transcontinental
railroad.

NS' industrial development activities since Day One resulted in the
location or expansion of 1,115 industries along the railroad's lines,
representing customer investments of $23.6 billion and creating nearly
55,000 customer jobs in the territory served by the railroad.

The Conrail transaction returned competitive rail service to the
Northeast for the first time in 20 years. NS sharpened its focus on
customer service markedly following the transaction -- especially
through its Thoroughbred Operating Plan -- and today is the industry's
service benchmark.

Most important, it all has been done safely. NS employees have earned
the E.H. Harriman Memorial Gold Medal as the safest railroad workers in
the U.S. for each of the last 20 years.

"The numbers tell an impressive story, but as satisfying as it is to
see how far we've come, it's more exciting to look ahead," Moorman
said. "Our progress has given us the strength to weather the current
economic storm. This recession will pass, and the long-term future for
rail as the safe, clean, and fuel-efficient transportation alternative
has never been brighter. NS is ready to take advantage of the
opportunities that a recovering economy will bring. Ten years from now,
along with our partners, we will look back again with amazement at how
far we've come together."

Norfolk Southern Corporation (NYSE: NSC) is a leading North American
transportation provider. Its Norfolk Southern Railway subsidiary
operates approximately 21,000 route miles in 22 states and the District
of Columbia, serves every major container port in the eastern United
States, and provides efficient connections to other rail carriers.
Norfolk Southern operates the most extensive intermodal network in the
East and is a major transporter of coal and industrial products.


Tuesday, June 02, 2009

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 03 June 2009

Railroad accidents have terrible consequences, safety advocates say 
(The following story by Nicole Printz appeared on the Abilene Recorder
Chronicle website on June 2, 2009. T.A. LaCombe is a member of BLET
Division 261 in Herington, Kan.)

ABILENE, Texas — When people think of train collisions, they generally
think of train crossings.

Thomas LaCombe, Union Pacific train engineer and a presenter for
Operation Lifesaver, is raising awareness about trespassing incidents.
Operation Lifesaver had a car crushed in a train collision and displays
at Flour Power Family Fun Fest this past weekend. LaCombe stressed the
importance of railroad safety in Abilene.

“There are two major railroad companies that run though Abilene,” he
said.

The multiple tracks through Abilene increase the risk for train
collisions, either at crossings or trespassing incidents.

“Railroads are private property,” he said. “Almost everyone crosses
railways at some point. There were 2,000 people killed on the rail
right of ways last year.”

In Kansas last year nine people were injured and four people killed on
railroad property, according to the Federal Railroad Association.

LaCombe explained that many people do not think that fishing on a
railroad bridge or walking on tracks is trespassing.

The only legal place to cross a railroad track is at designated public
crossings.
Children are often fascinated with trains and will cross underneath
stopped trains.

LaCombe was starting a train and noticed movement in the rearview
mirrors. There were three children playing underneath the cars. If he
hadn’t noticed them, the children probably would have been severely
injured or killed.

“Don’t set things on the track. A railroad spike set on the track can
derail a train,” LaCombe said. “If the train is carrying federal
property and is derailed it becomes a federal incident.” 

Coins placed on the tracks can be flung with great speed when run over,
potentially injuring someone.

Drivers make poor decisions that lead to accidents as well.

“The railroads have their own police,” he explained. “If I see someone
go around the gates I am required to report that.”

Going around crossing gates is illegal, and you can be ticketed even if
the gates have been down for several days. If gates are down for no
apparent reason, look on the crossbuck or near the crossing for the
toll free number posted near every crossing.

Trains can crush cars as easily as a car can crush a pop can.

“If your car dies on the tracks, walk toward the direction the train is
coming from.” LaCombe said. “If you walk the other way, the train could
knock your car into you.”

“There are no accidents with trains,” executive director Darlene
Osterhaus said. “The train doesn’t come off the tracks and hunt you
down.”

LaCombe is available for free presentations for children and adults
interested in learning more about train safety. Visit www.oli.org or
call 1-800-537-6224 to schedule a presentation.


Tuesday, June 02, 2009

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 03 June 2009

Heads up new employees!!!
Unless you have at least 7-10 years of service, time to dust off the
old resumes... CSX plans to continue running on skeleton crews thru the
July hours of service law change, and if they can still move their
trains... yup, you guessed it... MORE FURLOUGHS!!!

Get out now while you can...

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 20-30 years
Posted: 03 June 2009

Mr. Gordon, could you please respond to Safety STike's request about
providing more info on the Hensley case?  


Name: SAFETY STRIKE 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 03 June 2009

Nice WSJ article, Z, but we need to hear MUCH more in the way of
specifics from the law firm that handled the case.   

We need to know more of the facts of Mr. Hensley's case. He had brain
cancer (?) and lung cancer (asbestosis) from exposure to toxic
chemicals....what chemicals? How much exposure? What was the causative
connection? . He had cancer(?),  or he had symptoms of it (?), or he
had a fear of the symptoms (?), or he had a fear of pending death from
cancer, or.....something else was pleaded?  It makes a difference. It
is odd that the Court would not consider that Hensley had no fear of
cancer (or a fear of dying for that matter) if he had no present
ongoing stage one cancer. 

The Ayers standard for fear of cancer was 'proof of their
apprehension of developing lung cancer in the future', which
indicated
that one did not need to actually have cancer, but had symptoms that
could lead to cancer (plural plaques, cysts, high white cell blood
count) but not actual cancer itself.  Is the court saying something
different?  Is there now a higher standard based on something else? If
so, what is that something else? What is the legal standard now for
fear of cancer under FELA? Higher than merely apprehension, or
apprehensions with associated predictive medical conditions.  What is
the standard now for 'genuine and serious'?.  How high is  the
standard?. What would be threshhold examples? Is there a balancing
test? What did Ayers say that the Court relied upon - or did not rely
upon? 

Fear of cancer is fairly common in asbestos cases, and the standard is
not "high".....seems like the FELA plaintiffs lawyers may have left
the door open for a company friendly conservative court to come in and
restate the rule of law.  Why is FELA different from any other
non-FELA
fear of cancer case where brain cancer and asbestos related cancer are
at issue?   

CSX argued that the instructions given to the jury were too friendly
to
Mr. Hensley - the jurors were ot instructed that  Hensley
needed to demonstrate that his fear of cancer was genuine and serious.
How so?   Is it simply a matter of issuing a jury instruction, or does
plaintiff have to add additional facts to prove his case?

"Although plaintiffs can seek fear-of-cancer damages in some...cases,
they must satisfy a high standard in order to obtain them,". Ok,
great.  Ok, so again, what exactly meets the Court's definition of a
"high standard" when seeking fear of cancer damages.  

Did Hensley win on other aspects of his case?  What were they? Did he
prove that his cancers (?) were caused to his exposure to toxic
chemicals and to asbestos?  

Anything else this law firm can SPECIFICALLY tell us about the case
would be EXTREMELY beneficial to every single railraod worker employed
by CSX as well as the other carriers.

We may be railroard workers, but we read these cases, and we like to
know exactly what is going on.  

Thanks.

Name: z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 03 June 2009

Court rules for CSX in worker-injury case 
WASHINGTON -- The U.S. Supreme Court Monday (June 1) threw out a $5
million jury verdict awarded to a former CSX Corp. railroad worker who
alleged that he had been negligently exposed to toxic chemicals and
asbestos on the job, which caused him to develop brain injuries and
asbestosis, a lung disease. 
Among other things, Tennessee railroad worker Thurston Hensley sought
monetary damages for a fear of developing cancer in the future, The
Wall Street Journal reported. 

CSX argued that the instructions given to the jury were too friendly to
Mr. Hensley. The company wanted jurors to be instructed that Mr. Hensley
needed to demonstrate that his fear of cancer was genuine and serious. 

The Supreme Court, in an unsigned opinion, ruled 7-2 that it was a
"clear error" for the trial judge not to give the jury instructions
CSX requested. 

"Although plaintiffs can seek fear-of-cancer damages in some...cases,
they must satisfy a high standard in order to obtain them," the
court's majority said. 

In dissent, Justice John Paul Stevens said, "As a practical matter, it
is hard to believe the jury would have awarded any damages for
Hensley's fear of cancer if it did not believe that fear to be genuine
and serious." 

The Supreme Court decided the case without requesting a full legal
briefing or hearing oral arguments, a sign that a majority of the
justices believed the lower-court ruling was clearly wrong. 

The high court sent the case back for new court proceedings. 

CSX didn't immediately respond to a request for comment. 

(The preceding article by Brent Kendall was published June 1, 2009, by
The Wall Street Journal.)

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 02 June 2009

Mr. Gordon, 
The Supreme Court opinion is most interesting, but could you possibly
put it into the context of the King's English so that the majority of
non-lawyers on this site can understand what the case means to them? Is
the ruling applicable to asbestos disease cases only, or also to toxic
chemicals, fumes, and exhaust as well.   Is it just lung cancer, or
does the fear of cancer extend to all types of cancer. Does a worker
have to prove that he or she has stage one carcinoma, or is it enough
to simply know that you have had exposure to a target group of
carcinogenic causing chemicals to be at risk of cancer, thus have a
"genuine and serious" fear of cancer?   

Much appreciated.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 02 June 2009

Hey Sam,  Z the Chicken Pecker has been awful quiet lately. Think he's
hiding out in the Coop? Those YouTube films of his moma with that
donkey musta been too much for the poor fella - now he knows who his
daddy is. LOL

Name: Steve Gordon
E-mail: sgordon@gordon-elias.com
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 02 June 2009

***PRESS RELEASE***


Significant Decision Affecting 
Rights of Injured FELA Workers


On Monday, June 1st, the United States Supreme Court decided a case
styled CSX Transportation, Inc. v Thurston Hensley 2009 WL 1506680
(U.S. June 1, 2009)).  This case demonstrated the conservativeness of
the Supreme Court, and their determination to exclude injured workers
from recovering.

The Supreme Court relied heavily upon a previously decided case, i.e.,
Norfolk & Western R. Co. v Ayers (538 U.S. 135). Ayers held that a
plaintiff may recover for fear of cancer if he proves his fear is
‘genuine and serious’.  Once the plaintiff has provided proof of their
apprehension of developing lung cancer in the future, the law will
provide compensation for those damages.

At issue in the Hensley case was whether it was proper for the trial
court to deny CSX its requested juror instructions.  CSX requested the
following instruction to be part of the charge: 

Charge One stated the basic requirements to obtain damages under Ayers.
Plaintiff is also alleging that he suffers from a compensable fear of
cancer. In order to recover, Plaintiff must demonstrate that the fear
is genuine and serious.”  

Hensley first sued CSX in Tennessee state court. At the close of the
trial, CSX requested an instruction that Hensley needed to have shown
his fear of getting cancer was genuine and serious. The trial court
refused to allow the instruction. The Tennessee Court of Appeals
affirmed, stating that they saw no purpose in instructing the jurors.
If the jurors did not believe the plaintiff was genuine and serious in
his fears, then little to no damages would be awarded to him.  

The Hensley court held the ruling of the Tennessee Court of Appeals and
the refusal of the trial court to give the juror instructions were clear
error.  In Ayers, the Court expressly recognized that several “verdict
control devices” were available to the trial court when a FELA
plaintiff sought fear-of-cancer damages.  One of the verdict control
devices included that on a defendant's request, each plaintiff must
prove any alleged fear to be genuine and serious.  In Hensley, the
trial court erred when it refused CSX’s request for a juror instruction
on the genuine-and-serious standard of Hensley’s fear of cancer claim.

The Hensley Court held that instructing the jury on fear of cancer
damages would have been worthwhile.  Given the fact that the cancer
claim could have the potential to “evoke raw emotions” among the jurors
made the need for a juror instruction on the legal standard even more
vital. The Hensley Court somehow felt the need to bring up the numerous
asbestos cases pending as a way of justifying the estimation of damages
for plaintiffs. Their choice to bring up the cases was irrelevant and
unnecessary. 

An interesting aspect to this case is found in the dissent. Justice
Stevens, who had voted to affirm the Supreme Court decision in Ayers,
displayed his contempt for the decision in this case.  He stated that
the new ruling authorized a fresh review of the jury’s damages award.
Yet, as a matter of practicality, he noted that the jury would only
award the amount of damages they felt was necessary.  Justice Stevens
further pointed out that CSX did not attack the $5 million dollar award
as excessive. In that light, he further demonstrated that CSX did not
request the trial court to ask the jury to award damages for each
element of recovery. Had CSX done this, and the trial court had
complied, then CSX’s challenge would only have gone to the amount
awarded to the ‘fear of cancer’ amount and the entire verdict would not
have had to have been thrown out. 

The Hensley Court’s decision to reverse and remand the case rests on
the language in footnote 19 of the Ayers opinion. The footnote states:

“In their prediction that adhering to the line drawn in Gottshall and
Metro-North will, in this setting, bankrupt defendants, the dissents
largely disregard, inter alia, the verdict control devices available to
the trial court. These include, on a defendant's request, a charge that
each plaintiff must prove any alleged fear to be genuine and serious,
review of the evidence on damages for sufficiency, and particularized
verdict forms.” Id., at 159, n. 19 

The Hensley Court broadly interpreted the footnote, finding that
anytime a defendant demanded an instruction, it must be given when
involving fear of cancer. 

In contrast, Justice Stevens held that on the footnote’s face it merely
points out that a defendant has the right to request a
genuine-and-serious instruction, and if requested, the instruction is
available to the trial court. It does not suggest that all instructions
should be granted. 

The Hensley majority opinion deviated from Ayers stare decisis. The
Court’s opinion, more than anything, will generate confusion regarding
the Ayers case. The Ayers case had already suffered multiple
interpretations by the courts. Given the opportunity to provide clarity
to the holding of Ayers, the Hensley Court failed to meet this
objective. In their rush to reverse the Tennessee Court of Appeals,
they failed to correctly interpret Ayers and eliminate the confusion
that plagued many courts.

The Hensley opinion leaves the reader wondering why the Supreme Court
failed to recognize the rights of workers who labor across America.
This conservative approach greatly diminishes a worker’s ability to
recover damages.

###

Gordon & Elias, L.L.P., represents clients in all aspects of personal
injury and wrongful death. They are a boutique law firm with a
nationwide practice focusing on FELA (http://www.gordon-elias.com),
Jones Act-Admiralty-Maritime Law (http://www.offshoreinjuries.com) and
the associated Jones Act Blog (http://www.JonesActQuestions.com)  and
Trucking Accident Litigation (http://www.truckaccidentlaw.org). Gordon
& Elias, L.L.P., was formed in 2000. Attorneys Steve Gordon and R. Todd
Elias bring over 39 years of combined experience to the representation
of their clients. The firm has the experience and resources to pursue
recovery from large corporate defendants and/or their insurers.

###

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 02 June 2009

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 31 May 2009

Cond 30+

Bullschidt. I spent many a day and night stuck on that locomotive in
90+ degree weather while the yard foreman and the two switchmen took
turns going into an air condition shack with only one of them on the
lead. The engineer was the only person to work continiously the entire
shift. That's goes for the road also. The conductor and flagmen was
cozy in their caboose sleeping or just going for a scenic ride in the
cupolo and the head brakemen was no different. While the engineer was
the only person to work continiously. Give me a
break.XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
My man you are exactly RIGHT, and when it really got COLD you were the
one sitting in front of the radiator, when it was raining old man you
were sitting in a nice dry spot, when you slipped off they walked the
train to give you a signal, to keep it off the radio. They covered all
of your knuckels, supported you and told everyone how good you were.
Thanks for trying to shove it, not gonna fly XXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX


As for engineers with 20+ years or more flowing back to run a remote I
know of several that did it. We beat you people everytime at least we
already have a sense of proper switching and coupling speeds ect...

The UTU with the remote shoved it up everyones arse with a hand job
agreement for 40 minutes. How's it feel to see those remote jobs down
to one man? Switchmen & engineers who spent their entire career in the
yard are now forced to the road. All we hear is bitching from those
yardmen their quality of life diminished. All this from the
screwUTU.XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
BLE is still bitching because they did not get the RCO. None of them
could qualify!

Name: Fight the Power
E-mail: 
Employed as: Corporate office, for 30+ years
Posted: 02 June 2009

SOMEONE BETTER KISS MY ASS VERY QUICKLY OR HEADS WILL ROLL. 

Fight the Power.

Name: SAm
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 02 June 2009

Name: Z
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 30 May 2009
Just got off the phone with a CSX guy. I understand that within 30 days
reimbursement checks will be deposited over the FMLA issue.
****************************************************************
Posted by Kung Foo Chicken Pecker (z) - voice of Rank and File.  LMAO.

Name: lemonhead
E-mail: 
Employed as: CSX Contractor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 02 June 2009

dude don't do that if you need to talk call me i'am for real
850-232-6347 terrance

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 01 June 2009

You think "Fight the Power" and BR Boggs are related?

Name: Fight The Power
E-mail: 
Employed as: Corporate office, for 30+ years
Posted: 01 June 2009

NoMo?

AS IN "NO MO MUNY"

WERE GONNA FIRE EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU, AND HIRE CHINESE IMMIGRANTS PART
TIME TEMPORARY NO BENEFITS AND YOU BITCHES WILL PUCKER UP AND FALL IN
LINE. 

GONNA HAVE TA GIT YER SHOE SHINE KIT ALL FIRED UP THERE, BOY. 

FIGHT THE POWER.

Name: fedup
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 01 June 2009

I want to start saying that I feel for all those cutoff, when I first
hired I was on here preaching one union, we need to form 1 union, and
as time progressed, I realized just what all the whiskers were saying
were true-aint gonna happen. While there are alot of good men out here,
greed prevails and it always will and csx as well as the unions know
this. This place is just a place to vent and talk a good game,
solidarity we dont have. To all the guys cut off, find other work and
learn from this, for all those working, watch ur back and you brothers,
I hear snakes are bad right now!

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 31 May 2009

We have recently discovered, a video clip of Sam's Grandfather.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHF558u6Q_8&feature=PlayList&p=B0E45CEE4E8E8036&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=1

As you can see Grand Dad was a sham also.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 31 May 2009

Sir, fuck you, sir!

Name: Fight the Power
E-mail: 
Employed as: Corporate office, for 30+ years
Posted: 31 May 2009

THAT'S MORE LIKE IT. 

YOUR PROMOTED TO THE SHOE SHINE DETAIL. 

NOW GET BACK TO WORK AND THE NAME AINT MASTA ITS "SIR". 

AS IN "YES, SIR", "NO SIR". 

FIGHT THE POWER

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 31 May 2009

Don't beat me, Mastuh. Toby be a good nigga!!!

Name: Fight the Power
E-mail: 
Employed as: Corporate office, for N/A
Posted: 31 May 2009

READ THE LAST POST AND YOU WILL UNDERSTAND ME WHEN I SAY YOU PEOPLE ARE
MORONS.  ALWAYS SNIPING AND FIGHTING EACH OTHER.  

YOUR DEAD MEAT.  
WE ARE GOING TO EAT YOU ALIVE.  THE BLET AND THE UTU ARE TOAST ON THE
NEXT CONTRACT.  WERE GONNA PUT YOU BOTH IN A CAGE AND SELL TICKETS TO
WATCH THE DESTRUCTION.   

LOOSERS.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 31 May 2009

Cond 30+

Bullschidt. I spent many a day and night stuck on that locomotive in
90+ degree weather while the yard foreman and the two switchmen took
turns going into an air condition shack with only one of them on the
lead. The engineer was the only person to work continiously the entire
shift. That's goes for the road also. The conductor and flagmen was
cozy in their caboose sleeping or just going for a scenic ride in the
cupolo and the head brakemen was no different. While the engineer was
the only person to work continiously. Give me a break.  

As for engineers with 20+ years or more flowing back to run a remote I
know of several that did it. We beat you people everytime at least we
already have a sense of proper switching and coupling speeds ect...

The UTU with the remote shoved it up everyones arse with a hand job
agreement for 40 minutes. How's it feel to see those remote jobs down
to one man? Switchmen & engineers who spent their entire career in the
yard are now forced to the road. All we hear is bitching from those
yardmen their quality of life diminished. All this from the screwUTU.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 30 May 2009

Just got off the phone with a CSX guy. I understand that within 30 days
reimbursement checks will be deposited over the FMLA issue.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 30 May 2009

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 30 May 2009

The UTU did not steal the remote from the Brotherhood of Railroad
Engineers and Truckdrivers. 90% of the work is trainman's work, the
rest is just making the engine go back an forth and stop.

[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[

If you believe the UTU, the union of buss and taxi drivers didn't
steal the work, you are sadly mistaken. Your 90% figure is inaccurate
also.

Before the ink was dry the carriers were bragging that the taxi driver
union wasn't even smart enough to ask for a minimum of two people on a
crew in the agreement. The Engineers took a screwing and the trainmen
took a screwing, all by the buss driver union.

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 30 May 2009

Con +30

When the UTU got suckered into taking the remotes I bet CSX management
was laughing all the way to the bank.  You think they didn't know
eventually they could get rid of one of the conductors on that job and
just make them 1 man jobs?  The UTU wanted to get something from the
BLE so bad that they ended up screwing themselves right in the keester
when they kicked the engineers.  Now, if someone negotiating our UTU
contracts actually had a brain...(or maybe they were getting their
pockets stuffed), wouldn't they question CSX's alterior motives?  Now
here we are, May of 2009, and we have men dying over these assinine
decisions made by some boneheads we pay dues too every month.  If CSX
doesn't have the UTU in their pocket I'd be very surprised.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 30 May 2009

The UTU did not steal the remote from the Brotherhood of Railroad
Engineers and Truckdrivers. 90% of the work is trainman's work, the
rest is just making the engine go back an forth and stop.

Name: Boogie Man
E-mail: 
Employed as: Train Master/ supervisor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 30 May 2009

I know who you are. Im gonna get you.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 30 May 2009

I would love to see Just one Engineer with 20 years work a remote with a
crew of 1(him self). Sorry make that 10 years or less. They would never
show up, and if they did it would be really funny. Not a one could do
it, however the UTU stole the remote from the BLE.

However the MRL is doing it with 2 folks, they are all BLE. No one
person stuff that will not work.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 30 May 2009

Now we are old farts and he isn't. He has 30 years service as a
engineer and is not a old fart. LMFAO. Sam the cut off brakey less than
1. I see you MPD is kicking in today.

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 30 May 2009

Sorry old farts. 

You will just have to accept the fact that there are more people on the
railroad who post here than just you two retired throttle jockies.  

Shouldn't you guys be taking an afternoon nap or something? 

Say, Chicken Pecker.  I hear Kentucky Fried Chicken has an opening for
a fryer - you'd fit the bill perfectly.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 29 May 2009

Hey Loco 30+:

Yeah, you know you right...remember that Sally Field movie from the mid
70's, Sybil; about the young woman with 13 personalities? See any
similarities?

Before Sam, there was maybe 15 regulars and an occasional guest. Since
Sam, there's been a steady stream of guests...mostly new hires, but an
occasion old head, some of which have become fairly regular.

Like any good Doctor, I will reply to each individually.

Hey RRJ...it's good to be immortal, as you know I've been immortal
for several years now but it hurts more every day. 

Oh, by the way, if you need the name of a good sculptor, let me
know...he's really good at proportions!

Maybe I should change my name to Adonis!

Name: Sam 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 29 May 2009

Stayin' alive: Visit safety task force Web page 

With railroad employee on-duty fatalities and career-ending injuries
soaring, UTU International President Mike Futhey recently appointed a
four-person safety task force to craft, in conjunction with the FRA, an
action plan to reduce rail-employee risk while on the job.

Leading the safety task force is UTU Assistant Arizona State
Legislative Director Greg Hynes, who will work with UTU Arizona State
Legislative Director Scott Olson, Arkansas State Legislative Director
Steve Evans and Michigan State Legislative Director Jerry Gibson. 

The effectiveness of the safety task force requires communication with
UTU members who work in the yards and aboard trains. 

To ensure two-way communication, a new Web page has been created to
provide updates on the work of the safety task force and permit UTU
members to contact the safety task force with suggestions, information
on workplace safety hazards and questions. 

Members should also advise their state legislative directors of
workplace safety hazards.

On the lower right of the UTU home page, at www.utu.org, a button has
been created, providing a direct link to the safety task force's Web
page. 

Portions of the page remain under construction, but a link already is
provided permitting members to e-mail suggestions, information on
workplace safety hazards, and questions. 

The page also provides quick links to UTU Designated Legal Counsel,
state legislative directors and general chairpersons. 

A complete listing of UTU members who have been killed in the line of
duty this year also will be added.

As safety task force recommendations are made, they will be posted as
alerts on the safety task force Web page, and also e-mailed to UTU
members who sign up for UTU e-mail alerts. 

If you are not already signed up for e-mail alerts, register at:

www.utu.org/worksite/InfoIndex.cfm. 

Please visit the safety task force's new Web page, whose purpose is to
help ensure you return home from the job alive and in one piece.

Click on the button on the UTU home page, or use this Web address to
reach the safety task force's new Web page:

www.utu.org/worksite/rail_safety_taskforce/safety_taskforce_home.htm.
 
May 28, 2009

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 29 May 2009

You are a shit pot full of people you deranged chicken molester.
Just like your a engineer with 30. LOL.

Take me up on the offer. Let the webmaster tell you how many people
NoMo, RRJ and I am. Then let him tell us how many people Sam is. LMFAO.
The third time I've asked you to do this and got no answers. 
I say your full of shit. Chicken shit.

Name: sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 29 May 2009

Loco, I am not George anymore than you are Pinnochio. 

UTU has flashed up a new Unsafe Working Conditions hot line on their
web site, www.UTU.org....Isn't achieving progress on stopping unsafe
working conditions more important than trying to figure out who I am? 
Your self consumption is paranoia running wild, dude.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 29 May 2009

George hell, you know who your talking to NoMo. Just call him Sam and
you will have it correct.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 10-20 years
Posted: 29 May 2009

I think the worst thing we could do is strike. That would give CSX the
go ahead to get rid of us and replace us with non union employees with
half the wages no benefits etc...there is no unity anywhere that I have
seen....you cant even get people to stop answering calls for overtime
let alone strike.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 29 May 2009

Hey George:

Is this the Horse's Ass you're talking about?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hzFrA1T7VQ&feature=PlayList&p=1FCA3ECFB9020BF6&index=0

Name: anabelle
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 28 May 2009

The conductor's just had a great opportunity to "strike". They pulled
alot of jobs off over the memorial day holiday and everyone rushed right
in and marked up. I think the trainmen could have gotten their attention
with a little unity.

Name: lemon head
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 28 May 2009

in june the hours of service law will kick in and help right???

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 28 May 2009

Lloyd

I don't think the attitude of management is going change in the near
future. I see the NS won the coveted Harriman Award for the 20th year
in a row. CSX came in 2nd place. I guess Tony Ingrams bullschidt isn't
working. NS still accomplished better results without Tony's neo-nazi
style of management. How can people be totally safe when their always
looking over their shoulder? TM's hiding in the bushes. I never
thought it would happen especially on the C&O side. 

Most of my peers who are within a 5 years or less of retirement age
have come up with the conclusion we like micro-management. It brings
job security for the few conventional yard jobs left and makes us
money. A 45 min-1 hr move is now 4-5 hrs with micro-management nothing
ever gets done. It's constantly changing it might take 3 days before
the job you started gets completed. Same as the road switchers it might
take 3 crews to get the train to it's destination. Ya got to find it
humorous. 

Unfortunately nothing will bring back those furloughed till business
resumes to a pre-recession/depression pace. Slowing things down might
get a trickle effect on a few recalls. I think you posted on here
something that CSX will work a skeleton crew to death. I'm seeing more
people unassigned which isn't good. They keep cutting down freight
pools when I check I see only a few in terminal. Those still working
are not getting proper rest at home. The trickle down effect has cut
back enginers working remotes. We even had a few engineers that made a
career of the yard flow back and get qualified on the remotes. If you
can't beat them join them.

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 27 May 2009

Nomo, the guys from CSX would only really need one other major railroad
to strike with us and thats the N&S.  Those are the two major lines of
rail on the east coast so even if the BNSF and UP didn't decide to
join up as long as we had them it would be a huge success.  Also, you
know it and I know it...if we all actually did decide to strike, it
would definitely last for more than 24 hours.  I think it would take
major changes to get all the guys back to work if it got to that point.
 They could threaten until the cows come home but we all know if we
don't work then there would be major chaos in the yards and on the
line of road.  I just think its too bad we all have to be at this point
with the company where we feel like striking is possible. If they would
just get better management in there and start treating their employees
like human beings instead of cattle the conversation wouldn't even be
going on.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 1-10 years
Posted: 27 May 2009

According to my LC a nationwide safety strike is going to be announced
any time. 


No room for anti-strike corporate spys on the picket line - you know
who you are, and so do we.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 27 May 2009

All companies maintain Business Interruption Insurance which indemnifies
them against things like fires, natural disasters even strikes.

I am sure CSX maintains such a policy, if I had to guess I would say
their deductible is $100 million with $500 million if not higher limit.
As you can see, a strike could go on for weeks, even months before CSX
needed to sit down.

Today there is enough excess capacity on the other systems to absorb
CSX's loads. Frankly, I'm not sure CSX wouldn't come out ahead. same
money, less expenses, better ratios, fewer salaried employees, bankrupt
unions. Sounds like a dream come true in the executive suite.

A 24 hour strike against CSX wouldn't accomplish anything except
making the men feel better. There would have to be a nationwide strike
against all carriers and it would have to last longer than 24
hours and that's not going to happen.

Name: George 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 20-30 years
Posted: 27 May 2009

Name: spongebob
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 27 May 2009

RRJ

I agree with everything you say, except for "The railroads can't
afford anymore loss of......................... Last week, I was asking
the RFE some questions about CSX cutting the boards so deep that they
don't have people to run their trains on a timely fashion, some of our
trains are being delayed by up to 30-40 hrs. due to lack of
manpower....upper management (said) that they will run the trains when
ever they get a rested warm body. He also stated, "It's not like our
customers have a choice how they ship their products, they will get
their cars when we get a rested employee" 
*********************************************************************
Upper management is  a horse's ass - they lie through their teeth.
They cut the boards to the bone to save money, to make up for lost
revenue. Period   They want properly rested employees? Really?   What a
sec while I laugh my ass off.  Railroads played this game in every
economic recession since time began. They cut to the bone, then work
the remaining employees to death (literally).  By God, they will pull
untrained clerks out of yard offices (who have already worked 8-10
hours)  to fill in a road crew, then work him another 10 hours.
Railroads are very good at this - very sneaky, very much against every
federal law on the books. Yet they get away with it.  What happens when
the roads work the trainmen to death? Watch the injury and death rate
SPIKE to the moon. Like you say, the Company just needs a "warm body"
- warm enough to kill is closer to the truth.    
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.......I sincerely hope we do go on strike, but I just don't see the
International putting themselves in that position.
*****************************************************************
And what position is that?  The one with their ass in the air, with a
sign on it that says, "PORK ME HERE - WE ARE TOO SCARED TO STRIKE OR
SUE THE RAILROADS". ?? 
   
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Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 May 2009

Spongebob

I wouldn't say a strike can't happen. All it takes is the right
leadership in the unions at the national an international
levels........Every safety strike the railroads have sued the unions
over the cost of the shut down. It becomes an expensive legal battle.
The unions pocket doesn't run as deep as the railroads. There's a
time to strike and in todays atmosphere the time is now. The railroads
can't afford anymore loss of revenue in this depressed
market. It just isn't going to happen. 
*******************************************************************
Railroads will continue to operate regardless of how much, or how
little, money they make. That is a matter of national security and the
national economy. My point is, they need to do it a whole lot safer for
us workers on the ground who make it all happen.  As for union battles,
deep pockets, and lawsuits - The International method has been to call
a safety strike, then sit back and wait for the carriers to bring on
the punishment for calling the strike. That is POOR PLANNING by the
International.  They have been like the little scrawny kid who throws a
wild punch at the schoolhouse bully and misses, then runs like hell to
avoid getting the shit kicked out of him.  Bad planning - a waste of
time, with no so good consequences.  Instead, the little kid should
plan ahead - throw the punch & connect,  wait till the asshole bully
comes charging around the corner, then smack him upside the head with a
baseball bat.  Planning ahead always evens up the balance of power.   

WE are the ones being killed, maimed and injured - not management. WE
have the legal right and the safety issues to sue on - and win. Win,
hands down. Even a blind, deaf mute idiot could win on these safety
issues. Union FELA lawyers prove that every day of the year. 

The Safety Strike is a shot across the bow - time is up for allowing
unsafe working conditions. Everybody out of the pool.  And we're not
going to wait for the carriers to engage us after the Safety Strike. 
No, no, no. We take the fight to them. Full force. We take them to the
mats on this one. And we kick their asses back to humility and some
form of acceptable humanity towards quickly, responsibly, and
adequately correcting unsafe working conditions. And boy, do we have a
laundry list of unsafe working conditions. Do we ever. 

In addition to calling a nationwide safety strike, the  International
MUST file at least a dozen union members' class action lawsuits on
Civil Rights violations alone - the right of every American railroad
worker citizen to be free from unreasonably unsafe working conditions.
They should file on behalf of railroad employees and their families who
have to suffer through utterly unconscionable unsafe working conditions
24/7,  365 days a year.  

Do lawsuits cost money.  Of course. But its OUR money, and it is a
completely legal, justifiable, and deeply needed cause to pursue - and
it is CLEARLY a winnable one. The International will recoup their
expenditures, and we union members will get what we have so long
deserved - vastly safer working conditions. 
________________________________________________________________

One of the main pitfalls in our unions is the membership. You just have
to look at the numbers of those who vote...... Union meetings ......your
lucky to get 10% to show up...So who's to blame?
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A rhetorical question - failed union policies and bad contracts are to
blame for an apathetic memberhship.   Turn that around with some real
improvements in the lives of railroaders, and watch participation sky
rocket. 
 
 
There. I have said my peace. Strike and sue the bastards.

Name: spongebob
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 27 May 2009

RRJ

   I agree with everything you say, except for "The railroads can't
afford anymore loss of......................... Last week, I was asking
the RFE some questions about CSX cutting the boards so deep that they
don't have people to run their trains on a timely fashion, some of our
trains are being delayed by up to 30-40 hrs. due to lack of manpower. 
Where's the accountability for the guys cutting the boards and
delaying the customers freight.  CSX has been annulling or delaying
Yard jobs, locals, and through freight every day due to the manpower
shortage they have created. He said, he has been told by upper
Management that they will run the trains when ever they get a rested
warm body. He also stated, "It's not like our customers have a choice
how they ship their products, they will get their cars when we get a
rested employee" 

   With that being said, I don't see how shutting down the Railroad
for 24 hrs. will help us, when the railroads don't give a big flying
fuck about their customers cars being delivered in a timely fashion. As
soon as the strike is over, the customers will get their cars.

   I sincerely hope we do go on strike, but I just don't see the
International putting themselves in that position.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 May 2009

Spongebob

I wouldn't say a strike can't happen. All it takes is the right
leadership in the unions at the national an international levels. GC's
& LC's don't have the power only the president and the advisory boards
of the union can make the call. It's a difficult choice. Every safety
strike the railroads have sued the unions over the cost of the shut
down. It becomes an expensive legal battle. The unions pocket doesn't
run as deep as the railroads. 

There's a time to strike and in todays atmosphere the time is now. The
railroads can't afford anymore loss of revenue in this depressed
market. It just isn't going to happen. 

The BLE(T) LC's with division support are voting on GC's this week.
Next year for the first time every member of the BLE(T) will be able to
vote on the president of the union. Something that finally got changed 3
years ago seeing we are now affiliated with the Teamsters. 

One of the main pitfalls in our unions is the membership. You just have
to look at the numbers of those who vote. The BLE(T) on CSX called it a
major turnout for those voting on the SSA in 2007 when 51% bothered to
send in their ballots. Only 51% bothered to take 5 minutes to place an
"X" in a box and mail it to vote for a life changing on-property
crappy contract like the SSA. Union meetings your lucky to get 10% to
show up at times we just have enough to comprise a quarem. For those of
you less informed a "quarem" is the number required to hold a meeting
which in our case the number is 6 people. 

So who's to blame?

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 26 May 2009

nomo and loco are not union employees - your company. clear picture. 

unlike you two, i go to union meetings. i support the safety strike. 
everyone in my local supports a safety strike. that has been the topic
of our meetings. our LC is has been in daily contact with the GC.
International is preparing to call a 24 hour nationwide safety strike
against the carriers within a week.  we all have agreed on picket duty
hours. 

sorry nomo loco, no company pussies allowed on the picket line.

0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

You may go to union meetings, I hold them, in many locations. I hope
you get a job soon Sam, so you won't have so much idle time on your
hands to keep lying to these people. Got a few replies for you also
Sam. I'll post them soon monkey man. Watch those drunk chickens, they
will kick your ass. Sure would look bad for a man of your statue to
have to tell someone a drunk chicken kicked a ass as bad as yours.

Keg (NoMo), RRJ and I try to say it like it is. No lying to make it
sound good. You have low balled everyone on here distracting from other
peoples post with your multiple post personality under different names.
The only one that agrees with you is when you answer yourself. YOU ARE
FULL OF SHIT, chicken shit.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 26 May 2009

One thing the union and/or membership can do is set up informational
pickets. It's too bad you missed the 2009 Annual Meeting, that would
have gotten their attention!

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 26 May 2009

Hey Brakey <1:

A 24 hour safety strike against the carriers within the week...Sams
says Labor Day...whom shall we believe?

It's the railroad you're talking about, I don't believe anything I
hear and only half of what I see...so I won't hold my breath!

Name: spongebob
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 26 May 2009

For those of you who think the Unions are going to order a safety
strike, you are living a far fetched dream.  I too, wish we had the
right to strike, but it won't happen, ever.  Just like the sick out
that was attemped by a few guys on this site about a month ago.  How
did that go?  Exactly, what I'm saying, not gonna happen.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 1-10 years
Posted: 26 May 2009

nomo and loco are not union employees - your company. clear picture. 

unlike you two, i go to union meetings. i support the safety strike. 
everyone in my local supports a safety strike. that has been the topic
of our meetings. our LC is has been in daily contact with the GC.
International is preparing to call a 24 hour nationwide safety strike
against the carriers within a week.  we all have agreed on picket duty
hours. 

sorry nomo loco, no company pussies allowed on the picket line.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 26 May 2009

Sam the man will be on the line carrying 20 signs, the same amount of
names he uses on here. Just a talking to himself and answering himself
to pass time on the line. HARHARHAR Now hes brakey1.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 26 May 2009

Hey Brakey <1:

First time on the site..."but after reading a few of the
posts, looks to me like one abnormal and overly  critical guy is
posting under several IDs - RRJ, LOCO30+, Zoro, NoMO, Engine Repair,
and Conductor etc..." Perhaps before you start making comments like
that you should educate yourself. All the aforementioned are different
people, in different parts of the system: and yes I was fired...best
thing that ever happened to me!

Not one of us has ever said anything that can be construed as
supporting the union policies...they suck. Over the years the unions
have sold out their membership's rights, which many men died to get.

Your furloughed 3 months and counting, well keep on counting because
depending on what terminal you at and your seniorty, your probably
looking at another 6 months, maybe longer. What's your union doing for
you? The UTU pushed for the RCO...the UTU allowed the carrier to
implement the one man RCO jobs...the UTU is fully aware that the
carrier is circumventing their own operating rules and covering up the
violations. So if you or anyone else thinks the UTU will sanction a
strike, you're hellucinating...it won't happen until you and your
Brothers and Sisters clean up the unions.

If you understand anything, understand this...the unions might as well
be part of the carriers Labor Relations Departments. The sooner
all the new hires, those of you with 5 years or less understand that
being union members doesn't guarantee you anything except paying dues,
the sooner you will become active in your locals and press for change.

You can't strike if your furloughed, although you can walk a picket
line. Anyone else that wants to strike, have at it, if you have the
cajones.

Lets see those picket lines!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 1-10 years
Posted: 26 May 2009

Am really suprised by the comments on here against striking, especially
with all the deaths, injuries and layoffs going on. 
I thought that the right to strike is what the Union is all about - 
striking when needed to obtain rights for us workers.  
Sam is the only one speaking up for our rights. There is nothing wrong
in striking for safety.  I personally hate like hell to see our
co-workers getting killed and injured. A safety strike would certainly
not hurt, and it could only help improve the situation. 
First time I have been on this site, but after reading a few of the
posts, looks to me like one abnormal and overly  critical guy is
posting under several IDs - RRJ, LOCO30+, Zoro, NoMO, Engine Repair,
and Conductor etc.  he is the same guy bitching about our RIGHT to
strike - and claims he is a retired union guy?? And he is advising us
against a safety strike???  Very Bizarre if you ask me.  
Anti-union guys like NoMo/Loco30+ or whoever he is, really take away
from the credibility of this site. This person sounds like a
disgruntled former employee - probably fired or something, or maybe
just a company plant or a CSX spy venting CSX nazi propaganda on here.
Is this a CSX site disguised as a union employee site? Very sneaky. 
You read some of these anti strike posts and you really gotta wonder
about that. what gives? is my computer bugged by CSX spyware now that I
have posted on here. NOt that i give a shit - been furloughed 3 months
and counting. All i can say is i am a trainman, and the Union has my
vote for a Safety Strike - or any other strike for that matter. This
place is incredibly dangerous spelled with a capital D. Sam is right. 
There is no reason for CSX or any other railroad to be killing and
injuring workers in the 21st century. We dont have safe working
conditions - we need some big improvements in safety and they can start
with the RCO.  
If more people on here posted in favor of a Safety Strike, we might
actually get one - but my guess is the anti-strike guys on here along
with CSX would close this site down faster than you could blink an eye.
That's what I think.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Engine repair, for 1-10 years
Posted: 26 May 2009

They were all wiped out at the Alamo.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 26 May 2009

Just as I predicted another idiotic babbling remark. 

Have fun with those voices in your head. I see you have plenty of
company. No use in disturbing "Sam". Maybe you're really David
Berkowitz the imfamous "Son of Sam' who took orders from a neighbors
dog who was the real "Sam". I won't disturb you any longer the
orderly must be looking for you it's gotta be time for your meds.

Name: SAm
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 26 May 2009

Any union member reading these posts should understand one thing, and
one thing only - I am a pure union man. Real union men strike when
contractual grievances are not properly addressed by the company - such
as HUGE problems with UNSAFE WORKING CONDITIONS. 

There are some goons on this CSX SUCKS site who regularly post
anti-union strike slogans and rhetoric. These blabbering monkeys are
puppets of the Railroad companies - the running dogs of the corporation
and the railroad sponsored unions.   They will say and do anything to
stop a strike. 

REMEMBER THE ALAMO!   SAFETY STRIKE!!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 26 May 2009

Sam

Why don't you just go ahead and strike. Call it a "strike of one".
Your own personal protest. Join the ranks of the unemployeed.

I don't think there is anyone on the railroad who wouldn't like to
see the unions take action. Unfortunately which apparently you're to
dumb to understand unless it's union sanctioned it won't happen. 

Maybe you should go to a union meeting. I can make a secured bet you
haven't been to many if any. If you can't understand how it works
then you'll never learn. The goverment won't allow rail unions to
strike. Even if they do it'll last maybe an hour before an injunction
from a federal judge is issued. We've been there several times over my
32 years. The longest strike was 4 days in 1982 then Ronald Raygun
ordered us back to work. In the 1950's locomotive engineers went on
strike Harry Truman threatened to draft everyone in the army national
guard if they didn't go back to work. We have to much goverment
control on the railroad. We have to live by the Railway Labor Act. You
should learn before you continue to make a fool out of yourself. 

I'll expect more ignorant responses. Seeing your clueless.

Name: chicken pecker
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 30+ years
Posted: 25 May 2009

Hello. My name is Chicken Pecker.  You may all want to know how I came
to have a name like 'Chicken Pecker'  Well,  you see it all came
about one day when i was practicing my Wocki Socki Kung Fu Jujitsui
black belt training which required  me to stagger around on one leg,
cluck like a chicken, and peck on a telephone pole. Well, a Trainmaster
yelled at me to get back to work, and that scared me so bad I pee'd
down my leg and had to change my shorts.  Kung Fu black belt master saw
me buck naked changing my shorts and started laughing uncontrollably.
After that, the Master named me Chicken Pecker, cause I scare so
easily,  have a vagina instead of a penis, and wear fire engine red lip
stick.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 25 May 2009

HELLO FELLAS I WANTED TO KNOW IF ANY CONDUCTORS or engineers HAVE
DELIVERED COAL TO KINDER MORGAN IN NEWPORT NEWS VIRGINIA?

WHO FIXES THE TRACK ON THEIR PROPERTY AND CAN I HAVE SOME INSIGHT ON
THE PEOPLE WHO WORK THERE? anything would be apreciated, and good luck
out there rail roaders it's tough, thanks.

Name: Sam the Railroad Man
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 25 May 2009

Trainmaster: who is that idiot scurrying around the yard like a drunken
chicken?
Sam: z, conductor 1-10, Allman Brothers, Loco30+, Zorro and who knows
what other names he uses.  First chicken pecker i ever saw with so many
split personalities. A real Weirdo. Homicidal too.  
TM: (takes a hatchet and chops off z's chicken head). 
z: (flopping around without his head, shit squirting out everywhere)
Sam: boy, that's one dumb chicken. (sam shoots the chicken and puts it
out of its misery). 
TM: well, now we can get on with the work of railroading. 
Sam: Yeh.  But first we're gonna strike.  
TM: ok sam.  anything you say. Yes Sir.  Please dont strike sam, CSX
will give you all the concessions you want - just please, please please
dont strike. 

To be continued....

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 25 May 2009

Sammie must of never watched Rocky. I remember Rocky training and they
had him chasing chickens. Took him a real long time to learn how to
catch one of those chickens. If that chicken would have had arms he
would have kicked Rocys ass before Rocky caught him. I think Z would do
the drunken chicken walk around Sammie just playing around with him for
awhile. Then he would rip Sammies head off and shit down his neck.Then
Sammie wont have to worry about no safety strike. Every other article
is by Sammie under 1 of his names of many. I dam sure get tired of
reading his crap over and over.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 25 May 2009

Two different people...one in Georgia one in Virginia.

Name: Mike
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 1-10 years
Posted: 25 May 2009

Danny has a point.  Looks like loco30+ is the same guy. Twice. haha.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 25 May 2009

I know who "Z" is. He retired from the railroad within the last year
or so. He's been on this website for quite a few years. I respect his
opinion.

Name: Danny from Cleveland
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 25 May 2009

Gee, cant anyone post on here without being attacked by all the self
annointed Sucks Sheriffs?

My post was about Safety Strike, Sam,  and Z.  

who the heck are you?  

Dont you people have anything positive to say about union members who
stick up for union members? 

get a life.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 25 May 2009

Jezzis Dude

What do you have mulitple personalities? You write one post then
congradulate yourself on another. You're one strange motherf*#!er.

Name: Danny from Cleveland
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 24 May 2009

Boy am I glad Z is gone from this board.  His same old BS really gets
old - and he doesn't even work for the railroad.  Some old farts have
nothing better to do I guess.  Have to agree with Sam and Safety
Strike. What this company needs is a wake up call. The unions too. Am
all for getting rid of the unions and forming a new united union. Its
the only way we are going to have a future. Safety Strike.

Thank you Sam for showing us the way.

Name: Sam the Railroad Man
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 24 May 2009

Trainmaster: what happen to z?
Local Chairman: he was practicing his japanese chicken squeezing  and
choked his chicken to death
TM: oh, yeah, he was weird - clucks, pecks, and eats barnyard poop.
LC:  Yep. That's the one.    
Sam: Z cant help it if he's a drunken chicken pecker. Too much wocki
socki watching re-runs of the Karate Kid. 
TM:  well, he was a pussy anyway. We kicked his ass plumb off. 
Sam: Yes, we know.  Poor old sam.  Lost his mind. Thinks he's a
chicken master. 
TM: yeah. A chicken choker more like it.
LC: Say Sam, how'd you like a kickback for not posting anything about
a SAFETY STRIKE?
SAM:  no thanks.  We are going to have a new union. Your fired. 
TM: Sam, are you gonna let me kick your ass like I kicked z's ass?
Sam:  (as the TM staggers back and falls down from a one-two punch to
the chest and head from Sam).  You'r fired.  We'll be taking over
now.  Go home to grandma and have some milk and cookies with the
chicken pecker.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 24 May 2009

winner

Glad to see you did what was best for you. The railroad has always been
a difficult life style. You either adapt or quit. I've seen those that
walked right on the job and they never had to struggle. I see newbies
holding regular freight pools with less than 2 years on the railroad.
That was unheard of at one time. Then again when they hired it was the
right time retirements hit and opened up a slot. Retirements will
gradually happen for the next 5 years. At my location 2014 will see
quite a few retirements including myself. Times will change. Those
protected under the crew consist will be gone. Glad I won't be around
to see it. I've witnessed to much change in the past 32 years none of
it for the benefit of the worker. Unfortunately every generation of
railroader has witnessed change.

Name: Rooster
E-mail: 
Employed as: Train Dispatcher, for 20-30 years
Posted: 23 May 2009

Message to Drunken Chicken Pecker:

Cluck Cluck      Cluuuuuccckkkk Cluck Cluck    Cluck Cluck Cluck

CLUCK CLUCJ CLUCK   CLUCK   CLUUUUUUUCCCKKKK CLUUUUUUCCCKK

CLUCKITY CLUCK  CLUCK-CLOCK    CUOCK.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 23 May 2009

To all the guys at Russell stepping up to help the company I hope your
making plenty of money while 81 of sit at home, most not able to draw
anything till july 1. I'll remember who you are, and also why don't
you all just apply for management jobs since your so concerned with
doing CSX favors you greedy non union acting suck asses, your the
reason why our unions are week.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 23 May 2009

See how bad it can get without the CSXSUCKS Police.
NOMO,HTL,RRJ,BigC, Goob

Keeping them Honest.

Name: Rooster 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 23 May 2009

Drunken chicken peckers are my favorite. 

They call me Rooster down at the yard. cause I got a larger than usual
weapon between my legs if you get my drift. 

I likes to have  me some young Chicken.  Mmmmmmm. Tasty. Wait till I
get my spurs in you darlin,  your world will rock, an life will never
be the same.  

adios, chicken peckerhead.

Name: winner
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 22 May 2009

I am a winner. No longer do I have to deal with attendance policy or any
other silly, stupid CSX policy. I QUIT. You can too.......grow a set and
leave.

Name: Tank
E-mail: 
Employed as: Car repair, for 20-30 years
Posted: 22 May 2009

Sam, you are a very wise person.  Too bad your not on my division, we
could use a guy like you.  Dont know what you beef is with Z, but am
sure he has it coming.  He sounds like a screwball, but CSX has a lot
of them.  

Anyone who calls himself Z is one brick shy of a full load. 

 I agree with the Safety Strike that you been talking up Sam.  It is
the only way to make the company sit up and listen. We need to do
something. Keep up the good work Sam.  Were behind you 100%.

Name: Dynamo Dave
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 22 May 2009

Hey Sam the Man!  

Sounds like Z has been playing with his chicken too long.  

Cluck cluck cluck!

Name: Sam 
E-mail: no chickens allowed
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 22 May 2009

Wocki Socki Chicken Man (formerly known as "z"),
 
Can you do 2 things at the same time - like cluck n' strut. 

How the heck did you ever get use to eat'n poop?  Oh, wait, I know. 
You were the one in charge of licking the locker room toilet bowls.

By the way, chickens dont have monkeys, they have vaginas. I guess
there can be such a thing as a gay chicken - a Chickesbian.

Say, I know a good rooster if you ever want to lay some eggs.  

So listen chicken man, dont you look kinda funny ridin around in a
zorro mask with drumstick legs, a large ass covered with feathers,
yammering away with all that non-stop clucking? 

LMAO nonstop.

Chicken Kungfoo teino'-na.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 22 May 2009

thank you very much for the input wildman, the type of jobs that i was
looking at with kinder morgan were:
maintenance man, compared to(csx freight cart repair)
facility worker, compared to (csx track worker)
loader, compared to (csx heavy equipment operator)
machinist, compared to (csx machinist), and i also think that kinder
morgan is a non union if i am not mistaken, just wanted to know who
would i be better off.  i do not know if any one on this site has any
one that works or knows of kinder morgan.  I also know this web site
says CSX sucks but it could be worth a try, any inputs will be greatly
apreciated. thanks railroaders!

Name: High Stand
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 20-30 years
Posted: 22 May 2009

Yup, that Z man gets Sam everytime. I wonder when Sam will give it up. I
would think that foot in his mouth would start tasting bad by now.
HeHeHeHe

Z your funny Sam can't hold a candle to you. Keep up the good work.
Sam is a newbie claiming to be a old head. everybody has him pegged.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 22 May 2009

Huchen mata sakitura hako, there monkey man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLc4PQ58RDY 

The word means 54 steps minor. This vid has 2 major mistakes in his
form. He is off balance in one segment and in another his left leg is
angled when it should be straight. I have rank test oming up Saturday
and was brushing up on what I will be grading.

Now go do some chicken scratching on your nuts and ass, brakey less
than 1. You would hope your in as good of shape as me when you reach my
age. Maybe one day you can learn a kata besides jerkioffietrainmaster
Dai(major).

Name: Sam the Railroad Man
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 22 May 2009

Name: Z
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years

No milk and cookies. Actually I have been doing some Shotokan Katas
tonight completing them with Gojushiho Sho.  
****************************************************************

Gojûshiho: "....derives either from the repetitive movements of a
woodpecker pecking a tree-trunk, or from the staggering and hesitant
steps of a drunken man."   Aka, 'CHICKEN FIGHTING'.

Chicken, pleazzze post a video of that on YouTube. We'd all like to
watch. Livin your Disney dream? Preppin to kick some ass? LOL  

Sonna atsui mono wo tabetari suru to shite wa shita wo yakimasu. 

Odoro'ku?

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 May 2009

Ops, almost forgot, I do have a pet monkey named Sam. I see him everyday
on CSX Sucks.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 May 2009

LMFAO, you have the nerve to call me a computer jockey. Sounds like the
kettle calling the pot black.

No milk and cookies. Actually I have been doing some Shotokan Katas
tonight completing them with Gojushiho Sho. Great work out and keeps me
ready for punks like you. Remember I am Ichi and you are a big fat
zero.

Time to do the five S's now. Good night.

Name: Sam the Railroad Man
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 May 2009

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 20 May 2009

New Trainmaster: Sam, I want you to not take any breaks and work as
fast
and hard as you can in this 95 degree heat.

Sam: Yes Sir, I'm willing to do anything you want.

New Trainmaster: You make sure you do.

Sam: Yes Sir, Boss Man.
999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999

Z is a computer jockey and self annoited comedian.  400 pound dorito
eating cookie monster.  never leaves the keyboard.  Ever. Cheap
entertainment.  Probably has a pet monkey for backup.  Can you speak
monkey, Z?  Bet your good at it. Banana your favorite fruit, fruit?
How many toes and fingers you got Z?  did the doctors cut too much
brain out during the experiments?  Boy feller.  Get yourself some milk
and cookies from grandma - you will feel better.  Now go to sleep -
take your nap. Would you like your teddy bear?

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 20 May 2009

New Trainmaster: Sam, I want you to not take any breaks and work as fast
and hard as you can in this 95 degree heat.

Sam: Yes Sir, I'm willing to do anything you want.

New Trainmaster: You make sure you do.

Sam: Yes Sir, Boss Man.
999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999

New Trainmaster: Z, I want you to not take any breaks and work as fast
and hard as you can in this 95 degree heat.

Z: Screw you, we aren't killing ourselves. Let's go inside right now
and take a hour break guys.

New Trainmaster: Didn't you hear me Z?

Z: Make it a two hour break guys. ( Z gets Trainmaster to the side and
tells him ) Better get a extra called for this extra, the harder you
push the less we do. Do you understand me you Superintendent's bitch.

New Trainmaster: Yes Sir Mr. Z, I will call another extra and you take
all the breaks you want.

Z: Never come around here screwing with us again, now get in your car
and leave.

New Trainmaster: Yes Sir.

Crew: Gee thanks Z for looking after us, if Sam had been on the job he
would have worked us in the dirt. He's such a company suck.

Z: My pleasure guys, we all look out for each other. Lets get some cool
air now.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 20 May 2009

hello, rail roaders!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHO IS IT BETTER TO WORK FOR AS FAR AS A MAINTENANCE WORKER, CSX OR
KINDERMORGAN (PLANT OR COAL YARD)!!!!!!!!!!!PLEASE NEED ALL INPUTS I AM
TRYING TO SAVE MY SELF FROM MAKING A BIG MISTAKE, NEED HELP!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 20 May 2009

Name: Son of Sam
E-mail: SAFETYSTRIKE.com
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 20 May 2009

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 19 May 2009

About the only thing you may wash down for breakfast is a load of cum
from one of those Trainmasters. 
 
 **************************************************************
experience talking
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
So you it admit it. Sam the Out of the Closet Man knows that my
experience has taught me that he takes loads from Trainmasters all day.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 20 May 2009

You call that better?

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 20 May 2009

Z, I know you dont work for CSX - your posts are a dead give away. 

Have some more of grandma's milk and cookies, go back to sleep. 

Let's see, 
-wears pink pajamas
-sleeps with a night light on to keep the boogy man away. 
-calls his mom every night like a good boy
-talks with a slur and drools (too much crown)
-has a lifetime subscription to Playboy - keeps them under the bed 
-exposes himself to the local nursing home patients for kicks
-waves like a mad dog at the engineer every time he sees a train
-tells the girls at the bar he works for the railroad
-works the midnight shift as a janitor at the local gradeschool
-nick name:  Billy Bob.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 20 May 2009

What a come back. You will need to do better than that Sam.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 20 May 2009

I don't work for CSX Little Black Sambo. Now go make some tiger butter,
so those new trainmasters can lube you up.

Name: Son of Sam
E-mail: SAFETYSTRIKE.com
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 20 May 2009

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 19 May 2009

About the only thing you may wash down for breakfast is a load of cum
from one of those Trainmasters. 
 
 **************************************************************
experience talking

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 19 May 2009

About the only thing you may wash down for breakfast is a load of cum
from one of those Trainmasters. You talk tough, but are just another
ass kisser when you go to work. A big old puss.

Name: Son of Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 19 May 2009

Just goes to show how far the internet age has come - even Zoro makes
his living on it. 

Say there sweety pie,  the Cock Sucker Xpress hired 30 new trainmasters
- lots more ass kickin targets there for ya partner. 

Dont think I want any of them union pussy cookies. Wouldn't go well
with the iron spikes I wash down with creosote for breakfast.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 19 May 2009

Sam is a whizanator. HAR HAR HAR

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 19 May 2009

Sam the Railroad Dumb Ass

Tells a man in an earlier post to only post under one topic. Now he
contradicts himself with his latest threads. Same old Sam, full of BS.
Our new President of a new Union. He would be great in the position,
sounds like what we already have.

I saved a couple of your favorite cookies for you.  How many names you
posting under today.

Name: SAM
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 19 May 2009

Z, you back from Grandma's house?  How were your milk and cookies? 

Oh - my - god.  Just posted this on every section.  whaddayaknow. 

Say Z,  when the CSX homos demand you pee in their bottle while they
hold your Johnson to ensure authenticity of personal urination,
you gonna thank the Unions for their support?  LOL.

Dont forget - milk and cookies at 5.

Name: SAFETY STRIKE
E-mail: SAFETY STRIKE. COM
Employed as: Corporate office, for 30+ years
Posted: 19 May 2009

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Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 19 May 2009

Sam contradicts himself again.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 19 May 2009

Sam the Dumb Ass. No one wants to read it six times when there are
appropriate categories to place a thread under. Follow the directions
dumb asses.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 19 May 2009

Is there any reason why we need more that one board to post?

I'm getting tired of reading folks complaining about multiple posts!

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 19 May 2009

Keep your hat on. Not everyone has all the time in the world to read all
of the sections like you do loco.  The guy is concerned, maybe someone
will read Safety First and none of the other sections, but has a
response.  Marketing for answers on this site by posting in every
section has not hurt anyone that I am aware of.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 18 May 2009

Everyone from Doctors, Lawyers to Indian Chiefs listen up. YOU HAVEN'T
GOT TO POST IT BUT UNDER ONE VENUE. WE WILL READ IT.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Engine repair, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 18 May 2009

I only worked at csx for 89 days before i got laid off. anyone know when
they will call back?

Name: Steve Gordon
E-mail: sgordon@gordon-elias.com
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 17 May 2009

Dear All-

On Friday the 15th, the United States Court of Appeals in D.C. decided
a case styled BNSF v. Dept. of Transportation. It has to do with the
railroads performing urinalysis tests on railroad employees but there
is more. The DOT argued and prevailed that the railroad must now strip
the person down to make sure they are not using a device that looks
like male genitalia (in the opinion it was called a "Whizzinator"
but, apparently, there are others)when giving the urine. I have posted
an article in Yardlimits.com and attached the opinion in a Microsoft
Word attachment so you can download it and read it for yourself. 

The link is here:
http://www.yardlimits.com/forums/ask-attorney-steve-gordon-gordon-elias-law-firm/12298-casey-jones-whizzinator-gig-no-good.html#post114211

From an academic constitutional law perspective it is a monumental and
radical departure from 4th Amendment precedent albeit a foreseeable
result due to the compelling need to have a drug free workplace in the
transportation industry. However, from a railroad employee's
perspective it is extremely intrusive and embarrassing.

I highly recommend reading the opinion.

Sincerely,

Steve Gordon
www.gordon-elias.com

Name: RUSTY SPIKE
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 17 May 2009

HEARD THAT STEVE AMMONS @ DAVIS YARD WILMINGTON NC WAS TOLD TO CUT SOME
MORE YARD JOBS. THIS IS GREAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO WORK AS
IT IS.GUESS MR.AMMONS CAN SUCK SOME MORE OF TOM WOLFES DICK SO HE
DOESN'T HAVE TO GO TO HAMLET. THANKS MR.AMMONS YOUR MY HERO

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 17 May 2009

Greece, N.Y)- Some abandoned CSX cars that left people in a Greece
neighborhood with eyesores in their backyard, were finally moved
Saturday. 

The cars were sitting just feet from neighbors backyards for weeks. CSX
blamed the recession as the reason, saying consumers are buying less
therefore rail cars shipping less.

Neighbors in the Pebbleview Neighborhood say they're thankful that the
cars are no longer there.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 16 May 2009

"the railway company CSX, placed the property in Chapter 11 bankruptcy
reorganization, telling a judge that it was "unable and unwilling to
continue funding" losses."


If CSX can go bankrupt on an individual property, Please, Please Go
bankrupt on the Conrail properties from 1999. Return them to a Good
railroad company.

Thanks 

:)

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 16 May 2009

"the railway company CSX, placed the property in Chapter 11 bankruptcy
reorganization, telling a judge that it was "unable and unwilling to
continue funding" losses."



WHITE SULPHUR SPRINGS, W.Va. -- The Greenbrier resort's new owner --
the man who outmaneuvered the mighty Marriott International -- is a
coal baron who just sold some mines to the Russians for $436 million.
He is enormous and boisterous, standing 6-foot-7 and weighing enough
that he calls himself a "fat hog." He is the president of the local
youth baseball league and coach of the girls' high school basketball
team and is driven around town by his buddy Moe. 

"These people haven't seen anything quite like me," James C. Justice
II said the other day, over a sandwich and fries at the resort. 

And neither has Marriott, which last night agreed to a settlement with
Justice to avoid a battle in federal bankruptcy court in Richmond,
where the two sides were scheduled to wrangle for control of the
historic resort -- the place where Joseph and Rose Kennedy honeymooned
and 26 presidents have visited. (Prince Rainier and Princess Grace
stopped by, too.) 

With Justice winning control, some residents said, he will forever be
seen as a savior to this quiet town in the mountains whose fortunes
have fallen alongside the resort. The Greenbrier has endured hundreds
of layoffs and brutal labor negotiations amid a steep drop-off in guest
visits. The prospect that a local man, not some corporate muckety-muck,
could be signing their paychecks had even led residents to pack
churches and praise Justice. 

"I believe the Good Lord sent him for us," said Greg Scott, a
preacher and doorman at the hotel for more than a dozen years who has
seen 14 of his neighbors laid off. "We had no hopes, no plans. It was
a glorious day when he arrived." 

That was less than two weeks ago, after Justice surprised the town and
executives at Bethesda-based Marriott International by announcing that
he had bought the resort for $20 million. In March, the hotel's
previous owner, the railway company CSX, placed the property in Chapter
11 bankruptcy reorganization, telling a judge that it was "unable and
unwilling to continue funding" losses. 

As part of the bankruptcy, CSX made a deal to sell the resort to
Marriott for $60 million to $130 million, depending on the resort's
future financial performance. CSX also agreed to give Marriott $50
million to run the hotel. The deal was contingent on CSX winning an
agreement with the resort's unions that was also agreeable to
Marriott. An accord was reached, and everything was looking spiffy for
the world's largest hotel chain. 

But Justice, who owns coal mines and large farming operations in
several nearby states, was lurking. He went to CSX in April, offering
to buy the stock in the entity that owned the resort, assume the debt
and move to have the bankruptcy case dismissed -- an unusual step,
according to bankruptcy experts, who said buyers usually prefer to
acquire assets out of bankruptcy free of debt. Why would Justice go
through all the trouble to take on a business he knows nothing about
and take on more than $100 million in bills? 

He said it had nothing to with the state recently approving casino
gambling at the resort: "That's just bull snot," Justice said. 

"I don't want to damage these people anymore. I live here. I don't
want to dash their hopes," he said. "I am honestly stone-cold
confident that I can bring to the table a lot of good stuff. I won't
be the guy who thinks with the standard hotel mentality. This place
can't be run that way." 

Marriott officials met with Justice in Lewisburg, W.Va., yesterday to
strike a deal. Under their settlement, both sides have 30 days to come
to an agreement allowing Marriott to market the property and receive a
fee for any guests it generates for the resort. If an agreement is not
reached, Justice will pay a $7.5 million breakup fee, Justice said. 

"We have amicably resolved any dispute with Mr. Justice, and we will
not oppose the motion to dismiss the bankruptcy," Marriott said in a
statement. 

No matter what the outcome of the talks, Justice has won total control
of the Greenbrier. 

"I needed the control," Justice said in an interview. "I'd be
letting these people down without it." 


Justice won over the community by hiring back furloughed workers and
reopening the union contract to increase health insurance and other
benefits, including allowing employees to eat one meal a day at the
resort. 

Last week, West Virginia Gov. Joe Manchin III (D) and Sen. John D.
Rockefeller IV threw their support behind Justice, saying he's the
right person to run the national historic landmark. A four-hour drive
from Washington, Greenbrier features 721 rooms, 10 lobbies, three golf
courses, a large medical clinic for executive checkups and a
once-secret bunker for Congress to convene in the event of a nuclear
attack. 

"I would hope Marriott sees we have someone here with the passion, the
wherewithal and the resources to own the Greenbrier," Manchin said in
an interview. Rockefeller sent Justice a handwritten note saying: "I
can't tell how proud I am of you and how happy I am for West Virginia.
Without a doubt you have absolutely saved the Greenbrier." 

White Sulphur Springs, like many small towns, harbors resentment toward
corporate America, which has brought Wal-Marts and other big-box stores
to town and -- in the view of some residents -- sucked local businesses
dry. On Main Street, barber Mike Lane can look through the shop's
window and see that all of the stores across the street are for rent. 

"Are they going to crumble, or are there going to be some businesses
there?" Lane said. "I'd like to see more businesses. I'd like to
cut more hair." He said he thinks someone with ties to the town has a
more vested interest in the resort. "I want him to do well," he said.


Peter Bostic, the union's business manager, agreed with Lane. "He
will hold the place closer to the chest than an international
company," Bostic said. 

Justice said his immediate goals include beginning work on a casino,
but more important, he wants to win back the resort's Mobil five-star
rating, which it lost in 1999. The key to earning that fifth star, he
said, was improving his employees' outlook. His theory is that if his
employees are happy, they will make the guests happy. If that sounds
familiar, it's what J.W. Marriott Jr. has preached for decades. 

"I think it's all driven by state of mind," Justice said. "These
people here are great. But how great can you be when you are worried if
your family is going to be supported? These people have been through a
really tough go of it and so we are in the process of lifting the cloud
and bringing the sun back out."

Name: SafetySlowDown
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 14 May 2009

Why Strike?   That will not work.  CSX will be prepared to fire a few as
examples just like Ingram has done since he worked at the Southern.

Just SLOW Down and be SAFER    Duh!!!!

Follow the Rules.  It will get more attention.  Just will not be on
CNN

The unions do not have any balls to do shit.

Bought and paid for.

One train slows down so do others and more after that.

SLOW Down and be SAFER
SLOW Down and be SAFER
SLOW Down and be SAFER
SLOW Down and be SAFER
SLOW Down and be SAFER

Do Not be the next CSX Fatality or Injury. 

Old Heads will be taking the Lotto out of CSX with a Injury now.

Name: WALT B.
E-mail: 
Employed as: M of W, for 30+ years
Posted: 14 May 2009

I AM TIRED OF SEEING ALL MY UNION BROTHERS INJURED AND KILLED ON THE
JOB. 

IT IS LONG PAST TIME WE CALLED A SAFETY STRIKE & STOP CSX FROM INJURING
AND KILLING MORE OF US.  

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Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 14 May 2009

PHILADELPHIA INQUIRER      May 12, 2009
CSX Repairman Killed at Bucks Railroad Crossing
            A CSX repairman was killed when he was struck by a
tractor-trailer at a railroad crossing in Middletown Township, Bucks
County, yesterday afternoon, a company spokesman said.
The man, whose name was being withheld, was fixing a warning signal
when he was hit by the truck, the spokesman said.
            The driver was reportedly questioned by police, but no
further information was available last night.

Name: FUQCSX
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 13 May 2009

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Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 10-20 years
Posted: 13 May 2009

We are hurting at in CSXI. On one of our seniority rosters the
un-guaranteed extra board makes up about 41% of working jobs. These
brothers and sisters have to be available 24 hours a day 7 days a week
for a call. If you are at the bottom of the board you might get a call
ounce every three weeks and get a check for eleven cents (after
insurance and union dues). If you miss that call the carrier will
charge for missing it. The un-guaranteed extra board should not be
punished missing a call. 

    Common sense dictates that we don’t make enough money to just work
one day every three weeks. We need some changes and soon. We need the
CSXI to furlough some of these employees. The guaranteed extra board
rules states “The number of positions on an extra board shall not
exceed 30% or be less than 12% of the number of positions involved in
the operations protected by the extra board.” If the carrier is not
going to utilize the guaranteed extra board, they need to allow the
un-guaranteed extra board to miss a call.

Name: SAM the RAILROAD MAN
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 13 May 2009

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Name: Ennis
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 13 May 2009

I was saddened to hear about a fallen brother in Selkirk. I do not know
the details of this tragic accident. My sympathy goes to his family. I
do believe that CSX has put men in harms way in order to save a few
dollars. I cannot understand a 1 man remote job- IT IS UNSAFE! I cannot
understand a yard job with just an engineer and a foreman. All yard jobs
should have a switchman, and all remotes should have 2 men. Why did the
unions let them cut the jobs? I hate RCO jobs! I believe for safety
reasons that WE should DEMAND change! I call for a SAFETY STRIKE! I am
only one man/ one voice, but I realize that under these working
conditions, Each and every one of us is at risk every day we are out
here. One thing I have seen is a bunch of apathy in most workers here
at CSX. The Company is run like crap! A bunch of morons making stupid
decisions that affect our lives- LITERALLY! WE need to show solidarity
to effect change. Everyone here knew it was just a matter of time until
someone paid the ultimate sacrifice. Thank God that you are able to read
this today, because it could be you tomorrow. Again, I feel for this
man's family in their time of grief; my prayers are with them. If the
allegations are correct about the TM, then someone needs to take him
for a long walk. I hope the family sues for Billion$. I hope they
bankrupt this Company! SAFETY STRIKE!!!!!!!!!!

Name: Steve Gordon
E-mail: sgordon@gordon-elias.com
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 13 May 2009

Dear All-

I am a lawyer that sues railroads. In our firms experience, only in
VERY rare circumstances, do the railroads ever try to be fair to an
injured employee. Ninety-nine percent of the time, the exact moment you
make a report of injury you become the "enemy". It does not matter
that you have given all you have to give for the railroad. CSX is, by
far, the worst of the worst. They will convince people to lie about
their injury after persuading them not to make a report. They will
actually fly head honchos in from Jacksonville to do this. They know
the person got hurt at work but they will just stand their and watch
the person make a false statement after hours of intimidation. We like
suing railroads and we like getting Managers under oath. Their evil
ways do not stop with just injuries. They will do the same to a widow
and try and quick settle with them.

Sincerely,

Lie Hunter

Name: fedup
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 13 May 2009

Criminal charges should be pursued by this family, against the
trainmaster as well as csx, accidental deaths are prosecutable if there
was neglect, and the trainmaster definitely showed neglect. The coverup
is underway.

Name: 
E-mail: mikewardisgay@gmail.com
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 12 May 2009

Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years:

you hit it dead on! this accident could have been prevented, doesnt CSX
say there are no such things as accidents? So i guess this was just
STUPIDITY and IGNORANCE on the train masters part. Which then turns
into the same STUPIDITY and IGNORANCE  on the carriers part for hiring
this idiot.

and for any official that may be reading this, that is my real email
address if you want to send me a little something something.......

Name: Sam 
E-mail: STRIKE
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 12 May 2009

Get the FRA involved?  Accidents are a way of life?

Don't blame the lazy ass unions?

It was the trainman's fault?   The cars were only 20 feet apart?

Accidents are swept under the rugs? No RCO laws for 8 years? 

AND JUST WHO THE FUCK ALLOWS THAT?!  

You squawk and piss and bitch and moan, and write stupid meaningless
bullshit on this site.  Action is needed - not more bull shit! 

If all you are going to do is write and bitch, not even a new united
union is going to help you ....why not just lay down on the tracks with
a big sign stuck up your ass that says: "FUCK ME HERE".?

"ON STRIKE - UNSAFE WORKING CONDITIONS"
Unsafe working conditions that results in a murdered trainman is as
good a reason as any to strike, demand a full congressional
investigation, and permanent suspension of the RCO program.   
Shut down the fucking railroads and shoot any scab that dares to cross
the picket line.   THAT is the ONLY way improvements in safe working
conditions will come about. PERIOD.  

24/48 or 72 hours is enough to raise a lot of HELL over unsafe working
conditions on the railroads.

If not now, WHEN?  

You can stick your head in the sand and your butt in the air, or you
can take postive steps to correct the situation.   

Which is it.  Are you a Railroad Man, or are you a coward?

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 12 May 2009

Name: spongebob
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 12 May 2009

Loco Eng. for 30+

   You say (get the FRA involved in a big way) what exactly do you
suggest they do?  The FRA and CSX can implement all the rules and
EO's
they want but injuries, fatalities are gonna happen.  Yes, it is very
tragic to see a young man loose his life.  But, it is the nature of our
work, accidents are gonna happen.  As you are well aware I'm sure the
lawyers from both parties are already preparing for a lawsuit.  I'm
sure that the moment this fatality took place that the CSX Fucks were
already looking for rules violations that led up to the fatality.  Just
wondering, what could the FRA have done before this accident to keep it
from happening?
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Well let's see there Sponge Bob:

1. Not allow RCO implementation in the USA until proven safe.
2. Insure that at least 2 people are on the job.
3. Have laws that govern their operation, instead of recommended
practices.
4. Not allow the carrier to self report the information during the test
period to affirm the falsely reported safety stats to the FRA.
5. Not allow employees with less than 2 or 3 years experience to be
operators.
6. Require a Engineer on all jobs.
7. Have a real training program, instead of a 2 week bull shit class.
8. Require a full time person to monitor the man down feature for each
remote job, that will immediately contact the employee if this feature
is activated.
9. Out law remotes.
10.Implement a law that gives an employee the RIGHT to REFUSE to
perform a job, if the employee feels it is unsafe, with no intimidation
from the company.
11.Require all Trainmasters to come from the ranks or for the college
boys, require them to work a minimum of one year on the ground(road and
yard), before they are given the authority to call shots they don't
have a clue about.
12. Require lock out devices on all tracks for RCO jobs, before a
person can do any coupling or maintenance to equipment in those tracks.
This may be over your head, so if you don't understand let me know and
I'll explain.
13.You want more, let me know.

I hope this answered your question about what the FRA can do. I can
think of at least 20 more just on the one topic. Now the next question
should be what can the carriers do. You want to tell me or should I
tell you.

Name: spongebob
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 12 May 2009

Hey Loco 20-30
  
    You call me a (whore for a trainmaster) but yet you sorry ass comes
on here and starts repeating rumors (there is rumors going around the
RCO.....................  sound like you have already made up your mind
that Mr. Boehlke is guilty of a rules violation.  You call me a whore.
I'm just curious, where did you get the information that the cars were
only separated by 20 feet.  Let me guess. One of your asswipe CSX
officer friends gave you the results of the download.  Nope, did'nt
think so, just like most other R.R.'s spreading bullshit rumors
without any facts, kinda makes you look like a real dumb fuck, don't
you think?

Name: Sponge Boobs Fan
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 20-30 years
Posted: 12 May 2009

Sponge Boobs is at it again. Sounds like a whore for a trainmaster  
Railroad Accidents are a way of Life.  Is that really so.  It does not
have to be that way.  Yes  there is rumors going around the RCO
fatality did not seperate cars far enough  just 20 feet or so but what
made it move or did he run the remote into himself.   

Lets just FLUSH Ingram down the Shitter along with many of his Nazi 
Gestapo Henchmen.  Major stockholders should demand better than this
corrupt bunch of scammers.  


Another sad reality of working for CSX 5th Best Class 1 RR

Name: spongebob
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 12 May 2009

Loco Eng. for 30+

   You say (get the FRA involved in a big way) what exactly do you
suggest they do?  The FRA and CSX can implement all the rules and EO's
they want but injuries, fatalities are gonna happen.  Yes, it is very
tragic to see a young man loose his life.  But, it is the nature of our
work, accidents are gonna happen.  As you are well aware I'm sure the
lawyers from both parties are already preparing for a lawsuit.  I'm
sure that the moment this fatality took place that the CSX Fucks were
already looking for rules violations that led up to the fatality.  Just
wondering, what could the FRA have done before this accident to keep it
from happening?

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 12 May 2009

Fuck the Harriman Award, fuck Mike Ward and fuck you Sam. Now is not the
time to be pumping up your new union.  It is the time to get the
FRA involved in a big way. Not even any concrete laws are in effect for
remote operations after 8 years. One man operations, how dumb are these
railroads and the FRA to allow this. A self reporting system by the
carriers has allowed them to falsify the records that the FRA used in
order to determine how safe they are. Anyone that works in the trenches
knows the railroads gave credit to RCO jobs that conventional jobs did.
It inflated the amount of work to look like RCO's were the best thing
since beer. Accidents were swept under the rug.

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 12 May 2009

Another Railroad worker murdered in the line of duty. 

Where was Union leadership? They don't step in to protest. They don't
step in to file a complaint. They don't demand Congressional action to
stop the killing of railraod workers. 

We have a Union that is full of pussy cats. 

We need a Union with some courage and leadership.

Name: Mike Ward
E-mail: CEO@CSX.com
Employed as: Corporate office, for 10-20 years
Posted: 11 May 2009

Dont worry - once Cock Sucker Xpress hires them 30 new trainmasters,
Saftey will be Numero Uno. 

So shut up and change those knuckles. 
-Mike

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 11 May 2009

A UTU member was fatally injured tonight on a one man remote control
assignment which was an East End puller in Selkirk, NY.  I have been
advised he was ordered to change a knuckle by himself after requesting
assistance from the car department.  The unofficial report is he twice
requested assistance from the car department as was ordered both times
by the trainmaster in charge he would be required to change the knuckle
without the assistance of the car department

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 11 May 2009

The suck's are at it again at Lafayette, IN.  CMC cuts the Eng. board
and cut back Eng.'s are taking calls for work (Y101 Sunday Day). Maybe
if these sucks would'nt answer the phone maybe CMC would increse the
boards and maybe I would get called back from furlough status, R.R.
unemployment does'nt pay for a shit.  Just remember while you're out
there bitching your fellow employees, I'm sitting at home collecting
unemployment, trying to support my family and pay the bills.   Don't
forget you big company sucks, we are watching. Hopefully, you'll get
deployed to Iraq again very soon.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: CSX Customer, for N/A
Posted: 08 May 2009

My attendance has been so horrible, i had to call in another day off due
to my sick parrot.  He works in the coal mines.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for 30+ years
Posted: 08 May 2009

what happens if CSX goes broke?

GM went broke.
Coal is being replaced by alternative energy. 
Trucks are replacing rail. 

What happens then?

Name: CSX Librarian
E-mail: 
Employed as: Corporate office, for 10-20 years
Posted: 08 May 2009

Please do not GOOGLE CSX Trainmaster Danny Spencer.  The search might
flood your computer.  I save every post and store these for future
use.

The 5th Best Run Class One Railroad in the USA.

Name: avejoe
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 08 May 2009

hey there shockey there is nothing wrong with hairy women maybe black
women but not hairy  lol

fuck csx fuck the econmy and fuck all those working for csx makin the
big bucks i see you drive by and flip you off 
sorry in advance for this lol

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 08 May 2009

Name: htlong
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 07 May 2009

sonny,
i also tried to warn these lemon heads not to buy the autos with fart
pipes/20 in rims and low profile tires/rent dont buy their homes for
at
least 5 years. did they listen?   NOOOOO!

no one warned me about the ups and downs of the economy, these
youngins
havent ever been through a bad economy but the bubble burst.
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Sure they did, I heard it from everyone. Save your money for a rainy
day. I did not listen and looks like you did not either. When a poor
boy get's a few bucks he does not listen. I bought a Corvette??? Lived
in a rooming home for $6.00 per week. HTL you may have fucked up but it
was not because no one tried to help you! That is BS and you know it.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 08 May 2009

I wonder how that can of open sardine juice I poured into the TM's car
trunk is going to smell tomorrow.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 08 May 2009

Pop's

No one is hiring right now. I put in an application with the UP to hire
out as an engineer in 2006 in Rawlins Wyoming. I got 8 voice messages
for a new trainmen hiring session. I went on the website an rejected
them all. The 9th call was finally a human being he was curious why I
rejected all offers. UP doesn't force anyone to engine service it's
still voluntary. I asked him if he read my resume' his response was
our type of railroading is antiquated an obsolete. Just like CSX they
want things their way. I told him to kiss my antiquated an obsolete
arse.

Sonny

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 07 May 2009

Hey Con 1-10:

CSX made these moves to keep from losing money. Whether or not they it
will succeed is yet yo be determined.

In regard to your 1000 shares...the equity market is like a crap
game...at any given time you may be up or down depending on your acumen
and market conditions.

You haven't lost anything until you sell your stock. If the value of
the stock is down 40K you bought it at a premium. As long as it's not
pledged as collateral and CSX stays solvent you'll be alright

Name: htlong
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 07 May 2009

sonny,
i also tried to warn these lemon heads not to buy the autos with fart
pipes/20 in rims and low profile tires/rent dont buy their homes for at
least 5 years. did they listen?   NOOOOO!

no one warned me about the ups and downs of the economy, these youngins
havent ever been through a bad economy but the bubble burst.

I have aunts and uncles who suffered the deppression and to this day
will hobble to the basement to turn off a light so as not wasting
electric.
I just hope after the whining stops they remember......." nothing last
forever" whether it be good times or bad.

I myself lost 2 houses,2 wives, and several cars....they need to grab a
shovel and wait this out , crying wont get them back to work and if I
was in there shoes with the way the rr is treating them I would look
elswhere for work,I moved and railroaded in 17 terminals 4 states, go
where the work is.
are any western rr hiring?  I came so close to moving to montanna for
the low sulphur coal in the early 80's......kind of wish I did...big
sky country!!!!!

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 07 May 2009

And on several railroads.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 07 May 2009

Trainmasters are lower than whale shit. I like to pick on people just a
little higher than trainmasters.

Name: Justin Shockey
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 30+ years
Posted: 07 May 2009

Matt Sanders loves fat, black, hairy woman from what I hear when I went
to my investigation the other day.  Look out Predator!!!!  He is coming
for you!!!hahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahha  And winning an arguement
from a CSX employee in Baltimore (LET ALONE IF IT IS ON LINE OR NOT) is
not hard.  It is LIKE FIGHTING IN THE SPECIAL
OLYMPICS!!!hahahahahahhahahahahaha  Just working there is a tribute to
the special Olympics!!!hahahahahahah  Dumbass waterheads!!!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 07 May 2009

Looks like Z will get his chance to kick some Trainmaster ass again. 

CSX is hiring 30 idiots to be TM - now's your chance Zorro.  Kick 30
asses at one time.  Would be some kind a new record to kick that much
TM butt all at once. 

Quick, Zorro, join up now.  Kick some booty and save us.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 07 May 2009

Cock Sucker Xpress has thousands furloughed across the system,
terminated or fired hundreds of management positions, shut down yard
shifts (if not entire yards) and put thousands of cars and locos out of
service.....they are loosing money.    

AIG paid dividends to its shareholders, and so did Fannie Mae and
Freddie Mac.  So did GM before they went to uncle sam for a handout.
CSX can give out 22 cents in dividends today and file bankruptcy
tomarrow. My 1,000 shares comes to $220 in dividends.  Of course, I
lost about $40,000 in stock equity,,,,$220 does not quite go far enough
I would say.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 07 May 2009

Hey Con <1:

Is this the advertisement you're talking about?

         https://csx.taleo.net/careersection/2/jobdetail.ftl

I doubt CSX will find too many applicants coming out of the ranks that
will meet these qualifactions...which is what's wrong with CSX today.
They're hiring college boys with no railroad experience as front line
managers.

As far as CSX bleeding money, they're not. CSX declared a $.22/share
dividend today:

CSX Corporation Declares Quarterly Dividend 

JACKSONVILLE, Fla., May 6, 2009 /PRNewswire-FirstCall via COMTEX/ --
The Board of Directors of CSX Corporation (NYSE: CSX) today approved a
$0.22 per share quarterly dividend on the company's common stock. The
dividend is payable on June 15, 2009, to shareholders of record at the
close of business on May 29, 2009. 

CSX Corporation, based in Jacksonville, Fla., is a leading
transportation company providing rail, intermodal and rail-to-truck
transload services. The company's transportation network spans
approximately 21,000 miles with service to 23 eastern states and the
District of Columbia, and connects to more than 70 ocean, river and
lake ports. More information about CSX Corporation and its subsidiaries
is available at the Company's web site, www.csx.com. 

SOURCE CSX Corporation 

Companies that are bleeding don't pay dividends!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 07 May 2009

a little odd they want 30 TMs when the whole system is bleeding money. 

Seen this trick before.  Promote 30 out of the union - contingent on
giving up seniority.  Never fails to snare 30 little fresh fishies. 

The ol cock sucker punch.  All the roads use this game. LOL.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 07 May 2009

Hey Con <1:

Unless I misunderstood, promoted craft keep thier seniorty...seen too
many move up, move back down and never miss a beat!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 07 May 2009

2400 furloughed and , hey,  CSX is hiring 30 new trainmasters. 

Of course, once you give up your seniority and kiss the White man's
donkey ass, they will most likely fire you - no union seniority, no
job. 

Sneaky.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 07 May 2009

Maybe if you weren't such a dumbass you would only post on the thread
you're responding to.

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 07 May 2009

Hey Loco +30, last time I checked a person still needed a home to live
in and a car to get places.  Those are basic necessities even for you
unless you are like the guy on man vs wild and make your house out of
random trees and bark and tie giant leaves around your feet and travel
through the jungles.  Your been there done that mentality doesn't help
people who are out of work and can't even afford basic health
insurance.  If all you guys out here who already had 30 in by 55 and
would retire then half of those 2400 out of work right now would
probably be back. 
On another note, I really feel for all you men up there in Buffalo. 
From what I had heard though they have been talking about shutting that
place down for years.  I guess if you have a home up there though and
nowhere else to go you have to wait it out and see if the worst
actually happens.  Turns out it did.  
CSX BLOW, the people who run this company could give two shits about
the men laid off right now. As long as they are making profit for the
stock holder all is well.  I think that their main goal is to get the
stock back up to around 50 or 55 and then I see ole Mikey dumpin and
runnin.  Cutting back employees is a great way to save them money and
maximize profit so you get the picture.  Furloughing is definitely
option numero uno!!
Lastly, I hope you guys down there in coal country saved some money
while the iron was hot.  The future of coal doesn't look too pretty
and Obama isn't going anywhere anytime soon.  I think before its all
over the coal region will be hit harder than anywhere with furloughs. 
Until gas goes back up or the tree huggers go away its going to be a
long rough road.  My heart really goes out to you guys down there where
opportunity is definitely slim.  
Keep your heads up guys, one day Mr. Ward and friends will wake up to a
really hot place and wonder where they are.  By then their mistakes as
men on this Earth will have caught up to them but they still might be
scratching their heads wondering what they did wrong. Greed surely is
one of the seven deadly sins Mr Ward.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 06 May 2009

We tried to warn people. No big purchases. It's a case of people have
to learn from their own experiences.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 06 May 2009

Thats funny Brakeman less than 1 year. I feel your pain brother. I
already lost my cars and house and thats not a joke. This company
doesnt give a rats ass about its employees. I still steadly am getting
legit claims declined. I hope the officials of this company choke on a
steak tonight when they sit down to eat. We all know where they are
going when they do die. You cant treat your employees just because
you`re a greedy person and one day they will have to answer for what
they have done.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 06 May 2009

RR hamilton pocket watch for sale. Laid off and need money. Sold the car
and house. Live in a horse barn for now. Pimp the wife for money. Ate
barbeque dog last night. Does anyone know if choochoo U gives refunds?

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 05 May 2009

Heck man I loved it, just hate to see you spend so much time on a
special tribute to me. Write a book I will be the first to buy it.
By the way they never hollered Mrs Goober just Goober, Goober, Goober,
Mom said someone is hollering for you, so out we go.
Later got a job with the RR, just a cushy job. Looked right and left
and decided Not me--- got me a salesman's job, sell them smokes. Best
thing I ever did. Looking back, most likely should have joined Kraft
and sold cheese. Being Greedy I took the money, Kraft salesfolks made
less!
What I did not know was they did less?

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Name: Allman Brothers
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 01 May 2009

As the sun began to fade and the wind became silent, I reclined in my
lawn chair and watched as the stars begin to glow. As I drifted int0
years past I couldn't help but remember a child in the old
neighborhood I grew up in.

We played various kids games growing up. Football, baseball, kick the
can and the rest of the ansambel that so many kids play under the
corner street lamp. This one kid seems to stick in the back of my mind
and I chuckle every time I think of him.

We were poor, as were all the kids in our close knit neighborhood.
One thing we did possess was ingenuity to overcome the technical
problems of not having the money to buy footballs, baseballs, etc.

Now my face breaks into laughter as I remember these formative years
and think of this one child. His name was Goober. Whenever the kids
united in play, we always had to go to Goober's house. Without Goober
we couldn't play our games. It was a must he was there.

I can still hear it in my mind today. The conversation usually went
something like this. " Mrs. Goober, can Goober come out and play.".
She would scurry off and tell him to go outside, we wanted him to play
games under that old dim street lamp. If it weren't for Goober we
never could have played. You see Goober was used as the football,
baseball and the can. He didn't have any arms or legs and very little
body. His head was oval and ideal for batting practice. I have never
seen a football that was as aerodynamic as Goober. 

I've often wondered what happened to him. I was told he became a
cigarette salesman and liked to visit railroad forums.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 04 May 2009

Debbie Does Dallas and the corporate office and anyone else she can.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 04 May 2009

Well I guess we do. Considering your a poster, yours must be also.

Name: Debbie
E-mail: 
Employed as: Corporate office, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 04 May 2009

The posters on this site have a total IQ of ZERO.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 04 May 2009

Sam: Mark me off sick.
Crew Caller: Sorry we have been instructed not to mark anyone off.
Sam: You don't understand, I'm sick.
Crew Caller: Sorry Bud, no can do.
Sam: Please let me mark off.
Crew Caller: I told you no. You have to have Management permission.
Sam: OK then. 

1 minute later. Ring Ring

Crew Caller: Sam, I need you to work. Be there in time.
Sam: OK I'll be there. Thank you very much.


Crew Caller: Zorro, I need you to work.
Zorro: Fuck you, mark me off Union business.
Crew Caller: Yes Sir Mr. Zorro.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 04 May 2009

So how many marked off Friday? Not many I guess, no bragging going on. I
enjoyed my day. New union my ass.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Engine repair, for 10-20 years
Posted: 04 May 2009

I am more intelligent than any CSX management, let alone CSX employee in
Baltimore and got the hell out when the timing was right!!! 
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb

He just isn't smart enough to post under one heading.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 03 May 2009

From the REAL FOGHORN LEGHORN,

     That sounds like something I WOULD LOVE TO DO!!!!!  I have to
agree with the gentleman below who tried to use my nickname to cover up
for himself.  But I have to give respect to him for two reasons:

1) He used my nickname to say something "I" would love to do and he
used my name because he STILL works at that shit hole unlike me because
I am more intelligent than any CSX management, let alone CSX employee in
Baltimore and got the hell out when the timing was right!!!  (I realize
this website is looked at globally, let alone nation wide.  But that
doesn't take much to be more intelligent than anyone in
Baltimore...PERIOD!!)

2) I consider you a gentleman for being on the same page I am.  I
honestly consider that a compliment and THANK YOU!!:0):0):0):0)...Use
my nickname all you want!!!!!  Have a safe CSX DAY!!!  Safety is a way
of life!!!  You will need it in BALTIMORE!!!LMAO LMAO LMAO  No matter
what route you go!!!...  :0):0):0)....

FOGHORN LEGHORN.......(Whats up Danny??)

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 03 May 2009

Well Lloyd, I was prepared to join you in the great CSX swine flu
epidemic yesterday, but I got cut off again and couldn't even hold
anything to mark off from... but I was there with you guys that had the
balls to do it in spirit.  I hope the HOS law comes into effect shortly
and is not delayed again and Mikey Ward and the boys take it straight
up the arse!!!  Maybe some of our furloughed brothers and sisters can
actually mark back up then!

Name: laid off
E-mail: allenwill2001@yahoo.com
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 02 May 2009

i am not working cause they dont have any work fuck csx and fuck u

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 02 May 2009

Right on brother! This bud's for you throttle puller!!

Name: Throttle Puller
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 02 May 2009

Well, I just marked off sick...told them I thought I had the "hog
flu".  The caller kinda chuckled and said you mean the Ingram flu?  

Let's see how much of a following LLoyd has today.

Name: foghorn leghorn
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 01 May 2009

Last night, I fucked Michael Ward's soon- to -be ex- wife. I bent that
little whore like a pretzel and shot a load in her ass. It was the
least I could do for the team. Video footage to follow.

Name: Lloyd Christmas
E-mail: gofuckyourselfWARD@go.com
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 01 May 2009

As you all know the hour is approaching of our national we are sick and
fucking tired of getting bent over by CSX day.  Unless you have been
hiding under a rock or you never read this site I asked everyone out
there who has a pair to find something else to do tomorrow or mark off
in whatever way possible.  If you are on the verge of getting fired
over your attendance already I really don't advise this but if you are
like most of us do the right thing tonight or tomorrow and stay at the
house.  You know technically since the economy is so bad and all this
really should have no affect on their business.  If you really want to
make a statement..albeit a small one...please do the right thing from
12 tonight until 12 am May 2.  If you can't do that than at least
delay your train or someone elses as long as you possibly can.  You
guys who do take tomorrow off make sure you have a cold one and if I
could buy you guys all a beer I would. God bless all you guys who put
up with this horseshit..Im out!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 01 May 2009

NoMo


"Clarabell at Avon...tell me it ain't so!"  It is fuckin so.

Clarabell fired Tom Wolfe's cousin at Avon the other day then someone
called him back AKA  Trainmaster RoadForeman Joe Berry

Clarabell had 2 more derailments after firing Joe Berry on a derailment
the other day.    So the Avon WARNING is legit and has been elevated to
a higher level now.   Is May 1st CSX Swine Flu Day   Sounds like there
is lots of Swine at CSX     The flu should leak out and infect the
railroad soon.   Unless there is to many Chickens out there.   


Can Chickens get Swine Flu????????

Name: Allman Brothers
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 01 May 2009

As the sun began to fade and the wind became silent, I reclined in my
lawn chair and watched as the stars begin to glow. As I drifted int0
years past I couldn't help but remember a child in the old
neighborhood I grew up in.

We played various kids games growing up. Football, baseball, kick the
can and the rest of the ansambel that so many kids play under the
corner street lamp. This one kid seems to stick in the back of my mind
and I chuckle every time I think of him.

We were poor, as were all the kids in our close knit neighborhood.
One thing we did possess was ingenuity to overcome the technical
problems of not having the money to buy footballs, baseballs, etc.

Now my face breaks into laughter as I remember these formative years
and think of this one child. His name was Goober. Whenever the kids
united in play, we always had to go to Goober's house. Without Goober
we couldn't play our games. It was a must he was there.

I can still hear it in my mind today. The conversation usually went
something like this. " Mrs. Goober, can Goober come out and play.".
She would scurry off and tell him to go outside, we wanted him to play
games under that old dim street lamp. If it weren't for Goober we
never could have played. You see Goober was used as the football,
baseball and the can. He didn't have any arms or legs and very little
body. His head was oval and ideal for batting practice. I have never
seen a football that was as aerodynamic as Goober. 

I've often wondered what happened to him. I was told he became a
cigarette salesman and liked to visit railroad forums.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 01 May 2009

Allman Drivel
Bet you read it and it makes a long story. This guy should write books,
and try to sell them. Awful insite. I hear that cocaine makes one bounce
from topic to topic????

Name: Allman Brothers
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 30 April 2009

The hour was late, and the bartender was checking his watch.

Inevitably, the conversation turned to one of those deep, philosophical
questions that arise so easily after midnight. No, it wasn't "What is
the meaning of life?" Rather, it was "Are unions relevant today?"

I listened to the usual arguments. Unions are in decline. Fewer people
belong to unions. The percentage of the work force that's organized is
going down. Leadership is out of touch with the rank-and-file. Unions
don't understand global competition, and the need for companies to be
lean-mean-keen. Politically, unions are either inept or impotent,
losing on NAFTA and unable to get a striker replacement bill passed.
And in the rail industry specifically, unions have in effect lost the
right to strike.

In an attempt to keep the conversation on a high, philosophical plane,
I recalled the old quotes about there being strength in unity, and
about how if folks didn't hang together then surely they would hang
separately--even Abe Lincoln's bit about the house divided that
couldn't stand.

Then I recalled the quote I've liked best: "At the banquet table of
nature, there are no reserved seats. You get what you can take, and you
keep what you can hold. If you can't take anything, you won't get
anything; and if you can't hold anything, you won't keep anything.
And you can't take anything without organization."

Who said that? It wasn't Samuel Gompers, Walter Reuther, John L.
Lewis, George Meany, Lane Kirkland, or any of the other labor leaders
in labor's hall of fame. It wasn't even Eugene V. Debs. It was A.
Philip Randolph, founder of the Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters
and, incidentally, the man who conceived the 1963 March on Washington
at which the late Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., delivered his "I have a
dream" speech.

I never had the honor of meeting Mr. Randolph, who died in 1979. But I
am an admirer. He brought organization and dignity to a group of people
in an industry which at that time relegated black people to the red,
white, and blue jobs--red caps, white jackets, and blue jeans.

The bartender threw us out. But I knew I'd won the "philosophical
discussion."

Today, though, what about organized labor's role and its relevance?
What about organized labor and the railroads?

Let's limit the discussion to the railroads. Would they be happier if
there were no unions? No. Unions provide a focal point for
management-labor conversation, and sometimes cooperation. Would
railroads be happier if there were fewer unions? Of course. The unions
would be happy as well. Do railroads want changes in the Railway Labor
Act? They say they don't, and the unions agree. Would railroads and
rail unions prefer that the federal government keep their hands off in
a strike/lockout situation? Ah, there, you get a certain amount of
waffling, on both sides, because while posturing is one thing, reality
is sometimes another. The same applies to questions about the National
Mediation Board and its ability to hang onto a dispute forever (or so
it sometimes seems).

We've recently seen a case of government intervention, outside the
Railway Labor Act, when President Clinton made phone calls and got
American Airlines and its flight attendants to agree to arbitration of
unresolved issues, after a very brief (but disruptive) strike.

Except for the people whose travel plans were disrupted, public
sympathy probably lay with the strikers. Frankly, it's hard to look
upon American's boss, Bob Crandall, as a sympathetic figure even
though his company has lost a lot of money, his "simplified" fare
plan didn't work, and it took AA long after airline deregulation to
decide that it needed to cut labor costs (basic necessity, masked by
growth, perhaps). And from the first day of the walkout, American
threatened to fire strikers and hire permanent replacements (something
that Caterpillar didn't threaten until its employees had been on
strike for about five months).

Sure, I'd like to see union leaders put their political jobs on the
line by cooperating more willingly with rail management in making the
industry more efficient, more competitive. And sure, I'd like to see
rail management really recognize that "employees are our most
important asset," without trying to cut to (and into) the bone while
trimming what's perceived as fat. And I'd like to see government
playing a minimal role, leaving it to the parties to settle their
differences.

There are not hundreds, but thousands of problems generated from both
parties, carriers and Unions. Until both parties realize they are the
problem we continue as is.

Sam would like to form a new Union and take immediate action to
accomplish his goal. He hasn't told us anything new. If you have been
in the carriers employment one month or 50 years, we know the problems
exist. There is no need for him to keep telling us in post after post.

When will a new Union be formed? The answer to this is as the work
force continues to shrink due to technology.  This isn't what Sam
wants to hear, or any other rail worker. There will probably be
approximately four Unions representing all crafts. The first major
change will occur in the operating crafts. Several things will have to
happen before T&E are combined. First and foremost the carriers will
have to persuade the FRA to allow reduced crews. Second there will be a
blitz on the general public to convince them it is safe. Third will be
to hash out who gets the work. The BLE and UTU could merge at this time
or one may win out over the other. Sam's Union won't be around to see
this. His Union may do their start up in 5 to 8 years, as the work
force continues to shrink. The Tony Ingram's will still be around.
Maybe not him personally, but people who think like him. The workers
will still increase worker productivity, as they always have. The
companies will continue to reap record profits.

What can Sam do about this? Not a thing.

There are things that can be done, but before that happens both sides
will have to make changes. Hypothetically, if the carriers were to
start treating us as assets tomorrow, it would take several years for
us to trust them because we have never been able to believe what they
say.

What Sam wants and gets are going to be two different stories, maybe
even books. Everything he has talked about has been talked about for
years.

Z

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 30 April 2009

Pop's

You're right. There are some good ones. I just read one post on the
courtesy section reminded me of my early days he gets furloughed every
winter like I did in Walbridge. If I'd stayed in Walbridge it would of
taken me 12-15 years before I stood for work year round. He's probably
drunk venting about quiting. We didn't have any venues to complain
back in those days. 

What irks my arse the most is the 0-2 year conductor that knows it all
they don't want advise. A job that use to take 45 minutes now takes 4+
hours trains hog on the road all the time. I've just resigned myself to
the fact that they don't want to learn and take some advise as long as
they aren't going to injure or kill me or themselves more power to
them. They definitely are boosting up my retirement savings. 

Sonny

Name: HTLONG
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 30 April 2009

IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN......this new bunch is part of the me
generation,they never had to wait for anything, I call them the
microwave generation,everything is right now.

I was furloughed over 8 years  until I had 20 yrs service,they want it
the got it, so asking them to band together isnt going to happen,they
will blame each other,and the company knows this.

when I would ask when I would be recalled they said when business picks
up one time was 3 1/2 yrs another over 2 yrs, the rest were 3 to 9
months,rring goes by the economy not because you want to work,either
enroll in school or grab a shovel and wait it out.....that is what I
did. but the way the rr is today,I dont think I would be coming back

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 30 April 2009

Hey Loco 30+:

I know you, HTL, Z and many more old heads care about the Railroad
and the men that will operate in the future...your class shows.

I however get the impression that most of the new hires (less than 5
years) that post here, think you all don't and are out to screw them.

Today the railroad is a young men's career...the old heads are fading
fast and the last of the protected employees is within sight. When that
happens it'll be Katy bar the door.

It's up to the very ones that are bitching the loudest. They need to
become proactive in their respective unions and become TEAM players.

They may not like every proposal, clause or contract the union
negotiates but then again, they are the union...united we stand,
divided we fall!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 30 April 2009

I got furloughed in march and sat at home listening to guys from work
bitching about how much they were working. 8 on 8 off for those guys
the whole time I was off. times got tough for the queensgate yard. the
crew callers couldn't fill jobs half the time so they called me and 9
other starving conductors back. the management at QUEENSGATE said we
wouldn't have to worry about being laid off again, but here I sit 4
weeks later furloughed again. I made more money in the 4 weeks back
than i did in the first 2 months of the year. So what is my point? CSX
MANAGEMENT DOES NOT CARE ABOUT YOU OR YOUR FAMILY, YOU ARE JUST A
NUMBER SUBJECT TO THEIR NEEDS!!! WHEN THEY NEED YOU YOU BETTER ANSWER
WHEN YOU NEED THEM YOU GET AN ANSWERING MACHINE AND NO RETURN CALLS OR
EXPLANATION WHY!!! I know times are bad economically, but there is
plenty of work in Cincinnati to have kept us on the xtraboard.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 30 April 2009

NoMo

The reason Pop's (HTL), Z, and myself care is this new generation has
a lot of obstacles we never faced. We were fortunate to be around when
we had full crews. We had a conductor or engineer teach us the ropes
during our formative years. There are a of good people who have hired
out over the last 12 years. When we leave it's all up to them. Get
involved or it could crumble down. I talk to these new hires on one
important fact it only takes 6 people at a union meeting to make change
at the local level. You can't cry foul if you never got involved.
Laziness an ignorance isn't an excuse. 

RRJ (Sonny)

Name: Lone Ranger
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 30+ years
Posted: 29 April 2009

Wow,more holes in his stories than Swiss cheese. Sam The Old Head is not
becoming a statistic. He already is a statistic with 30 years.
WTF is with this dip stick. 30 years and cant get into the members area
on the engineers web site.WTF Over. UAW owns 55% of Chrysler starting
today. Economy is in the shitter and going to get worse. Bleeding from
the cash give aways. GM should never have got government money and
should have had to go bankrupt. Greed and failure to compete with
foreign makers killed them. SAm is going to grab the company by the
nuts. They are going to grab back with a knife and cut his off. Wrong
time to be grabbing. If the economy was good it may be the best time
with the Dems in. Your not grabbing nothing but a lot of dreams. A good
army knows when to strike. Muster the troops. WTF the troops have been
killed by the economy.
I want no cut offs at Frontier. Can you do it.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 29 April 2009

Sam, you have one more post coming from me. I'll wait until I have time
to write it, because it will take time. I think we all saw how many
marbles you had to play with when you refused to except the fact there
was no contract proposal. Like RRJ said, two pages of bull shit. I
think he was right about you being the dumbest mother  &%^*&^ he's
ever seen on here.

Name: SAM
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 28 April 2009

Z AND THE BLEATERS ARE GOING TO TAKE THEIR MARBLES NOW AND GO HOME TO
PLAY AMONGST THEMSELVES.  

DON'T FORGET TO PICK UP YOUR COOKIES AND MILK FROM GRANDMA ON THE WAY
BACK TO THE CLUB HOUSE - THE COMPANY CLUB HOUSE, Z?

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 28 April 2009

I'm done,just like Jim said, I don't know why I wasted so much time on
you. Look at your own survey, your advocating not only a two tier pay
system ,but a multi tier pay system. The two tier system has caused
enough problems. The answer is a system where we all make GOOD money.
One system with adequate pay live a comfortable life. You will not
solve the problems Sam, you will create more. There is only one way to
solve the problems. I may do one more post on that, then I'm done. I
really have some important issues coming up I need to handle. Your to
hard headed to listen. Your Union will never work just because of your
attitude. No better than what we have now.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 28 April 2009

I probably am wasting words. What all needs to be said, can't be on
here. I would be writing until I retire. There will be one operations
craft in the next few years. There will be only one on many thru
freights or hot shots. Sam isn't prepared for this. He thinks he can
stop it. There's going to be a lot of changes in Sam's time. Then the
next new hires will bitch at him about how he sold them out.

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 28 April 2009

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 28 April 2009

http://www.utu.org/worksite/PDFs/NCCC_section6_04.pdf

Sam, this was the 2004 Section 6 Notice filed by the carriers. It's
on
your UTU website. If you notice, some of the crap you posted is in
exact
agreement with what the railroads want.
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
You misinterpret my intentions.  I never said that jobs should be
consolidated where one person is doing the work of two or three. I
never said The FELA should be abolished in favor of a non-adversarial
State Work comp style system, I never said The company should get a 10
day stike notice. I never said employees should pay a larger share of
health care benefits. 

Z, you sound like a dis-agreeable person just for the sake of
disagreeing. I never said I dis-agreed with your thoughts on how to
improve union involvement.  I just disagree with the way in which you
want to stay the course with the "way things are done" with the old
Union paradigm. You want to ride the dinosaur, I want to ride the space
shuttle.    

NoMo is right.  The UAW took it in the shorts. $10 trillion in the
ecomomy vanished, and we all got stuck holding the bag. The company can
jerk your pension plan anytime they want man. You can go from a $3,000
monthly pension to $800 in a flash. Can you live with that z?   You and
the present unions have given the Carriers that power through abdication
to the status quo of decades of "this is how its done".  Wont that be
thought provoking if.....poof, no more pension. The railroad carriers
are not stupid.  You can bet this is on the chalk board as its being
discussed on this site. 

 Then, Z, if you get brain cancer from long term exposure to locomotive
diesel fumes (and, I hope you dont - wouldn't wish that on anybody) ,
and the Unions and company have terminated your third party litigation
rights,  and your health care insurer says the remedy is too
experimental and aint covered by your insurance cause the union and the
company "negotiated" health care coverage for RR retirees that
excludes treatment for your particular ailment, wont that be thought
provoking?  When your claim gets settled for $100 bucks and a $50
burial expense, will that be thought provoking enough for you?  Kinda
late though to be thinking about what could have been done to prevent
these senarios. 

The list is very LONG, Z.   You want things to remain the way they are.
 I think that is absolute suicide.  

So, at best, we can agree to disagree.  Too bad, but nothing wrong with
freedom of expression - even if my ideas are exceptionally innovative
and yours are frozen in time to the 19th century. 

Sure I have 30+ years. So did my father, and his father, and his father
before him. All my grandfather's co-workers, all my father's
co-workers and many of my co-workers have died pre-mature deaths
directly caused by unsafe conditions on the railroads. They dies right
along with my family. They all fought in the wars, they all came back
from the Wars, they all went to work for the railroads. The Unions
could have prevented many of those injuries and deaths by various means
including legal, financial and political. They couldn't and they
didn't.  

The Unions as they are cannot get the badly needed improvements in the
major areas of finance and economics that union trades workers need and
want.  The Carriers are just as blinded by traditional business as are
the Unions:  the company screams labor costs and gives the Union a wage
increase carrot. The Unions sell out the new hires, and allow health
benefits to increase. FELA stays the same, unsafe working conditions
stay the same (its cheaper to kill  you Z). Its the same old bullshit. 
No one is looking far enough outside the box.  

NOthing changes.  You still have the old curmudgeon company directors
who still live in denial that the railroad basically murdered thousands
of workers in the ultra-hazardous environmentss of the machine and
locomotive shops.  Labor is a cost. Costs are reductible, allocated to
the balance sheet like toilet paper.   

The Carriers have no incentive to retrain workers, no incentive to keep
workers that they deem "duplicative".  No incentive to make the work
safer. No incentive and no idea how to develop and invest the major
capital needed for R&D.  (they have a remote controlled diesel engine.
So what. My 35 year old son still has his remote controlled train - its
called a Lionel.  The Carriers and the Unions run their organizations
based on an outdated system of economics and laws  from the
Pre-Industrial revolution - the age of the iron dinosaur. 

The list is LONG Z. The grievances are many.  

So stop already with the Section 4 and the snipets of statistics from
Cleveland.  Put something more flavorful on the table - not the same
old hamburgers and fries.  

I dont support the way the UTTERS or the BLEATERS run our lives.
Can't.  

I dont intend on becoming another no-name "statistic" in someone's
business ledger.  

P.S. Don't just kick his ass.....once you snatch and eat the left
eyeball, snatch and hold the bastards heart while it's still beating -
let him live long enough to watch while you squeeze and pop it like a
water balloon, make the mark of "Zorro" on his chest with your Bowie
knife (and don't forget to piss on his pitiful quivering corpse before
leaving the table).

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 28 April 2009

Hey Z:

Yeah...you're right. The UAW doesn't work under the RLA but the
argument can be made that neither do the carriers or the unions!

I was adamant about the last round of negotiations...they were shitty
deals. Because of apathy, a minority spoke...now the people that
didn't vote want to bitch...imagine that!

I hate to say it, but the RLA, in it's present form, is a dinosaur and
will be extinct in the not too distant future.

Guys like you, Sonny and Pops(HTL)know that. It is beyond me why you
should care. In a few years you'll be gone as will so many others, on
with the next stage of your lives.

The new guys don't have a clue...they resent the old heads because
they don't retire...you are the reason they're furloughed. In a few
years they'll be getting cursed because they don't retire(assuming
they last that long).

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. Sooner or
later they will wise up...until then you're just wasting words!

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 28 April 2009

Now that's a big fatty.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 28 April 2009

One big difference, the UAW doesn't work under the RLA. Anything can
happen if the economy continues to go south. If it becomes a 1929
issue, nothing is secure. I n general it would have to get really
really bad to take away a raise and would take a hell of a lot of
doing.

Hope you enjoyed the cigars.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 28 April 2009

Hey Z:

I'm guilty as charged. The UAW had that crammed DOWN. The BLEt and UTU
could be next in line if they aren't careful. That's what the carriers
want...don't think for a second that they won't threaten to go
bankrupt to achieve that goal.

We all know that CSX plays games with their finances...where are the
wide bodies? In the weeds!

I'll come to the secret meeting and I'll bring this...

         http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=608_1240716809

You might need to lay-off for a couple of days... you're welcome to
HTL!!!

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 28 April 2009

Sam(NoMo), we aren't the UAW. Nothing in life is certain. If we have a
depression everyone's salary will be cut, no matter where you work.
You will see s&%t happen like you have never seen. If you think COLA's
will be there and raises won't, your mistaken.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 28 April 2009

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 28 April 2009

A raise is a raise...ask the UAW members!

  View This Article



Did you post this NoMo? I don't think you did.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 28 April 2009

Think Sam, Think. You have contradicted yourself many times in all your
post. I say," a raise, is a raise, is a raise," and get a 50 page
reply. I haven't made any comments about anything else you said, YET.
Sam, a raise is permanent, it can't be taken away. The raise has to be
large enough to out weigh inflation, but it is always there. I'm going
to say this one more time, check your history, know your facts.

Sam, did you read your unions and the carriers Section 6 Notices for
2004?

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 28 April 2009

A raise is a raise...ask the UAW members!

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 28 April 2009

A raise is a raise IF taken into context with other benefits. 

A raise is not a raise if my health care out of pocket costs go by as
much or more than my raise. 

A raise in not a raise if my gasoline prices for my car rocket out of
sight in one day. 

A raise is not a raise if my income is not protected when the economy
is in the tank.

A raise if not a raise when my food prices go up 10 times faster than
my salary. 

A raise is not a raise if my kids tuition cost 100 times more than my
tuition, but my  actual income adjusted for inflation actually fell
25%. 

The company does not want what I want.  What the company wants is to
continue to use labor as cheaply as possible, whenever it wants however
it wants. 

The Unions as they presently think and do things are no match for the
rail carriers.  They give you a bone and make you think its a steak. 

Heard it all before (yawn). 

Unions are not agressive - they are push overs. They are pussy cats,
better suited for Purina Cat Chow commercials. 

The next time you sit down across from some prima donna company
negotiator,  dont just kick his ass man,  reach across the table and
snatch out his left eye ball, add a little salt and pepper, then eat it
(plead self defense - he was lunging at you with a toxic contract term).


Unions give us the same hamburger every time (pickels and onions
optional but you have to give something up to get them -like your car
or your house.

I have never in my like seen any changes to FELA that benefited injured
workers.  Ever. I have never seen a cost of living increase on a monthly
or quarterly basis. Ever. I have never seen the Union bosses stick up
for common rank and file when their feet were to the fire on hot button
issues.  

They can put all the bells and whistles they want on these surveys -
good luck ever seeing them come to fruition. 

Rail carriers have us by the balls. They can lop them off whenever they
feel like it.  Wait till they cancel your railroad pension and still you
in social security - go from $3000/month to $800/month. 

It's coming.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 28 April 2009

A raise is a raise, is a raise, is a raise. It can't be taken away.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 28 April 2009

http://www.utu.org/worksite/PDFs/utu_section6.pdf

This is what your union, the UTU, asked for in 2004.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 28 April 2009

Sam, after your proposal I know I don't want to belong to your Union.
Many of your answers sound like what the railroads want. Think.

Name: SAm
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 28 April 2009

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 28 April 2009

I really enjoyed that secret meeting. I'll bill the BLE for the
strippers. We talked about a lot of secret stuff. There is more secret
stuff to talk about. I think the secret strippers should be invited
tomorrow and the secret BLE fund will pay for them.
////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Much more  believable. Open Bar of BYO? 
Who brings the cigars? Lap dances no charge on the house?

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 28 April 2009

Name: BLE
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 28 April 2009

OFFICIAL BLE&T SURVEY OF MEMBERS

This survey is being conducted in order to obtain candid answers of our
Brothers to better help us understand what the members of this great
Union would like to obtain in the upcoming contract negotiations.
Please answer the following questions to help us determine what should
be key issues in our negotiations.

1. What is more important to you.
   a. Job protection.
   b. Screwing new hires
X  c. Merging all unions into one centralized union for better
representation, stronger bargaining position, Union revenue production
in lieu of membership fees.

2. Would you rather work on a 
   a. mileage rate
   b. hourly rate
   c. free rate
X  d. contract rate based on craft, skill level, education, 
      training, performance, longevity, work/job requirements,     
      economic necessity, with shift and hazardous pay differentials

3. I would rather wage increases be by
   a. COLA
   b. GWI
   c. profit sharing
   d. a combination of the above
   e. by screwing new hires
X  f. quarterly, based on COLA (based on percentage price increase 
     on food, gas, housing, medical, interest rates, and 
     miscellaneous necessity expenses)

4. If you could make one single request in the contract proposal    
what would be most important to you.
X  a. Fire Hoffa and his cronies before they bleed the union dry.
X  b. Incorporate the New Unified Union as a Deleware corporation
x  c. Raise capital investment funds 
x  d. NYSE membership
x  e. Stock, preferred and common
X  c. Codify union workers as corporate assets

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 28 April 2009

Sam, just one example of things happening, when the members get
involved. 94 percent, far better than 30 percent on the National.

These members said what they wanted and the BLE delivered. 

BLET members ratify six-year contract at CN-WC 
CLEVELAND, March 5 — Members of the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers
and Trainmen who work on the former Wisconsin Central territory
overwhelmingly ratified a new collective bargaining agreement with
Canadian National on January 17. 

The agreement covers nearly 300 members. The six-year agreement (which
dates from April 1, 2005 through April 1, 2010) provides BLET members
with overall wage increases of 21.24 percent. 

An overwhelming majority of members voted to renew the hourly-rate
agreement, in which BLET members are paid hourly wages and enjoy better
job security in exchange for greater work rule flexibility for the
company. Traditional agreements are mileage- and rule-based wage
systems, which date back to the era of steam locomotives. 

The BLET members at CN-WC were the first in the country to ratify an
hourly-rate agreement back in 2002.

BLET General Chairman John Reynolds said 94 percent of eligible members
voted on the contract, which was by an 86 percent majority. 

In addition to pay increases, the BLET secured improved job
protections. A locomotive engineer will now be assigned to every job at
Wisconsin Central, including remote control assignments. The union’s “no
furlough” clause has also been extended to cover approximately 30
additional members who were not protected under the old contract. 

Improved work schedule assignments are also part of the new contract.
Under the old contract, members were forced to work six days in a row
with only one day off. Now, the assignments alternate from week to week
between five day and six day work weeks. The same applies to the
engineers’ extra board at CN-WC. 

In terms of health care, BLET members at CN-WC opted to belong to the
union’s national health care plan. The benefit to members is that they
are now eligible for bridge insurance, which provides health care
benefits between ages 60 and 65 (when they become eligible for
Medicare). Railroad Retirement allows employees to retire at the age of
60 provided they have 30 years of service, and the addition of the
bridge insurance will make it easier for Wisconsin Central engineers to
retire at age 60. 

In addition, maximum coverage under the union’s Short Term Disability
plan was extended from six months to a year. 

General Chairman Reynolds was on the negotiating team, along with BLET
Vice President Rick Radek, 1st Vice Chairman John Woyak and 2nd Vice
Chairman Eric Hau. Characterizing the negotiations as intense, General
Chairman Reynolds said contract talks with CN regarding the new
agreement began in late fall 2004. 

“I thank Rick Radek, John Woyak and Eric Hau for their hard work and
dedication to the membership,” General Chairman Reynolds said. 

"Although the negotiations were protracted, requiring mediation during
one phase of them, we are pleased that our membership so overwhelmingly
approved the results,” Vice President Radek said. “Given these
troublesome economic times, probably the strongest feature of the
agreement is the level of employment security it accords our membership
through its crew consist and protective benefit provisions."

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 28 April 2009

I really enjoyed that secret meeting. I'll bill the BLE for the
strippers. We talked about a lot of secret stuff. There is more secret
stuff to talk about. I think the secret strippers should be invited
tomorrow and the secret BLE fund will pay for them.

Name: BLE
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 28 April 2009

OFFICIAL BLE&T SURVEY OF MEMBERS

This survey is being conducted in order to obtain candid answers of our
Brothers to better help us understand what the members of this great
Union would like to obtain in the upcoming contract negotiations.
Please answer the following questions to help us determine what should
be key issues in our negotiations.

1. What is more important to you.
   a. Job protection.
   b. Screwing new hires
X  c. Fucking Sam

2. Would you rather work on a 
   a. mileage rate
   b. hourly rate
   c. Screwing new hires
X  d. Fuck Sam

3. I would rather wage increases be by
   a. COLA
   b. GWI
   c. profit sharing
   d. a combination of the above
   e. by screwing new hires
X  f. by Fucking Sam

4. If you could make one single request in the contract proposal    
what would be most important to you.
X  a. fucking Sam
X  b. fucking Sam
X  c. fucking Sam

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 28 April 2009

http://www.utu.org/worksite/PDFs/NCCC_section6_04.pdf

Sam, this was the 2004 Section 6 Notice filed by the carriers. It's on
your UTU website. If you notice, some of the crap you posted is in exact
agreement with what the railroads want.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 28 April 2009

I'll show you the handshake when we get there. I got the cigars and
strippers.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 28 April 2009

RRJ, the reason I wasted so much time with Sam was because he was taking
an interest in Union matters. Something you don't see much of with new
hires, which Sam is. He understands something is not right and wants to
make changes. As you are aware Union activism by new hires is almost non
existent. Sam has done some reading and googling. He thinks he has it
all figured out. He is off base though. He hasn't read everything
there is to read. The things he has read, he looked at the parts that
sounded good to him, without reading or understanding the rest of it. I
was hoping to get him involved in the Union process. Not for me, but for
him. I'm really worried about the lack of Union participation by the
young members. You and I are both short timers. What ever happens, we
can live with, we won't be here. 30 percent of the members voted in
the last National BLE agreement. Since we are the minority, it tells me
the young guys are not even voting on their livelihoods. The Union needs
strong individuals, that are willing to stand up for the right thing. I
thought Sam may be one of these people. I asked him a few basic
questions to see how he responded. All I got was no answers or smart
ass answers. By his latest post it is obvious he doesn't understand
very much, but tries to impress us with his unfounded knowledge. By his
very latest answers, it is apparent he can't except anyone's answers,
except his. He is the only one that has the TRUE answers. No one else
could possibly be right as is obvious by Sam's post last night. He
refuses to listen to reason, even when someone explains it in simple
terms and tells him over and over.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 28 April 2009

Hey Z:

Can we have a secret handshake too?

I bring the beer, pretzels and sawdust for the floor!

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 28 April 2009

Hey RRJ, let's go to the secret site, use the secret password and have
a secret meeting. Nomo, I'll email you a secret password so you can
attend. I'm emailing everyone on here except Sam. Promise you want
show him the secret hand shake. LMFAO


PS Don't forget to bring the secret contract. Mums the word.

Name: SAm
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 28 April 2009

We all know the BLEATER web site information is SECRET.

We BLEATERS belong to a SECRET society.  No debate, no discussion no
criticism.  We BLEATERS march like storm troopers to the drum beat. 

Seig Heil.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 28 April 2009

You're probabley the dumbest mother#*%@er I've ever read on this
website. If you had any brains just go to the BLET website it's on
their mainpage. You're most likely a fraud you're management or
don't even work for the railroad or not an engineer or you belong to
the UTU. 

"Z" figured you out. I just wonder why he wasted so much time. Ignore
ignorance once they don't have an audience they go away. 

Good-bye 

RRJ

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 28 April 2009

WHERE'S THE NATIONAL CONTRACT??  WHERE'S THE SURVEY??

Yep. Thought so.  The Union Bleaters are runnin scared.
Not gonna print and discuss their contract or survey on this site. 
No siree. 
Just read it, sign it, and shut up guys.  

Their "SECRET SOCIETY" has been BUSTED!

SECRET PACTS, SECRET RULES, SECRECY AMONG ELITE MEMBERS....these are
more reasons the present Unions are BAD for rank and file: 

SECRET SOCIETY UNION is a term used to describe a Union organizatiion
with clandestine organizations involving secrecy and secret knowledge,
which might include denying membership, denying  knowledge of the
group' goals, negative consequences for members who are critical of
the oranization's political and/or economic agenda, strong ties
between elite high ranking members of the organization, unusual
sadistic rituals which certain members and outsiders are not permitted
to join or observe, secret agreements between the organization and
outside entities to which uninformed members or the general public
would be strongly opposed, and engagement in sometimes unlawful or
criminal activity which by its nature requires a need for secret
operations. 

There you go.  THE BLEATERS EXPOSED.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 28 April 2009

NoMo

A section 6 is different that's serving intent with the unions giving
the railroads a list of what they are seeking for the next contract and
the same is true for the railroads section 6 notice. This survey is just
a wish list. What would the members like in the next contract. It's
that plain and simple. No hidden bullschidt. This is being made into a
bigger issue then what it is. In reality it isn't anything. Simple
questions in a multiple answer scenario.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 28 April 2009

Hey Loco 30+:

Wish list...would that be their Section 6 notice? Probably the same one
they issued last time and the time before that and the time before
that.

Nothing really changes...only the names to protect the guilty!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 April 2009

That was almost two pages of bullschidt over one person "Sam" who
can't get it through their cranium that it isn't a contract. It's a
frigging "wish list". Just like when I was in basic training in the
military they gave you a wish list of where you would like to be
stationed. The union wish list isn't that much different 99.9995% of
the time they give you the opposite. Nothing on the BLET survey
aka..wish list is a secret. It's just for members and like Z stated
you must establish a password to log in. We have a discussion area for
members at least we can bitch and complain about our grievences in a
union forum. One important issue that I've realised is all railroads
are the same. I've discussed issues with those from the UP, NS, BNSF,
CP, CN ect...we all have the same concerns.

Name: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 April 2009

http://unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/zorro.jpg

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 April 2009

Lets see one of you pro-union BLeaters post the survey questions.

$10 says the cowards run for the hills.

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

We don't want to show our cards before the hand is dealt, to quote you
Sam. Why don't you tell us about your mysterious pie in the sky union.
The one that won't cost anything. LMFAO 

Grow up little boy, it's time to get off the tit.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 April 2009

Name: SAM
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 April 2009

z, you can post all the philosophical stuff you want. (( I will TY))

Bottom line, a majority of members dont care. (( your right)) 

That's apathy, and that is caused by the Union's inability to
connect
with its membership majority. (( it's caused by the members not giving
a shit. until they do, it remains the same.)) 

It is the same with any political entity. If voters get the sense that
its elected leaders are not doing their job and none of them are
connecting with issues important to a majority of their  constituents,
the majority won't vote or participate. Your way off base Sam. Look at
Bush, the voters made sure we didn't have a carbon copy the next 8
years.))

That's called apathy, and we have a strong dose of it. It's called, I
don't give a shit and will leave it up to everyone else.)

(How may voted in the last Nat. Ag. Sam, percentage wise. I know
without googling it?)

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 April 2009

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 April 2009

If you can't reach down and grab your balls to post the National
Contract, then, 

Lets see one of you pro-union BLeaters post the survey questions.

$10 says the cowards run for the hills.

????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Hey Sam I have a idea. Why don't you post them, since you said you
have access to the site. There is no national contract. The survey
questions are for union members.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 April 2009

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 April 2009

So, no one wants to post the proposed contract language. 

Isn't that sweet.  We have a gagle of insecure cowards who dont have
the courage to post our National contract proposals on this site.

Not one Bleater poster will step up?


Cowards?
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????Sam,
how many times do I have to say it. There are no contract proposals
yet.

Sam , why don't you post it, if there is one and quit being a,
"insecure cowards who dont have the courage to post our National
contract proposals on this site."

You are one harded headed person. THERE IS NO CONTRACT PROPOSAL.

Name: SAM
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 April 2009

z, you can post all the philosophical stuff you want. 

Bottom line, a majority of members dont care. 

That's apathy, and that is caused by the Union's inability to connect
with its membership majority. 

It is the same with any political entity. If voters get the sense that
its elected leaders are not doing their job and none of them are
connecting with issues important to a majority of their  constituents,
the majority won't vote or participate.

That's called apathy, and we have a strong dose of it.

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 April 2009

If you can't reach down and grab your balls to post the National
Contract, then, 

Lets see one of you pro-union BLeaters post the survey questions.

$10 says the cowards run for the hills.

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 April 2009

So, 
no one wants to post the proposed contract language. 

Isn't that sweet.  We have a gagle of insecure cowards who dont have
the courage to post our National contract proposals on this site.

Not one Bleater poster will step up?


Cowards?

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 April 2009

Hey Sam. I just layed off sick. I layed off a day last week too. I'm
practicing for May 1. my local is tight, old and new. You know why
it's tight Sam? I make it that way. Each new member has a mentor
assigned to him/her. It is obvious by your threads, your real problem
is thinking you get screwed by the Unions and old heads. Your a cry
baby. Guess what Sam, unlike your local, the people in our local can
lay off without fear of going to an investigation.
It was not that way at one time, but it is now. Our guys have enough
sense to use the right within reason. We all know that if certain ones
abuse the right, we straighten it out between ourselves. When you get
abusive of the right, such as laying off every week end, the carrier
has a right to bitch. We police ourselves instead of letting the
carrier do it. We still get a investigation every now and then for
attendance, but have been very successful in defending our Brothers.
Will it always stay this way? Who knows. It depends on if we start
getting new members that abuse the lay off policy. You know the ones
that lay off every weekend and then wonder why they get charged. You
know, the ones that think they are special and leave the same ones on
the board to work every weekend. The ones that expect a LC to pull a
rabbit out of the hat every time they abuse the system. You know it's
the same ones that don't ever come to Union meetings, unless they are
in trouble. You know the same ones that won't take the time to vote on
their contract. Guess what, it's the same ones that want to put all
their anger toward the Union or LC when they get charged, because they
can't use a little common sense.
Oh, I almost forgot, it's the same ones that want to start a new
Union, because they think the old one didn't try to help them. The
Union is not your baby sitter. All our people know that. We stand
together and the company knows that. Does that mean they won't fire
someone? No it doesn't. Management will fire you in a heartbeat. They
have no morals. They will fire the entire crew to get one person if
they have to and yes that has also happened in our local.
I don't have pipe dreams. I know this shit happens. It happens on all
railroads. Is the answer a new Union? Maybe, maybe not. I don't see a
new Union helping, when people refuse to be active.
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
No wonder they hate the Union. No wonder you cant get their votes. You
fuck them to death with your secret contracts and your secret meetings.
( Sam there is no secret meeting, contract or hand shake. Who is
"they" and "their"? You say I fuck them. How could that be Sam, I
vote on my contracts. The they and theirs you are referring to are the
ones that fuck themselves, by not voting or taking part.)

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 April 2009

Sam, if you answer all the below question right, with no cheating, I
will give you the secret hand shake to get into the secret meetings.


How do you put a giraffe into a refrigerator? 

Stop and think about it and decide on your answer before you scroll
down.

  
  








The correct answer is: Open the refrigerator, put in the giraffe, and
close the door. This question tests whether you tend to do simple
things in an overly complicated way. 

2 .  How do you put an elephant into a refrigerator? 











Did you say, Open the refrigerator, put in the elephant, and close the
refrigerator? 
Wrong Answer. 
Correct Answer: Open the refrigerator, take out the giraffe, put in the
elephant and close the door. This tests your ability to think through
the repercussions of your previous actions..










3. The Lion King is hosting an animal conference. All the animals 
Attend .... Except one. Which animal does not attend?















Correct Answer : The Elephant. The elephant is in the refrigerator. You
just put him in there.? This tests your memory. Okay, even if you did
not answer the first three questions correctly, you still have one more
chance to show your true abilities. 







4. There is a river you must cross but it is used by crocodiles, and 
You do not have a boat.   How do you manage it?















Correct Answer:? You jump into the river and swim across. Have you not
been listening? All the crocodiles are attending the Animal Meeting.
This tests whether you learn quickly from your mistakes. 




According to Anderson Consulting Worldwide, around 90% of the 
Professionals they tested got all questions wrong, but many
preschoolers got several correct answers. Anderson Consulting says this
conclusively disproves the theory that most professionals have the
brains of a four-year-old.

Name: Johnnie the Torch
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 27 April 2009

Sam is a cut off employee. That is why he can post so much. Did someone
say trailer? I love contracts on trailers. It makes my day.
Anyone know where the nearest gas station is? I have some bottles to
fill.

Name: Bubba
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 20-30 years
Posted: 27 April 2009

Z is right. He's the man. BLE business is BLE business and no ones
else's business. I may have to send the boys around to Sam's trailer
if he keeps sticking his nose in our business.

Name: JHH
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 27 April 2009

Man, this Sam guy sounds wacko. Is he for real? There are meds, for his
problem. The BLE&T rules. BLE&T always. I Love it. I'ts super keen.
It's the best of best when it comes to Unions. It can't be beat.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 27 April 2009

Sam your so funny. Are you a comedian?

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 April 2009

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 April 2009

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 April 2009

Sam, it is open for all union members. Any trainman or engineer can
take the survey. They really don't want anyone going in filling out
the survey, such as management or some 10 year old surfing the net.
If you belong to the BLE you can vote.
///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

HORSE-SHIT.  . The survey can be posted with a block on filling it out
or otherwise altering it. As it is only members such as you and I can
see it. (( If you can see it, then post it moron))

No, you'r excuse is full of crap.  You Union Bleaters don't want any
"outside" criticism or constructive analysis. That's the bottom
line. (( It is BLE business and if your in the BLE, you have access.
Just as you said you didn't want to lay all your cards on the table or
discuss your plan on here. The BLE doesn't want the survey answered by,
non BLE members.))   

SHEEPIES ONLY ALLOWED. ALL OTHERS STAY AWAY.  Baaaaaaa. Baaaaaaa ((POST
it yourself. It's only a survey not a contract proposal. It' no big
deal, like your trying to make it out to be. ))

((Please use spell check))

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 April 2009

Name: SAm
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 April 2009

So, if its not "Secret", post the "Survey" (the proposed contract
terms)  on this site. ( The Section 6 Notices haven't been handed in
by carrier or union. There is no contact. It can only be opened for
negotiation 60 days before or somewhere in November. How many times do
I have to tell you dimwit, there is no contract, only a SURVEY, no
contract terms have been layed out.))

Let's see what the fellers have to say abou it. (( Say about what? We
were asked to fill out a SURVEY. You must be a UTU-E or you could tell
us. Better yet maybe a brakey less than 1.))

Put your mouth where your money is, titanium balls.(( Now just what
does that mean. Hey I have one. Put your mouth where my titanium balls
are and I'll keep the money in my pocket))


(( Please use spell check))

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 April 2009

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 April 2009

I think the reader gets it now.  The Bleater Commanders have a double
standard when it comes to "openness" in "union contract
activities". 
(big suprise). (( IT' not a contract, it's a SURVEY))

The Bleaters' boot licking contract proposal is TOP SECRET (sure
don't wont any constructive criticism or hear any opposing comments,
now do we).  (( It's a SURVEY, not a contract proposal))

The little sheepies are afraid the Boogie Man is going to eat them. 

The contract terms are a "SECRET" - the contract proposal cant' be
read or reviewed. Its "available online". (but good luck trying to
get acccess to read it). (( It's a SURVEY, not contract terms ))

Sure dont want anybody asking any questions, now do we? (( AS you said,
you didn't want all your cards on the table, besides it's a SURVEY))

Wonder who is gonna take it in the shorts this time? ((YOU are. All
members will get a hell of a raise, but you. We have a Sam exclusion
policy built in))

Probably those new young up and comers who you screw the crap out of
with your 'TOP SECRET' contracts.  Eh? (( There is no top secret
contract. It is a SURVEY.
No wonder they hate the Union. No wonder you cant get their votes. You
fuck them to death with your secret contracts and your secret meetings.
((There is no contract, only a SURVEY. What secret meetings. You sound
paranoid. Go to the shrink.))

 
Bleater Executives Message to rank and file: "just shut up and vote
for it".  (then kiss your ass goodbye). (( You can't vote, there is
no contract, to vote on yet.))

What a joke.   Anal retentive Bleaters.
( ( Please use spell check))

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 April 2009

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 April 2009

Sam, it is open for all union members. Any trainman or engineer can
take the survey. They really don't want anyone going in filling out
the survey, such as management or some 10 year old surfing the net.
If you belong to the BLE you can vote.
///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

HORSE-SHIT.  . The survey can be posted with a block on filling it out
or otherwise altering it. As it is only members such as you and I can
see it. 

No, you'r excuse is full of crap.  You Union Bleaters don't want any
"outside" criticism or constructive analysis. That's the bottom
line.   

SHEEPIES ONLY ALLOWED. ALL OTHERS STAY AWAY.  Baaaaaaa. Baaaaaaa.

Name: SAm
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 April 2009

So, if its not "Secret", post the "Survey" (the proposed contract
terms)  on this site. 

Let's see what the fellers have to say abou it. 

Put your mouth where your money is, titanium balls.

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 April 2009

I think the reader gets it now.  The Bleater Commanders have a double
standard when it comes to "openness" in "union contract
activities". 
(big suprise). 

The Bleaters' boot licking contract proposal is TOP SECRET (sure
don't wont any constructive criticism or hear any opposing comments,
now do we).  

The little sheepies are afraid the Boogie Man is going to eat them. 

The contract terms are a "SECRET" - the contract proposal cant' be
read or reviewed. Its "available online". (but good luck trying to
get acccess to read it). 

Sure dont want anybody asking any questions, now do we?

Wonder who is gonna take it in the shorts this time?

Probably those new young up and comers who you screw the crap out of
with your 'TOP SECRET' contracts.  Eh?
No wonder they hate the Union. No wonder you cant get their votes. You
fuck them to death with your secret contracts and your secret meetings.

 
Bleater Executives Message to rank and file: "just shut up and vote
for it".  (then kiss your ass goodbye). 

What a joke.   Anal retentive Bleaters.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 27 April 2009

Sam your so funny. Are you a comedian?

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 April 2009

Your UTU site gives you access to nada. In fact in the members
discussion area the GC's comment at times. YOU must be a real scab,
Sam, UTU-E?, with 30 years service.


Update Membership
Change address
Change e-mail address
Change password

We all have passwords to log on, UTU Sam.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 April 2009

Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers & Trainmen
Collective Bargaining Membership Survey 2009
Class I Railroads and Amtrak
Thank you for taking the time to complete and return this survey. Your
response will help shape and guide our approach in seeking the
collective bargaining improvements that are most important to our
Members working on your property.

SURVEY SURVEY SURVEY SURVEY SURVEY SURVEY SURVEY SURVEY SURVEY SURVEY

It is called a wish list. The company and Union will file their Section
6 notices, with each wishing to out do the other.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 April 2009

Gee Marge, I used my top secret password, annal scan, fingerprint ID,
and snot recognition security clearance procedure to log in to the
union site to read the damn contract, and low and behold, the union
says they won't let me read my national contract. 
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Gee Sam, I mean Homer, its not the contract. Duh, how many times do I
have to say the word SURVEY. You have to log in to respond to the
SURVEY. YOU FILL THE QUESTIONS OUT. Logging in lets them know what your
opinion is and you are a BLE member. If we didn't have to log in a
moron like you could answer the SURVEY. The site is for BLE members
only. UTU Sam, can't get into our site. If you could you could have
access to comments from all the railroads.

Name: Homer Simpson
E-mail: Simpsons.com
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 27 April 2009

Gee Marge, I used my top secret password, annal scan, fingerprint ID,
and snot recognition security clearance procedure to log in to the
union site to read the damn contract, and low and behold, the union
says they won't let me read my national contract. Hmmmmmmmm. time for
a beer. (glug glug glug)  Hmmmmmmmm. i musta been one a those secretly
polled guys. (scratches ass).  Hmmmmm. Gee, Marge. Maybe they didn't
get my dues.  Hmmmmm.   Funny, don't remember anything like
that......but wait....Hmmmmm.  Maybe they photo copied the contract
into my brain while I was asleep. (looks in the mirror)  Hmmmmmmm.
Nothing there. Maybe they sent it by mental telepathy.  YOu know. Like
the spies in the 007 movies do it.   Hokey Dokey. No sweat fellas. YOu
got my vote no matter what.  I support my union 1 million percent.  
Hip hip horarry and three cheers for our leader Mr. Jimmie Hoffa. First
thing im gonna due when i see that Hoffa fellow is tell him how much I
loooooooovvvvvvvveeeee him.  Marge, invite Mr. Hoffa to dinner. Maybe
if I slip him a few extra bucks under the table he'll let be a 100%
paid engineer instead of a partially paid engineer. Hmmmmmm.  Hmmmmm. 
MARGE!  Bart's been in the beer again! Dammit. Were outa dog chow.
Holy cow.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 April 2009

https://www.bankofamerica.com/



Access to the online survey is password protected.

??????????????????????????????????????????????????

Ok, stop right there.  How can a bank be "open" when it prevents
the reading of its survey regarding the customers personal financial
information????? 

Now, how ridiculous is that???????

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 April 2009

Now how open is a company, when they prevent a employee from reading
personal info. on all other employees. I should have all other
employees pin and password, so I can bid jobs in for them and look at
their personal information. LMAO

Join the BLE and you can vote the survey Sam. It's for BLE members.
There is a reason a person has to log in to vote on the survey. Just
like there is a reason, you can't acess everyones information at work.
If you vote the BLE knows you are legit. when we log in. You must belong
to the UTU Sam otherwise you would know how the BLE survey works and how
to log in.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 27 April 2009

Sam your so funny. Are you a comedian?

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 27 April 2009

Access to the online survey is password protected.

??????????????????????????????????????????????????

Ok, stop right there.  How can a union be "open" when it prevents
the
reading of its survey regarding the national contract????? 

Now, how ridiculous is that???????



It's not protected to prevent reading, it is protected to keep non
members from voting. Are you a Ble member Sambo?  If you are you can
read the survey and vote.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 April 2009

Sam, it is open for all union members. Any trainman or engineer can take
the survey. They really don't want anyone going in filling out the
survey, such as management or some 10 year old surfing the net.
If you belong to the BLE you can vote.

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 26 April 2009

Final reminder: Deadline for online collective bargaining survey is
April 30 
CLEVELAND, April 21 — BLET members still have the chance to participate
in the online survey the National Division is conducting to prepare for
the upcoming round of national contract negotiations.

Labor contracts or collective bargaining agreements do not expire under
the Railway Labor Act, but become amendable at the end of their term.
The current BLET National Contract was ratified in June of 2007, and
the wage increases were retroactive to July 1, 2005. Part of the 2007
National Agreement was a standard moratorium clause under which the
parties agreed not to seek any changes for a defined period of time.
The National Agreement becomes amendable on January 1, 2010, and the
parties agreed in 2007 that notices can be served 60 days before the
Agreement becomes amendable.

The 2,000 members chosen for the random survey are not eligible to
participate in the online survey.

The survey is located on the BLET website at:
http://www.ble-t.org/survey

Access to the online survey is password protected.

??????????????????????????????????????????????????

Ok, stop right there.  How can a union be "open" when it prevents the
reading of its survey regarding the national contract????? 

Now, how ridiculous is that???????

Name: Homer Simpson
E-mail: Simpsons.com
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 26 April 2009

Yes Brother Hoffa, we are all here to kiss your ass and blindly follow
where-ever you shall lead us because we are your humble servants and
gullible gollywoggers.   I dont care how much money is stolen from the
Union, I will just go about my own business like a motivate worker, pay
my dues, vote for whom I's told to vote for and what I'm suppose to
vote for and continue to post positive things about the union on this
CSX Sucks site. Just out of curiosity,  what does 'CSX Sucks' mean
anyway.  This doesn't have anything to do with perversions does it?  I
heard about those engineers in the bathroom - one railroad engineer was
checkin out another railroad engineer's throttle and whoooaaaa. Wait,
before you answer let me go get Marge so we can watch the sucking
together. Where's the popcorn and my beer?

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 26 April 2009

Your so funny Sam.

Name: Sam,
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 26 April 2009

What would life be without a little humor?

Maverick gives  good idea of the seething anger out there towards the
unions and the carriers. 

The business relationship between unions and carriers needs a BIG
ovehaul. 

Unions would be much more efficient and produce vastly better results
if they had to generate revenue that was not based on "dues" but
"revenues'.  

Secondly, the Carriers need to get out of the claims/injury
administration business. 

There is a large amount of market capital available what could be
utilized with some strategic changes in law and finance.  Both
unions(and members) and the Carriers could do well under changes, but
neither by themselves will ever get it done. 

Unions operate under an outdated legal, financial and political system.
 The Carriers are as stuck in the mud as the unions are. 


Vietnam, A loaded subject.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 26 April 2009

Amen Brother. I concur.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 26 April 2009

maverick

You're preaching to a deaf crowd. I agree with everything you stated.
I've waited for over 25 years hoping the unions would get back to what
they once were strong. That isn't happening. Even our newest members on
the railroad aren't union friendly. They bitch and complain over
selfish bullschidt. Like those petty arguements on the BLET website
about those who are promoted engineers but at times are cut-back that
think it's unfair because their paying full union dues. This "I"
"Me" "Mine" mentality will kill any chance of the unions becoming
powerful anytime in the future. I've hoped that maybe we could get
those who are running the unions out of office replacing then with
people who still have a lifetime to go before retirement. Like the
present BLE lackies that remain from people like the Don Hahs
administration they are totally corrupt. Next year will be the first
time BLET members will have a chance to vote in the national elections.
It became a reality before I retire.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 26 April 2009

Sam 

At least in Vietnam it was blood and guts man to man. None of this high
tech weapons that they have today. As a Mel Gibson movie title "We were
soldiers". I'm not putting down todays military anyone who has the
courage to face battle has my deepest respect. For myself I don't have
a sense of patriotism because during Vietnam our own people turned
against us. I'm not into warmongering like the last president who got
us into another bad war in Iraq. I've seen the people cheering our
troops in airports, not me. I'll cheer an be happy when our troops get
out of Iraq till then it's just senseless blood shed for a people that
hate us and don't want us in their country. The same scenario as
Vietnam. Afghanistan that's a different situation go kill that bastard
Bin Laden an anyone who belongs to Al Quida then go for any terrorist
with a vengence. As for the Taliban schidt we put them in power by
supplying them during the '80s to fight Russian troops. Bush like his
father and Raygun put alot of idiots in power like Noriega in Panama
then when these people didn't want to be American puppets decided they
should be take out. They were hypocrits. Pres Obama finally had enough
guts to tell the rest of the world it's not Americas responsibility to
be the worlds police it's up to all countries.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 25 April 2009

Sam I am. Your so funny. Are you a comedian ?

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 25 April 2009

Hey Will Blanchetti, I hope to see you in Blacksburg this fall. Come by
the south end of the stadium by RV parking (Diamond hokie lot where all
REAL hokie fans are).  I will be waiting for you!!!  Bring Matt "THE
RAT" Sanders with you.  I have a couple of boys that you might know
that would like to say hello.  Just old alumni that would like to share
a beer or two with you or BLOODY Mary's!!!!!  Have a safe CSX day and
hope to see you soon....:0):0):0)

Name: maverick
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 25 April 2009

You railroad clowns make me laugh. You think your Unions represent you?
You think the Unions need your dues to exist? WRONG! The carriers pay
the Unions more money per year than you will ever know...Because it is
illegal! But hey, It's America....Everything is ok. You clowns think
that a Union will stand up for you- when you pansies won't even stand
up for yourselves. Hilarious to think about what rights and privileges
you clowns have squandered over the years. Real Trainmen died to get
you these Unions and you pansies disgrace the memories of the real
trainmen that built this country. You boys got no backbone, so why do
you think your unions would be any different. Ask your union this:
'what have you done for me lately?' NOTHING?! And how much did it
cost you last year in dues? Wake Up, Get Up, Stand Up!

Name: z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 25 April 2009

Sam thinks my manhood is a joke.  It is not. I have a wife and littered
childrun faster then a jack rabbit. My momma is a very sweet lady and
only laid with the milkman twice that I seen an I still have the
pictures to prove it. I would never eat hairy VC burgers, much less get
brain rot and i only got the clap once or twice that I can remember. I
have to keep myself sharp and alart to kick some trainmister ass, so I
dont have the syphllis like sam says but the hair on my titanium balls
did fall out.  Shot a lot of gooks in my day. Killed a mess of them
commies. Sure we lost our asses in Nam but that was not my fault. Nixon
was a mad man who lost his cookies, but he had balls of titanium. I was
a gunner and the muzzle nozzle was my friend. Now I am gonna do your
wife then have a smoke. My name is z, remember me.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 25 April 2009

Sam is so funny. Are you a comedian?

Name: Troy
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 25 April 2009

Im callin in sick may 1 for better pussy.   

ya all with me?

Name: Tank
E-mail: 
Employed as: Engine repair, for 20-30 years
Posted: 25 April 2009

( AS AS my brain rots away, check your own brain.)

As as...? 

Got a stutter problem 'z'?  That's caused by buck teeth, that cums
from doing too much 'you know what'.

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 25 April 2009

Union "dues" are nothing more than the payment of "TAXES". 

And, the "taxes" we are paying are coming with less and less
representation. 

Paying union "taxes" is payment for illusory "ghost" protection -
illusory protection comprised of rights and benefits that Unions say we
will get, but in reality rarely if ever do we receive the promised
benefits that the rank and file want and need.    

A "taxes free" union is something the present unions do not want to
hear. They will fight it like a rabid dog to protect "their" dues -
"their" taxes.   

A "dues-less" union would take the power from the company sponsored 
unions and give it back to the rank and file where it belongs.  

Can you run a union without financial support from union dues? YES!
ABSOLUTELY,  a union can be run - and run far better - without charging
members "dues" as a means of union financial support. There are much
better ways of raising money than a dues tax to support a union  that
would by design be vastly better financed, staffed, and equipped to
provide for its membership. 

Why is it important to have a "dues-less' union?  Because such a
dynamic, fiscally responsible, organization would be far more capable
and motivated to transfer political and economic power back to the
employees - back to the rank and file - back to the trades where it
belongs. 

Its time we get rid of union "taxes".

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 25 April 2009

"z" the "Union Rep".  OUR UNION DUES HARD AT WORK.......... 

Lookit, Z, we don't care if your as Gay as a $2 dollar bill - but
please!.....It's NOT YOUR MAMA'S FAULT you became a sausage sucking
sex addict.     

Sure, you had a bad experience as with some Viet Cong prostitutes  who
gave you the clap and a nice big infectious dose of syphilis (you
forgot to use the Vodka "cleanser", remember?)   

But that's water under the bridge, Z.  Nam was 35-40 years ago, and
re-telling those old Army "Mama" jokes won't make your pain go
away,
laddie.  

Lookit, it's not your momma's fault that you turned into a socio-
psychopathic schizychophrenic transvestite with a vaginal ass, silicon
breasts, jelly lips, and shaved nuts. You are the one who made that
choice son, not her.   

As as your brain rots away, try to remember to give your momma a
break,
boy  - and stop blaming her for your disguisting sexual perversions.
With all your rantings, you're beginning to sound like a cross
between
Hannibal Lector and Buffalo Bill ('Silence of the Lambs'). 

In any event, "GOOD LUCK!" and thanks for sharing your secrets with
us Z - very enlightening.

Now, be a good boy and go see the company shrink.
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
As as your brain rots away, try to remember to give your momma a break,
( AS AS my brain rots away, check your own brain.)

If you sre going to be the spell police for RRJ, maybe you should spell
check your own threads, like this one.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 25 April 2009

Smart ass questions get a smart ass answer. The answers are free of
charge, just like your union. LMFAO

And remember there is no dumb question, there are only dumb people that
ask dumb questions. Sam, do something about those multiple
personalities. There is an excellent EAP in place for your use.
When you go to the Doctor, I will be glad to let you know what your
co-pay is.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 25 April 2009

What's up Sam. Still up to your old tricks.

Name: Roger Dodger
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 30+ years
Posted: 25 April 2009

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 25 April 2009


HHHHHHmmmmmmmmmmmm, Let me think a minute. I think it was after I
stuffed 8 inches of cock down your Mamma's throat and her eyes bugged
out. She's ugly enough to make someone gay. I had to quit there, that
snatch smelled like rotten fish and she had toilet paper hanging out
her ass when she spread those legs of hers. She told me her son Hank
was considered sexy. Said you had one tooth in your head and that
qualifed a person to be considered sexy in you inbread family.

Thanks for asking. All questions welcome.

******************************************************************

"z" the "Union Rep".  OUR UNION DUES HARD AT WORK.......... 

Lookit, Z, we don't care if your as Gay as a $2 dollar bill - but
please!.....It's NOT YOUR MAMA'S FAULT you became a sausage sucking
sex addict.     

Sure, you had a bad experience as with some Viet Cong prostitutes  who
gave you the clap and a nice big infectious dose of syphilis (you
forgot to use the Vodka "cleanser", remember?)   

But that's water under the bridge, Z.  Nam was 35-40 years ago, and
re-telling those old Army "Mama" jokes won't make your pain go away,
laddie.  

Lookit, it's not your momma's fault that you turned into a socio-
psychopathic schizychophrenic transvestite with a vaginal ass, silicon
breasts, jelly lips, and shaved nuts. You are the one who made that
choice son, not her.   

As as your brain rots away, try to remember to give your momma a break,
boy  - and stop blaming her for your disguisting sexual perversions.
With all your rantings, you're beginning to sound like a cross between
Hannibal Lector and Buffalo Bill ('Silence of the Lambs'). 

In any event, "GOOD LUCK!" and thanks for sharing your secrets with
us Z - very enlightening.

Now, be a good boy and go see the company shrink.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 25 April 2009

I can say I enjoyed losing the brain cells years ago and wouldn't take
anything for the experience. I tried to save a few for my old years.


Good thing Sam was a glimmer in his Dad's eyes during those years. I
don't think he could stand to lose any more.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 25 April 2009

Hey Loco 30+:

Yeah, that's about as good as it gets. You're a man with a
discriminating palate.

I'm cogitating on whether to pack a bag and head over to New Orleans
for Jazz Fest or the Flora-Bama for the annual Mullet toss?

Decisions...decisions!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 25 April 2009

NoMo

I figured I burnt out enough brain cells when I was younger I need to
perserve the ones that are left. Instead of mass quanties of alcohol
and drugs that lasted from the '60s to the '80s once every two weeks
I've combined the two with 2 or 3 Absolute Vodka Martinis it's like
eating valiums. Great Buzz!!!! Then for good measure smoke a Cohiba or
Partagas Limited Reserve 1996 cigar life doesn't get any better.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 25 April 2009

I too like to keep my mind sharp an intact. However years of abuse has
taken it's toll. The greatest thing about getting older is I can get
away with staying out late and telling my wife I just forgot to come
home...and she believes me!

Now if I can just figure out an excuse for smelling like beer, cigars
and cheap perfume, I'd have it made.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 25 April 2009

Brake Stick

Help yourself drink till you pass out. If that is what it takes to numb
your senses more power to you. I personally like to keep my mind sharp
an intact. The greatest thing about getting older I can get away with
saying what I want through experience I do it with diplomacy. I can
call someone an arsehole 15 different ways making people wonder if I
called them one. A gift of old wisdom. Your childish insults that if
all else fails calling them an official is redundant and boring. 

RRJ

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 25 April 2009

Name: Hank
E-mail: 
Employed as: Yard Master, for 30+ years
Posted: 24 April 2009

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 23 April 2009

Married for 30 years (what's  his name?). smoke when I have a drink
or
after I do your wife (sorry sausage sucker, wrong sex) I'm usually in
the dojo (slang for "Gay Bar") on Saturday night,  nice vehicles
(purple cad) , house (pink) etc. But I am getting a little short on
hair, so i keep it shaved (likes to shave the hair from his nuts -
better butt slammin action) ...sure want to know a lot - are you
gay(?)
(Z -when did you first know you were gay? First experince from daddy
or
the priest? Were you an alter boy or something?).
[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[
HHHHHHmmmmmmmmmmmm, Let me think a minute. I think it was after I
stuffed 8 inches of cock down your Mamma's throat and her eyes bugged
out. She's ugly enough to make someone gay. I had to quit there, that
snatch smelled like rotten fish and she had toilet paper hanging out
her ass when she spread those legs of hers. She told me her son Hank
was considered sexy. Said you had one tooth in your head and that
qualifed a person to be considered sexy in you inbread family.

Thanks for asking. All questions welcome.

Name: z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 25 April 2009

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 24 April 2009

So, Zorro, you have taken on multiple personalities as "Z",
"NoMo",
Loco30+, and RRJ? 
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
I'm only one person, Z. I don't have to pull your stunts.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 25 April 2009

(So, Z (is that your new name now?) why do you support a union that
does not support you?. You are the mirror image of the members you say
“bitch and do nothing”.)  

 Wether (whether) it's the BLET or UTU neither has any balls anymore.
(not really.  The BLET and the UTU  are run by people who have their
own self interest at stake.  They are totally oblivious to the changes
going on around them, and are perfectly content to work


THAT WASN'T ME SAM. THAT WAS RRJ OR RAILROAD JIM.

Name: Brake Stick
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 24 April 2009

Come on Hank let's go kick some payroll ass and drink heavy

Name: Brake stick
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 24 April 2009

Hey Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years I'm drinking heavily right now,
maybe I'll mark off operation red block tomorrow. Hell maybe I mark
off operation red block May 1st. Take that you CSX official fuckers!!!

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 24 April 2009

Ok.  So pay your dues, and keep your unions. 

Good Luck

Name: Hank
E-mail: 
Employed as: Car repair, for 20-30 years
Posted: 24 April 2009

Fedup,

Sorry to hear you were injured. Typical heartless CSX response. 

Beware of "advice" you might get on this site. 

"z" the "Locomotive Engineer 30+"  who posts on this site will try
to "advise" you on the pretext he is an experienced union rep. He 
will boast of  "kicking some payroll ass", babble some useless
contract crap, then vanish leaving you holding the bag. 

If you are looking for advice on handling an injury claim, DON'T look
for it on this site ("z" posts under several fake names) - you are
wasting your time here. . 

Contact an FELA attorney.

Name: fedup
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 24 April 2009

Just thought I would share this tid bit about our glorious csx, I was
injured on the job, payrol shorted my check the last day I worked, I
called them and they acknowledged error, check earning statement and
payrol deducted all towards health ins, all 117. of it, wow, heartless,
no money comin in and they needed this. I hope this money pays for 1 of
mikeys cigars.

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 24 April 2009

So, Zorro, you have taken on multiple personalities as "Z", "NoMo",
Loco30+, and RRJ? 

Mike Ward has got to be lovin you.   

Which personality will you be next?   The RailYard Night Stalker? 

Well, have a nice day "Z", or whoever you are. 

You really oughta do something about that latent schizophrenia. 

Might accidently wake up some night and strangle yourself with all your
bullshit.

Name: Goober
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 24 April 2009

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 24 April 2009

Fuck you Goober, what does a old pecker head like you know.



Eat my goober, gay boy.

Name: Hank
E-mail: 
Employed as: Yard Master, for 30+ years
Posted: 24 April 2009

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 23 April 2009

Married for 30 years (what's  his name?). smoke when I have a drink or
after I do your wife (sorry sausage sucker, wrong sex) I'm usually in
the dojo (slang for "Gay Bar") on Saturday night,  nice vehicles
(purple cad) , house (pink) etc. But I am getting a little short on
hair, so i keep it shaved (likes to shave the hair from his nuts -
better butt slammin action) ...sure want to know a lot - are you gay(?)
(Z -when did you first know you were gay? First experince from daddy or
the priest? Were you an alter boy or something?).

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 24 April 2009

I know how to cut and paste too...I also know who the players are and I
don't care about the spelling...it helps identify the posters.

How many rank and file members would join a Union organization that
charged ZERO union dues, increased wages and benefits, protected jobs,
prevented layoffs, shortened the work day, made vast improvements to
safety and the working environment, and won major concessions in all
other areas from the Carriers (and this is just for starters).  

No dues?

...and they all live happily ever after!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 24 April 2009

A union with no dues? I've read some of the crap you're spouting it
won't work. It's just more crap that comes on this site every 6
months or so. Usually when someone is drunk. Talking about their big
ideas of forming a new an improved union. 

I'm not "Z". 

You can slice apart everyones post making your idiotic remarks even
correct our spelling. It still makes you look like a moron. I'm not
involved in your bullschidt. I'd appreciate if you would keep me out
of it. 

I'll let "Z" handle it.

RRJ

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 24 April 2009

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 24 April 2009

NoMo

The LC doesn't have the right to call a strike neither does the GC.
It's all up to those in Cleveland which isn't going to happen. 

(So, Z (is that your new name now?) why do you support a union that
does not support you?. You are the mirror image of the members you say
“bitch and do nothing”.)  

 Wether (whether) it's the BLET or UTU neither has any balls anymore.
(not really.  The BLET and the UTU  are run by people who have their
own self interest at stake.  They are totally oblivious to the changes
going on around them, and are perfectly content to work the status quo.
So, they have no need for “balls” – not when they have 70,000 sugar
daddies handing them money with no strings attached).   

They cry victory over stupid arse schidt that doesn't mean anything
(then why do you support the current union organization? You are like
the wife who gets physically and mentally abused every day by her
asshole husband  – yet she goes back for more, just cant find it in
herself to break away – until someone who understands the cause and
affect comes along to help her get out of a very destructive situation.
 Same kind of thing going on with Rank and File, Carriers, and Unions.
Everybody suffers). 

Their (they’re) crying along with the railroads over the new FRA safety
bill lowering the monthly work hours. (in the present state of the
relationship, the FRA and the Railroad are one and the same. Don’t kid
yourself) 

Mabey (“maybe”) if they took action when the railroads started all this
harassment (“harassment’) by overworking their employees 
(Carriers have overworked employees since the days UPRR Col. Dodge
whipped and clubbed his Chinese coolies to death. Today, the Col.
Dodges of the world have more subtle and “modern” means to work you do
death.  
   
CSX & the UP are two prime examples (don’t forget the BNSF and NS – the
‘Big Nothing Shit Face’, and the ‘Nazi Southern’) of harsh disciplinary
attendance policies that the union did nothing about. (Unions are in
bed with the Carriers. Carriers are in bed with the Feds. Rank and File
members get left off the dance card.  No surprise. ). 

To bad I can live under the new guidelines there are those that will
have to make drastic lifestyle changes. Those $1500+ house pmts are
going to hurt the car payments insurance taxes ect....are going to take
a hard hit. That's not even including the cost to just excist (exist) 
every month on necessities. Let's not even think about putting money
into savings or a 401K for Retirement. 
(Don’t worry, Z, new hires have learned how to eat Purina Dog Chow,
live in cardboard tents, and ride bicycles back and forth to work.).  


More than likely the railroads an unions will bride (bribe) someone in
the FRA to place an injunction and renegotiate policy. Then again mabey
(maybe) not it's a new administration. (Say what?)

The Bush days are gone the corporate friendly WH occupants are gone.
Corporate welfare has tainted our system. Now it's just a bunch of
leaches jumping on the bandwagon. 

   


Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 24 April 2009

Jim, your right, several of the railroads are trying to circumvent the
law or parts of it already. It's funny the UTU were the ones that
insisted on the 276 hour cap and now crying about it.


Sam says ask all my questions, then says he really doesn't need to
talk about it on here, he really doesn't see much happening here. (Ask
your questions, Z, you sound like those apathetic members you despise so
much).  

Sam maybe you shouldn't have brought it up, if you don't want to
talk
about it. (how can I talk about it, when I have no idea what is on your
mind?) 

Admirable he wants to make a change, but he hasn't thought it
all out. It won't work in his time frame, there are to many problems.
(Z,  your too close to the problems – the miasma of troubles and
problems in the workplace and with the Unions   has clouded your
ability to  think outside the box.  Your in a fog, unable to  see the
forest for the trees  ( that is precisely where they want to keep you
). . .  

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 23 April 2009

The problem is no one utilizes the unions we have (sure they get
utilized, but they are VASTLY UNDER-UTILIZED). 

We just let things happen. Like sheep to the slaughterhouse. GC's make
sure they keep their lines they came off of happy but could give a rats
arse about the other divisions/locals. Elections are coming up on the
BLET the GC's are putting on a good show to get reelected even at
their best it's half hearted action. (Yep. Business as usuall). 

I think this talk of organising new unions has been on this site for
at
least 4 years or better. (Gee, wonder why?) 

I like this bullschidt about oldheads are gutless and bought out
ect...this new generation is going to make change. Hell, you can't
hardly find your way without the oldhead leading you. (Very narrow
minded there Z.  Oldheads do NOT have ALL the answers. If they did, you
would not have the problems with the Unions that you currently have in
spades). 

Someone mentioned safety srikes. Last one was around 1997 lasted about
45 minutes it shutdown the railroad for one shift. The unions don't
even attempt to use them anymore. If anytime since I've been out here
the unions need to send a message it's now. In my opinion that isn't
going to happen.  (Hmmmmm. What happened to the Ass Kicker?). 

Ask your questions Z.  

They will be a whole lot more revealing than your answers. 

Got game?  

Here, let me start…...  

How many rank and file members would join a Union organization that
charged ZERO union dues, increased wages and benefits, protected jobs,
prevented layoffs, shortened the work day, made vast improvements to
safety and the working environment, and won major concessions in all
other areas from the Carriers (and this is just for starters).  

Would you support that kind of Union organization?

Yes or No?

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 24 April 2009

Fuck you Goober, what does a old pecker head like you know.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 24 April 2009

Why would you care, your not a employee. Got a hot train to catch, when
I return, i'll show you what the UTU says about the BLE.

It is funny they asked for a 276 hour cap, got it and are now whining.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 24 April 2009

I love it one post says that the LC better be prepared to go to jail if
a strike is called and an engineer says even the GC can't call a
strike. Well guess what no one can call a rr strike. Or a slow down or
a work stoppage. Just the way the system works and you or them can not
work around it with out pay back if you try.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 24 April 2009

So Sadd---------- engineer for many years, and who is the target Yep UTU
shooting bullets across the cab, and it has been that way for years.
When will you learn????

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 24 April 2009

Jim, your right, several of the railroads are trying to circumvent the
law or parts of it already. It's funny the UTU were the ones that
insisted on the 276 hour cap and now crying about it.


Sam says ask all my questions, then says he really doesn't need to
talk about it on here, he really doesn't see much happening here. Hey
Sam maybe you shouldn't have brought it up, if you don't want to talk
about it. Admirable he wants to make a change, but he hasn't thought it
all out. It won't work in his time frame, there are to many problems.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 24 April 2009

NoMo

The LC doesn't have the right to call a strike neither does the GC.
It's all up to those in Cleveland which isn't going to happen. Wether
it's the BLET or UTU neither has any balls anymore. They cry victory
over stupid arse schidt that doesn't mean anything. Their crying along
with the railroads over the new FRA safety bill lowering the monthly
work hours. Mabey if they took action when the railroads started all
this harrassment by overworking their employees it wouldn't of come
down to the goverment taking action. CSX & the UP are two prime
examples of harsh disiplinary attendance policies that the union did
nothing about. In fact they sided with the railroads. To bad I can live
under the new guidelines there are those that will have to make drastic
lifestyle changes. Those $1500+ house pmts are going to hurt the car
payments insurance taxes ect....are going to take a hard hit. That's
not even including the cost to just excist every month on necessities.
Let's not even think about putting money into savings or a 401K for
retirement. 

More than likely the railroads an unions will bride someone in the FRA
to place an injunction and renegotiate policy. Then again mabey not
it's a new administration. The Bush days are gone the corporate
friendly WH occupants are gone. Corporate welfare has tainted our
system. Now it's just a bunch of leaches jumping on the bandwagon.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 24 April 2009

If there was a strike, the LC's better be willing to spend time in
jail for the benefit of the membership!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 23 April 2009

The problem is no one utilizes the unions we have. We just let things
happen. Like sheep to the slaughterhouse. GC's make sure they keep
their lines they came off of happy but could give a rats arse about the
other divisions/locals. Elections are coming up on the BLET the GC's
are putting on a good show to get reelected even at their best it's
half hearted action. 

I think this talk of organising new unions has been on this site for at
least 4 years or better. 

I like this bullschidt about oldheads are gutless and bought out
ect...this new generation is going to make change. Hell, you can't
hardly find your way without the oldhead leading you. 

Someone mentioned safety srikes. Last one was around 1997 lasted about
45 minutes it shutdown the railroad for one shift. The unions don't
even attempt to use them anymore. If anytime since I've been out here
the unions need to send a message it's now. In my opinion that isn't
going to happen.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 23 April 2009

Name: Pope Hoffa the XXXIIII
E-mail: DuesAreUS.com
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 23 April 2009

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 23 April 2009

I've done the May 1st thing for about 8 years now.

I like you Z.  You got Big Cahonies. ( they are large and made of
titanium)

But, you got issues. I can help.  Trust me.  ( I like my issues)

Let's see....hmmmmm.....a very lonely man, Z.  Probably divorcee,
never finished high school, has problem with authority figures, short
tempered,  ex-military busted to army private, 6 failed marriages, 8 -
10 kids you never see, snootfull of alimony payments, family exile,
rusted out Ford Maverick w/bald tires, cheap bed in a shanty town
trailer near the railyard, works regular yard shift,  noticable
alzheimers, half dozen cases of Bud stacked near the fridge, chain
smokes 3-4 cig packs a day, 100 pounds overweight with a bulging beer
gut, settles for 400 pound hoofers hanging at sleeze bars, or pinches
pennies and watches Jane Fonda's Workout on Saturday nights with a
pint of Crown. Gotta be at least 60, bald, warts, scars, and greasy
hair.  With 30+ years service (maybe 20), started late, now close to
retirement, markin days till pension time, talks tough but hopes he
don't get busted on a rules violation. Loves the BLET and the
TEAMSTERS, hates the members,  Union Boss wanna be, flys the
confederate flag.  That sound about right, Z?  Not anywhere close,
except one or 2 of them)  

I can see you need to be a man o' respect, Z. Nope not really, but can
stand up for myself and continue standing up indefinitely)

Lookit. Give me da call. I could use a sperienced union man like
yerself, Z. 

Stop by Friday, ask for Vinny the Painter. Bring a large black bag. 

Tell em da Pope sent ya.

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Let's see....hmmmmm.....a very lonely man, Z.  Probably divorcee,
never finished high school, has problem with authority figures, short
tempered,  ex-military busted to army private, 6 failed marriages, 8 -
( married for 36 years, thousands of friends, BA., I do have a problem
with authority, I can be short tempered, but not usually, Nam, side
gunner, never busted in rank and many hot LZ's. Same wife I started
with.) None of the other applies except marking my days to pension. 6 5
220 and only drink one drink when I do drink. Only smoke when I have a
drink or after I do your wife. I'm usually in the dojo on Saturday
night , nice vehicles, house etc. But I am getting a little short on
hair, so i keep it shaved.  You sure want to know a lot are you gay or
something.)

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 23 April 2009

Between Ronnie, in 1981 and the RLA, it is almost impossible to strike.(
You are applying 1980s politics with Obama era politics. Big
difference). 

 A safety strike is about the only way, and you would be put back to
work within a day.(sure.  but we are talking apples an oranges. We can
get the stike rights back. Having the right, and using the right, are
two completely different psychological tools - both equally effective
if used under the right circumstance.)  

 Otherwise you can see above what steps a union has to go through to
walk. It is time consuming. You won't strike over night.( Yes, but you
can strike, if you want - that is the point. Having the right to strike.
It is a course of last resort, but I dont anticipate ever having to use
it under my plan. . ).  

In order to change things, we have to have a combination of things on
our side. ( we do right now.  the pendulum has swung. the potential for
momentum is there, it just has to be activated.) 

Just like the article says things swing from carrier to union and vise
versa. Both parties are aware of this. (Agree. and now is the Union's
turn. People are ready for unions to take a lead.  Not sit back and do
business as usual.  We will loose the window of opportunity.  It will
close. We need to strike while the iron is hot (not litterally, but
figuratively).  

It is easy for you, to say walk, Sam, but walking takes time. You new
union would be broke, if you didn't follow the correct procedures.(
yes, but we would have the RIGHT to walk.  That is a huge bargaining
chip, and it stays in our pile - it belongs to the unions, its the
property of the unions, and it cant be taken away unless we let them
take it away.) 

Hopefully things are aligning where some real progress may be made in
the issue to strike. Just as a tidbit, you want the public on our side
when a strike does occur, most of the people aren't union friendly
anymore. ( Public opinion changes with political, social and economic
events.  We're in one.)

 ATC's received just what
they deserved by most of the general public's view. Ronnie put a
feather in his hat and fucked us. The public was glad to see them
fired. According to the public they were over payed and screwing the
country up by striking (Ronnie was adept at working up the public with
hair trigger issues - the commies, the reds, the russians, the
Sandinistas, the bomb, the boogy man, reagonomics, and hollywood
theatrics.  It all worked and kept him and his party in office for 8
years. The ATC just happened to strike in the wrong place at the wrong
time.  I am not saying it would be a good thing to stike in this
economy.  However, politically, it is an excellent time to GET BACK the
RIGHT to strike.). 
********************************************************************

I really do not want to go into detail on this site - nor would I play
a game of poker and lay all my cards on the table before bets are
placed. 

Not much is going to happen on this site.....But?

Name: Pope Hoffa the XXXIIII
E-mail: DuesAreUS.com
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 23 April 2009

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 23 April 2009

I've done the May 1st thing for about 8 years now.

I like you Z.  You got Big Cahonies. 

But, you got issues. I can help.  Trust me.  

Let's see....hmmmmm.....a very lonely man, Z.  Probably divorcee,
never finished high school, has problem with authority figures, short
tempered,  ex-military busted to army private, 6 failed marriages, 8 -
10 kids you never see, snootfull of alimony payments, family exile,
rusted out Ford Maverick w/bald tires, cheap bed in a shanty town
trailer near the railyard, works regular yard shift,  noticable
alzheimers, half dozen cases of Bud stacked near the fridge, chain
smokes 3-4 cig packs a day, 100 pounds overweight with a bulging beer
gut, settles for 400 pound hoofers hanging at sleeze bars, or pinches
pennies and watches Jane Fonda's Workout on Saturday nights with a
pint of Crown. Gotta be at least 60, bald, warts, scars, and greasy
hair.  With 30+ years service (maybe 20), started late, now close to
retirement, markin days till pension time, talks tough but hopes he
don't get busted on a rules violation. Loves the BLET and the
TEAMSTERS, hates the members,  Union Boss wanna be, flys the
confederate flag.  That sound about right, Z?    

I can see you need to be a man o' respect, Z. 

Lookit. Give me da call. I could use a sperienced union man like
yerself, Z. 

Stop by Friday, ask for Vinny the Painter. Bring a large black bag. 

Tell em da Pope sent ya.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 23 April 2009

The RLA contains five basic purposes:

* To avoid any interruption to commerce.

* To ensure an unhindered right of employees to join a labor union
(added in 1934).

* To provide complete independence of organization by both parties to
carry out the purposes of the RLA.

* To assist in the prompt and orderly settlement of disputes covering
rates of pay, work rules, or working 
conditions.

* To assist in the prompt and orderly settlement of disputes growing
out of grievances or out of the 
interpretation or application of existing contracts covering the rates
of pay, work rules or working conditions.

Contracts remain in force until changed. There is no time limit by
which contracts must be negotiated to 
avoid a work stoppage. Under Section 6 of the act, either side may
propose changes to an existing collective 
bargaining agreement, but agreements (for purposes of stability and
labor peace) generally contain agreed 
upon moratorium clauses that provide no change may be demanded on
specified subjects for a prescribed 
period of time.
   
Once Section 6 notices, proposing changes to an existing agreement,
have been served, the parties must 
maintain the status quo (no strikes or lockouts or promulgation of
changes) until all procedures of the RLA 
have been fully exhausted.

For major disputes over wages, benefits and working conditions, the RLA
provides for a three-member 
National Mediation Board, appointed by the president and confirmed by
the Senate, with the power to 
mediate any dispute between carriers and their employees at the request
of either party or upon the board's 
own motion.

There is no time limit on the mediation procedure. The NMB controls the
schedule of talks and only the NMB 
may release the parties from mediation.

If the NMB is unable to bring about an amicable settlement of the
controversy through mediation, the board 
is required to use its influence to induce the parties voluntarily to
submit to binding arbitration. The law is 
specific in that arbitration is voluntary and not compulsory.

If both sides voluntarily agree to binding arbitration, an Arbitration
Board of up to six members is to be 
established. Carriers and labor each select an equal number of
arbitrators, who then select the additional 
member or members.

If either labor or management decline voluntary arbitration, and if in
the opinion of the NMB the continuance 
of the controversy threatens substantially to interrupt interstate
commerce in any section of the nation, the 
NMB is required to notify the President of the United States, who may,
at his discretion, create a fact-finding 
Presidential Emergency Board.

The parties must maintain the status quo (no strikes or lockouts) for
30 days. If the president chooses not to 
appoint an emergency board, strikes or lockouts may occur after the
30-day cooling-off period.

Emergency boards are comprised of neutral members whose job is to make
an investigation and submit to 
the president, within 30 days of its creation, a fact-finding report
with non-binding recommendations for 
procedures or terms on which a dispute might be settled. During this
period, the parties must maintain the 
status quo (a second 30-day cooling-off period).

Upon submission of the PEB report, the parties are required to maintain
the status quo for an additional, or 
third 30-day cooling-off period (they may mutually agree to extend the
period of status quo). The non-binding 
recommendations of the PEB are expected to carry the weight of public
opinion and induce a voluntary 
agreement among the parties.

At this point, the RLA has run its course. If no agreement has been
reached, either side becomes free to act 
in its own economic interests -- a work stoppage (or strike) by labor,
a lockout by management, or unilateral 
implementation of management proposals (that generally would force a
work stoppage).

However, Congress frequently imposes its own settlement. Such
congressional action is not part of the RLA. 
The constitutional authority for Congress to impose its own settlements
is found in the Constitution's 
commerce clause.





October 12, 2007
99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999

Between Ronnie, in 1981 and the RLA, it is almost impossible to strike.
A safety strike is about the only way, and you would be put back to work
within a day. Otherwise you can see above what steps a union has to go
through to walk. It is time consuming. You won't strike over night. 
In order to change things, we have to have a combination of things on
our side. Just like the article says things swing from carrier to union
and vise versa. Both parties are aware of this. It is easy for you, to
say walk, Sam, but walking takes time. You new union would be broke, if
you didn't follow the correct procedures. Hopefully things are aligning
where some real progress may be made in the issue to strike. Just as a
tidbit, you want the public on our side when a strike does occur, most
of the people aren't union friendly anymore. ATC's received just what
they deserved by most of the general public's view. Ronnie put a
feather in his hat and fucked us. The public was glad to see them
fired. According to the public they were over payed and screwing the
country up by striking.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 23 April 2009

I've done the May 1st thing for about 8 years now.

Name: turtlehead
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 23 April 2009

I heard that same shit, Rube. Hell, I heard more like 3 years or even
turning P'cola into a Flomerton. You boys in the JAX division are
getting the root buried all up in your guts. Stay strong, brothers.
Remember May 1rst! " We must all hang together, or surely we will all
hang separately!" Make May 1rst a day to spend at home with your
families. Take one day out of your busy life and do not even think
about CSX or working. I wonder how many brothers will do that? I never
met a bunch of men that talked so much shit, but bowed down like little
bitches. And you oldheads are the worst ones- ya'll need testosterone
injections cause ya'll done sold your souls so many times you cannot
hardly consider yourselves men anymore. I'm just Sayin'

Name: Rube
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 23 April 2009

They been talkin' 'bout shuttin' down the P&A/PD for awhile now. I
heard Tommy got a bonus for reducing the manpower there in Pensacola.
Furloughs = brownie points with management. Melvin said they gonna run
everthing off extra boards in May. and they gonna furlough about 10-20
more people there. So, look out Mobile! Them boys is coming and if you
ain't got 6-7 years seniority= welcome to furlough city or New
Orleans. I'd rather be furloughed than live in that shit hole! Good
Luck and Hope it don't last 2 more years like they been sayin'.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 23 April 2009

Draw us a picture Sam, of Mickey Mouse, Your Union mascot.

Things are broken Sam, they will not be repaired over night like you
keep telling everyone. Why don't you go back and answer some of the
original questions and other things I asked you to break down.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 23 April 2009

However, the insurance carrier will not in this case pay for the
emergency room visit - it costs $475 to $800  out of pocket to go to
the ER, and insurance will NOT pay for it (it is an exception to
coverage)....so, the worker has to pay for it out of pocket. 

Health insurance, in most cases, will cover only a visit to the PP
(personal physician) for an illness - which costs $10 more or less for
the co-pay. So, when you are sick, you go to your PP, not the ER (not
unless  you like to set fire to your money). 
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Part of Sam's post from 4-16. He doesn't even know what his co-pay
is, but he's going to lead our new union. Keep giving bad advice Sam.
He's worried about setting fire to the company also. No nuts, but a
lot of mouth.

Sam. I can paste articles all day myself. You went from a spineless
employee to our next union President in about four post.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 23 April 2009

Name: Jimmie Hoffa Jr.
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 23 April 2009

Dear Union Brothers of Operating Crafts,


Goals On The Local Level
------------------------------------

1. Unify both operating crafts into one. The tools are already in
place, so all a person has to do is join. Maintenance dues that have
to be paid to other unions, you may ask. The international already has
that taken care of.


Youse boys done good. Nowse start ponyin up da loot, orr else were
gonna send da painters and da carpenters ta do a little fixin up aroun
youse neighborhood. See? do i gotta draw youse a picture?

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 23 April 2009

Sam's first response (as Sam,LMAO)

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 15 April 2009

Sorry guys......been there, done that. 

The Company has you by the balls.  

Rule #1: If you get sick or hurt, and you involve the company with time
off or a claim, 99 out of 100 times you will get punished. 

Contracts?   Management uses those for toilet paper. 

Contract terms?  Are an illusion. They are there to make us "feel
better". When push comes to shove, the company has you by the balls. 

Unless you can call in dead,  the Company mandate is, "report to
work". 

I been around too long, seen too many things to know how it works.

( Yep, his first reply as Sam.  I really want you forming a union for
me.)

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 23 April 2009

Back for a second. ...

Honest, Zorroo, I want to encourage you to ask questions, no matter how
stupid or crazy they may sound.  Am here to help you. 

Oh,  here is a little tidbit on your Union Leader..Hoffa, Jr.....

(CNN new reports)

HOFFA JR. came to power in the government-ordered election rerun of
1998, easily defeating reform candidate Tom Leedham....Hoffa's reign
has allowed his most retrograde supporters to return to their worst
practices. Two of Hoffa's "special assistants," Dane Passo and
Carlow Scalf, have either been expelled from the union or forced to
resign their positions.

Ed Stier, the former top corruption investigator of the Teamsters
appointed by Hoffa, resigned along with his entire staff last year
after it became clear that Hoffa was blocking a serious investigation
into corruption involving Chicago Teamsters leaders.

Stier's final report on Teamster corruption in Chicago was finally
released to the public in May--not by Hoffa, but by TDU. Stier reported
that one-third of Teamster locals in Chicago--which has the biggest
concentration of union members in the U.S.--are under mob influence and
engaged in possible corrupt practices.

Meanwhile, the union has continued to decline. In 1999, Hoffa called a
nationwide strike at Overnite, the largest nonunion trucking company in
the country. Though it officially lasted three years, it was lost from
the start because the Teamster bureaucracy did almost nothing to win
it. The high cost of this failure was seen recently when UPS purchased
Overnite to help build up the nonunion part of its company--in
preparation for 2008 negotiations with the Teamsters.

Hoffa has utterly failed to come to terms with the crisis of the
Teamsters. Whatever his rhetoric about the need for new ideas in the
labor movement, they are meaningless in the face of his practice of
restoring some of the worst policies of the past.

Yet Hoffa's control of the union has begun to fray at the edges. In
Seattle, Atlanta and Milwaukee, reformers won control of important
Teamster locals in recent years. The Central States Pension Fund, the
largest pension fund for Teamsters, totters on the edge of bankruptcy.
With the approval of Teamster trustees--Hoffa supporters--the fund has
pushed through draconian cuts in benefits, alienating members.

Some things never change.

Name: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 23 April 2009

Have your questions ready, Zorro. I will be logged off for a couple
ofdays – give you a chance to prepare.

I knew you couldn't stay away. LMAO

You had your chance to answer questions and didn't.

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 23 April 2009

No questions, zoro?   Thought you'd have millions by now.  

Checking in - needed to go, but stopped dead in my tracks. 

Zorro, you're posting for Hoffa ...AKA, the Hoffa Family.....(?!)
And, you keep going on and on about IBET and how great it is...  

Jimmie Hoffa's Teamsters was one of the most crime ridden in American
Union History.    

Hoffa, Jr. - the son -  is the President de facto of your union.

Deja Vu, Zorroooo, Deja Vu.  

Here's a recent good one from the IBET affiliated Railroad Mainenance
of Way Union: .....just announced a wonderful, well thought out,
sparkling, new, handy dandy  FRA rule that is sure to benefit the track
worker and improve safety: Get hurt on the job and you get FINED AND
FIRED (and, maybe, jailed). 

Mind boggling.

Name: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 23 April 2009

Sam the below post from conductors and engineers, under the next venue,
I just moved them here. Unlike you I wasn't talking to myself. They
were posted by different people.

Name: JHJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 23 April 2009

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

We already have a remedy in place to stop unions from fighting amongst
each other. A new union isn't the answer. If every rail union would
join the IBT Rail Conference (Teamsters) it would allow each union to
keep it's autonomy an ensure one union doesn't attack another by
raiding members or encrouching into another crafts responsibilities.
No
union would be allowed to sign a contract till all have negotiated
successfully. Power in numbers. The only unions who belong at this
time
are the BLET & BMWE which is 70,000 members combined. Last contract
seven unions rode on the coat tails of the IBT Rail Conference except
the UTU and BRAC. We don't need lone wolves anymore we need
solidarity.

Another good point RRJ. All input and contributions welcome.
Jimmie Hoffa Jr.

Name: JHJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 23 April 2009

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

The power to "walk". Ya'll don't have that kind of power. The
federal goverement makes sure ya'll don't have it. The railroads
know
that any federal court will give them an injunction against a strike.
Ya'll just keep dreaming. I can bet most here never go to union
meetings the only time union comes out of your mouth is when you feel
you got screwed. Talk is cheap.


Another good post by a man that sees how it is.

Name: JHJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 23 April 2009

Name: retired
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 22 April 2009

I agree with eng with30 years of service the U T U SHOULD NOT EXIST
ALL
THE CONDUCTORS SHOULD JUST JOIN UP WITH  ENGINEERS SINCE 90% IN THE
FUTURE WILL BE EITHER ENGINEERS OR AT LEAST PROMOTED IN ORDER TO WORK
ENGINEERS JOB ANYWAY.i feel like the U T U WILL BE HISTORY SOONER THAN
LATTER.YOU DO NOT NEED TO START A DIFFERENT UNION JUST JOIN TOGETHER
LIKE YOU WORK TOGETHER AND attend the union meetings.I REMEMBER WHEN
WE
HAD A CONDUCTORS AND THE TRAINMEN WAS DIFFERENT THEN WE FINNALLY GOT
TOGETHER NOW IT IS THE TIME FOR THE CONDUCTORS AND ENGINEERS TO JOIN
TOGETHER, WORK TOGETHER ,GET ALONE WITH EACH OTHER YOU LIVE TOGETHER
MORE THAN YOU DO WITH YOUR FAMILY MOST DOES.IF THE ut u has no members
then it will not exist. i am sorry I paid good money for dues to them
for 40 years. everything they cannot sell they will steal. they are
just about through selling so look out for the stealing.I understand
hancock is fixing to retire.



Excellant post again. Thanks for your contribution.

Name: JHJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 23 April 2009

Name: retired
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 22 April 2009

one more comment if you notice when you have your u t u meetings the
only ones that attend mostly is your good brothers that is getting
safety days off each month and only a couple of members that is
affected by something. as long as your fellow brothers is getting paid
from this suck ass company and some of your safety men is doing the
sucking your are going to get screwed.when the r.r. quit some of their
shit then go back to work and help them not untill. I LOOK BACK NOW
AND
SEE A LOT OF MISTAKES I help make some just by doing nothing and a lot
by doing too much for the r.r.  I hope all you young employees start
back to work soon for I for one know what you are going through and do
not wish the same on you just because I had to do the same.I ALMOST
LOST MY FAMILY BACK THEN IT REALLY IS TOUGH YOU JUST HAVE TO HANG IN
HERE.I cannot talk about someone else when I was one that did a little
of everthing I was also the best the r.r had that is the only reason i
made it to retirement.

Excellent observation retied conductor. I believe you mem had a
program,HPO,  known as High Prick Organization or Hold Your Pockets
Open, where the company wanted ideas from the members. I'm sure the
same company sucks jumped on board. Pimping to management on what jobs
could be combined or screwing the members in any way they could. We
aren't managers, we should do what we were hired for. Managers were
dumb I'm sure at that time and they are dumber now. Don't give them
help so they can keep cutting.

Name: Jimmie Hoffa Jr.
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 23 April 2009

Dear Union Brothers of Operating Crafts,

It is time to come together as one. Under the BLE&T, a member of
the IBT, we will preserve craft autonomy. There will be no more
pattern
contracts by the UTU that other crafts are forced to follow. The IBT
will not allow another craft to steal, rob and give away jobs or
benefits. Nor will I promise you all problems will be corrected
immediately and easily. A person that has any common sense knows this
is the case. As we speak the EFCA has already taken a hit from our
elected officials and may even become moot. If the bill passes, it
will
be a watered down version of the original bill. We urgently need your
support to accomplish our goals. In a moment I will outline these
goals
short and long term. With the appointment of our new SOL by the
President, we finally have a union friendly arm of the government on
our side. You could say this is a major step, but actually it is not.
We have 100's of other problems to correct that have been made law
over
the years that effect our bargaining power as a union. Many of the
lesser problems will cure themselves as we accomplish the paramount
issues. Remember the union is you, the members. We need to work
together from bottom to top. Without the members policing their local
officers the backbone starts to crumble immediately. Now let me
explain
the democratic process we will follow and the titanic changes that we
are going to make and what part your roll will be in helping to make
these changes.

Short Term Goals On The Local Level
------------------------------------

1. Unify both operating crafts into one. The tools are already in
place, so all a person has to do is join. Maintenance dues that have
to
be paid to other unions, you may ask. The international already has
that
taken care of.

2. Unify the members on a local level, through attendance of Union
meetings. How will we accomplish this goal. It will be done in several
steps. There will be a Internet information center established for
each
local, it will also access the locals under the jurisdiction of each
GCA, giving each member the ability to communicate with other members
of any local under the particular GCA. Some of the benefits of such a
system would be to give a GCA immediate information of problems, let
members know directly from the GCA how the problems are being
corrected
and to web cast Union meetings that members could not attend because
of
working.

3.Each LC on a Division will meet without the presence of the GCA a
minimum of once yearly to discuss problems specific to their working
conditions and the GCA's performance.

4. Each GCA will meet with the LC's on their territory at least
yearly.
At this meeting, an Union business will be discussed and a plan will
be
enacted to correct problems. Nothing in this statement prevents
members
from taking action on immediate issues that should be handled in a
timely manner. During this meeting the LC's will grade the
performance
of the GCA during the previous 12 months. In addition to letting the
LC's give a personal evaluation of the GCA's performance the members
of
each local will grade him once yearly. In addition to all other rights
of recall, a GCA may be removed from his office if the member vote
exceeds 50 percent of the total members in good standing under the
district of the GCA. Every three years the GCA shall be elected
normally. The election will be from popular vote of the members and
the
practice of LC's voting on a GCA will be discontinued. During a
GCA's
three year term he may be recalled by the popular vote of the members
at any time for failing to perform his/her duties. LC's can be
removed
from office at anytime through popular vote of the members for failure
to perform the duties set forth under the BLE&T by-laws as well.

5. Members will have the right to vote on any issue that effects them,
their working agreements or any change that is made. LC's will not
have
approval to make changes without member popular vote.

6. No member or officer of the Union may except any pay, money, perks
or other tokens from the company, company official or agent of the
company. Such a violation will result in immediate removal from Union
membership. We will not belong to any safety committee, BBS program or
any other committee that the company endorses or controls.
The LC may still retain the right to attend such programs and will be
paid either one or two basic days, by the union, depending on what
type
job assignment he is on. He shall address safety issues only at such
meetings. The practice of the company buying elected officials,
through
such bogus programs shall cease at once. We are not cooks, parking lot
sweepers or greeters when higher company officials tour the property.
A
Union Official will act with integrity and dignity. Any Union official
that acts like a company whore will be shot at once.

7. The members will respect and follow the popular vote of it's
members
in order to preserve solidarity of the crafts.

8. No craft will encroach on another crafts work.

9. Members will not pimp or back stab other members. In the event
there
are issues with a employee that could cause personal injuries or death
to that employee or another person, it will be handled through an
elected committee of three members to discuss the matter with the
employee. After counseling, if the employee continues their same
behavior the committee may have the right to approach management, to
correct the situation.

Guys this is getting to long, I will continue later.

Thanks,
Jimmie Hoffa Jr.

Name:  average joe
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 23 April 2009

hey guys i dont know who zorro or nomo are but im joe not a ghost
account controlled by another member 
so there

Name: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 23 April 2009

Name: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 22 April 2009

I looked at their web site some time ago, NoMo. Looks just about like
the sites of the current unions, the same BS. I think it's
commendable someone wants to change things. If a new union start up
were to happen it would take years. 
((You don’t have “years”.  This needs to be done immediately – months,
not years)) (It will take years. )  

It pisses me off Sam telling everyone that, "With the right leadership
in the New Union these goals can easily be met and can immediately be
obtained." (What is so hard about this - Other
than your fear of change?).   (Sam what is so hard about it is the
Federal laws, Presidential mandates, judges that have ruled against
labor, not counting the carriers. The goals WILL NOT be easily met and
WILL NOT be immediately obtained. It will take years.) 

He also made the statement it wouldn't cost me anything, then in other
post talks about how much it will cost. (It would not cost you anything
– no dues).  (Nothing is free Sam.) 

He says under his plan, no one would be cut off. (that’s correct). 

In the same post he said that displaced workers the company would foot
the bill to retrain them. (correct). ( LOL) 

If you go back and read all his threads they are riddled with
misconceptions, pipe dreams, lies and misinformation to the people that
read this site. (Zorro the doubter. If everyone who tried to do
something doubted what they could do, we’d all still be living in
caves. ….). ( Sam, you haven't done your home work, it can be done,
but not in your time frame. )

I think it is obvious who Sam is. He's a young disgruntled(maybe even
cut off} employee. (Zorro, you would never make it as a carnival
barker. Better stick to railroading). ( Am I not correct)

It was pretty obvious from his first few threads he
has a hard on for old heads (another bad assumption. I do not hold
animosity toward any brother,  even you Zoro.). ( Better go back and
read your post)  

but yet he represents himself to be one. (Never said that, and it does
not matter if you are 9 or 90 as long as the job gets done). ( You have
done that, you post as an engineer 30 plus. )    

that he sees things aren't right and wants to change them. (correct).


I like his spunk, I don't like his tactics. (what do you get when you
cross spunk with tactics? Spastic. That is Zorro at four in the morning
after  a pint of Crown trying to think and type at the same time. Oops.
(Another one of your accusations, one drink does not constitute a pint.
So your saying you tactics and spunk equals spastic.)
There goes one of those “tactics” again).  

He sees the old heads and the unions being the only problem. (no, there
you go assuming again.  I like old heads.  They are my friends. Unions
are a VERY BIG part of the problem, but not the only part. ( Not
acording to your earlier post, we were the ones that gave it all
away.)

He doesn't even realize that the crap he puts out here sounds just
like the union lip service we get now. (How is that?  You been sneaking
peeks at my plans that I don’t know about?) ( Just from your double talk
and huffing.)

He is not realistic or open to any input, pro or con, unless it is him
replying to himself under different names. (not true. I just don’t like
negativism for the sake of negativism. Very counter- productive. If you
have a CONSTRUCTIVE point or RELEVANT contribution, great.) ( Actually
you don't like somone questioning YOUR PLAN, that is so top secret you
can't talk about, but you want us to follow. Same old union huffing.)  


I have only asked him a few questions, no really hard ones and he
refuses to answer. If he can't answer them now, when can he? (Ask me
your questions Zorro.)  ( I already have, only to have them ignored.) 



This again reminds me of what we already have. He even refuses to
except the fact there is very little participation from current union
members, which is one of the major problems now. ( A problem that can b
be corrected). ( Easier said than done) 

He says the reason the members aren't active is because they are sick
of the current unions. (true. The Unions have been unable to protect
and defend workers from the carriers at the level expected and needed.
Carriers get away with murder. Unions have been unable or unwilling to
prevent a lot of the abuses and unfairness heaped on the rank and file.
Workers don't like it, and they voice their opinion - sometimes by NOT
voting, sometimes in other ways - but they are still voicing their
opinion in any event). ( Sam, again how naive are you, a person that
doesn't vote on their contract, doesn't give a shit, it has nothing
to do with a form of protest.)

I made the statement once, but will say it again for Sam, "we are our
own worst enemies. I can name event after event and contract after
contract that members failed to even get 50 percent of the eligible
membership vote. 
((Stop blaming the workers.  It is not their fault. If the Union cannot
get rank and file motivated to vote, that is a direct failure of the
Unions – not the workers. If the  Unions cannot figure out the
solutions, they are part of the problem). ( The worker is to blame,
they are also the union. 49 percent Sam, come on, who would not vote on
their own salary. You can even televote. It takes a minute. This factor
alone is going to kill a start up under the RLA. I've continously
asked you to check your facts.)

If the members keep leaving it to the other person, you can't expect
things to be different in a new or old union. 
(Again, it is foolish and counter-productive to blame union members.
That is incompetence in denial. It is up to Union leadership to come up
with the solutions, and LEAD. The old unions have not been up to the
task. Railroad Unions and railroad workers are behind the 8-ball. If
drastic changes and dramatic improvements are not quickly made in
critical areas, it won’t matter. The next round of mergers between the
North American Rail Carriers will pretty much take care of that – and
the outcome will be much worse for union employees than you could ever
now imagine – that’s a mathematical certainty.)
(Give me the formula. )

Have your questions ready, Zorro. I will be logged off for a couple of
days – give you a chance to prepare.( You haven't answered one yet)

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Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 22 April 2009

ame: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 22 April 2009

I looked at their web site some time ago, NoMo. Looks just about like
the sites of the current unions, the same BS. I think it's
commendable
someone wants to change things. If a new union start up were to happen
it would take years. 
((You don’t have “years”.  This needs to be done immediately – months,
not years))    

It pisses me off Sam telling everyone that, "With
the right leadership in the New Union these goals can easily be met,
and can immediately be obtained." (What is so hard about this - Other
than your fear of change?).   

He also made the statement it wouldn't cost me anything, then in other
post talks about how much it will cost. (It would not cost you anything
– no dues).   

 He says under his plan, no one would be cut off. (that’s correct). 

In the same post he said that displaced workers the company would foot
the bill to retain them. (correct).  

If you go back and read all his threads they are riddled with
misconceptions, pipe dreams, lies and misinformation to the people that
read this site. (Zorro the doubter. If everyone who tried to do
something doubted what they could do, we’d all still be living in
caves. ….). 

I think it is obvious who Sam is. He's a young disgruntled(maybe even
cut off} employee. (Zorro, you would never make it as a carnival
barker. Better stick to railroading). 

It was pretty obvious from his first few threads he
has a hard on for old heads (another bad assumption. I do not hold
animosity toward any brother,  even you Zoro.).   

but yet he represents himself to be one. (Never said that, and it does
not matter if you are 9 or 90 as long as the job gets done).     

that he sees things aren't right and wants to change them. (correct).


I like his spunk, I don't like his tactics. (what do you get when you
cross spunk with tactics? Spastic. That is Zorro at four in the morning
after  a pint of Crown trying to think and type at the same time. Oops.
There goes one of those “tactics” again).  

He sees the old heads and the unions being the only problem. (no, there
you go assuming again.  I like old heads.  They are my friends. Unions
are a VERY BIG part of the problem, but not the only part. 

He doesn't even realize that the crap he puts
out here sounds just like the union lip service we get now. (How is
that?  You been sneaking peeks at my plans that I don’t know about?)

He is not realistic or open to any input, pro or con, unless it is him
replying to himself under different names. (not true. I just don’t like
negativism for the sake of negativism. Very counter-productive. If you
have a CONSTRUCTIVE point or RELEVANT contribution, great.   

I have only asked him a few questions, no really hard ones and he
refuses to answer. If he can't answer them now, when can he? (Ask me
your questions Zorro.)    


This again reminds me of what we already have. He even refuses to
except the fact there is very little participation from current union
members, which is one of the major problems now. ( A problem that can b
be corrected).  

He says the reason the members aren't active is because they are sick
of the current unions. (true. The Unions have been unable to protect
and defend workers from the carriers at the level expected and needed. 
Carriers get away with murder. Unions have been unable or unwilling to
prevent a lot of the abuses and unfairness heaped on the rank and file.
 Workers don't like it, and they voice their opinion - sometimes by NOT
voting, sometimes in other ways - but they are still voicing their
opinion in any event). 

I maid the statement once, but will say it again for Sam, "we are our
own worst enemies. I can name event after event and contract after
contract that members failed to even get 50 percent of the eligible
membership vote. 
((Stop blaming the workers.  It is not their fault. If the Union cannot
get rank and file motivated to vote, that is a direct failure of the
Unions – not the workers. If the  Unions cannot figure out the
solutions, they are part of the problem). 

If the members keep leaving it to the other person, you can't expect
things to be different in a new or old union. 
(Again, it is foolish and counter-productive to blame union members.
That is incompetence in denial. It is up to Union leadership to come up
with the solutions, and LEAD. The old unions have not been up to the
task. Railroad Unions and railroad workers are behind the 8-ball. If
drastic changes and dramatic improvements are not quickly made in
critical areas, it won’t matter. The next round of mergers between the
North American Rail Carriers will pretty much take care of that – and
the outcome will be much worse for union employees than you could ever
now imagine – that’s a mathematical certainty.)

Have your questions ready, Zorro. I will be logged off for a couple of
days – give you a chance to prepare.

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 22 April 2009

Zoro,  I see you finally realize you were hallucinating last night.  

You been a very busy laddie, stirring up trouble I see:  

“NOMO, it will take more than me and you replying to him. LOL. 200K
won't be a drop in the bucket to correct all the problems.”

((Zoro, $200 grand is obviously a vast undercapitalization for a new
startup union trying to represent thousands of railroad workers. An
obvious mistake to avoid. To answer your next question, yes, I can
raise the money to properly capitalize a new union. And, no,  I will
not post my plans on the internet for the Carriers and anti-union
crazies to read and slobber over. Nice try. ))      

They (sic…problems) are too numerous. It's not just the unions, it
gets way deeper than that. I still say the first down fall was lack of
member support. The unions, carriers, government and judges know it. We
all know it but Sam. 

(( Here you go again, Zoro, telling rank and file the problems are
caused by them because they like to ‘take it up the ass’.  The fact is
that the judges,  congressmen, and carriers blame the incompetent
fractious unions for the problems of the rank and file - and I agree.
))

Name: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 22 April 2009

Two can play the game Sam. Now quit the BS and quit posting under a
zillion names. Be honest in your thoughts with us and you may get a
little more support. No more smoke and mirrors.

Name: MW
E-mail: 
Employed as: Corporate office, for 30+ years
Posted: 22 April 2009

I have serious problem with attendance. I can't get my eyes open in the
morning. I'm having an affair with my secretary. We are staying in the
office late at night doing the wild thang. I won't call Sam's name. I
promised I wouldn't tell I was doing him in the old brown eye. After
ripping it open on Sam, I mean my secretary all night, I just can't
seem to make it to the office on time. Sam says if I join his union, I
won't have to worry about being late any more. What do you guys think.
All suggestions welcome.

Name: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 22 April 2009

I got a laugh out of that last night. I knew there were no more third
tricks for you. I look forward to the days, that when the sun goes down
it will be my choice if I'm at home or not.

HMMMMMMMMMM, I wonder if Sam can get it where we all work 7/3 and we
shut down every weekend? I'll vote for that one. In all seriousness
there should be a differential in pay for night jobs. Extra board
people should receive it also, paid above the guarantee. Ops, I let out
another one of my ideas and Sam will be using it in his next manifesto,
like he has used several others.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 1-10 years
Posted: 22 April 2009

Scaramouche,scaramouche will you do the fandango. Please Sam, please.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 22 April 2009

Hey Zorro:

I think you're right about Sam's age...If he has 30+ years he's at
the very least 58 years old and a short timer. Why would someone
undertake such a venture when he's counting days. 

My primary concern would be making sure I didn't get run off before I
qualified.

The best thing for them to do is become active or more active in their
local. The local is the backbone of the system and a strong
local has a lot of input. They need to educate the new hires, explain
the contract, the claims, the work rules.

Improve communication between locals, vary meeting times and days to
allow more member participation. With the communication technology
available today, meetings could be web cast...just think, you could
participate in a meeting while on your train or in your hotel.

The membership needs to become part of the solution, not part of the
problem!

It's 3rd trick...time to get busy!

Name: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 22 April 2009

http://safetydata.fra.dot.gov/officeofsafety/publicsite/Query/tenyr1a.aspx

Samm here are the official stats. You were 2 under on the deaths.
Don't take these stats as gospel, because the railroads neglect to
report or falsify many other their reports to the FRA.

Name: Zorro (Allman Brothers)
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 22 April 2009

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 22 April 2009

Well, the webmaster definitely knows but Im not sure if he will give
you confirmation of that or not..I really don't care.  Just speaking
my peace before I roll outta here.  Take care there..Zorro.

If you can be who you want, I can too. How do you I'm not the
webmaster. LMAO

Name: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 22 April 2009

I looked at their web site some time ago, NoMo. Looks just about like
the sites of the current unions, the same BS. I think it's commendable
someone wants to change things. If a new union start up were to happen
it would take years. It pisses me off Sam telling everyone that, "With
the right leadership in the New Union these goals can easily be met, and
can immediately be obtained."  He also made the statement it wouldn't
cost me anything, then in other post talks about how much it will cost.
He says under his plan, no one would be cut off. In the same post he
said that displaced workers the company would foot the bill to retain
them. If you go back and read all his threads they are riddled with
misconceptions, pipe dreams, lies and misinformation to the people that
read this site.

I think it is obvious who Sam is. He's a young disgruntled(maybe even
cut off} employee. It was pretty obvious from his first few threads he
has a hard on for old heads, (but yet he represents himself to be one},
that he sees things aren't right and wants to change them. I like his
spunk, I don't like his tactics. He sees the old heads and the unions
being the only problem. He doesn't even realize that the crap he puts
out here sounds just like the union lip service we get now. He is not
realistic or open to any input, pro or con, unless it is him replying
to himself under different names. I have only asked him a few
questions, no really hard ones and he refuses to answer. If he can't
answer them now, when can he?
This again reminds me of what we already have. He even refuses to
except the fact there is very little participation from current union
members, which is one of the major problems now. He says the reason the
members aren't active is because they are sick of the current unions. I
maid the statement once, but will say it again for Sam, "we are our own
worst enemies. I can name event after event and contract after contract
that members failed to even get 50 percent of the eligible membership
vote. If the members keep leaving it to the other person, you can't
expect things to be different in a new or old union.

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 22 April 2009

Well, the webmaster definitely knows but Im not sure if he will give you
confirmation of that or not..I really don't care.  Just speaking my
peace before I roll outta here.  Take care there..Zorro.

Name: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 22 April 2009

One thing about it, you, I and the WEBMSTER know for sure. LOL

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 22 April 2009

Yeah Zorro you caught me, you caught the tater.  Sorry to let you down
man, me and Sam are not the same posters.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 22 April 2009

It Was ROCO...now it's Railroad Workers United.


        http://railroadworkersunited.org/steering-committee

Name: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 22 April 2009

Nice try, Sam. LOL

Name: Lloyd Christmas
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 22 April 2009

Conductor for less than a year...I definitely sympathize with you and I
too think Frula is a worthless terd but please only post on one or two
categories.

Now onto Sam and Zorro.  Guys, this is the prime example right here of
why we as railroad brothers can't ever get shit accomplished.  First
of all, ENG + 30 aka Zorro has no faith in getting something new
started and has completely given up on trying to make things better.
Second, I think Sam's heart is in the right place trying to make this
thing happen, but personally I don't think you will ever get enough
members to join.  I think we as men have to think outside of that union
mentality and just do what we have to now to make things better for
ourselves. 

You think we don't have the power to form a strike?  Thats total
horseshit guys.  If people would just grow a set and get together we
all know it could happen.  Its going to take a very powerful man and
someone who everyone respects to make this happen..but it can happen. 
Everyone is scared that the government will intervene or they will just
fire everyone well I'd love to see them try it. How great would it be
to finally pay back these bastards for all the lying, cheating us out
of checks, firing us for ridiculous reasons, harassing us while we
work, or harassment by crew management, making guys pay thousands for a
school only to be laid off, and definitely for all the men who have
suffered from cancer or have been permanently injured by something CSX
could have easily prevented or takes zero accountability for.  I guess
some people are actually content with this kind of thing though so we
will all keep letting our lives at work get worse and lose our jobs as
technology overrides the capability of a human being.  One more thing,
don't come on here running your mouth about me leaving either because
if it wasn't for my kids I'd already be gone.  Lloyd is out

Name: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 22 April 2009

NOMO, it will take more than me and you replying to him. LOL. 200K
won't be a drop in the bucket to correct all the problems. They are to
numerous. It's not just the unions, it gets way deeper than that.
I still say the first down fall was lack of member support. The unions,
carriers, government and judges know it. We all know it but Sam.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 22 April 2009

BOB FRULLA FOURLOUGHING AGAIN IN ERWIN AND AROUND THE HUNTINGTON
DEVISION. FUNNY MR FRULLA HOW LAST TIME YOU CUTT EVERYONE HERE OFF YOU
HAD CREW CALLERS CALLING ME TELLING ME YOU HAD TRAINS TIED DOWN
EVERYWHERE WHITH NO ONE TO MOVE THEM. YOU COULD NOT FILL YOUR REGULAR
ASSIGNMENTS, YOU DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH MAN POWER TO RUN THE ERWIN AREA
AND IM SURE THE REST OF THE HUNTINGTON DEVISION THEN YOU CALL US BACK
AND HAS TROUBLE GETTING PEOPLE TO MARK BACK UP BE FOR SURE MR FRULLA
THAT THIS TIME WHEN YOU HAVE TRAINS SITTING AND JOBS ARE UNFILLED AND
YOU HAVE TO CUT THE FOURLOUGH BOARD THAT YOULL BE WITHOUT THE MANPOWER
BECAUSE NO ONE HERE IS MARKING UP UNTIL THE VERY LAST MINUTE THEY HAVE
TO OR EVEN LONGER IT HAS DONE BEEN DISSCUSSED. TREAT US LIKE WE ARE
NOTHING THATS WHAT YOULL GET IN RETURN. EVERYTIME YOU FOURLOUGH MONTH
ON AND MONTH OFF WITH NO NOTICE YOU JUST CAUSE PEOPLE TO HATE THIS
COMPANY MORE. fOR THE OLD HEADS WHO ARE RACKING A NICE
4,000-5,000-6,000 OR MORE CHECK EVERY HALF WITH 50 GUYS CUTT BACK
REMEMEBER THAT YOUR FUCKING US UP THE ASS AS MUCH AS MR FRULLA IS. IF
EVERYONE WOULD TAKE A FUCKING DAY OFF EVERY HALF IT WOULD SURELY HELP
EVERYONE OUT. AND BEFORE YOU RESPOND TO THIS DONT GIVE ME THAT FUCKING
IVE BEEN THERE AND I DIDNT GO OUT AND GET IN DEPHT FUNNY TO ME THAT THE
RAILROADS GOT YOUR NUTS RIGHT BEFORE YOU RETIRE BECAUSE YOUR FUCKING
SOAKING IN LOADS OF FUCKING DEPHT!

Name: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 22 April 2009

I tell you what Sam, do your, thing. Keep posting under multiple names
and even using other peoples. You don't know what I'm about or have a
clue what I stand for. It's not right for you to keep fooling and
misleading people. You would be worse than what we have now. There was
another 30 plus engineer, that made a good post about how to cure some
of the problems. He use to go By Railroad Jim, but like me over the
last few years just elects to post his craft and length of service now.
I saw what you were last night. Your sick, get some help. Have sweet
Pipe Dreams tonight and please do your homework.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 22 April 2009

Does anyone remember the name of the organization that was formed
to unify the two crafts and take out the existing unions? The acronym
was something like ROLO.

The UTU announced the merger with the SMWIA and killed the start up.
This group was well organized, had a Charter and Bylaws. The volunteers
included Engineers and Conductors from the UP, NS, BNSF, KCS and CSX and
were all well seasoned on the RR and in the unions, both the UTU and the
BLEt. There were advocates in most terminals.

I watched the membership grow agonizingly slowly...when I first started
watching there might have 50 or so members. Eight or nine months later
the UTU announced the merger and the group disbanded
with maybe 150 or so members.

This group had a fairly broad base of support across the class I's
It took a lot of time and money to get as far as they did...only to
crash and burn.

In order to get as far as they did, you'll have to do more than
rant and rave on this forum.

At best it'll take 3 to 5 years to bring it on line and cost a couple
of hundred grand...got game?

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 20-30 years
Posted: 22 April 2009

Zoro, Loco30+, claims to be a Union Rep for the BLE. 

If that's true Zorro, the BLE must be really hurting to have a whack-o
like you on board.  

No wonder the rank and file want to dump the Unions so bad.

Name: Sam 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 22 April 2009

Name: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 22 April 2009

What name are you going to be today, Sam, Smith, Oscar, Loyd, average
joe, NoMo, George or who? (No, you can call me Sam - like everyone
else. What's the matter, Zoro,  does it bug you to know so many other
people disagree with you? Does it bother you that every single response
to my posts have been positive and supportive - except yours, Zoro.  You
are begining to sound like a sore looser. Gee, and we've only just
begun.). 

By the way, I don't think I would piss NoMo off again by using his
name. He's one big man. Probably pinch you head off and shit down your
eck if you do it again. (Unlike you, zoro, I don't need to use other
people's names.  Support for a United Railroad Union is definately out
there.  Your just too blind to see it. NoMo is my friend.  I would never
do anything to harm my friends.  You, zoro, on the other hand, are
cannon fodder. ) 

Before you go, leading people, (Zoro, you don't get it. You must be
brain dead.  People dont like to be led like sheep. That is what your
union fails to understand. It is a two way street, Laddie...).....the
companion laws that have been inacted over the years that limit what
you can and can't do. (Zoro, hate to break it to you but anyone with
an IQ of 10 can read the Railway Labor Act.  It's not Rocket Science -
except maybe to you. Oh yes, I forgot....you Union Fat Cats like to make
the RLA a big mystery - that's how you stay in power and collect union
dues - make sure the rank and file fall in line like sheep.  Looks like
your strategy is not working this time, Laddie.).

Name: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 22 April 2009

Name: Sam the Sham
E-mail: 
Employed as: Ape Less Than 1 year (LMFAO)
Posted: 22 April 2009

For more information on (He meant Sam,s) our new UNITED RAILROAD UNION,
see prior posts made by Sam, Larry, Smith, Oscar, NoMo, Lloyd, 
Conductor30+ retired, and Locomotive Engineer 1-10 and 10-20.  We are
getting support from a lot of guys LMFAO, yea right you are as long as
you keep posting to yourself) -  and it is building.  (Note: “Zoro” has
been posting negative statements on behalf of the old Unions. This is to
be expected - they are under attack (and rightly so). Take what he says
with a grain of salt, and make up your own mind. KNOW YOUR RIGHTS. Read
the Railway Labor Act for yourself and come to your own conclusions.( I
would strongly suggest reading it and very carefully. You have Sam
telling you he is forming a new union, but he didn't even know what
his own insurance co-pay is ans was giving out bad info. on that. LMFAO
)

Sam, your a funny guy in addition to being a low life lying sack of
shit to these people.

Name: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 22 April 2009

What name are you going to be today, Sam, Smith, Oscar, Loyd, average
joe, NoMo, George or who?

By the way, I don't think I would piss NoMo off again by using his
name. He's one big man. Probably pinch you head off and shit down your
neck if you do it again.

Before you go, leading people, you better know what the RLA says and
the companion laws that have been inacted over the years that limit
what you can and can't do.

Name: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 22 April 2009

BUSTED BUSTED BUSTED

You let everyone know how you do businesses already, smoke, mirrors and
deception. Sounds worse than what we have. Your a low life douche bag.

Name: Sam 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 22 April 2009

For more information on our new UNITED RAILROAD UNION, see prior posts
made by Sam, Larry, Smith, Oscar, NoMo, Lloyd,  Conductor30+ retired,
and Locomotive Engineer 1-10 and 10-20.  We are getting support from a
lot of guys -  and it is building.  (Note: “Zoro” has been posting
negative statements on behalf of the old Unions. This is to be expected
- they are under attack (and rightly so). Take what he says with a grain
of salt, and make up your own mind. KNOW YOUR RIGHTS. Read the Railway
Labor Act for yourself and come to your own conclusions. 
*******************************************************************


MORE BAD NEWS FOR RAILROAD WORKERS: 

RAILROAD INJURIES – 2008:
The Federal Railroad Administration reports that For  2008 there were
12,000 railroad accidents and 23 deaths.

12,000 accidents!!! 23 deaths!!!

CSX and the Unions say they did a good job.   Huh? Sure, they did a
"good job" - they did a good job injuring and killing us! 

12,000 accidents and 23 deaths.  For this massacre, the  Railroads
reserve billions of dollars every year (yes, billions)  to cover their
asses for the injuries they cause.  Totally wasteful, un-necessary, and
unbelievably immoral.   

Now, you might ask yourself, why does CSX allow this?   

How can a 21st century railroad industry  have 12,000 work injuries and
20+ deaths every year ( and probably another 12,000 injuries and
hundreds of deaths that go "unreported" or are otherwise swept under
the table). How can this be????

Simple.  CSX (and BNSF, UP, NS, CN) have a GREED complex, coupled with
a "we don't give a shit about employees" attitude.      

The CEO and the Board of Directors issue their narrow minded edict:
improve the bottom line – cut costs by chopping safety initiatives,
Safety R&D, Safety appliances, improvements in work environments, etc.
etc. 

CSX says it's too  “expensive' to pay for safety initiatives (other
than the usual poster campaign, safety meetings,  and luncheon speechs
given at the annual board meeting)  - its cheaper to kill or injure a
worker than it is to make them safer and prevent injuries and death.   


CSX and the other carriers are not solely to blame for there
immoralities. The fractious incompetent Unions share the blame equally
with CSX due to their incompetence and inability to win concessions
from the carriers at the bargaining table.   

Unions do not take a enough of a pro-active approach to stop work
injuries.  They don't hammer hard enough on the Roads to provide safe
work environments. 

Bleating like sheep at CSX and the government to do something, and
sniveling like goats at the bargaining table, is not getting the job
done.  Sheep get their asses handed to them - and goats get milked.   

Here is another impact – significant enough to be discussed: 

CSX (and other carriers) were handed the right – by the UNIONS – to
hire cheap new labor at significantly lower rates (dogfood  rates) and
with “illusory” (non-existent) benefits – far cheaper labor than what
it costs the Carriers to keep the old heads around. 

CSX and the rest of the carriers were handed a jet powered  revolving
door of cheap, inexpensive new hires to replace the injured and the
dead (or is it the maimed and the murdered?).      

The Unions sold off the rights of new hires – and ALL of us pay for it
– all of us rank and file pay for the Unions’ bad performance at the
bargaining table – we pay every day with unsafe working conditions
because its cheaper for the company to maim or kill you than it is to
keep you safe from injury – even at the expense of billions of dollars
a year they currently pay out for injuries. 

Unbelievable?    Absolutly.  

To CSX, as with other Carriers,  it is simple math. They earn $300 to
$400 million  a year replacing injured old workers with fresh, vastly
underpaid, new hires.  They have a vast, inexpensive labor pool to draw
from.  They LOVE this system.  

To fix the safety problem, it would cost more than the billions they
currently pay out to injured workers. Why is that?  A simple trip to
the balance sheet will explain everthing.  See the part that says
"labor costs".   That is how workers are classified - as a cost.  As
long as you are a cost, and not an asset, you are as expendible as
excrement. 

So, how do the old Unions fit in the scheme of things? Well, they just
blame their incompetence and ineptness on the other incompetent and
inept unions.   To the injured worker it is no "game" - it is a
gigantic cesspool of human misery – a world turned upside down, whose
families endure tremendous economic and physical pain and suffering for
years and years to come.     

Sad, but true. That's the current reality, and it must be changed.   

Now, the Unions will of course blame each other for this lurid factual
account  of the railroad injury business.    

Bad performances at the negotiating table are the trademark of the old
Unions. Companies LOVE them. Mike Ward LOVES them. The current way
things are done means lots of money in the bank for the corporate fat
cats, and a truck load of "favors" for the Union higher ups.
Everybody is warm and cozy in their million dollar mansions - so why
change anything? It's not their ox that is being gored!   

12,000 reported injuries would never happen if there was ONE UNITED
UNION going against the status quo of the Fat Cats of CSX and other
rail carriers. Instead of a bunch of  ineffective & inept
conglomeration of railroad unions, we would have a power house of a
union - something far more likely to produce results than what we have
now.   

How to start to try to fix  the situation? 

Begin by electing A SINGLE UNITED RAILROAD UNION to represent all
classes and all crafts. Merge the old mish-mash of unions into one
highly organized and effective SUPER UNION will give us substantial
potent and powerful clout at the bargaining table.     

Take a look at the Railway Labor Act for starters. A UNION MEMBER CAN
PETITION FOR CHANGE IN REPRESENTATION UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF THE
RAILWAY LABOR ACT.  Read the information provided to guide you.  Make
your new UNITED RAILROAD UNION a reality. 

For more information on the new UNITED RAILROAD UNION, see prior posts
on this site discussion the UNITED RAILROAD UNION, its goals and
platform that are currently under development.  100% prevention of work
injuries is one very important goal of our new United Railroad Union. 
We have a long list of grievances that are going on the table –
including (to name a few) our RIGHT TO WALK due to unsafe working
conditions,  unfair wages and benefits. and unlawful  abuse/harassment
of union workers.. 
*******************************************************************

NOTE: DO NOT BE MIS-LED  BY “Zorro” who is a HIRED GUN FOR the old
Union Fat Cats. Don’t fall for his negative self-serving propaganda. 
Take your own action – vote out the old company sponsored unions and
vote in a single United Union that will truly represent your interests.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 21 April 2009

Damn...I go to bed and all hell breaks loose!

Hey wannabe, I can do a fine job of getting into trouble without your
help. I'm strictly a 9-5 man...the only thing I do on 3rd trick now is
sleep!

Name: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

Sam, I think I gave you the right name. SAM THE SHAM.

You named me Zorro and I think you got pretty close.

Grow up little boy.

Name: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

Sam are you 10 or 12.LMFAO  Busted

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for 10-20 years
Posted: 21 April 2009

BettyFordFoundation.org

Contact:
John Boop 
Senior Vice President, Betty Ford Center Foundation

Name: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

BUSTED BUSTED BUSTED

Name: SAm
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

Zoro, you need some medical help. Too much booze, dude. 

Better check youself into the Betty Ford Foundation. 

I certainly hope your feeling better soon. 

Let us know how it goes, laddie.

Name: zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

I don't know what's going on here. Someone is stealing my name and
posting shit without my authority.  I will see to it that the
responsible party is kicked out of the Union. I DEMAND that this stop.
If it does not stop,  hell will be unleashed and rivers of fire will
burn you little fuckers to death.  All of you. Why are little people
taking apart the plumbing on my sink. why im goan to stomp uyou into
the .  there aint no floor. what.  What's going on.  I need a dink.
How bout some crwon. you got some Sammmy boy.  Wherrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrs my
car kys. oh, theeeeeeer tehyy is. how bout a drink little fellers.  i
sleeep nowww.

Name: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

Wait. I is not dead yet.  Mike Ward called to thank me for all my fine
work in messing with the new Union movement. I am a hero.  Now you rank
and file and take it up the ass, just like I said. 

SAm, your an asshole. I hope you die in your sleep. Good riddance.

Name: NoMO
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 21 April 2009

Too bad about Zorro.  Must have been too much for the guy to handle. 
Tough job sucking up to the company man. You couldn't pay me enough to
do that. 

Look forward to seeing some membership lists posted on here tomarrow. 

Gotta go.  Have to work 3rd trick tonight.

Name: Smith
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

Will wait till tomarrow for those membership lists. 

Thanks, Sam..

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

Zorro,  
Glad you finally found yourself before it was too late, laddie.

Before you do yourself in,  brother ass kisser, how about posting those
union membership address contact lists. 

Mike Ward will never know.

Name: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

You win Sam. I can't take it anymore. 

 I am Mike Ward's lap dog, just as you suspected. 

The Company made me that way - hired me as a Union Snitch, and then cut
my nuts off and made me a Newt.

Now I am gonna drink my Crown and smoke myself to death. 

Good luck with your new Union, wish I could have been there to wreck
it..

Name: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

BUSTED BUSTED BUSTED

Name: average joe
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 21 April 2009

So yes CSX does suck
it sucks big hairy monkey balls
i got a job in tn in november i want to say so i email my case worker
and they tell me that since they already have so many conductors
furloughed that it would be prudent for me to seek employment elswhere
in the company i thought that the only reason i was getting a job was
becuase of the new HOS law since my dad nor anyone im related to works
for csx and i was never in the military for those guys who where in
the
coast gaurd lol and got military prefarence.
So all these big plans of making decent money in ten years from now
when i no longer would have to worry about bieng furloughed for the
moment are gone im an electrician right now and doing good considering
the econemy and all and to all those working for the company it may
suck but know that finacially those who are working at least in tn
have
it alot better than most right now

You know i think its funny i have done alot of contract work for csk
ns
and up
the guy i did it with his son graduated from conductor school before
he
turned 18 and then i had to listed to him tell me how he couldnt help
me
get a job. yeah right is all i got to say 

to all of you  who dont reply fuck you
have a fucking safe motherfucking day 
average joe

ps im drunk so can i be an engineer
no really i am drunk right now so sorry for my bulligernce!!!!

Name: Oscar
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 21 April 2009

UP brrakeman i am.  if you are gone to vote on the unions say so. get
them out. i pay too much dues. get 1 union, save money. we will get
better contradcts too. best way to go.

Name: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

Going buy some smokes to go with the crown. Be back shortly, if you want
to continue this all night.

Name: average joe
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 21 April 2009

guys im sorry for my post im still drunk to all you guys out there on
furloughed status im am truly sorry i am a family man myself and since
tencare just dropped my one year old daughter becuase my last name
isnt
henadez or brown i can feel your pain
bieng the man of the house isnt easy and im just here to say i dont
mean to come off abrasive in my post and im sure a railroader will
condem me for posting on something i have no time in with i would just
like to say you guys rock and me bieng on the outside trying to get in
for so long im kinda jealous if you cant tell by my previous posts
goodby note 
like all of you that put up with there shit you do it for your family
not for your health or love of the job i have worked several places
where company moral was low the only thing that kept me from quitting
where my brothers in need of experinced help and my loyalty to them
not
the compay that we all got screwed by  which at the time was well i
wont
say in case my case worker at csk is readin this post and that would
id
me to them,

i hope all you guys get called back to work and then maybe ill get my
call to come learn from you guys and have the chance to be furloughed
you know deep down i think its sad to want a job you know that once
you
get hired you will be trained and immediatly be layed off but hell im
married so apperantly im a glutton for punishment lol im just some guy
trying to do what is best for his family with what i have to work with
so guys maybe i will be a railroader one of these days if i am i will
be proud to say it was to my own accomplishment and that is all 

so guys heres another drunk post by me joe 
have a safe motherfuckin day.

Name: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

BUSTED BUSTED BUSTED

Name: Smith
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

Wow. This zorro guy is whack-o. and a lap dog for mike ward! holy shit
wait till the guys here about this. bet he takes it up the ass. be all
over the union by noon tomarrow.  laddie your reputation is toast.

Name: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

BUSTED BUSTED BUSTED

Name: Mike Ward
E-mail: CSXCEO.com
Employed as: Corporate office, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

Zorro, 

Good doggie. 

You been a good little lap dog today.

Name: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

Quit talking to yourself Sam. Your sorry brother. Lower than whale shit.

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

Ok folks.  Tomarrow we will have some membership lists to work with.
Thanks.

Name: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

BUSTED, BUSTED, BUSTED.

Name: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

Fuck you and Mike Ward, you lying sack of shit. Fucking imposter, taking
on multiple names to try and fuck with people. YOUR FULL OF SHIT.

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

Zoro,  juvinile schizophrenic.  Rough childhood. 

What every railroad company desperately seeks to fill its Executive
ranks.  

Mike Ward has got to be lovin you.

Name: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

Busted, Busted, Busted

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 21 April 2009

Zorro, your not helping matters. As I said before the best way is to
have a single union. Might not be realisic, but worth a try.  Then we
walk.

Name: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

LMAO, your sick man. Keep replying to youself under differnent names.

Name: George 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

Smitty, let me know if you have any luck.

Name: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

Hahahahah BUSTED, still talking at 200 AM with his imaginary friends.
What a pecker head.

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

Thanks to all the Brothers who have responded in a responsible and
constructive way to the Union problem. 

Guys, if possible, please post your Union membership contact
information lists on this site. 

Thank you.

Name: Zorro 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

Busted I said. Your full of shit and lies, trying to make yourself look
good. Just like slackaction does, post under multiple names to try and
make his point. BUSTED, I say. Over and out.

Name: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

Your busted. Put your hands up and bend over, Mike Ward is going to
screw you as punisnment.

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

Larry, 

Thanks.  Will check into it.

Name: Smith 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

Zorro, 

have no ideas who teh Sam guy is. Not me. 

Are you a union contact?

Name: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

Damn 30 seconds later here comes George at 2 AM. Did you have imaginary
friends as a child Sam.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

Damn it just so happens Sam and I are on here at 2 AM posting back and
forth to each other and here comes Larry, Smith and Ape 1-10 all at
once. They all are SAM. Just the kind of new union man I want
representing me. Sam your not helping yourself win a vote with these
unethical tactics, they remind me of what we already have.

Name: George 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

I would like get a list of eligible Union members in my local also.   

Am using this Notice of Request for De-Certification: 

*********************************************************************
Petition for Decertification (RD)— Removal of Representative
*********************************************************************
The undersigned employee of ____________________________________
(employer name) does not want to be represented by
____________________________________ (union name).  Attached are the
certified signatures of a majority of members who desire that the
present Union Represenative for my local be terminated, and that I be
elected as represenetative in his place. 

The undersigned employees hereby petition to hold a
decertification election to determine whether  a majority of employees
no longer wish to be represented by this union. Should the undersigned
employees make up 50% or more of the bargaining unit represented by
____________________________________ (union name), the undersigned
employees hereby request that ___________________________________
(employer name) withdraw recognition from this union immediately, as it
does not enjoy the support of a majority of employees in the bargaining
unit.


SIGNATURE                           NAME               DATE (PRINT)   

                                           

______________________________________________________________      
______________________________________________________________
______________________________________________________________
______________________________________________________________
______________________________________________________________
______________________________________________________________
______________________________________________________________.

Name: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

Name: Smith
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

I like what Sam has to say.  

I am going to file a De-Certification against my Local by following
the
Railway Labor Law and using the De-certification form outlined in
Sam's
post.   

Here is my proposed platform for the United Railroad Union (will add
more later). More BS LOL  

A. Merge all of the Railroad Unions into One United Railroad Union.
   ( Give Sam that lantern, he's lost)
B. STRIKE ( easy said, for a person who doesn't know the law and yes
the law needs to be changed)

C. Stop furloughs, bring furloughed workers back to work.(You bring
them back, then cutting them off again and then retraining them LOL)

D. Implement Company paid TRAINING PROGRAM for displaced workers.( Sam
you said they couldn't cut us off with your union. Ops, I meant Smith
LOL) 

E. Higher wages, more vaction, better benefits, safer working
conditions.

F. More FRA investigations and steeper fines for Company safety and
labor violations. 

G. Stronger FELA laws to protect injured workers.

H. Rewrite union contracts - give workers more rights.


(Sam quit posting as someone else. You are good at doing this. You have
been 3 or 4 people trying to muster support in your favor. Your wording
is EXACTLY as in your other post. Now tell us how you will do all
this.)  More union huffing by Sam. 

Your so funny Sam. Now tell us the HOW PART.

Name: Larry
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

You guys will probably need a sympathetic union contact to get a
membership contact list.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 20-30 years
Posted: 21 April 2009

Lloyd, 

You got anything on email lists for union members?

Name: Smith
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

APE, that is a GREAT idea.  

How do I get an email list to contact other Union members who are
interested in merging the unions into one uniifed union? 

Let's roll!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 20-30 years
Posted: 21 April 2009

NoMo, 

My personal opinion is also that a single
union, representing the operating crafts is the way to go.

We need a majority vote from rank and file to get it done. 

A list of email addresses of union members would be of help.

Name: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

Name: SAM
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

More comments from the 'Union Rep': 


(So Sam break it down for us and tell us how
we would decert all unions and form one under this law).
READ THE LAW FOR YOURSELF, LOCO.  ( You better read the law Sam )    

(So Sam break it down for us and tell us how
we would decert all unions and form one under this law.)
SEE ABOVE. ( See above)        

(Tell us Sam how you intend to get the majority of the CLASS or CRAFT
to vote). FOR STARTERS, WE WILL NOT "PURSUADE" THEM BY SAYING THEY
LIKE TO, “TAKE IT IN THE ASS”. ( Still no answers only double talk as
usual, sigh) Read the law Sam  
  

(With the right leadership in the New Union these goals can easily be
met, and can immediately be obtained."  so says Sam……….do you go in
chat rooms also, telling the girls it's 10 inches when it's really
only two? You claim to be a big dick and your going to lay the pipe.
As
far as I'm concerned, you have a nub and are only wishing it was 10.
There are many little dicks in this world that brag about how deep
they
can lay the pipe).
LOCO (the "Union Rep"), YOUR OPINIONS ARE JUVINILE. GROW UP or GET
SOME PSYCHIATRIC HELP. Or, better, go get a job. (No more juvenile than
the way you have been answering me. I put that one in just to see if you
could take what you dish out. You couldn't. I already have a job, do
you 1-2 engineer? Ops I mean loco 30 plus Sam. Sounds like you don't
as much time as you have to post. What's wrong, cut off and going to
fix it with your new union.)

Your spell check won't work on caps lock. JUVENILE

Name: Smith
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

I like what Sam has to say.  

I am going to file a De-Certification against my Local by following the
Railway Labor Law and using the De-certification form outlined in Sam's
post.   

Here is my proposed platform for the United Railroad Union (will add
more later).   

A. Merge all of the Railroad Unions into One United Railroad Union.
   
B. STRIKE 

C. Stop furloughs, bring furloughed workers back to work.

D. Implement Company paid TRAINING PROGRAM for displaced workers. 

E. Higher wages, more vaction, better benefits, safer working
conditions.

F. More FRA investigations and steeper fines for Company safety and
labor violations. 

G. Stronger FELA laws to protect injured workers.

H. Rewrite union contracts - give workers more rights.

Name: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

Sam, I just marked off sick. I'm practicing for May 1 so I will know
how. I guess your new contract will give us May 1 as a holiday, taking
all the fun out of it. There will be icecream and cake furnished to all
by your new union. LMFAO

Name: SAM
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

More comments from the 'Union Rep': 


(So Sam break it down for us and tell us how
we would decert all unions and form one under this law).
READ THE LAW FOR YOURSELF, LOCO.      

(So Sam break it down for us and tell us how
we would decert all unions and form one under this law.)
SEE ABOVE.         

(Tell us Sam how you intend to get the majority of the CLASS or CRAFT
to vote). FOR STARTERS, WE WILL NOT "PURSUADE" THEM BY SAYING THEY
LIKE TO, “TAKE IT IN THE ASS”.   
  

(With the right leadership in the New Union these goals can easily be
met, and can immediately be obtained."  so says Sam……….do you go in
chat rooms also, telling the girls it's 10 inches when it's really
only two? You claim to be a big dick and your going to lay the pipe. As
far as I'm concerned, you have a nub and are only wishing it was 10.
There are many little dicks in this world that brag about how deep
they
can lay the pipe).
LOCO (the "Union Rep"), YOUR OPINIONS ARE JUVINILE. GROW UP or GET
SOME PSYCHIATRIC HELP. Or, better, go get a job.

Name: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

There you go again Sam The Sham. Twisting facts and statements to fit
your needs. Never answering questions that you are asked. Your not
winning any support from me yet. You haven't given me your plan. How
many times do I have to ask? Everyone jump in the fire, Sam said do it.
It will be OK, Sam said it. The many problems all unions and workers
have Sam will cure. He said so. Quote," This is not "pie in the
sky". With the right leadership in the New Union these goals can
easily be met, and can immediately be obtained." unquote. Quote, "
Sam is full of shit." unquote. Sam you posted why it wouldn't work
when you copied the RLA to the site. How fucking naive are you?

Nice post NOMO. You are exactly correct, the members make the union.
Sam fails to except this. It doesn't matter if it is a new union or
one of the current unions, it is all the same, Without the members
being active, the FAT CATS as Sam calls them, will continue as usual.
Merely forming a new union will not cure the problem, because the
members would be the same way they are now. The new union would let the
same BS that goes on now continue. Sam has grand delusions of what it
should be, but he does not have the insight to see what it will be. The
same members that allow it to happen now will allow it to happen in the
future. Sam is good at spitting out what's wrong now, but he can't
tell us how he's going to stop the bleeding. We aren't important
enough to know. Just do what he says. Meet the new boss, same as the
old boss.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 21 April 2009

Gentleman:

After a week or so of this argument...the Railroad labor Act is finally
in play...now what?

The carriers must love this discussion...a house divided. I have no
love lost for the UTU and as far as I'm concerned both the UTU and the
BLEt have let their membership down...alright, what are you going to do
about it.

Are you going to continue to point fingers...or will you act.
Regardless of what happens it will take the membership en-mass
to act to make a difference. 

New union, old union, until you get the membership to participate
nothing will change.

As long as the carriers continue to furlough...and the union (UTU)
acquiesce to it, nothing will change.

A year after the proxy fight has the new BoD improved CSX...no. So what
makes you think a new union would...my personal opinion is a single
union, representing the operating crafts is the way to go.

In reality however, any new union is a distant possibility. In the
short term making the current unions earn their dues is a much more
obtainable goal...only the membership can do that.

For those members in the UTU that are unhappy, the BLEt would welcome
you with open arms...for the remaining UTU membership, the UTU is dying
a slow and agonizing death, by their own hand...ultimately there will be
but one craft. Besides, why would the UTU need sheet metal workers in
it?

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

Here is what our Company-Sponsored Unions have to say about Railroad
rank and file (read Company-Sponsored posts by Loco30+ - the
Company-Boot Stomping Union Man - see for yourself how the Unions
think, and what kind of union "representation" we have....):  

The Railroad rank and file have no power. 

The rank and file likes to get screwed – so we (the Company sponsored
unions)  help the company put the screws to you.  

Railroad workers have no hope. 

Railroad workers have no rights. 

Railroad workers can’t strike.

Railroad workers can’t take a sick day off. 

Railroad workers can’t get a funeral day off. 

Railroad workers who get hurt, get punished. 

Railroad workers must work in ultra-hazardous conditions without
adequate safety protection. 

Railroad workers don’t like progressive unions. 

Continuous uninterruped employment for railroad workers will NEVER
happen.  

Railroad workers who want continuous employment are Communists. 

Railroad workers can only hope to live in Company homes and live on
Company coupons. 

Martin Luther King’s “I have a dream” speech does not apply to railroad
workers. 

Railroad workers don't care what happens to them or their families.

Railroad workers want bad union representation. 

Railroad workers want Unions to give away all their rights.  

Organizing a new, better, pro-active, assertive and competent Union is
a  "pipe dream". 

Anyone who trys to improve work conditions for the railroad rank and
file is mentally ill. 

Developing a new Union is Bad - too many pro-worker ideas. 

Railroad workers like to take it in the ass.

The Company sponsored Unions have all the answers - the rest of us are
dumb asses.

And on and on it goes. 

The ONLY possible answer to this assinine bubble-headed nazi boot
stomping regime is to DE-CERTIFY THE OLD UNIONS, UNITE RAILROAD WORKERS
UNDER ONE UNION, ELECT COMPETENT OFFICIALS THAT KNOW HOW TO REPRESENT
RANK AND FILE - AND PRODUCE POSITIVE RESULTS! 

Read the prior post on how to De-Certify the Railroad Unions, which is
stated in the post on the Railway Labor Act (thanks to Larry for the
positive input!) . 

Add to the goals set forth in the new Union Platform. 

POST YOUR SUGGESTIONS.

Name: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

We already have a remedy in place to stop unions from fighting amongst
each other. A new union isn't the answer. If every rail union would
join the IBT Rail Conference (Teamsters) it would allow each union to
keep it's autonomy an ensure one union doesn't attack another by
raiding members or encrouching into another crafts responsibilities.
No
union would be allowed to sign a contract till all have negotiated
successfully. Power in numbers. The only unions who belong at this
time
are the BLET & BMWE which is 70,000 members combined. Last contract
seven unions rode on the coat tails of the IBT Rail Conference except
the UTU and BRAC. We don't need lone wolves anymore we need
solidarity.

Nice answer Railroad Jim.

Name: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

Zorro calling Sam The Sham. What the fuck over.

You are counting on the RLA. Sam how many major disputes have you seen
lately. When the UTU took MY work it was ruled a minor dispute. I doubt
you were even around when this happened. Starting a new union will not
cure all the ills. We are our on worst enemy. 



REPRESENTATION ELECTIONS UNDER THE RAILWAY LABOR ACT:
The NMB has the responsibility for conducting elections when a union
claims to represent a carrier's employees. The NMB defines the craft
or class of employees eligible to vote, which almost always extends to
all of the employees performing a particular job function throughout
the company's operations, rather than just those at a particular site
or in a particular region. (So Sam break it down for us and tell us how
we would decert all unions and form one under this law.)

A union seeking to represent an unorganized group of employees must
produce a driver's licence or other proof of support from at least
thirty-five percent of the craft or class. A party attempting to oust
an incumbent union must produce evidence of support from a majority of
the craft of class. The NMB must conduct an election; while an employer
can lawfully recognize a union based on a showing of interest, the NMB
cannot certify it. ( Break it down again Sam, tell us how it would work
under your plan.)

The NMB usually uses mail ballots to conduct elections, unlike the
National Labor Relations Board, which has historically preferred
walk-in elections under the NLRA. Also in contrast to the NLRA, under
the RAILWAY LABOR ACT a union must receive a majority of votes from the
entire craft or class, rather than merely a majority of those who choose
to vote. The NMB can order a rerun election if it determines that either
an employer or union has interfered with employees' free choice. (Tell
us Sam how you intend to get the majority of the CLASS or CRAFT to
vote. Remember we are talking about several classes, which may effect
your plan in under this and the above paragraph. Think you can get a
majority vote from the entire craft, not just merely the ones that
vote?)



Protecting employees' rights:
Unlike the NLRA, which gives the NLRB nearly exclusive power to enforce
the Act, the RAILWAY LABOR ACT allows employees to sue in federal court
to challenge an employer's violation of the Act. The courts can grant
employees reinstatement and back pay, along with other forms of
equitable relief. Yep, I've watched this law erode over the years. Now
we are going back to history again Sam. Do your homework. As little as
10 years ago, many decisions were rendered in our favor. Then, it got
where they were rendered in our favor, without back pay and all other
rights restored or made whole. Now it's getting to the point that the
carriers are getting more rulings in their favor. What is Sam The Sham
going to do about this. I know your going to repair the problem because
you said you were. " This is not "pie in the sky". With the right
leadership in the New
Union these goals can easily be met, and can immediately be obtained."
, so says Sam. Yep, right your going to correct this in a timely manor.
Sure you, will, that's the ticket, yea right.

I want to hear the facts, Sam. The specifics. You have the plan and
want us to follow you, without telling us shit. Meet the new boss same
as the old boss. Do you go in chat rooms also, telling the girls it's
10 inches when it's really only two? That's about all you have told
us here. You claim to be a big dick and your going to lay the pipe. As
far as I'm concerned, you have a nub and are only wishing it was 10.
There are many little dicks in this world that brag about how deep they
can lay the pipe.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

Lloyd has another excellent idea.  The power to "Walk". (Peanut butter
in your ears Sam, I told you this in one of my original post several
times.) 

This is another plank in the platform of the new Union, which we can
get certified pursuant to the RAILWAY LABOR ACT. (Your wrong again,
don't be telling these guys lies and misinforming them to. Learn your
history and you would know why it's not true.)

So far, here is what we have from contributors (Railroad Conductor
retired 30+; Lloyd, Brakeman for 10-20; Tank, Car Repair; and Matt,
Locomotive Engineer 30+: ).  

1. Merge all of the Railroad Unions into One United Railroad Union
   A united workforce is critical to success - including merging BLE 
   into UTU. (Better be careful with your wording Sam. When you say
merging BLE into UTU, your going to piss off many thousands of
engineers. Maybe you meant combining all unions into a new
organization, so one wouldn't screw the other. Or maybe you did mean
exactly what you said by merging the BLE into the UTU. Only Sam
knows.)

2. Include a Nationwide Strike Clause - when we walk, we all walk.
   Power in numbers is the key to solving our problems.( Check your
history again.) 

3. Prohibit furlough of railroad workers during Economic downturns, 
   immediately re-employ currently furloughed workers, and provide 
   continuous un-interrupted employement for all railroad workers.(
Sounds great, but not reasonable. Supply and demand dictates the work
force of any company, unless you have a plan to take the entire country
communist in your next move, then supply and demand won't count. Maybe
you could get included a little company house for us to live in and
coupons where we can buy food at the company store. 

CONSTRUCTIVE PLATFORM IDEAS ARE WELCOME - PLEASE SEND IN YOURS!

( Sam says " **Comments/Suggestions Wanted & Appreciated** "
What do you mean Sam, you keep changing it. If it is a comment that
wants to know how, what or questions your motives or logic, you ignore
it instead of telling us what you intend to do.)


This is not "pie in the sky". With the right leadership in the New
Union these goals can easily be met, and can immediately be obtained. (
Sam again your wrong. You should not be misleading these people with
union huffing. I've tried to tell you there are many factors that have
screwed the working class and it will take years to correct them. Merely
forming a new union will not correct them. They will not be easily met
or immediately obtained as you state. Quit misleading these people.




Loco30+ (Zoro, Company-Union Trainmaster Ass Kickin Hero), you ever
read the Railway Labor Act? What planet are you from? This is about
railroad union workers - not the organization of tenant chicken
farmers. Duh. ( Duh is right. If you had followed this site for years,
I copied and posted just about the same article you posted about the
RLA, only I did it several years ago on here. I'm from, earth, which
one do you reside on, telling these guys everything will immediately
and easily be changed. You even told me it would cost me noting. Then
in later post you talk about the high financial cost. Then you talk
about how much effort, time and money will be involved. Your PLAN has
many flaws, which you haven't thought about. You need to do more due
diligence before your uninformed opinions, not facts, ask people to
sign a decert letter. Practice what you preach. Refer back to your
early post and see if you have the mentally to comprehend that remark. 
The more you talk, it looks more like a pipe dream. You have no clear
cut, well defined plans, that will make a difference. If you do please
post them for us to read. I'm always open to something that will make
it better for the working crafts. So far all you have given are false
hopes and a wish list. There is an answer, but you haven't figured it
out yet. 

By the way Sam The Sham, it is Zorro not Zoro.

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

RAILWAY LABOR ACT:
The Railway Labor Act is a United States federal law that governs labor
relations in the railway and airline industries.. The Act, passed in
1926 and amended in 1936 to apply to the airline industry, seeks to
substitute bargaining, arbitration and mediation for strikes as a means
of resolving labor disputes.

Contents 
1 Historical antecedents to the RAILWAY LABOR ACT 
2 Passage and amendment of the RAILWAY LABOR ACT 
3 Bargaining and strikes under the RAILWAY LABOR ACT 
3.1 "Major" and "Minor" Disputes 
3.2 Discipline and replacement of strikers 
4 Representation elections under the RAILWAY LABOR ACT 
5 Protecting employees' rights 

Historical antecedents to the RAILWAY LABOR ACT:
After the national railroad strike of 1877, which was only put down
with the intervention of federal troops, Congress passed the
Arbitration Act of 1888, which authorized the creation of arbitration
panels with the power to investigate the causes of labor disputes and
to issue non-binding arbitration awards. The Act was a complete
failure: only one panel was ever convened under the Act, and that one,
in the case of the Pullman Strike, only issued its report after the
strike had been crushed by a federal court injunction backed by federal
troops.

Congress attempted to correct these shortcomings in the Erdman Act,
passed in 1898. The Act likewise provided for voluntary arbitration,
but made any award issued by the panel binding and enforceable in
federal court. It also outlawed discrimination against employees for
union activities, prohibited "yellow dog" contracts (employee agrees
not to join a union while employed), and required both sides to
maintain the status quo during any arbitration proceedings and for
three months after an award was issued. The arbitration procedures were
rarely used. A successor statute, the Newlands Act, passed in 1913
proved more effective, but was largely superseded when the federal
government nationalized the railroads in 1917.

The Adamson Act, passed in 1916, provided workers with an eight hour
day, at the same daily wage they had received previously for a ten hour
day, and required time and a half for overtime. Another law passed in
the same year gave President Wilson the power to "take possession of
and assume control of any system of transportation" for transportation
of troops and war material.

Wilson exercised that authority on December 26, 1917. While Congress
considered nationalizing the railroads on a permanent basis after World
War I, the Wilson administration announced that it was returning the
railroad system to its owners. Congress tried to preserve, on the other
hand, the most successful features of the federal wartime
administration, the adjustment boards, by creating a RAILROAD LABOR
BOARD with the power to issue non-binding proposals for the resolution
of labor disputes, as part of the Transportation Act of 1920.

The RLB soon destroyed whatever moral authority its decisions might
have had in a series of decisions. In 1921 it ordered a twelve percent
reduction in employees' wages, which the railroads were quick to
implement. The following year, when shop employees of the railroads
launched a national strike, the RLB issued a declaration that purported
to outlaw the strike; the Department of Justice then obtained an
injunction that carried out that declaration. From that point forward
railway unions refused to have anything to do with the RLB.


PASSAGE AND AMENDMENT OF THE RAILWAY LABOR ACT: 
The RAILWAY LABOR ACT was the product of negotiations between the major
railroad companies and the unions that represented their employees. Like
its predecessors, it relied on boards of adjustment, established by the
parties, to resolve labor disputes, with a government-appointed Board
of Mediation to attempt to resolve those disputes that board of
adjustment could not. The RAILWAY LABOR ACT promoted voluntary
arbitration as the best method for resolving those disputes that the
Board of Mediation could not settle.

Congress strengthened these procedures in the 1934 amendments to the
Act, which also prohibited "yellow dog" contracts and created a
procedure for resolving whether a union had the support of the majority
of employees in a particular "craft or class", while turning the Board
of Mediation into a permanent agency, the National Mediation Board, with
broader powers.

Congress extended the RAILWAY LABOR ACT to cover airline employees in
1936. In 1951 Congress legalized the union shop, which the railway
unions had opposed at the time of the original passage of the Act
because of the prevalence of employer-dominated company unions at that
time.


Bargaining and strikes under the RAILWAY LABOR ACT:
Unlike the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA), which adopts a less
interventionist approach to the way the parties conduct collective
bargaining or resolve their disputes arising under collective
bargaining agreements, the RLA specifies both (1) the negotiation and
mediation procedures that unions and employers must exhaust before they
may change the status quo, and (2) the methods for resolving "minor"
disputes over the interpretation or application of collective
bargaining agreements. The RAILWAY LABOR ACT permits strikes over major
disputes only after the union has exhausted the RLA's negotiation and
mediation procedures, while barring almost all strikes over minor
disputes. The RAILWAY LABOR ACT also authorizes the courts to enjoin
strikes if the union has not exhausted those procedures.

On the other hand, the RAILWAY LABOR ACT imposes fewer restrictions on
the tactics that unions may use when they do have the right to strike.
The RAILWAY LABOR ACT does not, unlike the NLRA, bar secondary boycotts
against other RLA-regulated carriers; it may also permit employees to
engage in other types of strikes, such as intermittent strikes, that
might be unprotected under the NLRA.

 "Major" and "Minor" Disputes:
The RAILWAY LABOR ACT categorizes all labor disputes as either
"major" disputes, which concern the making or modification of the
collective bargaining agreement between the parties, or "minor"
disputes, which involve the interpretation or application of collective
bargaining agreements. Unions can strike over major disputes only after
they have exhausted the RAILWAY LABOR ACT's "almost interminable"
negotiation and mediation procedures. They cannot, on the other hand,
strike over minor disputes, either during the arbitration procedures or
after an award is issued.

The federal courts have the power to enjoin a strike over a major
dispute if the union has not exhausted the RAILWAY LABOR ACT's
negotiation and mediation procedures. The Norris-LaGuardia Act dictates
the procedures that the court must follow. Once the NMB releases the
parties from mediation, however, they retain the power to engage in
strikes or lockouts, even if they subsequently resume negotiations or
the NMB offers mediation again.

The federal courts likewise have the power to enjoin a union from
striking over arbitrable disputes. The court may, on the other hand,
also require the employer to restore the status quo as a condition of
any injunctive relief against a strike.


Discipline and replacement of strikers:
Carriers can lawfully replace strikers engaged in a lawful strike, but
may not, however, discharge them, except for misconduct, or eliminate
their jobs to retaliate against them for striking. It is not clear
whether the employer can discharge workers for striking before
exhausting all of the RAILWAY LABOR ACT's bargaining and mediation
processes.

The employer must also allow strikers to replace replacements hired on
a temporary basis and permanent replacements who have not completed the
training required before they can become active employees. The employer
may, on the other hand, allow less senior employees who crossed the
picket line to keep the jobs they were given after crossing the line,
even if the seniority rules in effect before the strike would have
required the employer to reassign their jobs to returning strikers.


REPRESENTATION ELECTIONS UNDER THE RAILWAY LABOR ACT:
The NMB has the responsibility for conducting elections when a union
claims to represent a carrier's employees. The NMB defines the craft
or class of employees eligible to vote, which almost always extends to
all of the employees performing a particular job function throughout
the company's operations, rather than just those at a particular site
or in a particular region.

A union seeking to represent an unorganized group of employees must
produce a driver's licence or other proof of support from at least
thirty-five percent of the craft or class. A party attempting to oust
an incumbent union must produce evidence of support from a majority of
the craft of class. The NMB must conduct an election; while an employer
can lawfully recognize a union based on a showing of interest, the NMB
cannot certify it.

The NMB usually uses mail ballots to conduct elections, unlike the
National Labor Relations Board, which has historically preferred
walk-in elections under the NLRA. Also in contrast to the NLRA, under
the RAILWAY LABOR ACT a union must receive a majority of votes from the
entire craft or class, rather than merely a majority of those who choose
to vote. The NMB can order a rerun election if it determines that either
an employer or union has interfered with employees' free choice.


Protecting employees' rights:
Unlike the NLRA, which gives the NLRB nearly exclusive power to enforce
the Act, the RAILWAY LABOR ACT allows employees to sue in federal court
to challenge an employer's violation of the Act. The courts can grant
employees reinstatement and backpay, along with other forms of
equitable relief.

Name: SAM
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

Lloyd has another excellent idea.  The power to "Walk".  

This is another plank in the platform of the new Union, which we can
get certified pursuant to the RAILWAY LABOR ACT. 

So far, here is what we have from contributors (Railroad Conductor
retired 30+; Lloyd, Brakeman for 10-20; Tank, Car Repair; and Matt,
Locomotive Engineer 30+: ).  

1. Merge all of the Railroad Unions into One United Railroad Union
   A united workforce is critical to success - including merging BLE 
   into UTU.   

2. Include a Nationwide Strike Clause - when we walk, we all walk.
   Power in numbers is the key to solving our problems. 

3. Prohibit furlough of railroad workers during Economic downturns, 
   immediately re-employ currently furloughed workers, and provide 
   continuous un-interrupted employement for all railroad workers. 

CONSTRUCTIVE PLATFORM IDEAS ARE WELCOME - PLEASE SEND IN YOURS! 

This is not "pie in the sky". With the right leadership in the New
Union these goals can easily be met, and can immediately be obtained. 

  

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Loco30+ (Zoro, Company-Union Trainmaster Ass Kickin Hero), you ever
read the Railway Labor Act? What planet are you from? This is about
railroad union workers - not the organization of tenant chicken
farmers. Duh.    
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

**************************************************************
Well folks, on to more important matters. Here is the post on
Decertification of Railroad Unions by Larry. 
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Name: Larry
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 30+ years
Posted: 20 April 2009

Fellas, I believe Sam is talking about de-certification of his union.

He obviously has complaints/grievances against the union,  and like it
or not, he is entitled to pursue his cause.  

Having worked for the unions over 30 years, including the national
office, here is what I know (briefly) about de-certification of a
railroad union:

DE-CERTIFICATION UNDER THE RAILWAY LABOR ACT
Under the Railway Labor Act, there is no procedure by which employees
can simply get rid of the "union shop" forced unionism clause in the
contract between a union and their employer. Nothing is written in
stone of course, however it would take federal legislation to change
the rule as it currently stands.  

HOWEVER, railway and airline employees have the right to oust a union
as their exclusive bargaining agent if a majority of the employees in a
bargaining unit sign cards authorizing an employee in that bargaining
unit to serve as their representative, and that employee files an
application for “Investigation of Representational Dispute” with the
National Mediation Board (NMB). 

The NMB would then hold an election between the union and the
independent representative. If the independent representative wins the
election, he or she can disclaim the contract entirely or just the
forced unionism clause.Detailed information about the NMB’s
representation procedures can be found on its web site. 

The case that established the right of railway and airline employees to
opt for non-representation is Russell v. NMB, 714 F.2d 1332 (5th Cir.
1983), in which a Foundation attorney represented the employees who
wanted no union representation. 

Unfortunately, you will not find any reference to this decision on the
NMB’s web site, but the procedures described on that web site do apply
to a “decertification” election under Russell. 

If you would like a copy of the Russell decision, contact your local
chairman and one will be mailed to you.  

Lastly, Sam, if you would like any legal help in pursuing
“decertification”, there are law firms around the country who
specialize in union
decertification. 

I hope this helps.

Best Regards,
-Larry

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Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 21 April 2009

I see both points of view with this situation but power in numbers is
the KEY solution to all of our problems.  I'm not real sure if a new
union would fix what is wrong or not but how about we all cut to the
chase and try and solve it the best way we know how.  Walk.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 20 April 2009

In regard to the post on decertifying a union the NLRB specifically
states:

"The NLRA does not include coverage for all workers. The Act
specifically excludes from its coverage individuals who are:

...employed by an employer subject to the Railway Labor Act, such as
railroads and airlines"
hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Thanks, Bill(NOMO). I was wondering if anyone would pick up on that.
I should have known you would. NOMO, if SAM can get you back on, with
back pay and benefits restored, I will be glad to vote him in.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 April 2009

The remainder of 1985 found the BLE stalemated in negotiations with the
carriers. The United Transportation Union (UTU) however, signed a
national agreement with the carriers on October 31, 1985 which became
known as the Halloween Agreement. The effect was devastating to
railroad operating employees. The BLE general chairmen polled their
members and the agreement was rejected. After a separate vote of the
membership, the dispute was submitted to final and binding arbitration
in May of 1986. Arbitration Board No. 458 allowed the carriers relief
from long existing rules including the 100 mile basic day and a
different pay structure for new hires.
jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj
I'ts not a blame game Sam, it's a FACT.  The UTU voted the agreement
in allowing for a two tier pay system. They screwed their own Brothers.
Award 458 shoved the same agreement down our throat through binding
arbitration. It was a sad day for all RR crafts.

You still haven't answered my basic questions. You keep using the same
old tactics the current unions use to establish dominance. I certainly
am not going to vote for something posted on the Internet from a guy
that I have no clue who he is. You want to decertify all RR unions and
you can't answer a few simple questions. I would like to help make
things better for the long run. You say you have the answers, but you
can't talk about it. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. You
haven't told us of anything that would have any teeth. We get that
same service already. You have to be a salesman Sam, with something
worth buying. So far you haven't sold me on anything. All I see is
discrepancies in most of what you have said. If you want my vote, you
need to show me where you are going to give me all the bang for the
buck. I want honesty instead of bullshit from you. If you can't give
me that now, how do I know you could do it after you form a new union.
Look at the way you try to dominate and control, your opinion. No one
should question it. You do not have to explain yourself. You just want
everyone to follow, with no questions. We should all trust Sam. Does
that sound similar to the current way our unions do business?

Sam says        " **Comments/Suggestions Wanted & Appreciated** "
I say                        Bull shit

You don't want comments or suggestions, unless you think they fit
Sam's agenda. You have a plan, you can't share it, but I should go
ahead and sign a de-cert form, because Sam says I should and everything
will now become hunky Dorie. Sam said it would. Immediately there will
be no investigations, carriers will quit hammering us, unlimited lay
offs permitted, no more job cuts. Sam look around you, are there men in
white coats asking you to look at ink blots? Jim Jones had a plan and
many followed. I want to know what I'm following and you haven't been
able to tell us without contradicting many of your statements in a very
few threads. When you can give the how's, when and what's let us
know. I get enough lip service as it is, without having to worry about
it from a organization that isn't even in existence yet.

Name: Somebody who cares
E-mail: Congrats CSX@fu.com
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 20 April 2009

http://blackpoliticalthought.blogspot.com/2009/04/christopher-wood-33-kills-his-wife.html





Sad part was you never heard of this guy on the news working for CSX!!!
 How much did you pay them Michael Ward.  I am challenging you
personally!!!  Are you going to step up and not hide behind Steve
Ingram for once??  Oh no, that would mean you being a man!!!!!  Heavin
for bid if that situation ever came up!!!

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 20 April 2009

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 20 April 2009

Yep, when the UTU was formed in 1969 ...they have given away more than
any other union. They even gave away a lot for me and I'm a
engineer....I guess you will take away the Vaseline that the UTU
allowed the members to use.

********************************************************************

OH, now there is some good logic.  The UTU is to blame, the members
bent over, and the BLE had nothing to do with it. 

Well there you have it - the "blame game". 

Gets kinda old, doesnt it?

Name: Larry
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 30+ years
Posted: 20 April 2009

Fellas, I believe Sam is talking about de-certification of his union.

He obviously has complaints/grievances against the union,  and like it
or not, he is entitled to pursue his cause.   

Having worked for the unions over 30 years, including the national
office, here is what I know (briefly) about de-certification of a
railroad union:

DE-CERTIFICATION UNDER THE RAILWAY LABOR ACT
Under the Railway Labor Act, there is no procedure by which employees
can simply get rid of the "union shop" forced unionism clause in the
contract between a union and their employer. Nothing is written in
stone of course, however it would take federal legislation to change
the rule as it currently stands.  

HOWEVER, railway and airline employees have the right to oust a union
as their exclusive bargaining agent if a majority of the employees in a
bargaining unit sign cards authorizing an employee in that bargaining
unit to serve as their representative, and that employee files an
application for “Investigation of Representational Dispute” with the
National Mediation Board (NMB). 

The NMB would then hold an election between the union and the
independent representative. If the independent representative wins the
election, he or she can disclaim the contract entirely or just the
forced unionism clause.Detailed information about the NMB’s
representation procedures can be found on its web site. 

The case that established the right of railway and airline employees to
opt for non-representation is Russell v. NMB, 714 F.2d 1332 (5th Cir.
1983), in which a Foundation attorney represented the employees who
wanted no union representation. 

Unfortunately, you will not find any reference to this decision on the
NMB’s web site, but the procedures described on that web site do apply
to a “decertification” election under Russell. 

If you would like a copy of the Russell decision, contact your local
chairman and one will be mailed to you.  

Lastly, Sam, if you want legal help in pursuing “decertification”,
there are law firms around the country who specialize in union
decertification. 

I hope this helps.

Best Regards,
-Larry

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 20 April 2009

Having problems with the Unions?

After my problem with the UTU, I spend countless hours on the phone
with numerous Government Departments and the National Railroad
Adjustment Board. This is what I found:
 
Here's the controlling documents and department that deal with the RLA
and the unions that fall under it.

   http://www.dol.gov/esa/olms/regs/compliance/lmrda-factsheet.htm

Name: sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 20 April 2009

Wow.  

Post one little form about De-certifying the Railroad Unions and Loco
30+ (ZORO! the Trainmaster Ass Kicking Union Rep) goes completely
bonkers (big suprise).  

OH NO!   It's a DECERTIFICATION FORM!    

What's the matter ZORO?  Getting a little hot under that mask?

Here little feller is the truth - read it and learn something. 

RAILROAD UNIONS TAKE NO RESPONSBILITY FOR THERE INEPTNESS:
Union Rule #99:  if a Union screws up,  the screwed up union shall pass
the blame onto the other screwed up union. (Note: this rule also works
in reverse....our current Unions like working in reverse - its what
they are good at). 

The UTU is to blame for everything?  No, but they are to blame for a
lot, as are ALL the other Unions. You all screwed up - and you screwed
us. 

So, guess what...you had your chances.....YOU'RE FIRED!!! 
(No offense - it's only business). 


FIRE THE OLD RAILROAD UNIONS and replace them with a single unified NEW
UNION staffed with professionals who know how to get things done - OR,
LOOSE YOUR WAGES, LOOSE YOUR BENEFITS, AND EVENTUALLY LOOSE YOUR JOB.


*********************************************************************
PETITION FOR DE-CERTIFICATION - REMOVAL OF REPRESENTATIVE
*********************************************************************
The undersigned employees of ____________________________________
(employer name) do not want to be represented by
____________________________________ (union name).  Should the
undersigned employees make up 30% or more (and less than 50%) of the
bargaining unit  represented by____________________________________
(union name), the undersigned employees hereby petition to hold a
decertification election to determine whether  a majority of employees
no longer wish to be represented by this union. Should the undersigned
employees make up 50% or more of the bargaining unit represented by
____________________________________ (union name), the undersigned
employees hereby request that ___________________________________
(employer name) withdraw recognition from this union immediately, as
it
does not enjoy the support of a majority of employees in the
bargaining
unit.


SIGNATURE                           NAME               DATE (PRINT)   

                                           

______________________________________________________________      
______________________________________________________________
______________________________________________________________
______________________________________________________________
______________________________________________________________
______________________________________________________________
______________________________________________________________.

*********************************************************************


The Fat Cats in the OLD UNIONS have inbred so much they can't read,
write or think straight.  BUT THEY CAN SURE HIT A GOLF BALL, AND ALWAYS
- ALWAYS - have no problem informing the rank and file tha we like to
take it in the ass....cause we must like it. 

It is the same old story. Blame the rank and file. Blame the other guy,
accept NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR INEPTNESS.  

Loco 30+ (Zoro) has no idea how to work with the new railroad
technology to save, keep and grow jobs......he wants us us to tell him.
 Sure thing.  If I wanted something totally screwed up, I would
definately give it to to the Union Zoros. UnFortuneately for the old
unions, this is not something we want screwed up. 


Do the Right Thing.  De-certify the failed unions.   

.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 20 April 2009

In regard to the post on decertifying a union the NLRB specifically
states:

"The NLRA does not include coverage for all workers. The Act
specifically excludes from its coverage individuals who are:

...employed by an employer subject to the Railway Labor Act, such as
railroads and airlines"

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 20 April 2009

Yep, when the UTU was formed in 1969, by conductors and three other
unions, it was the start of the down fall. They had the same idea you
have. I see how they handled it. In the 40 years they have been around
they have given away more than any other union. They even gave away a
lot for me and I'm a engineer. That's exactly what we need another
start up rogue union to fuck us more. I guess you will take away the
Vaseline that the UTU allowed the members to use.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 20 April 2009

How Do I File A Petition or Remove A Union?
The National Labor Relations Act provides the legal framework for
private-sector employees to organize into bargaining units in their
workplace, or to dissolve their labor unions through a decertification
petition.

 

Information Officers at any NLRB Regional Office will answer questions
regarding representation or decertification petitions and provide
assistance with completing petition forms. To file a petition to form a
union or to decertify an existing one, parties must file the forms at
the Regional Office that has jurisdiction over the area where the
workplace is located. Go to the page titled Locating Our Offices to
find a Regional Office.

 

The filing of a petition seeking certification or decertification of a
union should be accompanied by a sufficient showing of interest to
support such a petition. Support is typically demonstrated by
submitting dated signatures of at least 30% of employees in the
bargaining unit in favor of forming a union, or to decertify a
currently recognized union.

 

For more detailed information on representation petitions, read The
NLRB and You – Representation Cases (PDF*). 

 

For more information on filing a union organization or decertification
petition, read the Procedures Guide.

 

Click here to download a workplace organization or decertification
form: NLRB FORM 502--Petition (PDF*).

 

Who may file?

 

Any union, employer or individual may file a petition to obtain an
election conducted by the NLRB.

 

Workers Excluded from NLRB Coverage

 

The NLRA does not include coverage for all workers. The Act
specifically excludes from its coverage individuals who are:
employed as agricultural laborers 
employed in the domestic service of any person or family in a home 
employed by a parent or spouse 
employed as an independent contractor 
employed as a supervisor (supervisors that have been discriminated
against for refusing to violate the NLRA may be covered) 
employed by an employer subject to the Railway Labor Act, such as
railroads and airlines 
employed by Federal, state, or local government 
employed by any other person who is not an employer as defined in the
NLRA

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 20 April 2009

You give away the kitchen sink for new hires, then expect what? 
Support from the up and coming rank and file as they move up the
seniority roster?  You have been selling off the rights of new hires
for years. Now the Union bitches and moans that the new guys don't
care about the union. Why should they? You screwed them to death.
{Twisting the spin again. How many times do I have to tell you the BLE
did not sign the Halloween agreement. Your good old UTU sold the sink,
not us. They screwed every craft on the railroad.)  

So tell us Mr. Union Boss,  what's next on the agenda?  More job
losses?  More furloughs?  More cutbacks? Gonna sign a new agreement so
the Company can hire new people 'for the sheer pleasure and experience
of working for the railroad' - why pay them at all? Hell, you allow the
company to rip them off for thousands of dollars at "Choo Choo
University", then dump them in the gutter, and do it all over again
with another batch of "new hires". You can bet your ass there are
going to be more job cuts. Your pipe dream of starting a new union
won't stop it either. I was hoping you would answer my question about
how you would handle the new technology, which will mean more job cuts.
All you did was ignore the issue, the same way the current union does.
Your union huffing about your new union hasn't told me a thing. You
have explained nothing about what and how you will accomplish your
gaol, whatever it might be. You sound exactly like the current
organizations. You need to explain to everyone what your plan is before
you ask them to sign up. You haven't done a very good job of even
explaining, your current health care policy by telling people what it
would cost them to go to a ER. You couldn't even keep two post
straight in your head, as to who said what. When I pointed that out to
you twice, you never acknowledged you made a mistake, you just accused
me of being the same poster for that thread. Your rhetoric and
statements remind me of what we already have with the unions, ignoring
the issues, changing the subject or falsely accusing someone. The
question I asked about who you would ax, the engineer or conductor,
when GPS road trains were implemented was completely ignored. I would
think you would have loved to jump in on that one and tell me how your
new union was going to give job protection, or that you were going to
fuck the conductor, or the engineer, or that under your new union you
would never allow it to happen to begin with. You tell me to wade on in
and do the right thing and sign the petition. How do I know it's the
right thing, because you haven't been right in to many of your FACTS.
You have not explained to us what and how you will accomplish it. You
take offence if someone questions or disagrees with you. Your union
hasn't even started and you are trying to run it like the current ones
run.  I think I really want you negotiating my contracts. Son you don't
even know what your co-pay is for a ER visit under the national health
care plan, but you want to run a new union. LMFAO

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 20 April 2009

"Brother George" -  you are absolutely correct. The writing is on the
wall.  Conductor 30+ retired, Lloyd, and all the rest - you are right.


FIRE THE OLD UNION and replace it with a NEW UNION staffed with
professionals who know how to get things done - OR, LOOSE YOUR WAGES,
LOOSE YOUR BENEFITS, AND EVENTUALLY LOOSE YOUR JOB.


*********************************************************************
Petition for Decertification (RD)—
Removal of Representative

The undersigned employees of ____________________________________
(employer name) do not want to be represented by
____________________________________ (union name).  Should the
undersigned employees make up 30% or more (and less than 50%) of the
bargaining unit  represented by____________________________________
(union name), the undersigned employees hereby petition to hold a
decertification election to determine whether  a majority of employees
no longer wish to be represented by this union. Should the undersigned
employees make up 50% or more of the bargaining unit represented by
____________________________________ (union name), the undersigned
employees hereby request that ___________________________________
(employer name) withdraw recognition from this union immediately, as
it
does not enjoy the support of a majority of employees in the
bargaining
unit.


SIGNATURE                           NAME               DATE (PRINT)   

                                           

______________________________________________________________      
______________________________________________________________
______________________________________________________________
______________________________________________________________
______________________________________________________________
______________________________________________________________
______________________________________________________________.

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Locomotive ER30+ (Union Rep?), the fact is the current Union
negotiators have been getting their heads handed to them for decades. 

The company brainwashes them, stitches their heads back on, and parades
them out the door like a bunch of Frankensteins.    

You can blame the failures of the UNION on the carriers, blame it on
the apathy of rank and file,  blame it on politics, blame it on money,
blame it on Congress, blame it on the economy, blame it on technology -
hell, blame it on Union Fat Cats, hell... blame it on the dog if you
want.  

The fact is the Union takes no responsibility for its failures.  
It is always someone else's fault.  

A new federal government adminstration has been in office for months.
What has the Union done?  Hit the ground running?  Hell no. 

Our national unions are far too busy organizing golf outings,
advertising for donations, and giving us more bad contract news.  

You give away the kitchen sink for new hires, then expect what? 
Support from the up and coming rank and file as they move up the
seniority roster?  You have been selling off the rights of new hires
for years. Now the Union bitches and moans that the new guys don't
care about the union. Why should they? You screwed them to death.   

So tell us Mr. Union Boss,  what's next on the agenda?  More job
losses?  More furloughs?  More cutbacks? Gonna sign a new agreement so
the Company can hire new people 'for the sheer pleasure and experience
of working for the railroad' - why pay them at all? Hell, you allow the
company to rip them off for thousands of dollars at "Choo Choo
University", then dump them in the gutter, and do it all over again
with another batch of "new hires".    

Why not just post a sign:  "SLAVES WANTED - INQUIRE WITHIN (leave your
wallet and cash at the front door)".  

WE have a zillion railroad unions falling over each other not knowing
what to do - instead of one united powerfull organized Union that can
consolidate and better utilize all its resources in a more productive
and positive way - they run about willy nilly like chickens with their
heads cut off. 

If you want to win back the rank and file, you have to outsmart,
out-plan, out-hustle,  and out-think the carriers -  and so far, 
either our current Unions have no clue how to do that, or they are
making a decent living and have no motivation to care, or they are too
set in their own failed ways to do anything - or maybe it is a
combination of everything. 

Time to clean the slate.     

Stop your whining, and sign the petition. 
For once in your life, Do the Right Thing.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 19 April 2009

The remainder of 1985 found the BLE stalemated in negotiations with the
carriers. The United Transportation Union (UTU) however, signed a
national agreement with the carriers on October 31, 1985 which became
known as the Halloween Agreement. The effect was devastating to
railroad operating employees. The BLE general chairmen polled their
members and the agreement was rejected. After a separate vote of the
membership, the dispute was submitted to final and binding arbitration
in May of 1986. Arbitration Board No. 458 allowed the carriers relief
from long existing rules including the 100 mile basic day and a
different pay structure for new hires.

The BLE has been forced to follow the pattern contracts of the UTU for
years. I walked a picket line in 1982 for 5 days, only to be put back
to work by Ronnie and then have the UTU give it all away 3 years later.
The carriers offered us the same deal as the UTU and we refused only to
have it crammed down our throat through mediation. The UTU set the tone
to screw every craft and did. Not only have they lost hundreds of
thousands of their own jobs they started infringing on my job costing
our craft thousands of positions.  



Sam, lets see how you handle the next job cuts with your new union. For
over one year, the fast track has been testing remote road trains with
great success. Who are you going to ax when the carriers buy out the
Feds. to allow GPS operations with one man crews? Is your union going
to sell out the conductor or engineer? The technology will be in place
before you know it. I watched a GPS rock train a few years ago. The
train speed was set at 2 MPH and 110 cars of rock was dumped at a
uniform rate. The rock cut off at crossings and started dumping as soon
as it cleared the crossing. My first thought was, it won't be long
before road trains will be run the same way. If you want to see how
advanced the technology is, read the article in Progressive
Railroading. 

llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
Sure, you can go to the hearings and "kick ass" on an attendance
issues - kick some trainmaster ass. Big deal.  Meanwhile, you give
away
our contract rights, alowed the companies to chop our crews, whittle
away at our pay scale, let the old heads get fired, turn the check on
outrageous discriminatory practices by the carriers, let all the roads
fire the union workforce by the thousands, and your defense is your
busy kicking ass on attendance hearings, and then you bitch about the
about the lousy contracts that YOU wrote, and YOU passed off on rank
and file.  ( Now you gave away that you are a young engineer. Nothing
wrong with that, I'm glad your taking a stand, but it is an uninformed
stand. I've given away nothing in my years. If I did, so did you
because you HAVE 30 YEARS SERVIVE.{ So now I'm to blame for all the
above mentioned items. Me and me alone. Son, you need to learn your
history better if you have 30 years, or maybe it was too many drugs in
your day. It would take me a few hours to explain all this to you, so I
have no intention of going into it in detail. I will state again I have
never given up anything. Before you go making statements like that
again, think before you speak, because any old head would laugh their
ass off at that. By the way I never said anything about writing any
contracts, that's all fabricated in your mind.)

Again Sam, if you haven't been around and lived through it, don't
pretend you have. I posted the 1st paragrapgh to give you a little
history, before you continue to make accusations of what I have given
away. Like I said, if I gave it away so did you, because you have 30
years. Yeah rite, sure you do.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 1-10 years
Posted: 19 April 2009

Buddy,

    You really shouldn't advertise someones ID # on here and make
accusations that are not true.  Especially on a man that is good to be
around.  If you are going to make accusations like that, make them
about a guy in Baltimore named Matt "The Rat" Sanders who turns on
his employees because he THINKS he is promised a officer job!!  He is
also a young dumbass who has no sense and has no clue what he is
getting into according to friend of mine out there in Maryland.  I was
out there last week.  NOBODY talks to this idiot!!!  Look up his ID
(and people like him) and post his ID number, NOT MR. Salzaar (or
however you speel it).  If you all are ever out there in MD and see
someone driving around in a blue puerto rican mobile, you know who it
is.

Name: average jo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 19 April 2009

oh yeah one more thing 

THATS RIGHT ON EVERY FORUM LOL
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

Name: average joe
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 19 April 2009

guys im sorry for my post im still drunk to all you guys out there on
furloughed status im am truly sorry i am a family man myself and since
tencare just dropped my one year old daughter becuase my last name isnt
henadez or brown i can feel your pain
bieng the man of the house isnt easy and im just here to say i dont
mean to come off abrasive in my post and im sure a railroader will
condem me for posting on something i have no time in with i would just
like to say you guys rock and me bieng on the outside trying to get in
for so long im kinda jealous if you cant tell by my previous posts
goodby note 
like all of you that put up with there shit you do it for your family
not for your health or love of the job i have worked several places
where company moral was low the only thing that kept me from quitting
where my brothers in need of experinced help and my loyalty to them not
the compay that we all got screwed by  which at the time was well i wont
say in case my case worker at csk is readin this post and that would id
me to them,

i hope all you guys get called back to work and then maybe ill get my
call to come learn from you guys and have the chance to be furloughed
you know deep down i think its sad to want a job you know that once you
get hired you will be trained and immediatly be layed off but hell im
married so apperantly im a glutton for punishment lol im just some guy
trying to do what is best for his family with what i have to work with
so guys maybe i will be a railroader one of these days if i am i will
be proud to say it was to my own accomplishment and that is all 

so guys heres another drunk post by me joe 
have a safe motherfuckin day
joe

Name: avearge joe
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 19 April 2009

So yes CSX does suck
it sucks big hairy monkey balls
i got a job in tn in november i want to say so i email my case worker
and they tell me that since they already have so many conductors
furloughed that it would be prudent for me to seek employment elswhere
in the company i thought that the only reason i was getting a job was
becuase of the new HOS law since my dad nor anyone im related to works
for csx and i was never in the military for those guys who where in the
coast gaurd lol and got military prefarence.
So all these big plans of making decent money in ten years from now
when i no longer would have to worry about bieng furloughed for the
moment are gone im an electrician right now and doing good considering
the econemy and all and to all those working for the company it may
suck but know that finacially those who are working at least in tn have
it alot better than most right now

You know i think its funny i have done alot of contract work for csk ns
and up
the guy i did it with his son graduated from conductor school before he
turned 18 and then i had to listed to him tell me how he couldnt help me
get a job. yeah right is all i got to say 

to all of you  who dont reply fuck you
have a fucking safe motherfucking day 
average joe

ps im drunk so can i be an engineer
no really i am drunk right now so sorry for my bulligernce!!!!

Name: George
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 30+ years
Posted: 19 April 2009

UNION DE-CERTIFICATION:

I agree with Sam and the retired Conductor of 30+ years.  Lloyd has
many good points on this subject as well. 

There are a great number of old heads from all the crafts that I have
spoken with who agree. 

We have been around a very long time and have seen the changes for the
worse.  We all agree that unless something drastic is done to reverse
the decline of the railroad union, railroad workers in all trades will
suffer severe consequences in the very near future.  

Over the last few decades, beginning with the 60s and 70s,  stretching
forward to the 21st century,  the present Railroad Unions have gone to
the bargaining table again and again and come away empty handed on all
the major issues.  We have seen our wages, benefits and rights eroded
to the point of utter humiliation.  

The reality is this:  our current Railroad labor unions are outdated in
their planning and policy - they are out-classed by the Carriers, and
they have become completely marginalized and totally in-effective when
it comes to the big policy issues that have huge affects on our lives. 
  

Meanwhile the CSX,  Norfolk Southern,  Union Pacific, Santa Fe
Burlington Northern -and now the Canadian National-  are eating our
lunch at the bargaining table.   

While our Unions have been floundering, the  Railroad Companies are
hard at work  making plans to “rightsize” us at every step – greasing
the political machinery 24/7  and bagging the breaks they need to get a
huge leg up on legislation such as Railroad Retirement, FELA, Hours of
Service Act,  and the next round of bargaining.

If history is any indication, we don't stand a chance against the
large Carriers with the current Union administration.  

Even as recently as the last Bush adminstration, we had to stand by and
watch while the Union helplessly signed away our right to strike.  

Now is the time to make a change. Now is the time Railroad workers can
make progress.  

We have a new democratic administration at the helm of our national
political process. We have a huge window of opportunity to better our
work lives and make enormous progress for ourselves for the first time
in years.   

However, our Unions have remained passive in the face of great
opportunities. They apparently are happy with the way things are - and
apparently are ok with watching the opportunities for a potential
turn-around for railroad labor unions - the best time in  the last
quarter of a century - be lost forever. 

Is this the way you want your Union to represent you?

Employees who no longer want a particular union to represent them —
whether it's because the union is undemocratic, corrupt, violent, OR
just plain inept — are entitled to seek an election to determine if a
majority of their coworkers wants to drop the union. 

Such elections  are known as "decertification elections." 

They are not rare -- several hundred take place in a typical year.

Employees who want to vote a union out have to circulate a petition
calling for a decertification election. 

Here is what a sample petition looks like: 

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Petition for Decertification (RD)—
Removal of Representative

The undersigned employees of ____________________________________
(employer name) do not want to be represented by
____________________________________ (union name).  Should the
undersigned employees make up 30% or more (and less than 50%) of the
bargaining unit  represented by____________________________________
(union name), the undersigned employees hereby petition to hold a
decertification election to determine whether  a majority of employees
no longer wish to be represented by this union. Should the undersigned
employees make up 50% or more of the bargaining unit represented by
____________________________________ (union name), the undersigned
employees hereby request that ___________________________________
(employer name) withdraw recognition from this union immediately, as it
does not enjoy the support of a majority of employees in the bargaining
unit.


SIGNATURE                           NAME               DATE (PRINT)    
                                           

______________________________________________________________      
______________________________________________________________
______________________________________________________________
______________________________________________________________
______________________________________________________________
______________________________________________________________
______________________________________________________________.



There has been a lot of discussion on these boards of late about
de-certification of the current unions, and replacing them with new
unions and new leadership. 

I think this deserves some very serious discussion AND some very
deliberate action.

Thank you,

-Brother George

Name: Pissed off Railroader
E-mail: 
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for 10-20 years
Posted: 19 April 2009

Hello to all fellow Railroaders, I agree with most of your posts. I can
see it is definetly across the entire Railroading community that our
jobs, regardless of what craft you hold are going down hill fast! I
work for a railroad that is run the same way as you guys complain about
especially with some unorganized,untrained or in- experienced clowns
from The remains of Conrail,  NS, who couldn't make the cut! Now what
disturbs me is that there seems to be alot of Non Railroaders in here!
How do they get their info? I think from choo choo clubs they belong
to! Because 1 thing I know I hate are train buffs TRESSPASSING on the
right of way with their cameras or video cam corders taking pictures of
Train, M/W crews at work. I know from experience how annoying these
people are they're just like little kids who get a hard on when you
blow the horn! But they're so stupid that they wave at you and think 
it was for them................ But only if them idiots do or don't
relize it's complying with FRA Laws to warn people on or about the
tracks! A few co-workers and I use to get these buffs good we used to
moon them as we went by them it was great to see the agitated looks on
their faces! That even the M/W gangs would do it also. As for the non-
railroaders in here shouldn't have no rights in here as we have no
rights in their Buff meetings. It is really hard to see what us
railroaders go through in a day when they are on the outside looking
in!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 19 April 2009

Name: Sam 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 19 April 2009

Loco 30+ preaches the same old thing that no one wants.  (Just have a
little more sense than you. My comment was control what you have. The
laws are already in place to do that. Your" I have a Dream speech is
great, but not reality. I posted several threads on here several years
ago that were exactually what you are talking about. YOU WILL NOT GET
THE SUPPORT OF THE MEN. Look at how many fail to vote on their qwn
contract.)

Keep the status quo.  Change nothing. ( I said change plenty, make the
union work for you, not just a chosen few. If no one has the nuts to
take control over their organization, or get involved in their current
union, they won't do it in a new union.) 

Take the sick and diseased unions - instead of several terrible
unions,
he wants on one giganitic colossal failure. ( your comment was directed
at RRJ on this one not me )

This is what retired Conductor 30+ years and the rest of us hate.(
Again your giving the Hitler youth speech. Your trying to say what
everyone wants, because that is what you want. Go back and read your
post, they are full of contridictions. Even the way your trying to
present your plight  through dominance, sounds just like current union
leaders.)

This is why the vast majority of members dont like the unions, and
dont
vote for the unions. (Again another assumtion, that doesn't make
sense. What do you mean thay don't vote for them? If your talking
about voting in contracts, the reason they don't vote is they are
leaving it for someone else to do. They don't want to be bothered.
They are willing to take what they get, instead of voting.)

They suck.( I agree)

The only way forward is to get rid of the present unions by
de-certification, and re-build a new united union - what we the
members
want - not what the old Union Fat Cats and Company want.

  View This Article
 
 



Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 19 April 2009

There is a place for union consolidation which allows each union to
keep
their autonomy. The IBT Rail Conference which so far only the BLET &
BMWE belong. It stops any union from forming a pattern contract
against
other unions it creates solidarity. The UTU opted to rejoin the
AFL-CIO
which is as worthless as a teet on a boar hog. The AFL-CIO forgave the
millions of dollars worth of penalties the UTU owed for trying to raid
an overthrow the BLE after we affiliated with the Teamsters. Each
craft
is different their needs are different. Merging into one doesn't make
sense but belonging to a bigger structure does.

  View This Article

RRJ( by the way, Engineer suppose to have 30 plus, RRJ is the guy that
made the post above). He makes a point. Craft autonomy and not
incroaching on another craft is key. The carriers would love to have
your plan put into effect, thay would bend you over backward and make
you like it. The next thing more of your jobs would be gone. Since you
know it all, I won't go into lenghty detail. But I would think about
the whole picture. And yes I will take my chances with the BLE&T. I
don't want a trainman having anything to do with my working
conditions. You need the rite to strike and you need to use your
current union by-laws. If the scab union would quit rear ending the BLE
and any other craft they can, I would say a organizatin to make sure
each craft is working together in certain instances would be OK. I am a
Engineer and want to be represented by my craft. I don't belong to the
IAM, UTU, IBEW, etc.  I will never tr to do their work or tell them how
to negosiate their contracts and I don't want them telling me.

Name: Jimbo1
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 19 April 2009

You guys suck. You guys are big losers. You guys have no lives making
fun of a good railroad like CSX. CSX is actually a decent railroad, and
sure, it has its faults and mess-ups, but give them a break! All
railroads have their faults/mess-ups! Nobody is perfect! They are a
relatively good railroad! Also, for all of you railfans, I'm sure that
most railfans hate seeing rail lines get abandoned, right? CSX doesn't
abandon lines much. The worst railroad when it comes to abandoning
lines is Union Pacific, who abandons way more lines than most
railroads. They also have way more accidents than CSX. You can't blame
CSX for hitting cars/trucks at railroad crossings, either! You guys are
so retarded! Most trains need at least a mile to stop, so how are they
going to stop when some idiot driver decides to be a moron! They can't
help if the driver is stupid enough to race a train! 10 minutes saved is
not worth risking your life over! Trains very very rarely waste any more
time than 10 minutes. Is 10 minutes worth risking your life over? No!
This is very stupid! Also, look both ways before crossing railroad
crossings! Also, every company has its share of bad employees, so you
can't just go around bugging CSX because they have SOME bad employees.
Like I said, no company is perfect! If you are going to make fun of any
railroad, make fun of Union Pacific. UP sucks, their service is very
slow (the trains usually only go like 2 miles per hour or something
like that that is really slow), They abandon lines all of the time
(that's very loser-ish for a railroad to do), and they hardly ever
even run trains on their lines! Like, there is one line that I live
near where there are only 3 or 4 trains a day! So, if you are going to
ridicule any railroad, you should at least do it to a railroad that
REALLY DOES SUCK, LIKE UNION PACIFIC! IT SUCKS!

Name: Sam 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 19 April 2009

Loco 30+ preaches the same old thing that no one wants.   

Keep the status quo.  Change nothing.  

Take the sick and diseased unions - instead of several terrible unions,
he wants on one giganitic colossal failure.

This is what retired Conductor 30+ years and the rest of us hate.

This is why the vast majority of members dont like the unions, and dont
vote for the unions. 

They suck.

The only way forward is to get rid of the present unions by
de-certification, and re-build a new united union - what we the members
want - not what the old Union Fat Cats and Company want.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 19 April 2009

There is a place for union consolidation which allows each union to keep
their autonomy. The IBT Rail Conference which so far only the BLET &
BMWE belong. It stops any union from forming a pattern contract against
other unions it creates solidarity. The UTU opted to rejoin the AFL-CIO
which is as worthless as a teet on a boar hog. The AFL-CIO forgave the
millions of dollars worth of penalties the UTU owed for trying to raid
an overthrow the BLE after we affiliated with the Teamsters. Each craft
is different their needs are different. Merging into one doesn't make
sense but belonging to a bigger structure does.

Name: Billy
E-mail: 
Employed as: Car repair, for 20-30 years
Posted: 18 April 2009

The problem with Engineer 30+ (the Union Rep) - ZORO? -  is that he is
stuck in time - same old baloney that is completely useless to any of
us.   

Everything for him revolves around how it use to be.  The same old
finger pointing game.  So, nothing gets done and we pay dues for
nothing.  

Times have changed.  The railroad has changed and we got caught with
our pants down. We got the screws put to us.  

Lighten up and take a chill pill buddy.  

Union consolidation is the wave of the future.  

It is the ONLY future.  

Better get on board - or the train will leave you at the station.

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 18 April 2009

Conductor 30+ years retired just gave us the first exceptional plank in
the platform of a new Union Organization:  

1. COMBINE CONDUCTORS & ENGINEERS INTO ONE UNITED UNION
ORGANIZATION.....**United we Stand - Divided We Fall**  

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Name: retired
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 18 April 2009

I FEEL LIKE WHEN YOU SEE STRENGH IN THE UNIONS IT WILL BE WHEN THE
conductors and engineers becomes one union where all will be pulling
together instead of the ones representing you now is doing everything
they can against each other this is what the r.r. likes.

I beleive one day this will happen it should have been done a long time
ago when the r.r. started mergin together.To many people that is
representing conductors and engineers geeting rich doing nothing but
making the r.r. happy.
********************************************************************

This retired conductor is obviously a very wise and very knowledgable
man.  

What he says is worth its weight in gold.  We need more of this kind of
thoughtful, logical, and experience-backed input.   

Conductor 30+ years is absolutely right on point. 
Railroad companies have been merging for decades, and they have become
financial and political powerhouses, crushing our fractious union
organizations  like toothpicks, manipulating our elected officers like
robotic zombies, and stomping the lifeblood out of we rank and file
members.   

The result is the railroad rank and file are being marginalized
economically, intellectually, politically, and financially. 

To put it bluntly, we don't matter anymore.     

My personal belief is that ALL railroad trade unions should be
de-certified and dissolved,  and a new UNTITED STATES RAILWAY TRADES
UNION organization should be formed that represents ALL members of the
rank and file from ALL of the various and numerous railroad trades. 
This may not be possible in the first go-round, but it is a goal I
think necessary and worthwhile achieving - especially for the next
generations of railroaders to come.  

A UNITED front comprised of a united union organization is the only
thing that will bring sorely needed changes for the benefit of our
railway trades members.    

There will most assuredly be the naysayers from the die-hard Union Fat
Cats and the Corporate Blue Bloods - that is to be expected - change is
hard for any organization to accept and cope with.  

We need more ideas like the one just posted by retired Conductor 30+
years. 
              **Comments/Suggestions Wanted & Appreciated**

Name: retired
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 18 April 2009

I FEEL LIKE WHEN YOU SEE STRENGH IN THE UNIONS IT WILL BE WHEN THE
conductors and engineers becomes one union where all will be pulling
together instead of the ones representing you now is doing everything
they can against each other this is what the r.r. likes.I beleive one
day this will happen it should have been done a long time ago when the
r.r. started mergin together.To many people that is representing
conductors and engineers geeting rich doing nothing but making the r.r.
happy.I AM ENJOYING MY RETIREMENT AND HOPE EVERTHING GETS BETTER FOR THE
WORKING EMPLOYEES.wITH ALL THE SHIT RULES THEY NOW HAVE I AM GLAD I NO
LONGER HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THIS SUCKING R.R.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 18 April 2009

OK Sam, I'll tell you how many didn't vote. It was about 49 percent.
One GCofA opted out and the other three jumped on board. It doesn't
matter what organization represents a craft, if the craft doesn't
care. The men are subject to abuse by the carrier and the union when
the members don't care and that is exactly the case. Now don't quote
me, but if memory serves me correct the union bragged about how happy
they were with the amount of people that voted. The only thing the
union was really happy with was that it passed. The problem with the
union is the men are going to have to get off there ass and be active.
Everyone is willing to sit around and bitch, but they always want
someone else to fix it. It's incomprehensible that almost 50 percent
of a craft did not even vote(something that would have taken a minute)
on their livelihood because they didn't care. Just as I said, the
tools are in place to have a strong union. The BLE&T by-laws are
written in our favor, but the men continue to let a certain few
dominate the process. If you think you will get anymore support from a
new organization your wrong. They are the same people who wouldn't
even take the time to vote on their working conditions and 
pay scale. Union meetings are the same way, no one has time to go, they
have other things they want to do. Another engineer posted something to
this affect, toady on another venue. He is correct. There is no reason
a member can't make 4 to 6 meetings a year. 

YOU HAVE TO HAVE MEMBER SUPPORT AND INVOLVMENT TO BE SUCCESSFUL. THAT
IS THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT UNION IT IS
OR IF IT'S A NEW ORGANIZATION, IT WILL REMAIN THE SAME WITHOUT MEMBER
SUPPORT.

You continuously contradict yourself, confuse facts, accuse people of
things they never said or did, have a very limited union knowledge and
have your union history incorrect. You remind me of the way the union
operates now. In fact with your demeanor, you wouldn't be any better
than what we have now. It would be the same old song and dance. Your
ranting reminds me of a Hitler youth camp speech. It is your way or no
way. Not a good way to start a union{meet the new boss, same as the old
boss}.

If you think forming a new union is the answer to all the problems,
your wrong. It would take much more than this and I'm not going to get
to deep because it would take to long. Let's say you were successful in
getting the current union members to become active, there could be alot
of change made for the better, but there are still many more things
that would have to change. Just one of these would be Federal laws that
limit our power. If members can't vote on their pay, you think they are
going to vote in an election. The RLA of 1934 is in shambles and the NMB
neutral rules in the carriers favor more than they should. You want to
protect the members,and that is admirable, but not factual. Look at the
FEC strike from the 60's and you will see how ruthless the people are
you work for. The fact is they run the company not you. Until we get
the power of a strike vote back, we are screwed. Starting a new union
won't give you this power. It will have to be done another way. You
also talk about firing employees. Again the fact is this will always
happen, no matter what union is in place. There are employees that
won't take care of their job and then want the union to bail them out.
Very seldom do those people take responsibility for their own actions,
they want to blame the union. The fact is a union is not a baby sitter
for an employee, the employee has to use some common sense in their
actions. Does the company abuse the discipline policy. Yes, in many
instances they do. They are excessive more than they should be and will
take their chances that the NMB will rule in their favor. Will a new
union cure this problem. No it won't. What will cure it. A change in
politicians that refuse to be bought off from the carriers and allow us
the rite to strike.

I still like your spunk, but your barking up the wrong tree to cure the
problems.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 18 April 2009

SpongeBob

You crossed the line posting about Mr Salazar.   I have never seen him
bother anyone.  He acts very professionally, something too many at
Avon
have no clue on, professional conduct.    Have you ever considered he
could have got caught up in a situation of a teenage girl changing her
mind or even lying.   I would bet a lot of money no child is in any
danger of being around Mr Salazar.

SpongeBob has casted the first stone.  Are you really a guy SpongeBob.

 

Just bad taste and a poor choice too bring up on here.

Another point of view.

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 18 April 2009

Eng +30

You know I sometimes agree with a lot you say on here but whoever Sam
is has the right idea.  If you think our union is going to change for
us now and make everything better..thats a pipe dream.  Times are
pretty tough for the railroads right now but you have to chuckle inside
a little when you hear about all the furloughs while the heads of this
operation still receive fat bonuses and the heads of our unions are
still living lavishly as well.  Starting a new organization would be
extremely tough and would take a lot of hard work....but it's
definitely time for change.  Everyone is fed up with their harassment,
their lies, attendance policy, and rules that basically state that
anytime anything goes wrong..it is your fault.  I think the younger men
out here have a different voice than the guys who have 25 plus in the
company and its starting to show.  Maybe nothing can or will be done
but I'd say its worth a shot right?  Maybe I'm wrong, maybe you are
right.  Before its all over though, I'll do everything in my power to
expose these pieces of shit for what they are..whether I stay with this
company or not.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 17 April 2009

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 17 April 2009

So how many years service Sam? You didn't answer that one. Sounds
like
you have been indoctrinated into some zombie cult. You have a hard on
for everyone, without knowing your history or facts. If you think that
you are going to be represented for nothing, your wrong. If you think
it will always be fair your wrong. If you have 2 people one will
always
think they are getting screwed, they will very seldom agree on all
topics. So Sam, how many people voted for your SSA in percentages?
What
percent didn't even bother to vote at all? How many people couldn't
take time to mark an X or tele-vote for something that would affect
their livelihood. You think your in a grass roots movement, how are
you
going to get the majority to side with you and support your group when
they can't even mark an X on a ballot. Another pipe dream is your
movement won't cost anything. Let's say your successful in a start
up, I can assure you it won't be free for long. Grow up, get the rose
colored glasses off. Your organization would be full of the same BS as
the other unions within 2 years.
llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
HMMMMMMMM no reply from Sam. He's getting selective answering. Then he
wants to twist things to his liking by answering with childish BS.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 17 April 2009

Sorry Ben. Things aren't looking good on any railroads now, unless you
are a storage yard for rail cars. RR's are usually the last affected
and the first to rebound during crappy times. I spent time in the 70's
on the street. I came through it and so will you. It may get
discouraging at times and you may lose some things. This is the worst
I've seen it in years. All big companies are cutting and I'm scared
it's going to get worse. Much of the business on railroads is residual
now. When it ends there won't be much new business until the economy
gets better. Do what you have to do and start making plans to feed and
take care of your family, just in case. I'm sure Sam will have some
smart ass comment to add, but I hope everything works out. I hate to
sound pessimistic, but I've seen times like this before and it
doesn't look good now.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 17 April 2009

Newbie, you still can't get it out with out putting the spin on it. I
think I'll pass on your new organization your forming. With your mode
of doing busines we will be working for free. You have had error after
error in your statements, prevarications and you just keep trying to
twist them until they come out in your favor. Sounds just like what we
have now, lip service.

Name: Benjamen B.
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 1-10 years
Posted: 17 April 2009

Now i am begining to worry. Looks like another furlough for me. . 

Why arent the unions doing anything to protect us.  They dont return
calls. 

I have kids and a mortgage. jesus. its everyone for hisself. 

"rightsizing"?  whats right about it? 


NEW YORK -- Railroad operator CSX Corp. said Wednesday (April 15) it
predicts double-digit declines in shipping volume to continue through
the second quarter, and expects to furlough more employees as a
result,according to the Associated Press. 
CSX  Corp. reported on Tuesday its first-quarter earnings dropped 30
percent. CSX has already furloughed about 2,300 employees in the last
year, but executives said that more "rightsizing" will be needed as
business slows further. At the end of March, CSX had about 30,000
employees. CSX cut about 9 percent of its rail yard crews and 13
percent of its local crews -- the workers that connect trains for
customers -- in the first quarter.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 17 April 2009

Damn, all posted at 3 AM within a minute. Have you changed names Sam?
One from Sam and 2 more from?

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 17 April 2009

He is the floating mist in the pale moon-light. 
He is "ZORO", our masked, trainmaster ass kickin, Union hero.  

Lets all rise, bow,  and give ZORO a standing ovation, honorary
Harvard
degree, and a big bouquet of bright red roses.

Never claimed to be a hero. I am pro union and believe they work when
they are run correctly. In order to straighten this mess out the rank
and file has to get control of them again.

Name: Kline
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 17 April 2009

ZORO, where were you?

Damsel in Distress.    

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 17 April 2009

Actually I didnt wait a year before checking in.I had tried to contact
my union rep(who never returned my calls) and csx(which gave me the
run
around & no answers on how to return to work) before my 12 weeks were
up
but to no avail...I am glad I dont work for them anymore. Any place
that
would treat someone and everyone like that is not worth the time of
day.It seemed like they hire women to meet the quota and then find
ways
to rid themselves of them LOL. I worked hard and never asked a man for
help, I did my job and did it well...JUst a southern mentality(csx) if
you ask me...I just enjoyed railroading and keep an eye here in the
posts.When I heard about the 50% layoff I figured Id toss in my story
of how they manage to slip things through the cracks to suit
themselves
and that unions dont necessesarily have the employees interests at the
top of their lists....
09090909090909090909090909090909090909090909090909090909090909090909

A good reason to de-certify the Union.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 17 April 2009

Webmaster,

Sam says I should quit posting on here. Do you agree, if so I will stop
today. I've been posting 7 years, but will stop immediately, if that is
your wish. Is Sam in charge of that department now?

Ops, before I go one other question. Has Goober been sending you any
money or just free riding? If Goober sends a hundred I'll match it. If
he doesn't I'll still send a hundred, if that's OK. All you people
should send a little, Sam should send a lot. I'll still send it even
if I can't post. :}

Name: Tank
E-mail: 
Employed as: Car repair, for 10-20 years
Posted: 17 April 2009

I agree with Sam. 

We need a special election. DE-CERTIFY the UNIONS. 

We need to CERTIFY NEW ORGANIZATIONS - ones that represent us, not the
company.

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 17 April 2009

He is no-one, but everyone. 
He is no-where, but everywhere. 
He is a ghost. 
He is an apparation. 
He is the floating mist in the pale moon-light. 
He is "ZORO", our masked, trainmaster ass kickin, Union hero.  

Lets all rise, bow,  and give ZORO a standing ovation, honorary Harvard
degree, and a big bouquet of bright red roses.     

Let's see, the last we heard of our hero - about a dozen posts ago -
ZORO was hard at work, lost somewhere in the moon-light mist of ghostly
 contradictions and tortured babblings of mis-confabulation,  hot on the
trail of CSX Bad Guys who were about to summarily execute a CSX engineer
for taking off a sick day. 

Never fear, its ZORO to the rescue.     

Even though ZORO was really busy riding around kicking trainmaster
asses and holding club house meetings with his important ZORO CLUB
Union Fat Cats, he did manage to gallop by and toss out some
un-intelligable, contradictory,  ambiguous "ZORO-SPEAK" (a mystical
language that defies conventional definition or interpretation).    

In the last chapter, ZORO's advice to the poor railroad engineer, was
to get himself a good rep (assuming, says ZORO, that all reps are not
Company whores).  ZORO did not leave a 'whore detection test' behind,
so your on your own here. 

ZORO also advised in "ZORO LANGUAGE" that the engineer should
'bait' the Company officer into looking like an idiot, and then tell
the  trainmaster that ZORO is coming to kick his boney little ass. 
That will warm things up a bit.   

And, oh yes, on a side note, ZORO thinks the CSX contract sucks, CSX
rank and file are to blame, and article 32 might be your only hope, or
maybe not. 

And last, but not least, ZORO hollered out,  "Good Luck!". 

Oh, and lest we forget these words of wise counsel,  ZORO said that a
doctor's pass "should" be just as good as an ER pass (but of course
an ER pass would have been better (ahem)). If they don't believe you,
just tell them ZORO said so. (They will all shake in their boots with
fear and give you their gold and their young virgin daughters if you
just go away and leave them alone).   

Last, but not least, ZORO recommends that you un-necessarily piss off
the CSX company people during your hearing - that way when you loose
your hearing you will be in a really swell negotiating position when
the Trainmaster calls you in to fire you. 

He is no-one, but everyone. 
He is no-where, but everywhere. 
He is a ghost. 
He is an apparation. 
He is the floating mist in the pale moon-light.  
He is "ZORO", our masked, trainmaster ass kickin, Union Hero.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 17 April 2009

By the way Sam, I would suggest you start giving factual information, if
you are representing a new organization. If you don't it makes you just
like the current unions. You talk about trust, integrity and ethics.
Start by quit trying to make it look like your a old head. It doesn't
matter how much service you have. What matters is how much heart and
drive you have in getting a flawed system corrected. You are in a
learning cure. Don't be tainted with hate if someone doesn't agree
with you 100 percent. This is how the union operates now. They try to
impose their iron fist on the men, they don't encourage dialogue. Your
starting out the same way, your way or no way. A union should be a
democratic process controlled by the members. You are to opinionated.
I'm opinionated also. One thing I have learned over a lot of years is
to listen and think sometimes before I comment and sometimes my opinion
changes.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 17 April 2009

So how many years service Sam? You didn't answer that one. Sounds like
you have been indoctrinated into some zombie cult. You have a hard on
for everyone, without knowing your history or facts. If you think that
you are going to be represented for nothing, your wrong. If you think
it will always be fair your wrong. If you have 2 people one will always
think they are getting screwed, they will very seldom agree on all
topics. So Sam, how many people voted for your SSA in percentages? What
percent didn't even bother to vote at all? How many people couldn't
take time to mark an X or tele-vote for something that would affect
their livelihood. You think your in a grass roots movement, how are you
going to get the majority to side with you and support your group when
they can't even mark an X on a ballot. Another pipe dream is your
movement won't cost anything. Let's say your successful in a start
up, I can assure you it won't be free for long. Grow up, get the rose
colored glasses off. Your organization would be full of the same BS as
the other unions within 2 years.
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Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 17 April 2009

Confessions of a Union Rep:  

“All you just said is already in place, it is not being used”.
(Bullshit. The only thing currently in place is a MOCKERY. The rank
and
file do not use or support the union because it SUCKS. They help no
one
but themselves. It has become a FAT USELESS PIG. Rank and File have a
complete and total lack of confidence in the Union, and they want a
change.).  Why is it fat and useless, you can spew all the shit you
want. but the truth is the members don't care, they aren't active,
they let a few dominate it.

“You already pay dues to an organization that is suppose to be doing
this”. 
(LOL.  The UNION has a hand in 20,000 paychecks, every single month. 
Our paycheck money is confiscated by an organization that is
controlled
by the Company. We don’t pay dues – we pay ransom money, or we don’t
get
to work.  Another UNION “rule”). I agree with you

“So now I'm suppose to go out and pay another organization in
addition
to what I am already paying, to get the same results I'm getting
now”. No doubt, you will be. I hope your not that naive.
( The results we get now SUCK and have SUCKED for years. The new
organization does not want or need your money. Time to stop the
current
orgy of sucking on the workers’ paycheck.  )  Not disagreeing, never
said I did.  

“With your time on the railroad you know that won't work.
It sounds great, but it's a pipe dream.” 
(Spoken like a true Union Rep  on the Company Payroll.  You stick up
for the worst organization around because they PAY you. Just doing
your
job – right?!)  Never have received as much as a nickle from the Union,
even though I could have. Never received a dime from the company except
for performing my duties as an Engineer. You make to many assumptions.


“The only thing you will be doing is shelling out 2X's the money for
the same results.” 
(Sur