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Rule #1 -- Don't get hurt.

    Safety is the first priority. Er, or is it the second, after money.... Or the third after getting the trains out....



Webmaster's note:

Since I go through the server logs regularly, I just thought I'd take this opportunity to point out that all of the comments in defense of the company seem to come from Jacksonville, while complaints come from everywhere that the company does business.

You do the math.



Name: Dong Bageley
E-mail: MikeyWardsbitch@CSX.com
Employed as: M of W, for 1-10 years
Posted: 03 July 2009

Heck no MOW does not do this. LMFAO.
I don't even think M and W do this on their lunch break xD

What is wrong with some people?

Woman on tracks "to clear her mind" struck by train
Posted by Erin Stock June 28, 2009 12:04 PM
Categories: Breaking News
A 22-year-old Birmingham woman broke her leg after a train hit her
this
morning on the 2100 block of Morris Avenue, Birmingham police said. 

  
The woman told police she was lying on the tracks "to clear her
mind"
when the train approached around 7 a.m., Officer Lawrence Billups
said.

The CSX train was moving about 10 mph when it hit her, Billups said.
The train's operator told police he tried to stop.

"The operator saw her and didn't recognize it was a person until he
got up on her," Billups said.

The woman was transported to UAB Hospital.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 03 July 2009

The BLET and UTU ought to have a blanket strike against all these class
1 railroads. Since they want to do something illegal, so should we. How
much more are the unions willing to lose? So far they do not have an
impressive "track record"

On backs and pocketbooks of employees 
The nation's major railroads have asked a federal court to permit them
to violate existing collective bargaining agreements with the UTU and
the BLET when the railroads implement new hours-of-service regulations
that take effect July 16. 

The soon-to-be-implemented hours-of-service limitations are directed by
Congress in the Rail Safety Improvement Act of 2008 (RSIA), whose intent
is to reduce train-crew fatigue and improve the quality of life of train
crews.

The lawsuit was filed by the carriers in U.S. district court in Ft.
Worth, Texas, and the UTU and the BLET intend to mount a vigorous
defense.

The carriers acknowledge in their lawsuit that they intend to implement
the new regulations as they fit; and, in so doing, may violate existing
labor agreements with respect to wage guarantees.

"Quite simply, the railroads have asked the court to overturn their
collective bargaining agreements with the UTU and the BLET," said UTU
International President Mike Futhey. "The carriers want court approval
to disregard collective bargaining agreements in violation of the
Railway Labor Act.

Name: SAFETY STRIKE
E-mail: SafetyStirke.com
Employed as: APE, for 30+ years
Posted: 01 July 2009

VIAREGGIO, Italy – A freight train carrying LPG gas derailed and
exploded in the midst of a small Italian town, setting off a nuclear
sized fire ball that killed at least 16 people, many as they slept in
their homes, and injured at least 50, officials said Tuesday.

The 14-car train was traveling from the northern city of La Spezia to
Pisa when a car derailed while traveling through a residential
neighborhood beside the train station in the Tuscan seaside town of
Viareggio just before midnight Monday.

A train car filled with LIQUEFIED PETROLEUM GAS, or LPG, sprang a leak,
causing an explosion that pulverized several buildings and set fire to a
vast area. Homes instantly crumbled and burned, killing many residents
as they slept.

The exact death toll was unclear as hundreds of rescuers searched
through the rubble for survivors.

Guido Bertolaso, the chief of the Civil Protection Department, told
reporters at the scene that 12 people had been killed, the ANSA and
Apcom news agencies said. He said four people were missing.

Gennaro Tornatore, a spokesman for the firefighters, said 15 people had
died, while an official with the hospital in Viareggio, Stefano
Pasquinucci, said the death toll stood at 16.

Many of the injured suffered severe burns.

"We saw a gigantic ball of fire rising up to the sky," said witness
Gianfranco Bini, who lives in a building overlooking the station. "We
heard three big rumbles, like bombs. It looked like  war had broken
out."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090630/ap_on_re_eu/eu_italy_train_derailed;_ylt=AgSWWTe9ZU_wjf1jgHSzKvQDW7oF

Name: Steve Gordon
E-mail: sgordon@gordon-elias.com
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 30 June 2009

Hello All-

I am seeking any information from anyone that knows:
(1) about the relationship or contract [if any] between CSX and
Goodyear Tire Co. to service/replace and/or repair its Goodyear tires
that are utilized, for instance, on backhoes including, but not limited
to, (a)is it a national agreement, i.e., are Goodyear tires used in all
the CSX operating states?; (b) who at CSX would be the person that
would negotiate for CSX with Goodyear on tire purchase and (c)service
"after the sale", if any, topics;

(2) Is there any studies that CSX did/does and/or that they rely upon
for working in the heat and protection of its MofW workers;

(3) What is the CSX policy (if there is one) on working conditions
(regarding heat exposure) it will allow its MofW workers to be exposed
to?

If anyone has this knowledge, I would prefer to use my email to receive
this information at sgordon@gordon-elias.com instead of a response to
this post and I would be extremely grateful to anyone that can shed
some light on these issues. You obviously do not need to give your name
to me. Thank you all for what you do.

Steve Gordon
http://www.Gordon-Elias.com

Name: jsmith
E-mail: 
Employed as: Engine repair, for 1-10 years
Posted: 29 June 2009

A supervisor at the engine house in Waycross was caught a while back
forging mechanics names on work packets by J.N and S.B, L.D was sent
back to his craft for 30 days and then moved him right back up. LD has
made pipefitters dump engine water on the ground instead of over the
drip pans, RS has emptied ecology tanks on the ground, all that oil
soaking in the ground what a place to work. They should fire all of
them

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 29 June 2009

This woman was either mentally deficient or stoned...she didn't finish
the job, she'll be back!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 29 June 2009

I don't even think M and W do this on their lunch break xD

What is wrong with some people?

Woman on tracks "to clear her mind" struck by train
Posted by Erin Stock June 28, 2009 12:04 PM
Categories: Breaking News
A 22-year-old Birmingham woman broke her leg after a train hit her this
morning on the 2100 block of Morris Avenue, Birmingham police said. 

  
The woman told police she was lying on the tracks "to clear her mind"
when the train approached around 7 a.m., Officer Lawrence Billups said.

The CSX train was moving about 10 mph when it hit her, Billups said.
The train's operator told police he tried to stop.

"The operator saw her and didn't recognize it was a person until he
got up on her," Billups said.

The woman was transported to UAB Hospital.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 29 June 2009

Lloyd

Only 51% of the engineers sent in the ballot vote for the SSA it passed
by 400 votes. The BLET called it a record turnout. I called it pathetic.
People couldn't take 5 minutes out of their life place a single check
mark and mail it. That is pathetic. If anything no matter what a
persons feelings are about unions voting on your contract is essential.
No one has an excuse we had the material in our possension for months to
look over. I'm sure some of those who state they didn't vote for it
actually didn't vote. It's like the national elections when people
bitch about the goverment the first question is "do you vote?" if not
they don't have a right to complain.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 28 June 2009

Hey Lloyd:

For about 3 or 4 months prior to the vote on the SSA we had a pretty
lively discussion on here about it. Although there was a supporter here
and there, mostly young engineers, the vast majority of the comments
were against the SSA.

Frankly, I'm surprised it passed. I thought it was a shitty contract
the first time I read it and I still do.

Likewise with the ground service contract.

In either case I'd be surprised if more than 50% of the membership
actually took the 2 minutes to vote. As for statistics, the only ones
I've seen come from the unions. Both elections were validated by
independent auditors...but how independent can you be when the unions
is paying.

If I recall correctly, in the case of the SSA, the election results
were released prior to the close of voting...now if that doesn't reek
of Pogey, nothing does!

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 28 June 2009

MINNEAPOLIS, Minn. — Six years after a horrific train-car accident that
killed four young adults in Anoka, four new witnesses have emerged. Two
were paid thousands of dollars by an attorney to help the railroad in
its bid to fight a $24 million wrongful-death verdict.
*******************************************************************

The lawyers who paid the bribes and the corporate officers who were in
on it should ALL get sentenced to life in prison.

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 28 June 2009

Freddie, thanks for responding to my comments.  If you have the same
mindset as I though, don't the other union officials feel the same way
about how they rob us blind and nickel and dime us on every single
check?  There needs to be a better system put in place for us to make
our claims and fill out tickets.  This shit we do now looks like it
came out the same time the Oregon Trail did.  It's a damn shame you
can't trust the people you work for to pay you what you are owed.

RRJ and Nomo... Can either of you tell me where the statistics are that
say that new engineers contract was actually over 50 percent yes?  I've
talked to numerous engineers and although some could be denying they
voted yes, not a one has ever told me they voted for that new bid
system.  I think the bullshit flag should have been raised a long time
ago with that one and the fact it hasn't just shows the lack of ball
sack everyone has.  Seriously, when are we all just going to say enough
is enough?  Oh wait I forgot, our economy has gotten so shitty now that
most of us are scared to death to rebel or stand up for ourselves out
of fear of being unemployed.  I guess it will take all of us getting
rammed up the exit chute before we can all stand together.  You guys
have a good one I'm off to go suck down some more brew.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 28 June 2009

Hey RRJ:

I didn't forget about the SSA...but I bet every one who voted for it
would like to forget about it!

What a fiasco that single system agreement is. Neither CSX or the BLEt
put much thought in it. Seems like the only people that thought about
it were the Conrail Engineers.

CSX and the BLEt had the opportunity to frame a really progressive and
ground breaking agreement...they didn't and it's business as usual;
CSX continues to spend unnecessary millions in Labor Relations and
payroll expenses. Truly unfortunate.

Perhaps the membership of both the UTU and BLEt will wake up and
demand their union renegotiate their contracts...there's about as much
a chance of that happening as Tony Ingram getting the boss of the year
award!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 28 June 2009

NoMo

There is a single system agreement sort of for 3/4th of the engineers
on CSX excluding the former Conrail engineers in the Northeast corridor
who were smart enough to not get involved. It has a list of two pages of
claims for both yard and road. That still doesn't prevent CSX from
finding loopholes. This SSA was not close ended it is open ended which
means it is constantly subjected to change. That was firmly spelled out
under the dispute/resolution committees that were formed. That was on
the top of my list of why it should of been voted down. Greed over
pocket change got it passed. I don't have any sympathy for denied
claims for engineers those who voted this in deserve what they got. It
was the younger engineers CSX gave them 100% pay rate it didn't end
progressive pay rates those who entered engine service after the date
of this contract remained in it. A $2500 signing bonus plus the
possibility of a year end bonus if CSX met it's goal. That
productivity bonus is taxed at around 40% it's not considered income.
We have till Sept of this year to stay into the bonus program or opt
out for the national pay rate. Most likely it'll pass to stay in it.
It doesn't matter to me under the new federal regs that limit hours of
service people better think hard because those bonus checks are going to
decline greatly. I'll always hold the higher paying jobs till I retire
in 5 years the change in HOS doesn't matter I don't have big mortgage
payments, credit cards, car payments, or children to raise. People with
15+ years left out here better think about the consequences of a
stagnant wage.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 28 June 2009

Hey RRJ:

It would certainly be in every one's, including CSX's best interest
to have a single system wide agreement covering each craft.

The carrier would save millions of dollars in expenses in
administrating the various agreements. Now I know the current
agreements are the last vestiges of the old L&N, B&O and C&O and the
Brothers and Sisters take great pride in the those flags; but the time
has come to move into the 21st century.

The agreement the IC inked several years ago seems to have worked out
for both parties. It's not perfect but it's a lot better than
anything CSX, UP, NS or BN has. 

The L&N agreement I worked under had two full pages of penalty claims
the ground service personnel could claim, not that CSX would pay them,
nor would the new employees claim them. If I remember correctly, about
half the claims were for road service, the other half for yard service.
In both classes, about half were for pre 85
hires the other half for post 85 hires, a true quagmire. 90% of the
claims could be bought out, benefiting both CSX and the contract
employees.

If CSX took as much time abiding by their contract as they do enforcing
their rule books things would be infinitely better!

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 June 2009

MINNEAPOLIS, Minn. — Six years after a horrific train-car accident that
killed four young adults in Anoka, four new witnesses have emerged. Two
were paid thousands of dollars by an attorney to help the railroad in
its bid to fight a $24 million wrongful-death verdict.

The two paid witnesses were paid $10,000 and $5,000, respectively, in
what a St. Paul attorney representing Burlington Northern Santa Fe
called a "reward" in court documents. Burlington Northern is expected
to ask for a new trial at a hearing today in Washington County District
Court.

Since last June's verdict, attorneys for the victims' families have
asked for $45 million in sanctions against the railroad. With the
stakes higher, the railroad's search for witnesses intensified.

The two unpaid witnesses -- a Coon Rapids police sergeant and his wife
-- weren't recruited by anyone. They contacted Anoka County
authorities after reading about the April hearing in which the
sanctions were requested. Sgt. Kevin Smith said Thursday that he and
his wife, Colleen, have since been ordered to have no contact with
attorneys from either side by Judge Ellen Maas.

Legal experts say they have never heard of a witness -- excluding
experts -- being paid beyond travel expenses and incidentals in
Minnesota court cases. Nor does Burlington Northern Santa Fe, the
defendant in the wrongful-death civil suit brought by the victims'
families, approve of paying witnesses to testify, according to a
company spokesman

When the families of the victims were awarded one of the largest
wrongful-death awards ever in Minnesota, there were no known witnesses
other than the conductor of the train that struck Brian Frazier's car
at 60 miles per hour around 10 p.m. on Sept. 26, 2003.

The families' lawyers said the crossing gate wasn't working properly.
The jury agreed, saying the railroad was 90 percent responsible for the
crash. Then, in April, the attorneys for the victims' families charged
that Burlington Northern destroyed, withheld, misplaced or manufactured
railroad records and asked for the $45 million in sanctions. Maas has
yet to rule on the sanctions.

Burlington Northern's attorneys, hoping for a new trial or appeal,
began scouring for witnesses last year.

"I've advertised for witnesses, but I've never paid them a dime,"
said Ron Meshbesher, who is among Minnesota's most respected attorneys
and has no involvement with this case. "To pay an expert a flat fee is
one thing. But this sounds unethical. I've never heard of anything
like this in Minnesota."

Megan Ricke, the St. Paul lawyer who paid the two witnesses with checks
generated by the Spence Ricke law firm, did not return the Star
Tribune's calls. She prefers not to be interviewed, said Burlington
Northern spokesman Steve Forsberg.

Traveling stipends for witnesses are common, said C. Peter Erlinder, a
William Mitchell College of Law professor. No Minnesota statutes
suggest that paying witnesses is illegal, said Marie Failinger,
associate dean of Hamline University Law School. But not disclosing the
payments of rewards to an opposing legal team could be grounds for
appealing a criminal case, she said. Regardless, "the credibility of
the witness is suspect," she said.

Jason Beringer, 31, a wireless-phone-service salesman from Maplewood,
said on Nov. 25, 2008, in a statement to Ricke in court documents that
he "didn't want to come forward. I didn't want to get voluntarily
involved."

But last fall, his mother found a note on her door, saying Ricke was
interested in talking to him. Ricke and Beringer met at a Perkins in
Bloomington. Beringer said he suggested she offer a reward if she
wanted to attract witnesses. He says she said she had considered
offering $5,000 to the first two witnesses.

"I asked for both" $5,000 payments, "thinking it was unreasonable,"
Beringer told the Star Tribune. "I was surprised she said yes."

"I should have asked for more," he said of the $10,000 he was paid.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 27 June 2009

NoMo

The TM's does approve these claims but he take orders from higher up.
The flavor of the times is get rid of all claims. Do what is necessary.
We were paid these code 75 for years. CSX did everything from literally
removing the yard limit boards which was not very bright timetable
shows where it is to this new one of an old switching limit. Who knows
how many old agreements are still in effect? When the GC agreed with
CSX on this matter we went ballistic. When freight is booming quite a
few trains end up violating outside of the yard limits due to
congestion. I know for a fact the local TM's aren't smart enough to
do this on their own. 

The local unions have a big pitfall nothing is negotiated at the local
level anymore. The LC must deal with those in Jacksonville or their
division headquarters. It's difficult to try and straighten things out
when the person their dealing with has never been to that location. Last
time I was in Jax we spent 6 hours waiting to get 15 minutes with labor
relations. Typical CSX attitude.

Name: Freddie Krueger
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 26 June 2009

Hmm,, hard for me to use your math, since I don't believe there are
95,000 Teamsters in say, North Dakota, Hawaii?  Blow that out to 50
states?   Must be using that CSX math.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 26 June 2009

Name: Freddie Krueger
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 26 June 2009

No supposing about it LLoyd. I am a Sec/Treasurer of a BLET Division.

Your first question or thought is the company acts like a insurance
company, they deny legitimate claims like you say to delay paying them
in order for them to hold on to their money as long as possible.  It
us
blantent and purposeful as far as I can see, and incompetence is built
in as far as payroll, and plan fraud as far as company officials
denying the claims.
So back at ya LLoyd, what should the union do to deal if liars, cheats
and thieve?

I really don't worry about the drippy douche bags in the bushes, I
have developed the attitude to work by the rules, all the time, even
if
no one is watching.  Works great for me.

We will never be able to outspend corporations, but we do need an
organized voice.  Here in Pa we have 95,000 Teamsters that voted in
large numbers along with their families.  The Teamsters worked hard
doing alot of the grunt work here in PA to get Obama elected along
with
others.  It gets results.  Now, if we can get the members to vote in
the
primaries and for the judgeships in such numbers?   Need to work on
__________________________________________________________________-_
___________________________________________________________________-
 HA HA here is the Union man that is not getting it done. 95k teamsters
in the state of PA ---now blow that one out to 50 states. Are we talking
a $1.00 stipend per month??? Guess NOT, You do the math. Always Remember
we need to keep them in CASH, keep on working and let them cut a little
cash from your check each month. OBAMA loves this STUFF

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 26 June 2009

Hey RRJ:

I thought it was up to the Trainmaster that was on duty at the time the
penalty claim was submitted to approve it before it went to payroll for
handling.

I've seen a Trainmaster delete/decline pages of claims off his
computer.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 26 June 2009

As a frustrated VLC for my BLE(T) division when we see violations of
work agreements and it's brought to the railroads attention the first
thing out of their mouths is "put in a claim" knowing damn well it's
going to be turned down. Our frustration is the delay of action our
GCofA takes to correct the situation. The other fact is we do not have
full time LC's to be available 24/7. We fall under a big shadow of
scutiny because one thing we can't do is insubordination. That is a
very serious charge which usually results in dismissal. 

The issue of claim denial has been around forever. It's nothing new.
In fact CSX has even gone to lengths to revise agreements from 40 years
ago to support denial. One in particular on my part of the railroad is
Code 75 going outside assigned territory. CSX found an old switching
lead agreement from when there were locations of industries at one time
that it worked which are no longer there or no longer use the railroads
services. The union had no option but support the railroad because
those agreements and zones had never been amended. It's definitely a
flawed system that needs revamping to get rid of archaic stumbling
blocks.

Name: Freddie Krueger
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 26 June 2009

No supposing about it LLoyd. I am a Sec/Treasurer of a BLET Division.

Your first question or thought is the company acts like a insurance
company, they deny legitimate claims like you say to delay paying them
in order for them to hold on to their money as long as possible.  It us
blantent and purposeful as far as I can see, and incompetence is built
in as far as payroll, and plan fraud as far as company officials
denying the claims.
So back at ya LLoyd, what should the union do to deal if liars, cheats
and thieve?

I really don't worry about the drippy douche bags in the bushes, I
have developed the attitude to work by the rules, all the time, even if
no one is watching.  Works great for me.

We will never be able to outspend corporations, but we do need an
organized voice.  Here in Pa we have 95,000 Teamsters that voted in
large numbers along with their families.  The Teamsters worked hard
doing alot of the grunt work here in PA to get Obama elected along with
others.  It gets results.  Now, if we can get the members to vote in the
primaries and for the judgeships in such numbers?   Need to work on
that.

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 26 June 2009

Freddie, since you are supposedly a union official I've got a couple of
questions for you.  

First of all, why does it have to be so god damn complicated for us to
get paid what we are supposed to get paid?  Isn't it the unions
responsibility to make sure that the system is fair and that we don't
get fucked on our checks for some petty claim that was not input
properly or "looked over" by our payroll dept?  I know that it
doesn't take a brainiac to look into all the details of what we should
get on our trip rates and the mileage we get but don't you think the
system favors the company?  Isn't there an easier way to fill out our
time and make claims so we don't have to worry every time about
whether or not we are getting screwed?  

One other thing, why is it okay for trainmasters to hide in their cars
or behind bushes to e-test or fuck with us whenever they see fit?  I
know there is a fair share of worthless terds out here but that
doesn't mean that these guys should be able to harass everyone. 
Couldn't there be a policy put in place to where if they are testing
us we should be aware they are over our shoulder?  Seems like our union
guys could do something about this policy but they dont.  

Oh, and as far as me or anyone putting any cash in the pockets of state
legislator thats a joke.  We could all throw in 20 dollars a pop and not
even come close to what CSX or any carrier could.  Money talks but
giving those bastards cash would be like selling my soul to the damn
devil. Our entire government is so corrupt anymore I wouldn't donate a
penny I found on a sidewalk to those fuckers.  Wouldn't matter though,
they would just give more and win the person in congress over
regardless.  Just my two cents.

Name: Safety Strike
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 30+ years
Posted: 26 June 2009

Call a Safety Strike.  End unsafe ultra-azardous working conditions.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 26 June 2009

I've always been a firm believer that you belong to the union that
holds your contract. BLE for engineers an UTU for trainmen. The UTU-E
is worthless seeing they don't hold the contract as is adding the
letter "T" for trainmen to the BLE it's worthless. Neither action
helps those members they are still under another unions agreements and
contract. This bullschidt of the two unions fighting for domination has
hurt all of us. The UTU has lost a lot of it's membership over the
years due to technology which some was their fault they didn't have to
sell out the second brakemen slot in 1994. They didn't have to agree to
force new hires into engine service. I'm also a firm believer that not
everyone is cut out to be an engineer even though they could be a good
conductor/yard foreman. This mass production line training has created
an envirement that every incident creates a new rule. We went from a
rule book that fit in your back pocket to carrying 10 different ones
that constantly change. We're getting ruled to death literally. How
can a person concentrate when he has to abide by a staggering overload
of rule compliance? On one hand the railroads are on a constant vigal
to monitor BS rule violations while on the other hand threating to cut
jobs off because the work has slowed down to a snails pace. It has
created an unsafe work place.

Name: Freddie Krueger
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 26 June 2009

If you knew how to read and comprehend Jr. you would see that I am a
Union official in my Division.

Name: Hoffa_Jr
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 25 June 2009

Hey Freddie, Just so you know, the Teamsters haven't changed for shit!
Why is Hoffa Jr the Man? They strong-armed the BLE...made them an offer
they couldn't refuse. Face it BUB....the Unions all suck ass- and only
dumbass fuckwads and union officials won't admit it. which one are
you? Have a Safe CSX Day!

Name: Freddie Krueger
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 25 June 2009

Thats my point.  The Teamsters reputation you are talking about is from
when Hoffa Senior died, in the 70;s  I live in today.  Since I am the
Sec/Treas for my division, when we hooked up with the Teamsters, I have
been audited by the Dept of Labor.   The Feds have had their foot up the
Teamsters ass for long that those old days are long gone.

The Teamsters want to help, they know the railroads are going away, and
we know the trucks and warehouse type people aren't going away either. 
Time to think like a progressive, look forward.  Lean on your
Congressman for the Free Choice Act. for starters.

Pry your wallet open abit and help out with your State Legislative PAC.

Name: Sam 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 25 June 2009

RRJ, no no  no.   cant do that. 

 Lookit. The employer puts you in a highly dangerous and hazardous
occupation, then says,

 "watch your ass, boy" 

The Union only watches half your ass - the other half is up for grabs.


That's what everyone is bitching about.  No great thinkers up on Union
Street.  No sireeee.  Not in this neighborhood. 

No one reacts. Its a klunker.   

Sad. Never thought i would see the day the Union would give up. 

We really do need to re-organized the Union from top to bottom.  It is
a 19th century DINOSAUR and needs MAJOR overhauls in every way
imaginable. 

Some say we should burn the old one down, and rebuild another from
scratch - using modern 21st century methods, and not pre Civil War era
methods.  

Without a demand for a VASTLY IMPROVED and VASTLY MORE RESPONSIVE  and
INNOVATIVE UNION , there probably will not be a Union before long. Who
wants to keep paying dues -for what?  Another UAW - AUTO style
meltdown??  

If you take no action, you deserve what you get.  

Everyone really want to sit this one on the sidelines??

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 25 June 2009

Hey Lloyd:

Your point about needing a union should not be taken lightly.

I believe a lot of the problems the Rank and File have are a direct
result of union membership. Management and the unions see each other as
adversaries, not as equal partners.

The agreements the ground service personnel work under, date in many
cases, to the '40s. Times and technologies have changed, the
agreements have changed very little. 

For example, the carriers would like to be able to terminate problem
employees, those who habitually lay off, etc. Under the current
agreements, disciplining these employees may take years before the
carriers can actually terminate them...then the appeals drag on for
another year or so.

It's therefore in the carriers' best interest to have all their
employees "on the threshold". It's an unfortunate fact that a few
bad apples spoils the entire barrel. Until the union can figure out
how to handle the bad apples, everyone will continue to suffer...the
rule book will get fatter and the investigations will continue.

Perhaps if the union and the carrier would negotiate a new CBA. One
suitable for the 21 century, one that meets the needs of both parties
and treats both parties as equals the union shop might be maintained,
if not, it'll be gone in 10 years!

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 25 June 2009

I received info on the new HOS ruling today. It's to long to put it up
as a thread. I would imagine it will be on the web page tomorrow.

One interesting point is a railroad disturbing you during your rest
cycle. If it's not on the web site by tomorrow I'll try to copy the
high lights of the law here.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 25 June 2009

Freddie, do you really think the Teamsters want to help the railroad
guys? Talk about thieves does the name Hoffa ring a bell?

Name: Freddie Krueger
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 25 June 2009

I joined the BLET not for the cheaper dues, but I was tired of sending
money to the UTU hierarchy who are cowards and thieves as evident by
the number of them gaining senority in prison.

I myself would wish the BLET would use the resources of the Teamsters
more.

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 25 June 2009

If the companies treated their employees fairly and gave them a second
chance when they screwed up I don't think we would necessarily need
unions.  Truth of the matter is though we wouldn't get paid fair
wages, people would get fired for everything under the sun, and the
company would get away with even more than it does now.  The gripe is
the same with most CSX employees though, our unions don't do nearly
enough to make things better for the guys out here.  They preach all
day about how they spend our money wisely and now they have a safety
team but how much do the big dogs in the UTU and BLE really care about
us?  You know retiree when you pay for something every month you expect
to get what you pay for right?  Well I don't think many of us feel like
we are getting our money's worth.  I thank God for having healthy
children and most of my family illness free.  I think I'll pass on
being thankful for working for these assholes.  Things can always be
worse but things could also be a hell of a lot better.

Name: Retiree
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 30+ years
Posted: 25 June 2009

Unions - Unions - Unions
Take a look at the Automobile Industry
It doesn't matter where you work.
You are the employee and you work for an employer.
You are probably making more money than you could make any where else.
And you probably have better benefits than most of the people in
America. Wake and and give thanks!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 25 June 2009

Give it a break. The last round of BS that plagued this website was
enough. If you feel that strongly take action quit preaching. I don't
see any evidence of a new union. Your not the first to come on here
with these thoughts and most likely you won't be the last. You must be
bored to want to rekindle a dead horse. In all probability the present
unions will still be here after your gone. If any union in the
forseable future is to diminish it'll be the UTU. They opened up
Pandora's Box with allowing dual seniority most are joining the BLET
simply for the fact they will be in engine service eventually. I know
that statement will create arguements from the UTU diehards but the
numbers don't lie.

Name: Sam 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 25 June 2009

Better to have Swiss Cheese and fart than to have chronic diarreha
24/7/365. 

The old Unions are crap.  We need something better. 

You and others say the old Unions are crap.  They suck. 

But you dont want a new, better organized, better represented union. 

What, exactly,  do you want to see and how would you go about doing it?

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 24 June 2009

Theres a lot of holes in that swiss cheese, Sam. It also makes a big
fart after awhile.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 24 June 2009

Oh Oh!!! Here we go again. We don't need one union. We need to make the
ones we have accountable. We need to remind them they work for us.
Something that has been forgotten.

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 24 June 2009

A new union would solve all our problems. 

And man, do we have a bus load of problems. Do we ever. 

One Man, One Union. One Union would be able to consolidate resources,
pool capital, strengthen bargaining powers, and generally effect an
overall improvement in the standard of living for the Railroad Worker. 


My suggestion to increase membership participation, would be to have
daily union meetings - open door, 24/7 and 365 days a year. Even a
telephone in a UNION SAFETY & MEDICAL/1ST AID OFFICE would be better
than nothing. Every member would have a Hot Line to report and FRA
safety violation - anonymously. I know a number of law firms who would
underwrite and support this nationwide in the blink of an eye.

Railroads don't have nearly enough money to make all improvements
needed and necessary.  Congress needs to act and appropriate to the
nations railroads a significant capital investment in order to meet
existing needs and to improve the quality of our transportation
infrastructure for future generations.  A new Union would facilitate
that possibility.    

Members pay for a service - representation. A local Union Safety Office
would be easily and readibly available anywhere, anytime, but especially
in hazardous areas (e.g. Selkirk).    

Elect a Local, County, Regional, State and National slate of
candidates. Elect, AT LARGE, a State and Regional Oversite Committee.
Establish an Office of Arbritration.    

One Member, One Union. United we Stand, Divided we Fall.  ONE UNION. 

hello Zorro.  Expect to hear from you.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 24 June 2009

does anybody know when/if csx is going to call people back for the new
laws taking affect next month?

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 24 June 2009

The D.C. Metro is suppose to have some form of Positive Train
Control...based on this tragedy, I guess it's not all it's cracked up
to be.

Maybe the FRA needs to revisit PTC and one man crews!

     http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31495088/ns/us_news-life/

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 24 June 2009

NoMo

Goob will never be part of the solution it's not in his nature. He's
been doing this routine for years on this site. Mabey his father or
grandfather worked for the railroad that would give him some knowledge
like any foamer. I don't think he ever worked for one. He's to bitter
an annoying. Might of been some physical or charector defect that kept
him off the railroad. We'll just put up with his BS it's like an
annoying itch that you can't scratch. Every site has to have a pet
unfortunately we got Goober.

Name: /Safety Strike
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 20-30 years
Posted: 23 June 2009

Too many railroad accidents!  Safety Strike now! Make the general public
AWARE!.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 23 June 2009

Hey Goober:

Shut up...your an idiot...when was the last time you were on a train?

Oh, by the way, don't think posting anonymously makes any
difference...your comments give you away...you worked from 1963 thru
1970 on the old L&N up in Kentucky/Indiana...you've been gone for 39
years...so what makes you think you know about today's railroad!

Put your money where you mouth is or shut the fuck up! You're 70+ and
still telling everyone how it was in 1970...most of the people you're
talking to weren't even born in '70. 

You don't have the slightest idea how much trash I'd take off a
motor...so you chime in and make yourself look stupid...why would you
do that?

You come on here once or twice a week pontificating about every post
you don't agree with, I've have news for you...nobody cares! It's
you right...everybody that agrees with Goober, sign in...everyone that
disagrees with goober sign in.

Guys like you are part of the problem, grow up and be part of the
solution!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 23 June 2009

Keg is telling the truth. I know the engineer hes talking about.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 23 June 2009

2/ 55 gallon trash bag's BS. Engineer takes an hour to clean the
consist??? BS. Engineer with a cleaning grip to secure a clean spot,
very credible, most likely a few of those are out there every day
working semi germ free. NOMO is getting a little carried away. 1 bag ok
he is the nice guy-- buy into that a little. Clean the trailing units,
are you kidding,,,, just BS. Wash the windows, yes I have done that
many times, but only the front windows on both sides and my side
windows. Most trips no one washed anything, no one was the sweeper, and
the toilet was never a problem, we had none.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 23 June 2009

After all of the flack. I think old JET just might be the real thing.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 23 June 2009

That's all opinions on your part, which has nothing to do with a seat
breaking. How would you know the man wasn't injured? Are you a Doctor,
mind reader or on the train with him when the incident occurred?

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 23 June 2009

FYI

Gettle was a HotRod and never did follow the rules. It was know by SRF
Scruppa and his Road Foremen but for some reason nothing was done on
ConRail or CSX.  Gettle is taking the Con Rail Lotto (now CSX)on his
way out for a Retirement Bonus. The present employees will take it on
the chin for his reckless behavior and fake lawsuit.

110% Rule Compliance

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 23 June 2009

It is absolute without doubt in my mind that there is 1 too many Apes
around here.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 23 June 2009

APE 10-20

Don't insult someone who you aren't worthy to even shine their shoes.
Show some respect. I see your parents failed raising you. Most likely
your parents were another product of the no spanking generation.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 10-20 years
Posted: 22 June 2009

Obviously, you didn't have to have an education either. I guess
everything equaled out.

Name: JET
E-mail: Jetcherokee@yahoo.com
Employed as: Brakeman, for 30+ years
Posted: 22 June 2009

To whom this may concern:I worked for the railroad over forty(40 yrs.) I
worked as crew caller, fireman and enginer some times in engine service,
I tranfered to brakeman a few yrs. later and worked as yard conductor,
road brakeman,I started for the B&O Railroad in 1953 and I also worked
for the Tennessee Railroad back in 1944 as crew caller,o.k.last but
lease, The CSXhad the railroad when I Retired in Aug. 1993, let me tell
you this, when the CSX had taken over, yes it was a new ball game, The
CSX wasn"t a railroad co., they was more for Export and import, well
I"ll shut up now, may have said to much, all tho I don"t think so.
Thank you. Sincerely:Jet.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 22 June 2009

HaHaHa!!! The guy beating on the door with the mallet looks like Tony
Ingram with that bad hair piece. I finally seen a picture of Tony in
the Florence Division news letter with all his money he could afford a
better toupee that one looked like it made out of rat hides.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 21 June 2009

Wow that was bad. I feel bad for the folks in the car.

But this quote struck me funny.

"Witnesses told the Rockford Register-Star that cars on the
Chicago-bound train began hydroplaning in standing water as it
approached the crossing."

Sure they do xD

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 21 June 2009

Rack one up for the CN:

   http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31458249/ns/us_news-life/

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 21 June 2009

This video is what the first Christians had to endure.

Reminds me how CSX treats their workers and families.

Guess who is sitting up high with what should be a rose colored looking
glass?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEunONfXGHI&feature=response_watch

Name: Ted
E-mail: tedwere@yahoo.com
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 21 June 2009

Greetings Folks.

I want to mention that "Black Friday" was covered by the Albany, NY
TV media and specifically cited Jared Boehlke's death at the Selkirk
Yard on Mother's Day.

I recorded much of the coverage for Heather, Jared's widow, who tipped
us off to the event.

She asked me to convey to you all how meaningful and heartwarming it
was to see so many participating in the display of concern,
rememberance and brotherhood. 

Hers is truly not a mission of some sort of reimbursement or
retribution with the loss of her husband. It is a mission to raise
awareness of safety issues so that others may not have to suffer the
loss that she has.

Many Thanks, and be safe out there,

Ted

(Jared's brother-in-law)

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 June 2009

NoMo

I've known a few engineers that went up and beyond while cleaning the
cab. One even cleans every cab in the consist. He wipes everything
down, crew packs are neatly placed, water bottles in the cooler are
perfectly stacked, windows are spotless ect...it's a pleasure getting
on board one of his locomotives even if it's the 4th one out of the
consist. CSX doesn't even supply brooms anymore to sweep them out.
When I was on the safety committee local management was on the war path
over filthy locomotives requiring each inbound crew to remove their
trash not a difficult request but there were those who refused which
they had a point. CSX refused to supply garbage cans or dumpsters at
crew change points wanting crews to carry their trash around till one
was available. I brought up that there were enough trains in a 24 hour
period that a solution would be creating a laborer slot to service
locomotives. Needless to say that was shot down real quick. To this day
there still isn't any dumpsters to deposit trash some people carry the
bags others toss it along the right of way.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 June 2009

been there

I wasn't judging Brother Gettle. I just made a comment on verbage used
by lawyers. I've been on a few rough roads one subdivision in
particular that CSX lowered to 25 mph if you ran 40 mph it was smooth
anything under the verticle motion was annoying. CSX didn't want to
replace the rail and tyes since then they leased it to a short line.
CSX under the lease has the right to run trains which at least 8-10 run
over there a day. Injuries happen on the railroad that's a fact of the
job. I'm glad he got his job back even when he failed to report the
injury in the proper time frame. Back/spinal injuries are one of the
worst types in my advanced age with 2 back injuries in my career I'm
starting to feel it. CSX attitude of firing people or using
intimidation methods for injuries hopefully has stopped under the new
FRA regs. It's a game that has been played for along time under the
Clinton administration intimidation stopped then Bush reversed
everything and it became even harsher to file an injury claim. How many
went unreported? I sure the stats would double.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 21 June 2009

Well now that all the June 19Th shifts are over...how did the
participation in "Black Friday" go?

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 21 June 2009

Hey RRJ:

Talking about filthy cabs, on the opposite end of the spectrum, we had
an Engineer, now retired that would make Mr. Clean look like a slob.

He carried a bag of cleaning supplies, including but not limited to,
a break-down broom, dust pan, Lysol, Windex, dusting rags, zip lock
bags, etc. Every time we stopped he would start cleaning. He would go
as far as climbing on the hood to do the windshield...that had to be a
sight to see for the on-comings. He would leave a cup on the throttle
stand for his relief with an arrangement of moist towelettes, lens
wipes, hand cleaner, etc...just like a motel.
I'm sure the M&M and PD boys appreciated it.

The only thing he wouldn't clean was the head. I guess he figured if
he never used it, he didn't need to clean it...that was what the zip
locks were for!

Name: benn there
E-mail: kdjfkajf
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 20 June 2009

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 19 June 2009

Don't you just love the way lawyers use words. In the case of George
Gettle the seat alone was enough. I think alot of us have been on
locomotive seats that collapsed or had to endure seats that we
couldn't adjust higher/lower broken seat backs because some moron
wanted to ride like they were in their pimp mobile ect...I thought the
terms excessive and violent lateral motion and vibration was hitting
the top. It's a railroad. The seats on locomotives have improved
significantly over the past 30 years. If we could only get people to
respect the property and not act like little children and destroy it.
You sit down some clown felt the arm rest was something to wittle on
with their knife or burn holes that look intentional. I'd like to
find
the fools who shove garbage in between the desk console and the
sidewall. Let's not forget the stickers plastered all over the
console
if I want Jesus on board I'll buy a plastic magnetic one. It's real
simple treat it as your own which it is while it's in your consist


Brother Gettle is on disability currently.  He is will never return to
running an engine.  

CSX has known that this style of seat is a problem.  There  is a safety
circular from several years ago addressing this.  Now we can all say the
seats have come a long way but it is the carriers obligation to provide
a safe work environment.  Do you think that Mr. Gettle was provided a
safe work environment when CSX knew that there was a problem with this
seat?  Please answer this

 Mr. Gettle was dismissed from CSX for 'late" reporting of an injury
and later received justice from the honorable neutral Jackie Zimmerman
and re instated.  Lateral motion caused the pin to fall out of the seat
and the seat to drop several inches with his full weight on such.  I
hope you never have to see the same road that Mr. Gettle did!

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 20 June 2009

Hey RRJ:

I would catch an interchange from the UP out of Gentilly, which
originated on the West Coast...two weeks worth of trash and grime.

It got so bad I had to clean the Motor before we departed. I would
literally get two 55 gallon trash bags off the lead. I can't even
begin to guess how many crew changes there were between Los
Angeles/Long Beach and New Orleans, at least 10. It would take anywhere
between 45 minutes and a hour and a half to clean up...great overtime
move.

I always made sure the Motor was clean and our trash taken off.
Like I said, it's just a common courtesy...whether you were raised
in a tar paper shack or in The Hamptons.

Name: homer
E-mail: CSX investigates
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 20 June 2009

How about the Dewitt Yard, NY as another murder scene for a fellow CSX
employee?   Done in by a RCO. Bad !  Boo !

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 20 June 2009

Lloyd & NoMo

The list is extensive on the conditions we find locomtives which have
been left by pigs. Let's not forget water bottles on consoles with
tobacco spit, cigarette butts an ashes on floor and console, used hand
wipes, snotty toilet paper, food crumbs ect...I've gotten to the point
I wipe everything down with Clorox towels. A lot of people were never
properly toilet trained like you stated it's disgusting. Lately some
clown has been clogging the toilets on road power with paper towels
seeing they come from the west it's someone out of Clifton Forge or
Hinton. I'd say Clifton Forge because they have a fueling pad on the
main and a laborer usually but not always checks and cleans the
locomotives. The railroad isn't responsible for this childish
behavior. It creates a hazardous envirement with the stench. 

I don't care if people have a hard on for CSX. This has nothing to do
with CSX it's disrespect for their fellow employees. We are the ones
who have to endour these conditions.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 20 June 2009

Memorial day for rail workers 
"Black Shirt Friday" meant to commemorate those killed on the job  
  
http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=811838&category=BUSINESS

First published in print: Friday, June 19, 2009 
 
Prompted by the recent death of railroad conductor Jared Boehlke at the
CSX Selkirk yard, Railroad Workers United plans "Black Shirt Friday"
today to commemorate all rail personnel killed on the job.

    
Boehlke's death on May 10 brought the national death toll this year to
12. Despite a 25 percent decline in rail traffic, the rate of employee
deaths has been on the rise, according to the Federal Railroad
Administration. 

Boehlke, 33, was hit by a train while coupling cars. He belonged to a
railroad family; his father and brother are conductors and his uncle is
a retired engineer. 

To mark the event, Railroad Workers United is asking its members across
the U.S. to wear black shirts as a show of solidarity. Black Shirt
Friday will also "protest the deteriorating situation" in safety
measures, according to the railroad workers news release.

The union wants to have the Friday before Father's Day declared
"Railroad Workers Memorial Day" by the railroad community. 

-- Juliette Price

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 20 June 2009

The ultimate one you forgot to mention RRJ are the seats people decide
to take the arm rests off of.  Now if that doesn't make for an
extremely uncomfortable ride I dont know what does.  Add to that you
have guys who shit on the tops of a lot of toilets and those who tear
the seat adjusters off.  Makes you wonder if trainmasters sometimes
sneak in there and do it because I dont know any man in his right mind
who would want to make the ride any less comfortable than it already
is.  I really don't mind the graffiti and stickers so much as it
sometimes provides about 5 to 10 minutes of pure entertainment.  Or you
have to love the marked off letters above the stairs that always leave a
different message than what is supposed to be there.  People sure can be
creative.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 20 June 2009

Hey RRJ:

Unfortunately, most people have little regard for others property...
unless they pay for it, it becomes expendable. If you don't believe me
just ask someone who has rental property.

On CSX, because of the low morale, the problem becomes magnified. The
employees don't like their employer so why worry about reporting an
unsafe seat, etc...not that CSX cares or would fix it. 

Ultimately it comes down to courtesy, if not for CSX, for your fellow
employees. It's like shittin' in your own bed...sooner or later
you'll be back in it!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 19 June 2009

Don't you just love the way lawyers use words. In the case of George
Gettle the seat alone was enough. I think alot of us have been on
locomotive seats that collapsed or had to endure seats that we
couldn't adjust higher/lower broken seat backs because some moron
wanted to ride like they were in their pimp mobile ect...I thought the
terms excessive and violent lateral motion and vibration was hitting
the top. It's a railroad. The seats on locomotives have improved
significantly over the past 30 years. If we could only get people to
respect the property and not act like little children and destroy it.
You sit down some clown felt the arm rest was something to wittle on
with their knife or burn holes that look intentional. I'd like to find
the fools who shove garbage in between the desk console and the
sidewall. Let's not forget the stickers plastered all over the console
if I want Jesus on board I'll buy a plastic magnetic one. It's real
simple treat it as your own which it is while it's in your consist.

Name: Goober
E-mail: csx sucks too much
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 19 June 2009

Fonda, NY is a murder scene. CSX is the killer. That's the fact.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 19 June 2009

Railroad engineer claims spinal injuries in suit against CSX

http://www.stclairrecord.com/news/219617-railroad-engineer-claims-spinal-injuries-in-suit-against-csx

6/18/2009 8:21 AM
By Kelly Holleran

A former CSX Transportation employee says he sustained severe spinal
injuries after the seat on which he was riding collapsed.

George M. Gettle filed a lawsuit June 9 in St. Clair County Circuit
Court against CSX Transportation.

Gettle says he was working for the company as a locomotive engineer on
June 15, 2007, where he was assigned to run a train into the Rose Lake
Yard in East St. Louis.

As he was driving the locomotive engine CSX 7615, Gettle's seat
suddenly and without warning collapsed, causing Gettle to drop,
according to the complaint.

"At the time and place aforesaid, the Plaintiff, George M. Gettle,
sustained injuries to his spine and its related structures which were
caused, in whole or in part, by the aforesaid occurrence," the suit
states.

Gettle says his spinal injuries also occurred because of his work for
the railroad for the past 20 years.

Because of his injuries, Gettle suffered great pain and disability,
mental anguish and extreme nervousness and lost large sums of money
from his usual gainful occupation, according to the complaint. He has
also sustained an impaired earning capacity, incurred medical costs and
lost a normal life, the suit states.

CSX negligently failed to provide Gettle with a safe work place; failed
to provide safe conditions, safe methods or safe equipment for work;
failed to adequately maintain its tracks; failed to equip its
locomotives with ergonomically safe seats; failed to warn Gettle of the
ergonomic risks of his job and failed to alter the work environment, the
complaint says.

It also violated the Locomotive Inspection Act by failing to provide
Gettle with locomotives whose appurtenances were in proper and safe
condition, by requiring Gettle to work on locomotives that were
defective and that would vibrate excessively and by requiring Gettle to
work on locomotives where he was subject to excessive and violent
lateral motion, Gettle says.

In addition, CSX violated the Federal Employers' Liability Act and the
code of federal regulations, according to the complaint.

In the five-count suit, Gettle is seeking a judgment of more than
$250,000, plus costs.

Ryan Brennan of The Brennan Law Firm in Belleville will be representing
him.

St. Clair County Circuit Court case number: 09-L-300.

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 19 June 2009

Hell, even if you are going to just do it for Jerod, wear black.  We
need to get everyone involved.  Post notes in crew rooms, let the guy
you are working with know, hell let PTI or whoever your driver is know.
 If you don't have any black, hit your local walmart up and buy
something for 5 bucks.  I'll be wearing it thats for damn sure.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 19 June 2009

Sunday June 19Th is Father's Day which the RWU has suggested be a day
of remembrance and solidarity for the fallen Brothers and Sisters.

I haven't heard much about it the last week or two on this site,
however, I hope it's been a matter of discussion in the crew rooms
and local meetings. Although a silent protest, a high level of
participation will get the carriers and unions attention and I can
assure you that local management has been instructed to keep a tally
of how many wear black.

It's actions that count...paint it black!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 18 June 2009

Girl, 17, charged in Md. hobo camp stabbing
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

CUMBERLAND, Md. -- A 17-year-old girl from Washington state has been
charged as an adult with attempted murder in the stabbing of a man at a
hobo camp in Maryland.

Police said Wednesday that Jessika Brown, of Arlington, Wash., stabbed
22-year-old Jimmy Lee Blank, of Tacoma, Wash., nine times in the
abdomen during a drunken altercation near the CSX railroad tracks in
Cumberland Tuesday night.

A hospital spokeswoman for the Western Maryland Health System refused
to release Blank's condition.

Investigators say Brown and Blank had traveled to Cumberland from
Chicago by hopping trains.

Police say that after the stabbing, a 19-year-old hobo from Iselin
(IHZ-lin), N.J., helped Brown flag down a motorist to get Blank to the
emergency room.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 17 June 2009

NoMo

You are exactly right. It will be a rare sight to see anyone who has 10
years seniority if this bullschidt isn't stopped. When Ingram ran the
NS it was the same they fired people on a regular basis. I remember
talking to a NS crew about 10 years ago that ran a preferred local the
oldest man had 4 years on the railroad. Everyone on CSX knows where the
problem is that includes officials whose hands are tied. No one does a
darn thing about it. The unions sit with thumbs up their arses while we
have to endour an archaic work atmosphere. These people have no guts
years ago we would have shut this place down. Those days are long gone.
In 5 years I'll be long gone. Unfortunately at this point it still
seems like an eternity. Railroading at one time was one of the best
jobs in this country it still has the best retirement if someone
starting their career makes it that far.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 17 June 2009

Lloyd

I don't know where you work at my location no one is going for an
early quit. In fact the yard I'm working in (temporary holdings for
summer vacations) the yard foremen have at least 28 years or more on
the railroad. These guys are slugs. In fact the TM's threaten to cut
off yard assignments everyday because their slugs. Butted heads with a
yard foreman the other night because I ran out of time under the HOS (I
doubled over on another job because the engineers boards are cut slim)
and he had to finish the work. He was mad he had to get out of the
shack. We had a shouting match on the lead he thought we tried to screw
him. I had a 23 year old yard foreman with 2 1/2 years out here that
I'd work with everyday if he could hold more than the extra board.
I've been a roadman for 95% of my career this BS in the yards has got
to stop. With micro-management all you have to do is let the TM's
direct the moves it creates work and job security. The days of early
quits have been gone for awhile OT is there if a person is ambitious. I
wish these yard slugs would go out on the road to see that life out
there sucks. They'ld appreciate how good they have it.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 17 June 2009

Hey C Smith:

Here is the FRA website:

             http://www.fra.dot.gov/us/home

You can call them and they can give you the name of an Inspector
in Georgia. They will probably just transfer you to an Administrative
Assistant there to take you complaint.

We have all heard the FRA is going to crack down on this type of
behavior...I'll believe when I see it!

You mentioned you suffered an injury that required surgery, you didn't
mention how or it happened. You also said there was a second injury, but
you didn't say what it was. Did you report the injuries to the
Trainmaster when they occurred? Or, did you wait?

I'm afraid there are other issues here which we are not aware of...

Be that as it may, if the second injury was reportable and CSX didn't
report it, I hope it bites them in the ass.

Good luck and let us know what the FRA says!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 17 June 2009

This may also help Mr.Smith


http://www.trainlawblog.com/2009/02/federal-railroad-safety-act-1/frsas-sharp-teeth-starting-to-bite-railroads/


http://www.osha.gov/dep/oia/whistleblower/acts/frsa.html


http://railroadworkersunited.org/sites/rwu.prometheuslabor.com/files/CSX%20Harrassment%20FRA%20Report.pdf

Name: csmith
E-mail: 
Employed as: Engine repair, for 1-10 years
Posted: 17 June 2009

does anyone have a phone number of an FRA AGENT in Georiga,  I had an
injury requiring surgery, and was told at my investigation during a
break, that if I only reported one injury, the plant manager would have
a talk with me when I got back to work, making me think I would keep my
job, but they fired me anyway. They only reported one injury and showed
the second injury as non reportable

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 17 June 2009

Yeah Nomo you are right but don't you think all this firing and
furloughing is eventually going to bite CSX right in the ass? 
Eventually its going to get to the point where no one does anything
extra for this company out of fear for their job and everyone will
start moving like slugs.  If you don't feel like the company you work
for ever does you any favors or is looking out for you then you sure as
hell aren't going to do them any.  There will come a point in time
whether its 2 years from now or 10 when all this nonsense will come
back to haunt the railroads.  I think there are plenty of guys out here
who still bust their ass to get an early quit but that will all stop
soon enough.  I feel like we all get treated like elementary school
kids out here and its pathetic.  Two hands on the hand rails...look
both ways before you cross the street, use the buddy system to take
your bags off, and the list goes on.  I cant wait till it all comes to
a halt.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 17 June 2009

RRJ isn't the only "old head" who feels that way...they all do, it's
like fighting City Hall and the carriers know it and are banking on it.

Future employment will be like a revolving door once the last protected
employees are gone...before you're in, you're back on the street, it
has already begun. Just take a look around...not withstanding the
furloughs, how many qualified 5-10 year employees
have been fired over the last couple of years over bullshit charges?

In 5 years a man with 10 years of service will be a rarity, which will
be good for the carriers and unions alike!

Name: 
E-mail: mikewardisgay@gmail.com
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 16 June 2009

i understand what RRJ is saying.
There isnt much that can be done till people ABOVE the local level are
changed or voted out. Most of them have their pockets open and the
carrier is filling them up or tossing them a bone.
Till those people are replaced with real union leaders that actually
give a damn about their members, the cycle continues.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 16 June 2009

Lloyd

I'm throwing in the towel because the same 3 BLET General Chairmen
have been reelected. It'll be more of nothing. We have a great LC.
He's been on the railroad about 14 years. Everything he has
accomplished has never been backed by the GC even though an arbitrator
or labor relations has ruled in our favor. Jobs that were taken away
against the agreements the GC has failed to take the necessary action
to get them back. These jobs would get cut back engineers marked up and
bring back furloughed trainmen. These GC's are spread out so thin with
28 divisions it pits each against the other like the former C&O and
L&N. Unfortunately our GC came off the L&N.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 16 June 2009

I am so glad working in an environment now where someones hard work
ethic is appreciated.  I left this crap hole this past year.  CSX can
honestly go to hell. UTU and the BLE can follow them...:0)  I honestly
felt while I was there that I did a serious crime and I was assigned
community service, but just got paid for it.  But of course, I worked
in the Baltimore Terminal.  From what I here, I heard other
trainmasters around the system (even the REDI Center) threatens
employees who do something wrong that they will send them to Baltimore
if they do something else wrong.  LMAOOOO  HAVE A SAFE CSX DAY!!!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 16 June 2009

BLET and UTU to FRA: Ban one-man crews
Last week, the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and Trainmen (BLET)
and United Transportation Union (UTU) jointly filed a petition with
the
Federal Railroad Administration (FRA) seeking an emergency order to
prohibit one-person crews, including workers involved in conventional
and remote-control yard switching operations.XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Amazing,,, the unions are awake, might be a little tooooo late, however
they are really earning their money???? NOT

A (1) person train crew job would be the worst job that a person could
ever have.

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 16 June 2009

Come on guys, you all don't really believe this guy is a trainmaster do
you?  I'm all for making trainmasters look bad but whoever is posing
just needs to let it go.  If you are a trainmaster then I'm Old John
Henry.  If by chance you really are a TM, well I'd love to hear where
you work and what shift puss bag.  

This whole BLE and UTU agreement on the one man remote operations is
great.  Its just sad a man had to die before our union finally came to
the conclusion this practice was unsafe.  This action should also bring
back at least 15 to 20 members from every terminal who are furloughed or
possibly more.  Throw in that and the new FRA rules coming in July and a
lot of guys could get back to work soon.  

To RRJ from another post/
Throwing in the towel with less than five is not the kind of attitude
I'll have when I get there but to each their own.  I'm sure being
your age you have seen more change than a lot of the guys who are
working now will ever see.  Problem is though, you can't just give up
if you know things aren't right.  We will continue to get harassed
until we all stand as one or someone finally snaps and does something
horrible to one of these trainmasters.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 16 June 2009

This one's for you Harr Trainmastter

http://www.progressiverailroading.com/news/article.asp?id=20647

BLET and UTU to FRA: Ban one-man crews
Last week, the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and Trainmen (BLET)
and United Transportation Union (UTU) jointly filed a petition with the
Federal Railroad Administration (FRA) seeking an emergency order to
prohibit one-person crews, including workers involved in conventional
and remote-control yard switching operations.

Although collective bargaining agreements require at least one
conductor on each train start, there are no federal safety regulations
prohibiting one-person crews in yard or road operations, the unions
claim.

"The evidence shows that no conditions exist where a lone engineer or
remote control operations are safe," BLET and UTU officials said in
the petition.

The unions point to a May 10 accident at CSX Transportation’s Selkirk,
N.Y., yard as an example. The incident resulted in the death of a
UTU-represented conductor, who was working alone and using a
remote-control device, according to the BLET and UTU.

"The workload associated with [remote-control operations], while
performing other safety critical tasks, demands too much of a single
individual, including loss of situational awareness," union officials
said in the petition.

The BLET and UTU also question the FRA’s conclusions that the safety
records of remote-control and conventional operations essentially are
the same.

“It is time for the FRA to take a proactive safety stance, and not
merely a band-aid reactive approach to this issue,” union officials
said in the petition.

Name: Just out of training
E-mail: BaddA$$MoFoMastah@csx.net
Employed as: Train Master/ supervisor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 16 June 2009

Wow. all you guys got is bad spelling as a comback?

Hay guys why don't you stop worring about my spelling and worry about
those extra inches your womens been looking for all these years.

Summer time is coming and its time to have those BBQs  Why don't you
invite me over and we will get to know each other. While Im there I'll
give those extra inches to your womens she been missing all these
years.

When God made me he told me I had two choices. You can be a master at
word smithing or you can have a big male member.

I asked, "Well what will open up doors for success?"

He said, well having good grammar and spelling will certainly get you
thru the door. But if your grammar sucks and also your spelling, and
they try to shut the door, you can block it open with your big dick.


Oh buy the way, when I come over tell your wife to wear those tight
short shorts :)


Have a safe day

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 15 June 2009

BNSF is Buffet's pick.    Cramer did not pick CSX but said all railroad
stocks were a buy.   I thought he liked BNSF.  Cramer and Ward are
Havard Business Grads.   So they are best buddies I would bet.

CSX is too risky when you can buy the others.    CSX has too much legal
problems and poor management decsions.   Look for the bottom to fall out
one day. It is almost at the bottom now with all the Bottom guys who
manage this sorry outfit.   

CSX is just a buy and sell gamble.  


Morgan Stanley must have bought way to much CSX and wants the price to
go up so they can Bail out.   SUCKERS BEWARE.  Buying CSX is like
buying Hitler's company stock.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 15 June 2009

Alright trainmaster if that is a real post and your such a bad ass whats
your name.

Name: slack action
E-mail: 
Employed as: M of W, for 10-20 years
Posted: 15 June 2009

You do not know the difference between and spike puller and a pud
puller...And make sure your new lap top has a spell checker, it is  
Turd!!!  Always did like a newbie TM.  It does not take much to make
them look like an IDIOT...You better have a good back up plan after you
get fired !!!!  Can you say  " Welcome K Mart shoppers"

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 15 June 2009

Hey boss you should not be worrying about us workers and practicing your
lip lock on your superiors becouse you will learn thats is how it works.
So you make sure when you come to work to bring your ppe  ( bib and knee
pads )

Name: Just out of training
E-mail: BaddA$$MoFoMastah@csx.net
Employed as: Train Master/ supervisor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 15 June 2009

Im a new trainmaster fresh out of training. Im 26 years old and got this
job at a job semminar at my Commuity College. If any of you give me any
shit you will help me make a name for myself. They taught me well and I
know exactly what to do. I have a very big spoon over my shoulder the
size of a spike puller. If you people hide or ignore me I will start
sturring this spoon till someone or ones rise to the top of the tird
pool. I will test you. If you don't like it I will fire your ass!

Oh ya,

If I see anyone wearing BLACK or if you are Black on June 19th YOU ARE
FIRED!

Have a safe day :)

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 14 June 2009

I tell you what.  I am so glad I have left this place..:0)  CSX is
horrible.  Their management needs to realize "The way you treat your
people is the type of work ethic you will get in return"!!!  Then the
low life union (other wise known as the UTU) took close to $400.00 out
of my vacation paycheck this week!!!!  And what the hell have they done
for me in the last 6 months besides tell me what they are trained to say
(they can do that, they can do that, they can do that, they can do
that,etc...over and over again)??  HELL, WHAT THE F DID THEY DO FOR ME
MY WHOLE 4 year CAREER???  Both the BLET and UTU are in the companies
left hand pocket!!!  That place is the biggest joke.  So I can not wait
to see what they take out of my second vacation paycheck for
6/19/09-6/27/09 but I will definitely keep you up to date on just how
much our (more like yours now) unions are low lives (UTU & BLE).  I
have said it before and I will say it again (like my mother said), That
place is for prison inmates who just got out of prison and looking for a
career!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  For you old guys and mid-career guys (and
gals), I understand, your putting in your time to get your pention. 
Most importantly, you started when this place was a GREAT place to work
at.  But you new guys??  What the hell are you thinking about?? 
Honestly??  This place is TTTHHHEEEEE biggest joke.  And what more
proof do you need when this site was sued by CSX and went to court and
this site/owner WON???  HHHEEELLLOOOOOOO????????  When you work for a
place that has a web site that goes in depth about how bad it is, then
that web site gets sued by the company, AND THEN THE WEB SITE WINS??? 
What more proof do you need that you are working for/in a bad
environment??  But I had a guy who worked in my terminal who was SHOT
(YES, GUN, SHOT) twice and out of service.  I thought you had to pass a
background check to get into this job??  Criminal background check at
that.  Again, that place was a joke and I could go on and on and on...I
just want to say, I made some great friendships at CSX among my
so-called brothers and sisters (BLT & UTU, just not the the reps
BECAUSE I WAS SMART).  And I hope the best for all of you
non-management people.  For you management people, I work M-F, make
just as much as you do, and you know where you can go.  Oh, by the way,
I do not get called at 2:00a.m. for a derailment caused by another
idiotic, inner-city kid by my a manager (Superintendant in your case)
and I do not get called period when I leave the office..LMAOOOO
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  And I am working M-F, do not get called by an
ignorant caller who my 7 year old's IQ is higher than, etc. (Again, ON
AND ON AND ON AND ON)...LMAO When it comes to CSX callers and
management, lets face it, it doesn't take much!!!LMAOOOOOO  By all
means, I am not bragging (just to CSX LOW LIFE MANAGEMENT)..  Good luck
to you older guys.  This is one (and an on-going) hell of a transition
you must be going through from your earlier years. For you younger
guys, get out while you can.  Realize the schooling/$4800 was a waste
and move on to another career.  I am now working for the gov't and I
am going to the aviation school of maintenance.  I plan on being a
mechanic in the aviation industry and having my engineering degree
within two years (80 credits to go)....:0)  Good luck and god
bless..:0)

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 13 June 2009

I wonder why Morgan Stanley would say that?

Call anyone of them and they all will tell the same thing...it's a
great buy...think they might have a few million shares to sell? 

Analyst Coverage

Firm Analyst Phone
 
ARGUS RESEARCH CORP. PAUL  KLEINSCHMIDT 212-425-7500 

BARCLAYS CAPITAL GARY  CHASE 212-526-5752
 
BAS-MERRILL LYNCH & CO. KEN  HOEXTER 212-449-6786 

BB&T CAPITAL MARKETS JOHN L. BARNES 804-787-8231 

BMO CAPITAL MARKETS RANDY  COUSINS 416-359-6194 

CITI INVESTMENT RESEARCH  MATTHEW TROY 212-816-9051 

CREDIT SUISSE CHRISTOPHER CERASO 212 538 4529 

DAHLMAN ROSE & CO. JASON SEIDL 212-702-4507
 
DEUTSCHE BANK SECURITIES, INC. MARCELO CHOI 212-250-527
 
GOLDMAN, SACHS & CO. DAVID FEINBERG 212-855-9847
 
J.P. MORGAN THOMAS R. WADEWITZ 212-622-6461
 
LONGBOW RESEARCH LEE A. KLASKOW 216-525-8460
 
MORGAN KEEGAN & COMPANY, INC. ART W. HATFIELD 901-579-4868 

MORGAN STANLEY & CO. WILLIAM  GREENE 212-761-8017
 
RBC CAPITAL MARKETS WALTER SPRACKLIN 416-842-7877 

STIFEL, NICOLAUS & CO., INC. JOHN G. LARKIN 443 224 1315 

UBS INVESTMENT RESEARCH RICK  PATERSON 212-713-7944
 
WALL STREET STRATEGIES DAVID SILVER 212-622-7504
 
WOLFE RESEARCH LLC EDWARD M. WOLFE 646-845-0770

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 13 June 2009

CSX Corp(CSX Quote): Morgan Stanley believes it is the best value among
railroad stocks.

Name: Marcus Cor Von
E-mail: marcus@gov.ab.ca
Employed as: Yard Master, for 30+ years
Posted: 12 June 2009

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Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 11 June 2009

Hey Safety Strike:

The pubic sees it for what it is...just one of a long list of
prestigious awards presented to him by his peers as touted by the PR
Department. For the most part the public has no idea how the RR works
or what is necessary to make the RR work.

They never hear about the fatalities, injuries, harassment and
intimidation the employees are subjected to, again thanks to the PR
Department. The only thing they know is the inconvenience of being
caught at a crossing.

Frankly, the public doesn't care either...until the goods and services
they expect are interrupted!

Name: Safety Strike
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 11 June 2009

Giving a lifetime achievement award to MIKE WARD,
is like giving ADOLF HITLER a sportmanship trophy for Auschwitz.

The public sees it for what it is - a complete and total FARCE.  

Meanwhile, the killing and maiming of railroad workers goes on. 

Ward should get a gigantic trophy for unsafe working conditions,
employee deaths and injuries - and wear it around his neck.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 11 June 2009

Major railroads announced more furloughs of employees in recent days as
they try to decide between getting rid of workers completely or keeping
them on retainer in hope the economy will improve soon.  

CSX Transportation announced recently it is furloughing 27 shop workers
at Corbin, Ky.

BNSF Railway last week furloughed 100 mechanical department employees
at its Alliance, Neb., shop. 

CSX gave the Corbin shop workers no idea when they might be called back
because the railroad’s management is uncertain how long it will take for
shipping demand to pick up. They were given assurances of four months of
health benefits.

CSX has furloughed 2,400 employees and put 30,000 rail cars in storage
in roughly the past year.

Some railroads – like Union Pacific – have furloughed about 10 percent
of their workforce in a belief they need to be ready when demand for
rail shipments picks up as soon as this year.

Others – like BNSF Railway – have laid off a greater percentage of
their workforce amid economic predictions the current recession is
likely to last a long time. About 7.8 percent of BNSF’s workers are
furloughed.

A furlough means workers retain their benefits and sometimes a small
part of their salaries while they wait to be called back to full-time
work. A layoff means they lose their benefits, their salaries and their
jobs.

Furloughs can be expensive for railroads but give them an opportunity
to call back their experienced workers for a quick rebound from
economic downturn. Union Pacific expects to spend about $50 million on
furloughs this year. 

At the same time, the railroad expects to avoid a slow response to
economic recovery, which hurt its business after the recovery from the
dot-com bust of 2000.

Layoffs cut the railroads’ expenses even more, but mean they must hire
new employees when business improves, retrain them and risk losing
business to other railroads that can fill demand more quickly.

BNSF officials said their Alliance shop workers would be called back
when demand for rail improves but they gave no indication when it would
occur.

They blamed a decrease in coal shipments as a big part of the reason
for the furloughs. About 1,600 BNSF employees still work at Alliance.

The most recent rail volume reports gave no indication that an economic
turnaround would occur soon. For the week ending May 16, the amount of
freight carried by railroads reached its lowest level so far for 2009,
according to the Association of American Railroads.

Total ton-miles of carload and intermodal freight carried by U.S.
railroads dropped to 26.2 billion, down 24.3 percent from the same time
last year.

Economists are split on how to interpret the weekly results. Some
suggest it shows the freight rail market has bottomed out. Others say
the dismal reports on freight volume will continue for awhile.

A National Association for Business Economics study released last week
showed that more than 90 percent of economists say the recession is
likely to end this year. 

Economists surveyed for the study predicted unemployment would average
9.1 percent for this year, which would be the highest rate in the past
quarter century. The 2008 unemployment rate averaged 5.8 percent.

“While the overall tone remains soft, there are emerging signs that the
economy is stabilizing,” said National Association for Business
Economics President Chris Varvares. “The economic recovery is likely to
be considerably more moderate than those typically experienced following
steep declines.”

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 11 June 2009

"The finalists were chosen by an independent panel business, academic
and community leaders"...

Those are all his golf, drinking and whoring buddies...the good old boy
network at it best!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: CSX Customer, for N/A
Posted: 11 June 2009

“I see the award as recognition of the efforts of our more than 30,000
employees who work to make CSX a safe, customer-focused company that
delivers the essential goods we need,” Ward said in an e-mailed
message
to the Times-Union. “Our employees are rightfully proud of our
transformation, but none of us is satisfied. We want to be better
every
day, creating jobs and encouraging community growth and development.”

We really just want all the money we can get from our customers and
steal from the employees.     

Hitler Management tactics could have ruled the world but instead they
are adopted on CSX in modern day times.


This AWARD must be phony baloney.

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 11 June 2009

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im done.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 11 June 2009

Jacksonville CEO wins statewide lifetime achievement award
Two others compete for entrepreneur of year
By Kevin Turner 

A Jacksonville CEO has earned a state lifetime achievement award and
two others are finalists as the state’s entrepreneur of the year,
according to global financial advisory company Ernst & Young LLP.

CSX Corp. Chairman, President and CEO Michael J. Ward was honored with
the 2009 lifetime achievement award, which he will receive in a
ceremony in Orlando on Thursday. 
“I see the award as recognition of the efforts of our more than 30,000
employees who work to make CSX a safe, customer-focused company that
delivers the essential goods we need,” Ward said in an e-mailed message
to the Times-Union. “Our employees are rightfully proud of our
transformation, but none of us is satisfied. We want to be better every
day, creating jobs and encouraging community growth and development.”

David A. Smith, chairman and CEO of PSS World Medical, was named a
state finalist in the distribution and manufacturing category and
Charles C. Appleby, chairman and CEO of Advanced Disposal Services, was
named a finalist in the real estate and construction category for Ernst
& Young’s Entrepreneur Of The Year award for Florida. The two finalists
are in a field of 24 state finalists, which was narrowed from an initial
group of more than 100 nominations, according to Ernst & Young.

The finalists were chosen by an independent panel business, academic
and community leaders, according to an Ernst & Young release. The state
winners will go on to compete against winners from other states for the
title of national Ernst & Young Entrepreneur Of The Year award winner
Nov. 14 in Palm Springs, Calif.

The 23-year-old award honors the most outstanding entrepreneurs based
on their vision, leadership and achievement, according to the Ernst &
Young Web site.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 10 June 2009

uMM, what is a "live long day?"

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 10 June 2009

CSX is a $5 whore that I wouldn't pay 10 cents to fuck. Well, maybe I
would if I could fuck them like they've fucked me. I want my $4,500
back!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 10 June 2009

To RRJ this is former cond 1 - 10

What I would do was handle engines to and from the roundhouse. I had a
mother and slug and would take care of shopped engines, stall outs on
the hump and move any rail equipment that might be around.  But yeah i
was on the huntington division for 9 and a half years and got lucky
enough to find another job. Just tired of the game, another fun fact
for you guys the company I working for now, a telephone company, uses
the same TECS program CSX uses, and guess what everything is
autogenerated, I've only worked a week, but the guys tell me if its my
turn for call out overtime and I get overlooked, or the company cant
wait our hour and half call time 4 hours pay is payed like clock work,
they say the only thing you have to claim is training and and personal
expences.  I mean its the same damn program just different menu
options. I never thought about that while at CSX but thats something
the union should really push for, I mean what could they say, those
claims are in the contract.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 10 June 2009

Cond 1-10

The railroad denying claims is just part of the game. Hopefully you had
forward them to your LC for handling. Everything else is a game. A
conductor looking at the engineer before getting off the locomotive
asking for three step in my opinion is sufficient, but not to
management. Were you a one man remote? Things get more assinine out
here everyday. One engineer got 20 days for getting off an unsecured
locomotive and train while the outbound crew was waiting on the ground
to board. CSX response of action required that outbound engineer can
still be on the ground but he must have his hand on the grab iron which
is their eyes means he has control. It's just harrassment. It's gotten
out of control.

Every incident at CSX means a new rule. The other day we were told
getting off the locomotive you can not have your grip on your shoulder
you must use the buddy system. Apparently someone fell because his grip
got caught on something. Everytime someone stubs their toe a new rule is
added.

Name: Steve Gordon
E-mail: sgordon@gordon-elias.com
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 09 June 2009

Dear Safety Strike-

I agree with EVERYTHING you said.

-------------------
Dear APE-

I took the liberty of posting your most important post here:
http://www.yardlimits.com/forums/ask-attorney-steve-gordon-gordon-elias-law-firm/13276-railroad-workers-united-june-19th.html#post123340

Our firm will be joining you all.
-------------------

Dear Just one more law firm searching for business????

I would ask that you not generalize please.

Steve

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 09 June 2009

Con 1-10

I hope you follow through with leaving because of this incident and I
hope to God you report it to the ethics committee.  You honestly think
these assholes can legitimately fail you for not giving yourself 3-step
over the radio?  You should make sure if you are going to really quit to
get the most out of it too.  I'd make sure I punched that trainmaster
right in the throat and at least de-rail some equipment before I left. 
You gotta make em pay if you are really going to quit.  This crap
doesn't surprise me at all though.  This kind of thing is common
anymore and wont get any better.  These bastards down in Huntington set
up a stick man one time around a turn where a 17,000 ton coal train was
coming just to see if the engineer could stop at half the distance!! 
I'm pretty sure guys could go on and on with the dumb shit these pansy
ass trainmasters do and I'd love to hear more.  It's just a shame
everytime something like this happens we don't get it on a tape
recorder or video.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 09 June 2009

Here's a good one.  I work an RCO superjob, mainly moving engines for
outbound and inbound trains. Now when I tie engines together I give
myself 3 step every time on my box, but I don't say anything over the
radio because its just me. To weeks ago a trainmaster pulled up and
asked why I'm not announcing 3 step, I said "Announcing to who,
myself"? He asked me if I had watched this months safety video, I said
no, he said before you leave today come upstairs and watch it. So I
finish my work, watch my video and go home.  A week later I get a
certified letter with a major rule violation, obtaining 3 step
protection, take it to a board, then of course loose, now I'm on a 10
day suspension.

I'm leaving the railroad because of this, I've been denied claims and
E test failed for petty things but I'll not stand for this, dreading
work everyday is no way to make a living and theres no way I'm doing
it for 25 more years. Guys if you can get out then get out I already
feel better.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 09 June 2009

Name: SAFETY STRIKE
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 08 June 2009

Just one more law firm searching for business????

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 09 June 2009

<<<The FRA letter said in part, "If a culture exists whereby workers
feel
they are put in situations where they are making poor decisions for
fear
of losing their jobs, we must work together to change this culture.
The
elimination of fatalities, injuries, and accidents depends upon
it.">>>

You've got to be shitting me.  The FRA knows full well this culture
exists on the railroad and has forever.  Let's give them another 20
years to study it.  Absolutely incredible they say this sort of thing. 
Unbelievable.  I don't want to work with you FRA, you are part of the
problem!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 09 June 2009

Rail Workers Group Calls for Day of Action June 19th
In response to an alarming escalation of employee fatalities on the
nation's railroads, Railroad Workers United, a grouping of concerned
rail workers across the country, is calling for all railroaders to wear
a black shirt to work on Friday, June 19th to "remember the dead and
fight for the living." 

June 7, 2009 (FPRC) -- With the death of Railroad Conductor Jared
Boehlke on Mother's Day, May 10, the number of fatalities on the
nation's railroads surged to a record pace for the year 2009. In all,
twelve rail workers have been killed on the job so far this year.

At the end of March, the Federal Railroad Administration (FRA) issued
an appeal to all railroad organizations and employees for help in
stemming this disastrous record.

The FRA letter said in part, "If a culture exists whereby workers feel
they are put in situations where they are making poor decisions for fear
of losing their jobs, we must work together to change this culture. The
elimination of fatalities, injuries, and accidents depends upon it."

Railroad Workers United (RWU), a cross craft, inter-union caucus of
rail workers agrees with the FRA that something must be done to change
the current situation. For over a year now, RWU has actively campaigned
for a safety approach that would put eliminating hazards first and
foremost on the safety agenda for the nation’s railroads.
Unfortunately, the rail carriers have continued to emphasize worker
behavior over hazard elimination. As a result, the carriers tend to
downplay, overlook, or ignore altogether the problems and hazards that
are created by management practices. Job cutbacks, job combination, and
massive layoffs have left too many rail employees working without the
extra support and assistance needed in
places like dangerous classification yards where Jared Boehlke met his
death.

Railroad Workers United is asking its members and supporters across the
U.S. -- and all rail workers that hear this call -- to wear a black
shirt on Friday, June 19, the Friday of Father's Day weekend. RWU
hopes that this relatively modest action will play a role in putting to
en end any “culture” as the FRA described it where "workers feel they
are put in situations where they are making poor decisions for fear of
losing their jobs."

Furthermore, RWU urges all of rail labor to consider officially
demarcating Father's Day Friday in the future, “Railroad Workers
Memorial Day”, a day when all rail workers remember our brothers and
sisters who have lost their lives working in the unforgiving railroad
environment


For more information contact Ron Kaminkow of Railroad Workers United
(http://railroadworkersunited.org)
608-358-5771 

Keywords: Railroads

You can read this press release online at:
http://www.free-press-release-center.info/pr00000000000000044138.html

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 09 June 2009

I think Binheer is a Brit...look at his spelling of labor, the only
place he has been is at the pub too long...his foam is showing!

Name: SAFETY STRIKE
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 08 June 2009

Steve, 

To answer your specific question, I would not select a law firm based
solely on whether that firm is Union designated, or not Union
designated. 

First and foremost, I would interview a lawyer to see is he or she has
had TRIAL EXPERIENCE - and plenty of actual trial experience - someone
who is FEARLESS, EXPERIENCED, AND PREPARED for ANY exigent
circumstance.   

ALSO, any firm that settles the vast majority of its cases out of court
and without a trial is VERY suspect in my book - settling the vast
majority of cases out of court without trial - particularly death cases
and asbestos/lung disease/brain cancer cases - to me raises  red flags
in that the firm is most likely a push-over for the Railroads, and
probably has very little trial experience - and most likely the injured
worker is not going to get the monetary award level, future medical
care, or job rehabilitation benefits  that he or she should be getting.
Getting the fast buck becomes the goal, rather than properly and
adequately representing the client. 

Firms that post big awards are are also suspect - it is a marketing
gimmick to lasso clients - in my book these firms are suspect from the
get go. I know a lot of FELA lawyers who got big jury verdict awards
for railroaders, and are still waiting a decade later for any money.
You can be a genius at winning a jury award - and toot your horn, but
then loose on appeal due to a simple jury instruction - or otherwise
fail to bring home a fair and justifiable settlement within a
reasonable time period.

More to the point, lawyers - union authorized or otherwise - are a
necessary evil in the perpetually unsafe working conditions that are
perpetuated on the railroad - they get money to help ease the pain, but
don't do much to stop the existence of the unsafe condition that caused
the injury in the first place. The railroader gets injured, the
railroader gets money, the lawyer gets a cut of the settlement, and the
Railroad continues on its merry, unsafe, way.  (The case in point are
the thousands of cancer cases settled by CSX related to toxic chemical
exposure - its cheaper to kill us than to make us safe....) 

What we need are VAST improvements in working conditions, and
SUBSTANTIVE changes in accounting principles when it comes to balance
sheet classification of "labor".  Funny how Congress can pay billions
in bonuses to crooked Wall Street Bankers, but spend NOT A PENNY on 
railroad infrastructure to improve workplace safety. Apparently, it is
cheaper to kill and maim us, than it is to make make the environment
safer for us to work in. It's cheaper to kill or maim us because we
are "costs" on the company balance sheet.  If railroad workers were
classified under accounting rules as "assets" on the balance sheet
instead of "costs",  it would be very different when it came to
spending money on improving the working conditions. It's easy to "pay
off"  a broken down "costly" worker, and replace him or her with
another inherently un-valuable "costly" worker, but it would be
corporate heresy to recklessly destroy or injure a worker if that
worker was accounted for as a million dollar "asset".
Not too much of a philosophical gap to overcome, except for hundreds of
years of Machiavellian management that has kept safety progress in the
workplace almost non-existent, which of course results in the stunting
of economic achievement, and the significant strangulation of
productivity along with a broken down quality of life.  
 

FELA lawyers are the best equipped and most intelligent people around
when it comes to knowledge about unsafe and unhealthy workplace
conditions on the railroads - they read the thousands of cases, know
the complex laws, understand the safety problems, and know the business
of politics within the administrative, judicial and legislative branches
of government. However, you rarely if ever see FELA union (or non-union)
lawyers take the Bully Pulpit and raise holy hell with Congress, or
lobby intensely for billions in capital funding to improve railroad
working conditions. No one is willing to take the bull by the horns.
Everyone is content to sit back and make money on the status quo of
unsafe railroad working conditions. Why rock the boat?    

Don't get me wrong.  Without FELA lawyers, railroaders would be at the
mercy of the carriers - the slaughter would be gruesome and grim. 

However, regardless of who the FELA firm is, no amount of money will
bring back a dead railroader, or give back the quality of life of an
injured railroader, or assauge the grief of the family whose father was
killed by reckless railroad management decisions and unsafe  working
conditions. 

I just happen to believe that the present system of compensating
injured railroad workers simply perpetuates the very root of the cause
of injuries - unsafe working conditions - from which FELA lawyers - and
Company lawyers for that matter -  make a whole lot of money.....and,
therein lies the problem......too many people making too much money off
a broken down system that does nothing to make the desparately needed
improvements in our presently unsafe and unhealthy working conditions.


Steve, it is not a simple answer to your question of who railroaders
like to pick as a lawyer - in the bigger picture, we are more concerned
with having a safe working environment - basically, we really do NOT 
like being killed and injured in the first place.

Thanks for your interest in posting on this Board.

Name: Steve Gordon
E-mail: sgordon@gordon-elias.com
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 08 June 2009

Dear Been Here too Long-

What did you say?

Steve

Name: Binheer2long
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 08 June 2009

Steve--If you are not on a retainer or are somehow otherwise rescued
from representing labour employees, you should contact the CSX Legal
Department for your bailout money. I will be quick to question your
legaleeze prater and your real motive for posting heer2long. I used to
post heer but was not able to relate to the Boolian Algebra in using
truth tables define computer charachatures.

Name: Steve Gordon
E-mail: sgordon@gordon-elias.com
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 08 June 2009

Dear All- Thank you for the honest responses. I will tell you that we
work VERY hard and since there are only two lawyers in our "boutique"
law firm you've always got a named partner on your case (LOL!).
Seriously, I was hoping to get the responses I received. I think the
concept of unions, on paper, are a necessary thing. Lord knows the
company has your back alright...to stick a knife in it. So, Unions are
a necessary evil...sort of like lawyers! I must say whatever tune we
had to sing to get designated was the wrong one we chose. I swear I 
thought that (1) getting excellent results; (2) making sure the
railroader was only treated by Board Certified physicians; (3)
advancing money interest free [where ethically permitted to do so so
the client could pay their bills]; (4) giving the client the lawyer's
cell phone in case they NEED to talk to their lawyer; (5) never
settling more than one case ata time instead of "group case
settlements" and (6) busting the railroad's ass with a
'take-no-prisoner' mentality and approach would have been enough to
get our name in the hat. BUT I WAS WRONG!

So...here we are...not able to just call someone up when they are hurt
but having to wait till they call us. Please do not get me wrong, we
have good business. But I just needed to know that we had a fighting
chance in the minds' of railroaders without the designation.

Thanks again!

Name: Ed 
E-mail: edward.oliver@gmail.com
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for 1-10 years
Posted: 08 June 2009

Union Pacific is the same way.  Make a profit above all else.

Name: fedup
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 08 June 2009

Mr Gordon,
     I recently had an on the job injury and I chose not to go with a
designated union lawyer. I weighed my options and done my research and
I chose an attorney that has a reputation of going to court and pushing
my agenda. While my case is ongoing, Im happy with the direction he has
directed me. As for the union designated attorneys, hell no, that
throws nothing but red flags at me. Why would I want a law firm
associated with our non-doing, backstabbing unions? If your firm would
have, and Im not saying it doesn't, had a good history with fela cases
and awards, I would have called you, instead I chose an attorney that
has a reputation of hard-balling the carriers. I hope I chose right,
we'll see.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 07 June 2009

The question I'd be asking myself is if I need a lawyer. I've had two
injuries on the railroad in 1980 and 2000. In 1980 I used a union
designated FELA law firm it took over 2 years to settle an I definitely
wasn't satisfied with the results. It was a lower back injury being
knocked off a car by slack action plus the railroads failure to provide
prompt medical attention. In that case over the 2 years I was first
assigned to a letter head attorney by the end it was the lowest ranking
junior associate. The injury in 2000 I went with settling with the
railroad on my own and was very satisfied with the results. It was an
upper back injury with a defective handbrake an once again the
railroads failure to provide prompt medical attention. In the latter
case it took 3 weeks to settle after going back to work. It took 2
weeks of haggling it out with a claims agent for lost wages, medical
expenses, and pain and suffering. If I wouldn't of got the results I
wanted my option for hiring a FELA law firm was still open. I feel we
should shop around to get the results we are seeking. Just because
it's a union designated FELA firm it may not be the best.

Name: Steve Gordon
E-mail: sgordon@gordon-elias.com
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 07 June 2009

Dear All-

I have a question and since this is about as anonymous a place to post
as one can get in the railroad industry, I thought I would ask here so
here goes. As you probably are aware, our firm
http//www.gordon-elias.com is not Union Designated. That is, we do FELA
work but we were unable to do whatever the heck was necessary to get
anointed by a Union Designation from the "higher-ups". You can see
and hear my explanation at
http://www.gordon-elias.com/CM/Custom/Unions.asp as to what happened.
Here is my question: If you were hurt, would you consider hiring a
"non-union designated" FELA law firm? If not, why not and if so, why
so?

The courtesy of a straight answer would be GREATLY appreciated and
thank you.

Steve Gordon

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 07 June 2009

The most pissed off person I have ever seen is a GC that had to go back
in the seat. I've seen two dethroned in my time. One back to the seat
and another who went straight into management. They are always shown as
being reelected by acclamation. Without support of the men in the locals
and strong LC's, they will continue to put the useless ones back in
office. This is why it is critical to get the young guys involved in
union meetings. A good network between all LC's under a particular GC.
The LC's have to police the GC's. In return the membership polices the
LC's. If they aren't doing their job, replace them. Why let 5 or 6 out
of each local control your future. It all begins with us. Evey issue
will not be agreed to by all, but when GC's allow shitty contracts,
give up a persons rite to lay off, don't insist on timely and proper
claim handling, it is a good indication they aren't handling any of
the business they were elected to do. As I have said before we elect
the LC's who in turn elect the GC's. If you can't get local
participation of members, to insure the LC's are voting as the
majority of the members want, things continue as usual with only a few
people controlling YOUR union. 

Alright, I'm getting off the safety section with this topic, since I
have now replied to it. I read all sections, so if there is a reply
PLEASE put it where it belongs.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 07 June 2009

LE

Don Moates was reelected GC fo the BLET Western Lines. Pathetic it'll
be more of the same.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 06 June 2009

LE & old rr guy

Hope the venting did you some good? None these new hires want to hear
we went through the same thing that's going on today. 

The SSA was voted in by giving those still under the progressive pay
rate 100% an a chump change signing bomus. Which didn't end those
going into engine service are still at 85%. None looked at the long
term consequences of a frozen daily pay rate. Today a trainmen makes
more than an engineer per day with their 17% raise. Those pre-94
trainmen still get productivity pay or a retirement account of $6500 a
year. Their margin of monetary disperity between their members is
definitely unequal. 

I'm just as frustrated as the both of you. If things go according to
plans I'll be out of here in 2011. Three years earlier than my
retirement age. It's not geared for us anymore. Those hired over the
past 6 years haven't lost anything because their working under the
same system that's in effect. CSX will be hurting once this recession
ends. They'll waste a lot of time and money rehiring and retraining
because unlike the UP who is taking steps to assure they aren't short
handed CSX doesn't care. 

I just spent 42 hours 12 hrs going down 18 hrs in the hotel 12 hrs back
on a 72 mile run. Just checked my standings I'm first out. This new
management hasn't a clue. 16 months ago same run it was a great
subdivision to work on a bad round trip was 20 hours. 

CSX new slogan "How tomorrow moves". We want to know what about
today. That slogan suggest procrastination. Which is rampant out here.

Name: SAM
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 05 June 2009

STEVEN GORDON - THANK YOU (!) FOR THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. VERY
HELPFUL IN UNDERSTANDING FELA CASE LAW.

Name: old rr guy
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 05 June 2009

Haa.I gotta say. I do not beleive that most of the posters on here
actually work for the railroad.
On second thought some of the whining does sound vaguely familiar.
Example#1: "I can't believe they laid me off after only four
months."  C'Mon this guy can't be serious. I was laid off more than
I worked the first three years I was employed by Conrail. Then, as now
there was a huge recession on . No cars were being bought,steel mills
were closing up thus no steel was being made, etc, etc.Thousands of
cars and engines stored.Thousands laid off.
 Its a freight railroad. If the freight is down , theres no work. It is
not a mystery or someome playing a game with your life. No one put a gun
to your head to sign up. Get used to the lousy hours, and sporadic work,
you will be living it with no seniority.Otherwise, hang it up and do
something else.They are not going to treat you like anything other than
an hourly employee. You will not like some of the people you work with.
Sorry to rain on your parade. Its a business , not a jobs program.Feel
bad for the guys in Buffalo where I started. I am surprised they
didn't close down most of the Frontier operation a lot sooner, after
the 99 split with NS

Name: beep beep
E-mail: 
Employed as: Car repair, for 30+ years
Posted: 05 June 2009

Train Slams Into Tractor-Trailer, Derailing Cars
Wednesday,  June 3, 2009 3:40 PM
Updated: Thursday,  June 4, 2009 6:06 PM

WORTHINGTON, Ohio — A portion of state Route 161 west of Worthington
reopened late Wednesday after a train collided with a tractor-trailer,
knocking some of the train's cars of the railroad tracks.

The crash occurred shortly before 3:30 p.m. near the corner of S.R. 161
and Linworth Road, 10TV's Brittany Westbrook reported.

A tractor-trailer was stopped on the railroad tracks as the train was
approaching and the rig had nowhere to go before the collision.


Kevin Koloff heard the crash and said one of the derailed cars stopped
just short of where he was standing.

"I went to go look through the fence and see what the noise was and
this car was coming right at me and I took off running," Koloff said.

"A train cannot stop on a dime and the truck was on the track and the
train hit the trailer of the truck, causing about three cars to derail
of the 37-car train," said Worthington fire Chief Scott Highley.

Jim Himes, who works at Capitol Copy near the site of the crash, said
he sees cars on the tracks all the time, Westbrook reported.

"Cars pull across right on top of the tracks when traffic is backed up
to the red light," Himes said. "They're in a big hurry and think the
train's not coming."

The driver of the tractor-trailer was not injured.

"Fortunately it hit the trailer section of the truck, had it hit the
cab the outcome would not have been good," Highley said.

The train, which was traveling from Columbus to Toledo, was not
carrying hazardous cargo, authorities said.

Watch 10TV News an

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 04 June 2009

I just gave up.  With 3 years to go until retirement, I'm throwing in
the towel.  We (our union) just re-elected Finnamore as General
chairman of the Northern Lines here on CSX.  After countless union
meetings, countless hours of listening to the bickering, countless
hours of hearing there's going to be a change, and believing there was
actually going to be a change, I give up.

I attended the informational union meeting where Finnamore and Paul
Sorrow advanced the Single System Agreement.  Very basic answers to
questions put forth by union members could not be answered other than
"they will be submitted to the "disputes resolution commitee."  We
signed this contract with what I have been told by a 51% turnout of
union members vote.  Pathetic.  I detest thinking that these union
officers are in the companys pocket, but what else am I left to
believe?

I've been a proud union memeber for most of my life.  I know what a
good union can do when it has the support and turnout of the rank and
file and the upper echelon behind it.  There's too much apathy in the
union members in todays world.  It looks to me like everyone is out for
themselves in the "Me, I Come First" world today.  My local does an
excellent job, but is handcuffed by those in the general commitee
level.

I'm an older man these days and the fight is gone out of me.  I'm
ashamed to say that, but that is how I'm feeling.  I will feel guilty
of throwing in the towel when I have three years left to fight, but
I'm getting old and tiring of believing these men are working on our
behalf.  I can't buy that anymore.  I'm taking the easy way out and
saying "three more years, I will survive that.

Too the young men with years and years to go.  Get your collective
asses to union meetings.  Five or six members attending union meetings
is not enough.  You are young enough to advance real change to see
results in your lifetime.  Read up on how our union forefathers fought
and died for the union cause.  There will come a point in time when it
will have to be fought all over again, just not in my lifetime.

If ever there was just cause for a safety strike the time is now. 
It's hard to fathom why there has not been one as of yet.  The timing
doesn't matter.  A point has to be made, over and over again to get
that point across if need be.  The carriers need to realize you mean
business.

I give up now knowing I've done and put forth tremendous energy for
the unions.  It's time to enjoy the benefits, what is left of them,
from a lifetime of believing and working towards making a better life
for us.  How many of you young men and women will feel that way in the
final days of your careers?

Flame away.

Name: Steve Gordon
E-mail: sgordon@gordon-elias.com
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 04 June 2009

Dear Sam, Z, Safety Strike and All Others That Are Interested-

I apologize for not responding sooner. I posted the Press Release and
just checked back just now [0018HRS---06/04/09]. 

Anyway, I would like to point out that it was not our firm that handled
any part of this case. I think that the underlying firm did an admirable
job to get a $5  million dollar JURY award. I have only had one in my
professional career and I can tell you they are very hard to get no
matter what the damages. So, in that sense, they are to be commended. 

I was not at the trial and I am only speaking from conjecture. However,
having said that, I would like to point out some basic trial "truths"
that go through a trial lawyer's wacked out brain.

It is hard enough to get a verdict that is sizeable, you kind of want
to do everything you can at the trial level to hold on to it when it is
appealed. The general consensus on the modus operandi of the railroads
are that, anytime you get a sizeable verdict, they will appeal. Hence,
protecting your trial record is an all important process ever-present
in the back of a trial lawyer's brain during the entire process
including, but certainly not limited to, (1)juror selection, (2)medical
causation issues [usually dealing with the famous Daubert case, and its
progeny, at the federal level], (3)the sufficiency of evidence to
support the individual elements of damages, (4)the sufficiency of
liability evidence and, (5)as in the CSX v. Hensley case, the wording
of the charge. 

Obviously, CSX prepared the "genuine and serious" instruction and the
Plaintiff's counsel argued against it. Sometimes, just to protect your
verdict, you will actually let the defendant's proposed instruction go
to the jury. This is when you truly believe you've got the jury and
there is almost no instruction that will persuade them not to go with
you. This is only a call that the trial lawyer can make. The general
rule is to try to submit a "plaintiff's favorable" charge and the
defense submits their "defendant's favorable" charge and the Court
makes up its mind after hearing argument of counsel [and maybe, if
you're lucky, actually reading the law]. 

The CSX lawyers read Ayers as "requiring" the extra instruction, I
could easily see how the Plaintiff's lawyer could have been worried
that its inclusion could have been an obstacle for the jury to award
big damages. It was a call he/she made and they won...at least till it
got to the Supreme Court level.

From reading the CSX v. Hensley case, Hensley had asbestosis from a
long term exposure from working on the railroad. A reading of the Ayers
opinion reveals:

“Norfolk presented the question whether a plaintiff who has asbestosis
but not cancer can recover damages for fear of cancer under the FELA
with-out proof of physical manifestations of the claimed emotional
distress. Our answer is yes, with an important reservation. We affirm
only the qualification of an asbestosis sufferer to seek compensation
for fear of cancer as an element of his asbestosis-related pain and
suffering damages. It is incumbent upon such a complainant, however, to
prove that his alleged fear is genuine and serious.” Norfolk v. Ayers,
at 157, 123 S.Ct. 1210

After reading the above, if you had been Hensley's counsel, would you
have vehemently argued for its exclusion? How about if you knew that,
if it was excluded, that you would risk a reversal on appeal....would
you still argue for its exclusion? .......Tough call isn't it?

I can not fault the trial lawyer in this decision. 

I do have one issue that I would like to raise. There are many articles
on the following point and they go either way. There is, I believe, a
consensus of opinion of good trial lawyers that your 'bigger' awards
are usually found with a general damage submission rather than specific
damage questions. I will be more specific so you will understand. In
some instances you can submit to the jury damage questions like this:
"'What sum of money, if paid now in cash, do you award for medical
expenses, loss of wages, loss of earning capacity, physical pain and
suffering, mental anguish, physical impairment, physical
disfigurement'  Answer in Dollars & Cents $__________" 

OR, one could submit it this way: "'What sum of money, if paid now in
cash, do you award for medical expenses $_________, loss of wages and/or
loss of earning capacity $_____________, physical pain and suffering
$__________, mental anguish $___________, physical impairment
$__________, physical disfigurement $________' Answer in Dollars &
Cents."  The latter way permits the trial court, or the appellate
court, to take away one element with out disturbing the remainder of
the award. The Hensley case was a general/broad submission and,
therefore, there was no way for the Supreme Court to determine what
part of the $5 million was attributed to the "fear of cancer" award.
Once, the Supreme Court determined the CSX proffered instruction should
have been given, the ENTIRE case had to be reversed and remanded. This
could have been different. 

Once again, the general belief among trial lawyers that are worth a
damn is that bigger awards are found in the one damge line approach
BUT......when CSX was denied an instruction that arguably should have
been given, don't you think the trial lawyer might have "re-visited"
the one line submission before it went to the jury?

Well, I  do not know if any of the above helps understand this case a
little better. 

I think it was Sam that said something like "Whats the bottom line?"
Here it is: A FELA claimant that seeks 'fear of cancer' monetary
damages needs to put on evidence that his/her fear is 'genuine and
serious' AND submit an 'instruction' worded as such.

I do not believe you have to have psychological/psychiatric testimony
but I know, if I had a client where this was an issue, I would damn
sure make sure the client visited with a a psyche doctor so they could
testify how genuine and serious the fear is.

Ya'll take care out there and be safe.

Steve
http://www.gordon-elias.com

ps-the Hensley opinion can be downloaded at:

http://www.yardlimits.com/forums/legal-news-announcements/12920-csx-v-thursten-hensley-signiificant-u-s-sup-ct-court-fela-decision.html

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 04 June 2009

Hey Con 1-10:

Perhaps if you became proactive rather than reactive and thought about
it, I'm sure you could figure something out.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 04 June 2009

NoMo:

Are there any "young guys" left?  How the fuck are they supposed to
do anything if they're furloughed, genius?

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 04 June 2009

Hey RRJ:

Makes you wish for the days of yore...John Snow and Al Crown...only
common thread left is Mike Ward!

The Unions won't do anything, it'll be up to the membership to take
the lead. We need to stay focused and not get distracted by all the
anonymous bullshit that has appeared since the fatality.

It's also going to be up to the old heads...most of the younger guys
don't have a clue about how the RR or Unions work and won't be much
help.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 04 June 2009

NoMo

Every tragidy has been covered up. I know of two on CSX in the past
year one involving a newhire an a close clearance another a man who
sufficated under a coal pile. The newhire was more afraid of violating
the rule of getting off moving equipment than saving his own life.
These strict policies in effect by none other than Tony Ingram is
becoming life threatening to every employee. To put people in a
position where they are inadaquitely trained then forced to work
industries they might have only seen once or twice is malicious
neglect. I see it all the time out here. Till the unions stand up and
show they've had enough it will continue.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 04 June 2009

Hey RRJ;

Just a diversionary tactic by Corporate to deflect our attention away
from the real issue here...why did Jerod Boehlke die.

Looks as though it is working.

The Banker stepped up...who else is man enough to step into the line of
fire? I'm afraid this issue will simply be talked to death!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 03 June 2009

I like it. Bog this website down with cut and pasting. Maybe the poster
is tired of the BS of certian people who like C&P critizing every
person's point of view. Keep up the good work.

Name: Slim 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 03 June 2009

Hey Just an Ape From the Zoo I bet the zoo had to call RJ Corman to
bring out the sidewinders

Name: Just an Ape From the Zoo
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 03 June 2009

Zoo Train Derails, Injuring 22 PeopleBy BRETT BARROUQUERE, AP


LOUISVILLE, Ky. (June 2) - A small train carrying visitors to the
Louisville Zoo fell off the tracks Monday, sending 22 people to
hospitals including one child who was critically injured, officials
said.
The train of open-air cars is pulled by a small engine and circles the
zoo along a two-mile track. It was carrying about 30 passengers when
three cars and the engine fell off the rails near the gorilla exhibit.
A person briefly trapped was able to be freed, zoo spokeswoman Kara
Bussabarger said.
Skip over this content 


Seventeen children were taken to Kosair Children's Hospital for
treatment, including one in critical condition and another in serious,
said spokesman Brian Rublein. Five adults were taken to University of
Louisville Hospital, and spokesman David McArthur said all were in fair
or better condition and that one might be admitted.
Dr. Neal Richmond, CEO and medical director of Louisville Metro EMS,
said one adult had a possible head injury and was "a little confused
initially" but was communicating and walking.

Those injured were from 2 months old to senior citizens, he said.
Rublein said besides the two children admitted to Kosair, three others
were still being evaluated, with the rest treated and released.
The derailment happened about 1 1/2 hours before the zoo's 6 p.m.
closing, Bussabarger said. The train wasn't in a public area but
behind the gorilla exhibit, she said.

Zoo officials planned to reopen as scheduled Tuesday, but the ride will
be closed until further notice. Bussabarger said three Kentucky
Department of Agriculture ride inspectors are investigating. The cause
was not yet known, Bussabarger said.
The train ride opened 40 years ago, Bussabarger said in a statement.
The one that derailed was bought in 2000, holds 40 to 50 passengers and
averages 12 miles per hour, she said.
Associated Press writer Beth Campbell contributed to this report

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 03 June 2009

Get the point yet.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 03 June 2009

(Norfolk Southern issued the following on June 1, 2009.)

NORFOLK, Va. — On the 10th anniversary of Norfolk Southern
Corporation's acquisition of nearly 60 percent of Conrail, CEO Wick
Moorman today thanked customers, suppliers, stockholders, communities,
and employees for their hard work and support.

"On Day One -- June 1, 1999 -- we set out to build the best freight
transportation system in the world," Moorman said. "We have made
steady progress toward that goal, and together we have enjoyed a decade
of growth and financial success. All of us at Norfolk Southern are
grateful to everyone who has played a part in this success, and we look
forward to what the next decade brings."

Since Day One, when Norfolk Southern added 7,200 miles of Conrail
routes and 10,000 former Conrail employees to its system, the railroad
has moved 3.5 trillion gross ton-miles of freight. A single train of
every carload NS hauled in the last decade could stretch to the moon
and back twice -- and then some.

In order to meet increased demand and better serve customers, NS over
that period has invested nearly $10 billion in capital expenditures to
improve track, equipment, facilities, and technology. In new rail
alone, NS installed the equivalent of a brand new transcontinental
railroad.

NS' industrial development activities since Day One resulted in the
location or expansion of 1,115 industries along the railroad's lines,
representing customer investments of $23.6 billion and creating nearly
55,000 customer jobs in the territory served by the railroad.

The Conrail transaction returned competitive rail service to the
Northeast for the first time in 20 years. NS sharpened its focus on
customer service markedly following the transaction -- especially
through its Thoroughbred Operating Plan -- and today is the industry's
service benchmark.

Most important, it all has been done safely. NS employees have earned
the E.H. Harriman Memorial Gold Medal as the safest railroad workers in
the U.S. for each of the last 20 years.

"The numbers tell an impressive story, but as satisfying as it is to
see how far we've come, it's more exciting to look ahead," Moorman
said. "Our progress has given us the strength to weather the current
economic storm. This recession will pass, and the long-term future for
rail as the safe, clean, and fuel-efficient transportation alternative
has never been brighter. NS is ready to take advantage of the
opportunities that a recovering economy will bring. Ten years from now,
along with our partners, we will look back again with amazement at how
far we've come together."

Norfolk Southern Corporation (NYSE: NSC) is a leading North American
transportation provider. Its Norfolk Southern Railway subsidiary
operates approximately 21,000 route miles in 22 states and the District
of Columbia, serves every major container port in the eastern United
States, and provides efficient connections to other rail carriers.
Norfolk Southern operates the most extensive intermodal network in the
East and is a major transporter of coal and industrial products.


Tuesday, June 02, 2009

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 03 June 2009

Railroad accidents have terrible consequences, safety advocates say 
(The following story by Nicole Printz appeared on the Abilene Recorder
Chronicle website on June 2, 2009. T.A. LaCombe is a member of BLET
Division 261 in Herington, Kan.)

ABILENE, Texas — When people think of train collisions, they generally
think of train crossings.

Thomas LaCombe, Union Pacific train engineer and a presenter for
Operation Lifesaver, is raising awareness about trespassing incidents.
Operation Lifesaver had a car crushed in a train collision and displays
at Flour Power Family Fun Fest this past weekend. LaCombe stressed the
importance of railroad safety in Abilene.

“There are two major railroad companies that run though Abilene,” he
said.

The multiple tracks through Abilene increase the risk for train
collisions, either at crossings or trespassing incidents.

“Railroads are private property,” he said. “Almost everyone crosses
railways at some point. There were 2,000 people killed on the rail
right of ways last year.”

In Kansas last year nine people were injured and four people killed on
railroad property, according to the Federal Railroad Association.

LaCombe explained that many people do not think that fishing on a
railroad bridge or walking on tracks is trespassing.

The only legal place to cross a railroad track is at designated public
crossings.
Children are often fascinated with trains and will cross underneath
stopped trains.

LaCombe was starting a train and noticed movement in the rearview
mirrors. There were three children playing underneath the cars. If he
hadn’t noticed them, the children probably would have been severely
injured or killed.

“Don’t set things on the track. A railroad spike set on the track can
derail a train,” LaCombe said. “If the train is carrying federal
property and is derailed it becomes a federal incident.” 

Coins placed on the tracks can be flung with great speed when run over,
potentially injuring someone.

Drivers make poor decisions that lead to accidents as well.

“The railroads have their own police,” he explained. “If I see someone
go around the gates I am required to report that.”

Going around crossing gates is illegal, and you can be ticketed even if
the gates have been down for several days. If gates are down for no
apparent reason, look on the crossbuck or near the crossing for the
toll free number posted near every crossing.

Trains can crush cars as easily as a car can crush a pop can.

“If your car dies on the tracks, walk toward the direction the train is
coming from.” LaCombe said. “If you walk the other way, the train could
knock your car into you.”

“There are no accidents with trains,” executive director Darlene
Osterhaus said. “The train doesn’t come off the tracks and hunt you
down.”

LaCombe is available for free presentations for children and adults
interested in learning more about train safety. Visit www.oli.org or
call 1-800-537-6224 to schedule a presentation.


Tuesday, June 02, 2009

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 03 June 2009

NS marks 10 year anniversary of Conrail acquisition 
(Norfolk Southern issued the following on June 1, 2009.)

NORFOLK, Va. — On the 10th anniversary of Norfolk Southern
Corporation's acquisition of nearly 60 percent of Conrail, CEO Wick
Moorman today thanked customers, suppliers, stockholders, communities,
and employees for their hard work and support.

"On Day One -- June 1, 1999 -- we set out to build the best freight
transportation system in the world," Moorman said. "We have made
steady progress toward that goal, and together we have enjoyed a decade
of growth and financial success. All of us at Norfolk Southern are
grateful to everyone who has played a part in this success, and we look
forward to what the next decade brings."

Since Day One, when Norfolk Southern added 7,200 miles of Conrail
routes and 10,000 former Conrail employees to its system, the railroad
has moved 3.5 trillion gross ton-miles of freight. A single train of
every carload NS hauled in the last decade could stretch to the moon
and back twice -- and then some.

In order to meet increased demand and better serve customers, NS over
that period has invested nearly $10 billion in capital expenditures to
improve track, equipment, facilities, and technology. In new rail
alone, NS installed the equivalent of a brand new transcontinental
railroad.

NS' industrial development activities since Day One resulted in the
location or expansion of 1,115 industries along the railroad's lines,
representing customer investments of $23.6 billion and creating nearly
55,000 customer jobs in the territory served by the railroad.

The Conrail transaction returned competitive rail service to the
Northeast for the first time in 20 years. NS sharpened its focus on
customer service markedly following the transaction -- especially
through its Thoroughbred Operating Plan -- and today is the industry's
service benchmark.

Most important, it all has been done safely. NS employees have earned
the E.H. Harriman Memorial Gold Medal as the safest railroad workers in
the U.S. for each of the last 20 years.

"The numbers tell an impressive story, but as satisfying as it is to
see how far we've come, it's more exciting to look ahead," Moorman
said. "Our progress has given us the strength to weather the current
economic storm. This recession will pass, and the long-term future for
rail as the safe, clean, and fuel-efficient transportation alternative
has never been brighter. NS is ready to take advantage of the
opportunities that a recovering economy will bring. Ten years from now,
along with our partners, we will look back again with amazement at how
far we've come together."

Norfolk Southern Corporation (NYSE: NSC) is a leading North American
transportation provider. Its Norfolk Southern Railway subsidiary
operates approximately 21,000 route miles in 22 states and the District
of Columbia, serves every major container port in the eastern United
States, and provides efficient connections to other rail carriers.
Norfolk Southern operates the most extensive intermodal network in the
East and is a major transporter of coal and industrial products.


Tuesday, June 02, 2009

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 03 June 2009

Heads up new employees!!!
Unless you have at least 7-10 years of service, time to dust off the
old resumes... CSX plans to continue running on skeleton crews thru the
July hours of service law change, and if they can still move their
trains... yup, you guessed it... MORE FURLOUGHS!!!

Get out now while you can...

Name: SAFETY STRIKE 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 03 June 2009

Nice WSJ article, Z, but we need to hear MUCH more in the way of
specifics from the law firm that handled the case.   

We need to know more of the facts of Mr. Hensley's case. He had brain
cancer (?) and lung cancer (asbestosis) from exposure to toxic
chemicals....what chemicals? How much exposure? What was the causative
connection? . He had cancer(?),  or he had symptoms of it (?), or he
had a fear of the symptoms (?), or he had a fear of pending death from
cancer, or.....something else was pleaded?  It makes a difference. It
is odd that the Court would not consider that Hensley had no fear of
cancer (or a fear of dying for that matter) if he had no present
ongoing stage one cancer. 

The Ayers standard for fear of cancer was 'proof of their
apprehension of developing lung cancer in the future', which indicated
that one did not need to actually have cancer, but had symptoms that
could lead to cancer (plural plaques, cysts, high white cell blood
count) but not actual cancer itself.  Is the court saying something
different?  Is there now a higher standard based on something else? If
so, what is that something else? What is the legal standard now for
fear of cancer under FELA? Higher than merely apprehension, or
apprehensions with associated predictive medical conditions.  What is
the standard now for 'genuine and serious'?.  How high is  the
standard?. What would be threshhold examples? Is there a balancing
test? What did Ayers say that the Court relied upon - or did not rely
upon? 

Fear of cancer is fairly common in asbestos cases, and the standard is
not "high".....seems like the FELA plaintiffs lawyers may have left
the door open for a company friendly conservative court to come in and
restate the rule of law.  Why is FELA different from any other non-FELA
fear of cancer case where brain cancer and asbestos related cancer are
at issue?   

CSX argued that the instructions given to the jury were too friendly to
Mr. Hensley - the jurors were ot instructed that  Hensley
needed to demonstrate that his fear of cancer was genuine and serious.
How so?   Is it simply a matter of issuing a jury instruction, or does
plaintiff have to add additional facts to prove his case?

"Although plaintiffs can seek fear-of-cancer damages in some...cases,
they must satisfy a high standard in order to obtain them,". Ok,
great.  Ok, so again, what exactly meets the Court's definition of a
"high standard" when seeking fear of cancer damages.  

Did Hensley win on other aspects of his case?  What were they? Did he
prove that his cancers (?) were caused to his exposure to toxic
chemicals and to asbestos?  

Anything else this law firm can SPECIFICALLY tell us about the case
would be EXTREMELY beneficial to every single railraod worker employed
by CSX as well as the other carriers.

We may be railroard workers, but we read these cases, and we like to
know exactly what is going on.  

Thanks.

Name: z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 03 June 2009

Court rules for CSX in worker-injury case 
WASHINGTON -- The U.S. Supreme Court Monday (June 1) threw out a $5
million jury verdict awarded to a former CSX Corp. railroad worker who
alleged that he had been negligently exposed to toxic chemicals and
asbestos on the job, which caused him to develop brain injuries and
asbestosis, a lung disease. 
Among other things, Tennessee railroad worker Thurston Hensley sought
monetary damages for a fear of developing cancer in the future, The
Wall Street Journal reported. 

CSX argued that the instructions given to the jury were too friendly to
Mr. Hensley. The company wanted jurors to be instructed that Mr. Hensley
needed to demonstrate that his fear of cancer was genuine and serious. 

The Supreme Court, in an unsigned opinion, ruled 7-2 that it was a
"clear error" for the trial judge not to give the jury instructions
CSX requested. 

"Although plaintiffs can seek fear-of-cancer damages in some...cases,
they must satisfy a high standard in order to obtain them," the
court's majority said. 

In dissent, Justice John Paul Stevens said, "As a practical matter, it
is hard to believe the jury would have awarded any damages for
Hensley's fear of cancer if it did not believe that fear to be genuine
and serious." 

The Supreme Court decided the case without requesting a full legal
briefing or hearing oral arguments, a sign that a majority of the
justices believed the lower-court ruling was clearly wrong. 

The high court sent the case back for new court proceedings. 

CSX didn't immediately respond to a request for comment. 

(The preceding article by Brent Kendall was published June 1, 2009, by
The Wall Street Journal.)

Name: RRJ
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Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 02 June 2009

Cond 10-20

You can't come up with anything better than that? It seems all you
people can do is dish out insults. No solution that makes you part of
the problem.

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 02 June 2009

Mr. Gordon, 
The Supreme Court opinion is most interesting, but could you possibly
put it into the context of the King's English so that the majority of
non-lawyers on this site can understand what the case means to them? Is
the ruling applicable to asbestos disease cases only, or also to toxic
chemicals, fumes, and exhaust as well.   Is it just lung cancer, or
does the fear of cancer extend to all types of cancer. Does a worker
have to prove that he or she has stage one carcinoma, or is it enough
to simply know that you have had exposure to a target group of
carcinogenic causing chemicals to be at risk of cancer, thus have a
"genuine and serious" fear of cancer?   

Much appreciated.

Name: Steve Gordon
E-mail: sgordon@gordon-elias.com
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 02 June 2009

***PRESS RELEASE***


Significant Decision Affecting 
Rights of Injured FELA Workers


On Monday, June 1st, the United States Supreme Court decided a case
styled CSX Transportation, Inc. v Thurston Hensley 2009 WL 1506680
(U.S. June 1, 2009)).  This case demonstrated the conservativeness of
the Supreme Court, and their determination to exclude injured workers
from recovering.

The Supreme Court relied heavily upon a previously decided case, i.e.,
Norfolk & Western R. Co. v Ayers (538 U.S. 135). Ayers held that a
plaintiff may recover for fear of cancer if he proves his fear is
‘genuine and serious’.  Once the plaintiff has provided proof of their
apprehension of developing lung cancer in the future, the law will
provide compensation for those damages.

At issue in the Hensley case was whether it was proper for the trial
court to deny CSX its requested juror instructions.  CSX requested the
following instruction to be part of the charge: 

Charge One stated the basic requirements to obtain damages under Ayers.
Plaintiff is also alleging that he suffers from a compensable fear of
cancer. In order to recover, Plaintiff must demonstrate that the fear
is genuine and serious.”  

Hensley first sued CSX in Tennessee state court. At the close of the
trial, CSX requested an instruction that Hensley needed to have shown
his fear of getting cancer was genuine and serious. The trial court
refused to allow the instruction. The Tennessee Court of Appeals
affirmed, stating that they saw no purpose in instructing the jurors.
If the jurors did not believe the plaintiff was genuine and serious in
his fears, then little to no damages would be awarded to him.  

The Hensley court held the ruling of the Tennessee Court of Appeals and
the refusal of the trial court to give the juror instructions were clear
error.  In Ayers, the Court expressly recognized that several “verdict
control devices” were available to the trial court when a FELA
plaintiff sought fear-of-cancer damages.  One of the verdict control
devices included that on a defendant's request, each plaintiff must
prove any alleged fear to be genuine and serious.  In Hensley, the
trial court erred when it refused CSX’s request for a juror instruction
on the genuine-and-serious standard of Hensley’s fear of cancer claim.

The Hensley Court held that instructing the jury on fear of cancer
damages would have been worthwhile.  Given the fact that the cancer
claim could have the potential to “evoke raw emotions” among the jurors
made the need for a juror instruction on the legal standard even more
vital. The Hensley Court somehow felt the need to bring up the numerous
asbestos cases pending as a way of justifying the estimation of damages
for plaintiffs. Their choice to bring up the cases was irrelevant and
unnecessary. 

An interesting aspect to this case is found in the dissent. Justice
Stevens, who had voted to affirm the Supreme Court decision in Ayers,
displayed his contempt for the decision in this case.  He stated that
the new ruling authorized a fresh review of the jury’s damages award.
Yet, as a matter of practicality, he noted that the jury would only
award the amount of damages they felt was necessary.  Justice Stevens
further pointed out that CSX did not attack the $5 million dollar award
as excessive. In that light, he further demonstrated that CSX did not
request the trial court to ask the jury to award damages for each
element of recovery. Had CSX done this, and the trial court had
complied, then CSX’s challenge would only have gone to the amount
awarded to the ‘fear of cancer’ amount and the entire verdict would not
have had to have been thrown out. 

The Hensley Court’s decision to reverse and remand the case rests on
the language in footnote 19 of the Ayers opinion. The footnote states:

“In their prediction that adhering to the line drawn in Gottshall and
Metro-North will, in this setting, bankrupt defendants, the dissents
largely disregard, inter alia, the verdict control devices available to
the trial court. These include, on a defendant's request, a charge that
each plaintiff must prove any alleged fear to be genuine and serious,
review of the evidence on damages for sufficiency, and particularized
verdict forms.” Id., at 159, n. 19 

The Hensley Court broadly interpreted the footnote, finding that
anytime a defendant demanded an instruction, it must be given when
involving fear of cancer. 

In contrast, Justice Stevens held that on the footnote’s face it merely
points out that a defendant has the right to request a
genuine-and-serious instruction, and if requested, the instruction is
available to the trial court. It does not suggest that all instructions
should be granted. 

The Hensley majority opinion deviated from Ayers stare decisis. The
Court’s opinion, more than anything, will generate confusion regarding
the Ayers case. The Ayers case had already suffered multiple
interpretations by the courts. Given the opportunity to provide clarity
to the holding of Ayers, the Hensley Court failed to meet this
objective. In their rush to reverse the Tennessee Court of Appeals,
they failed to correctly interpret Ayers and eliminate the confusion
that plagued many courts.

The Hensley opinion leaves the reader wondering why the Supreme Court
failed to recognize the rights of workers who labor across America.
This conservative approach greatly diminishes a worker’s ability to
recover damages.

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Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 02 June 2009

That's ok RRJ.  We will have you and BLET to save us all, like you been
doing with all the fomenting of in fighting.  Like most engineers, all
mouth and no solutions. Have another vodka and tonic on me.

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 02 June 2009

That's funny all engineers are drunks. Hey, we didn't have cabooses to
sleep it off like the conductor. The conductor is nothing more than a
grade indicator as one person already mentioned. There won't be any
remote operators left if the UTU keeps allowing the railroads to
exterminate them the UTU just keeps silent about it. Frigging
Morons!!!!!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 02 June 2009

if Operating gave out speeding tickets, engineers not be allowed to
drive a tricycle.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 02 June 2009

Who woke the conductor up?  Go back to sleep so I can learn the ups and
downs of the road.  Conductor head forward = downhill.  Conductor head
back = uphill.  Greasy spot on conductor window = normal.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 02 June 2009

RRJ the only locomotive engineers I know are all drunks.  You can not
trust any of them to keep from running you over. That's why the Unions
and the companies agree to give RCO over to the UTU because the UTU
members KNOW what safe work is so that is why BLET lost the RCO because
they are stupid KKK southern racists who smell like Vodka all the time
and beat their wives and kids and live in hillbilly shanties because
they spend all their paycheck on liquor. They could get rid of the BLET
and no one would miss it.

Name: lemonhead
E-mail: 
Employed as: CSX Contractor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 02 June 2009

dude don't do that if you need to talk call me i'am for real
850-232-6347 terrance

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 02 June 2009

What has the UTU done about the remote cover ups? I don't see anything
on their website. The BLE(T) has comprised a list of major offenses. In
fact when the tragidy happened at Selkirk I didn't read one article
where a UTU representative made a comment, the BLE(T) did. The UTU
conspired with the railroads to implement this technology without
making sure it had federal regulations it had to abide by instead they
went along with federal guidelines which are still in use. These
guidelines let the railroads do whatever they want no one is stopping
it. If I was a UTU member I'd be shouting off the mountian tops
wanting answers. I don't see it happening. It isn't oldheads running
these remotes majority are newbies with less than 2 years at least at
my locations. CSX in my area forces every new hire to be remote
qualified. Under the guidelines it's only two weeks of training.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 01 June 2009

It's been a revolving door around Mobile the last 3 years. 

The long time Super. was relieved and sent to Florida after he told the
FRA Inspector to get off the property. There were several other issues
at the time that I can't recall, hell i don't even remember his
name.

The kid they brought in from Birmingham, because of some harassment
issue, covered up a red board violation. If I recall correctly, he was
on an engine shoving the main in the yard when it backed through the
board.

Name: Spunkwilly
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 1-10 years
Posted: 01 June 2009

How many of them derails in Mobile were Remote jobs? Didn't CSX fire
your Terminal TM for covering up some derails in Mobile? That's what I
heard.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 01 June 2009

We derail more cars in Mobile before 9 AM than most yards derail all
day!

Name: Bad Boy T.V.
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 01 June 2009

z's mother doin it with a.......donkey!
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYo6PJGLSkI

Name: Slim 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 01 June 2009

Wow Conductor, for 1-10 years you need to be very careful about what you
say. Murdering your family is something not to joke around. Just a few
months ago a man who was in the Sales and Marketing department did this
and it was a shame that he did not seek help. If you said it with
frustration you need to find a marriage counselor, get help before
it's too late. Plus the webmaster could turn it in to the law
enforcement officials if it is suspected that you will do something to
jeopardize you life and your family as well.

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 01 June 2009

The last poster, "the Banker",  needs to contact the FELA attorney who
is handling the Jerod Boehlke case.  Anyone know who that might be?  

I am sure whoever is handing (or will be handling) the Boehlke case 
would be very interested in speaking with you. If contact is made with
the attorney directly, your conversation is protected from disclosure
persuant to rules of attorney-client privilege.    

Thanks for posting your comments.

Name: The Banker
E-mail: rrbakerjr@gmail.com
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 01 June 2009

I was a trainmaster for CSX-now terminated & working again as a
conductor. I would be willing to testify on behalf of the remote
operator killed in Selkirk. I was fired for reporting too many
derailments (I didn't report them all to my shame) in the Cumberland
Md terminal. When I attempted to bring this to the attention of Tony
Ingram by emailing him; CSX led by Jim Marks, did a thorough whitewash
investigation. They fire T & E folks for lying about matters under
investigation. They promote officers for doing the same. Not all
officers are corrupt but the honest ones jobs are often imperiled. I
would also be willing to meet with Michael Ward or any members of CSX
board who are interested in learning more. People's lives are put at
risk when derailments are covered up. Anytime you see a derailment
occur everyone who knows about it should put it on this web site & call
the ethics shamline. I will warn you if you give your name-which I
encourage you to do-it will get back to the officers involved & they
will retaliate against you. 

The corruption at CSX goes very high. I can only speak for what I know
but Gery Williams, Cindy Sanborn, & the officers in Cumberland
including the Roadmasters & Asst Roadmasters put their careers ahead of
your safety.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 01 June 2009

Hey Con 1-10:

I've been married 31 years and argue with my wife, I have a job, a
house and I still don't get any respect.

There are 6.8 million men and women in your situation, so don't feel
sorry for yourself. Your wife and kids are suffering as much as you
are. 

As for murdering you family, that's about the stupidest comment I
think I ever heard here. The webmaster knows where you are and your ISP
knows who you are.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 01 June 2009

Just threw fussing with the wife , no job,no respect.I feel like taking
a pistol murdering the whole family.Life a bitch

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 01 June 2009

Hello Selkirk:

Just to follow up...does anyone know if the DA in Albany will present
Jerod Boehlke's death to a Grand Jury; or if it is a Federal question,
the U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of NY will present to a
Federal Grand Jury.

I would think there was enough cause to return an indictment. Until CSX
faces serious consequences...jail time for senior management, the deaths
will continue. A little leverage applied on a green Trainmaster would
yield big results!

Name: fedup
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 01 June 2009

I want to start saying that I feel for all those cutoff, when I first
hired I was on here preaching one union, we need to form 1 union, and
as time progressed, I realized just what all the whiskers were saying
were true-aint gonna happen. While there are alot of good men out here,
greed prevails and it always will and csx as well as the unions know
this. This place is just a place to vent and talk a good game,
solidarity we dont have. To all the guys cut off, find other work and
learn from this, for all those working, watch ur back and you brothers,
I hear snakes are bad right now!

Name: RRJ
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 01 June 2009

NoMo

Sam the foamer is a "union of one". He can call a meeting anytime he
feels like it.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 31 May 2009

A Union meeting on Saturday at 1900...yeah, that's a new one!

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 31 May 2009

Nope. I use just one ID.  and that ID is "Sam".  The real me. The real
McCoy. 30+ years Locomotive Engineer seniority.  

Unlike others so typical of CSX Corporate, I don't need to hide behind
fake IDs.  

Gotta go to a Union meeting now.  Our main issue today is the Safety
Strike.  We support Jim from Selkirk and his local's efforts to stage
a Safety Strike. 

Chicken Pecker, thanks for "coming out".  I think you got spunk,
laddie.

Name: Chicken Pecker aka Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 31 May 2009

Well, I guess its time to come out of the closet.  I usually post under
the name of loco30+, z, zorro, RRJ, NoMo, Allman Brothers, and a bunch
of others - so many i cant remember.  

Now that I have confessed, SAm,  how about you.  Do you have multiple
IDs?

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 31 May 2009

Memorial weekend was last weekend...Memorial Day was May 25th!

Name: Tank
E-mail: 
Employed as: Car repair, for 20-30 years
Posted: 31 May 2009

My day off and its memorial weekend so not a lot of time for this
Sam I would say that your strategy of a safety strike has got them
thinking so its good to hear your voice on here. too bad the oldtimers
are so territorial not open much to any new ideas but thats why the
unions are so fucked up they dont want to listen or change really
clickish but thats not new on the rr either.  have a good weekend and
stay safe.

Name: Jim from Selkirk
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 31 May 2009

Sam,

The z boys were doing so well posting business stuff so its too bad
they turn around and make themselves look like idiots with stupid
personal attack posts which is what happens when you get inbreds I
guess so give me a call sam we have some urgent Union business matters
to discuss and could use some good blet viewpoint Thanks.

Name: Webmaster
E-mail: THEWebinator.com
Employed as: Corporate office, for N/A
Posted: 31 May 2009

The Boogie Man is gonna get you Chicken Pecker. LOL

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 31 May 2009

Sometimes you just have to call Sam a fruit cake and a spade a spade.

Hey slack action, were you ever busted by the webmaster?

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 31 May 2009

Jim

Ditto Jim - appreciate your comments. Sometimes you just have to call a
spade a spade, and Chicken Pecker with all his aliases is certainly a
multiple personality maverick. LOL

Name: Jim from Selkirk
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 30 May 2009

Thanks Sam for the email info and i see you have a lot to content with
on this board with one guy pretending to be 20 different posters like
NoMo, Goober, Z, RRJ and probably a dozen others are the same guy so
yeah it is very very strange and they waste a lot of time bashing
posters when they should just stick to the problems we have to deal
with so they should butt out and get a life they arent doing this board
any good.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 30 May 2009

DUH, Sam, why not just get a CSX sucks e-mail address and post it with
your threads and they can get one as well. Then you can e-mail in
private all you want.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 30 May 2009

I don't think the webmaster will send any body's email without express
written consent from the addressee...I wouldn't!

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 30 May 2009

Tank, Jim from Selkirk and Simeon from Cincinnati.....tell the webmaster
to send me your email address, and tell him to send you mine. Thanks.

Name: Goober
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 30 May 2009

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 29 May 2009

Actually he posted way more than 2 back to back. You have to much time
on your hands Sam. I'll be glad when they call you back.

Take me up on my offer. I trust the webbie 100% to tell the truth.

All you have to do is tell the truth, post under one name, quit trying
to mislead people, learn that you aren't the absolute authority on
this site, learn how to talk to people instead of jumping in on every
post criticizing them and I will lighten up on you.
There is a lot of knowledge on this site, besides your unfounded, self
appointed intellectual authority. Even Goober out classes you.XXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
I just had to repost this piece of shit. Engineer with 30 years of
service??? And he says what??? just post under one name??? that is
really funny. He has no name???? now tell the truth, no misleading Yada
Yada.. Amazing

Name: 
E-mail: mikewardisgay@gmail.com
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 30 May 2009

Corp Office:
Since you got off your knees and removed the schlong from between your
lips long enough to post here, how about delivering a FUCK YOU to Ward
and Ingram for me....i can be reached at my email addy at the top of
the post.

Name: FIGHT THE POWER
E-mail: 
Employed as: Corporate office, for 10-20 years
Posted: 30 May 2009

Hey "other", you say you work for the Government? Well, bring it on
hotshot! If you are dumb enough to believe that you or the government
care about how we conduct our business or think that they can change
our policies, then I got news for you. We are CSX, we own the unions
and the FRA- and we own our T&E workers. Facts are facts. If you think
you or anyone else will ever change these facts, then come on down.
Write your Congressman and tell him how CSX hurt your feelings.

Name: Jim from Selkirk
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 30 May 2009

REPORT CSX SAFETY VIOLATIONS TO FRA and UTU.ORG

Every time CSX demands a one man RCO the FRA should be notified and a
maximum civil penality given for EVERY MINUTE that man is on the ground
working so here is the penalty FRA code and FRA contact information.  

Civil Penalty Schedules 
In December, 2008 FRA issued a final rule increasing the civil
penalties for violations of a railroad safety statute or regulation.
The increase incorporates the new maximum civil penalty amounts
authorized by the Rail Safety Improvement Act of 2008 and new minimum
amounts required under the Federal Civil Penalty Inflation Adjustment
Act of 1990......where a GROSSLY NEGLIGENT VIOLATION OR PATTERN OF
REPEATED VIOLATIONS has CREATED AN IMMINENT HAZARD OF DEATH OR INJURY,
(civil penalty)  will be increased from $27,000 to $100,000. The new
penalty schedule takes effect March 2, 2009. 
For more information contact:
FRA Office of Public Affairs
(202) 493-6024
www.fra.dot.gov
February, 2009 

And what is more CSX management should be brought up on CRIMINAL
charges for manslaughter at the very least 20 years to life in prison.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 29 May 2009

Your right there "fight the power"!!!  This is why I preach to these
young guys to get out of this as soon as possible.  I myself was a
"young guy" (2 years conductor).  But now I work for the federal
gov't.  And it is because of idiotic people like yourself and other
CSX management why I got out of this business (Actually, I am still in
it, just another profession).  You guys (CSX management and employees)
are low class scum of the earth.  And you have no respect for what
these union employees (UTU and BLE) do for you.  They put the money in
your pockets and food on your childrens tables. And now I am so glad I
have the job I have because I am going to work on bringing you people
down.  That has been my main goal since leaving because I love what I
did and the people I worked with.  Management (which was out of my
hands then, BUT NOT NOW) was just way too much.  And I just want to
make the railroad a happier, safe environment and a place where
everyone wants to come to work everyday AGAIN.  They deserve it (BLE &
UTU members).

Name: slack action
E-mail: 
Employed as: M of W, for 10-20 years
Posted: 29 May 2009

Aww shucks AB I thought you had forgot all about me.  Nice to still be
remembered.  I would love to give you my words of wisdom on being an
engr but I am just a poor MOW worker..... but maybe some day....
keep'em on the rails.

Name: Joe
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 29 May 2009

Ok guys here is something I found on the internet to contribute to the
injury reports and FELA law suits so instead of suing for being injured
we need to stop the injuries from occuring in the first place and i
think this is the right step and will walk the picket lines for a
Safety Strike for one day or one year whatever it takes so here is what
I find and you can find it to by searching RAILROAD INJURIES 2009 and I
think these are just 2 of very many cases. 

Recent Notable Cases
On March 27, 2009, the firm successfully settled the case of a Union
Pacific Railroad Company conductor who suffered permanent back, neck,
and shoulder injuries as a result of jumping from a derailing train.
Discovery revealed that the derailment occurred because Union Pacific
neglected to replace a section of rail on the track. The case settled
the morning of trial.  

On March 4, 2009, Clint McGuire and Jeff Todd of the Law Firm of Alton
C. Todd obtained a jury verdict of $1,375,000.00 against the Port
Terminal Railroad Association on behalf of Kelvin Brooks, a locomotive
engineer for the BNSF Railway Company, and Russell Williams, a
conductor for the BNSF Railway Company, for injuries sustained when the
engine they occupied was unexpectedly struck by several railcars that
were kicked into them by a PTRA employee during switching operations in
Pasadena Yard. The two-week trial was before the Honorable Melody
Wilkinson in the 17th District Court of Tarrant County in Ft. Worth,
Texas.

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 29 May 2009

Rail worker sues BNSF over back injury
3/30/2009 11:48 AM
By Kelly Holleran

A Texas railroad worker is suing Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railway
company over an alleged back injury he sustained on the job. 

Adam M. Brown was working as a brakeman and conductor for BNSF on Dec.
16 when his back was injured, the complaint filed March 25 in Jefferson
County District Court states.

Brown says his injury was caused because BNSF failed to provide him
with a safe place to work, failed to inspect the unsafe conditions and
failed to warn him of the unsafe conditions.

Because of the incident, Brown experienced pain, suffering, mental
anguish and disfigurement and incurred medical costs, according to the
complaint.

Brown is seeking a judgment within the jurisdictional limits of the
court, plus post-judgment interest, costs and other relief to which he
may be entitled.

Sara L. Youngdahl and Michael W. Hogue of the Youngdahl Law Firm in
Houston will be representing him.

Jefferson County District Court case number: D183-631.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 29 May 2009

Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 29 May 2009

Actually he posted way more than 2 back to back. You have to much time
on your hands Sam. I'll be glad when they call you back.

Take me up on my offer. I trust the webbie 100% to tell the truth.

All you have to do is tell the truth, post under one name, quit trying
to mislead people, learn that you aren't the absolute authority on
this site, learn how to talk to people instead of jumping in on every
post criticizing them and I will lighten up on you.
There is a lot of knowledge on this site, besides your unfounded, self
appointed intellectual authority. Even Goober out classes you.
Maybe even slack action.

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 29 May 2009

CSXT Workers Sue for Testing

JACKSONVILLE -- Executives for Jacksonville-based railroad CSX
Transportation should pay for medical testing for workers who could
have suffered brain damage while using chemicals on the job, lawyers
said in a class-action lawsuit filed on May 18, the Florida Times-Union
reports. 

The suit, filed in Marshall County, W.Va., seeks money for current
rank-and file rail employees in Jacksonville, Waycross and several
other areas who think they've been exposed to specific solvents to get
medical testing or treatment. 

CSXT spokesman Gary Sease said since no executives at the railroad had
seen the lawsuit there would be no official comment. CSXT officials
have previously denied a connection between the solvent and brain
damage. 

Conditions from the common degreasing solvents, used to clean
locomotives, include short-term memory loss and depression, said Mark
Coulter, a Pittsburgh lawyer representing the yet-unnamed CSXT workers
in the case. 

"CSX never told the workers these [chemicals] could be hazardous,"
Coulter said. "They didn't take any steps to protect the workers." 

CSXT said it stopped using the solvent in the mid 1980s because its
disposal was too expensive. 

This latest lawsuit is among at least 10 similar solvent-related cases
that have been filed against CSXT or settled in recent years. 

In a recent published report, Edward Stopher, a lawyer representing
CSX, said the railroad doesn't "believe that the science and the
medicine supports this casual connection" between brain damage and the
solvents. He made his comments to a Louisville, Ky., newspaper that
investigated possible brain damage incidents in railroad workers across
the nation. 

In the class-action suit filed yesterday, Coulter says CSXT and other
predecessor railroads have exposed employees to the dangerous organic
solvents since the 1960s. Besides brain damage, the chemicals can cause
liver damage, blood disorders, cancer and death, Coulter said in a
statement. 

"The workers also assert that the railroad should have monitored the
levels of these chemicals in the air, provided respiratory protection,
and improved the safety of work practices in the areas where they
worked," the suit contends. 

Coulter said this lawsuit is for the people who don't know they are
sick yet, not for people who have already filed claims. It covers both
current and former rail workers. 

The lawyer said his firm was alerted to the problems by phone calls
from CSXT workers who said they had medical problems, including memory
loss. 

No court date has been set yet for the case. 

The lawsuit is the latest in what has been a tumultuous few weeks for
the nation's third-largest railroad.

Name: Drain Bamage
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 29 May 2009

CSX damaged the brains of seven former employees.


WHEELING - Circuit Judge Arthur Recht has excluded a physician from
testifying that CSX Transportation damaged the brains of seven former
employees.

"This amounts to no methodology at all," Recht wrote in a May 19
order rejecting Douglas Linz as an expert witness for Pittsburgh
lawyers John McTiernan and Mark Wade.

Recht wrote that although he expressed an interest in testimony from a
neurologist, plaintiffs presented an expert in occupational medicine.

"Their lack of neurological evidence to support what they allege is a
brain injury syndrome begs the question of whether any reliable
evidence for this syndrome exists," he wrote.

He also excluded a professional journal article connecting solvent
exposure among railroad workers to tissue losses in the corpus callosum
area of their brains.

Some of the workers in the study happened to be litigants.

"The study results are questionable due to the significant selection
bias in the choice of study subjects," Recht wrote.

CSX discovered this flaw and others in the study only after overcoming
interference from West Virginia Attorney General Darrell McGraw.

In 2006, McGraw sided with the Pittsburgh lawyers and moved to quash a
subpoena seeking data behind the article.

Recht denied McGraw's motion.

CSX hired neurologist Kirk Frey to study the data, and he concluded
that it provided no evidence of statistically significant tissue loss.

At a hearing last year, he said that if the corpus callosum shrank,
fluid would increase around the brain to compensate for the loss. He
said he found no such change.

Although plaintiffs alleged memory loss, Frey countered that the corpus
callosum is not involved in memory function.

He said researchers compared groups of individuals to each other but
did not measure changes in individual brains.

Recht watched videotaped testimony from Linz in January, and then he
made up his mind.

In his order, he wrote that the journal article generated a hypothesis
rather than testing one.

"In other words, the study was not designed in such a way as to be
capable of proving cause and effect," he wrote.

Likewise he rejected Linz's opinions, writing that he relied on worker
reports and never saw baseline testing.

"Dr. Linz admits that it may be problematic to rely on the memories of
patients with memory complaints," Recht wrote.

He wrote that Linz's methods "cannot rule out alternative causes, or
even establish exposure as a cause without already being told that it
has occurred."

He wrote that Linz's theory and conclusion couldn't be tested in a
reproducible way or with a known rate of error.

"His method is not falsifiable," Recht wrote.

Plaintiffs in the Ohio County suits are John Childers, Charles Clemons,
Marvin Ferrell, Phillip Knipp, Jack Little, John Schneider and Kenneth
Tschop Jr.

James Turner of Huddleston Bolen in Huntington represents CSX.

Name: Simeon - Cincinnati
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 29 May 2009

FIGHT THE POWER!!! 

Striking to stop unsafe working conditions has been an American
Constitutional right since the 1800s.  It is the only way labor has
been able to stop companies from maintaining unsafe working conditions
and it is the only way to stop the resulting murders, killings, and
maimings caused by unsafe & ultra-hazardous working conditions.  

If you have ANY information on railroad employee injuries or deaths
REPORT IT HERE and on the BLET and UTU WEB SITES  ( REPORT ANY CARRIER
- UP, NS, KCS, CSX, BNSF or any short line).  We want to know about ALL
injuries and deaths, unsafe working conditions, unsafe equipment, unsafe
car & engine shops, ongoing safety violations, defective/malfunctioning
equipment, injuries incurred by not reported,  abusive unsafe practices
by managment, and any other unsafe/hazardous working conditions that you
know exist - REPORT IT ALL, AND KEEP REPORTING IT OVER AN OVER AND OVER.


There were thousands of Railroad injuries and deaths last year.  There
will be thousands more this year.  The world wants to know about them.
Your fellow citizen is concerned and wants to help!   

Keep the pressure up. The only way to improve anything is to get it
onto a public forum - for which a Safety Strike is the perfect vehicle.
 Otherwise, companies like CSX will continue to sweep their criminal
negligence like the Selkirks  and the Maintenance Shop disasters under
the rug.  

FIGHT THE POWER!!!!

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 29 May 2009

Excellent post Z. Our unions have failed us miserably and it shows each
and every day.  I think the good majority of us are at a breaking point
and if the right people started a strike they would be followed. 
There's just no justification for whats going on and something has to
be done or things will only get worse for all of us.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 29 May 2009

"No job is so important, no service so urgent that we cannot take time
to make over time." People need to quit running for quits. Use the
rule book to your advantage. Do not let supervision put you in a
position that can hurt or kill you. That is one way to start out,
because if you think railroads are going to change your wrong. If you
think the UTU safety task force will make them change, your wrong.
Railroads have been condoning killing of employees since they became in
existence. More smoke and mirrors, by the UTU, instead of correcting the
problems.

The BLE has had a safety task force for some time and now the UTU is
staying politically correct by forming one. Informational picket lines
by the BLE in 2002. What hog wash. The UTU accepting RCO's for 45
minutes extra pay. Both Unions should have walked when the carriers
implemented remotes. A judge ruling we couldn't strike because it was
a minor dispute, what horse shit. I would like to know what the dollar
amount was, that secured this ruling. Both unions should have hit the
street any way. Nope, the strike never came because they were
threatened by the carriers that a new craft would be formed leaving
both crafts out of the work. Now the UTU is forming a safety task
force, whoop-die do. Where were they when they allowed the carriers to
place men straight out of cubing into remote class. The people haven't
even learned how to switch yet, so lets throw running a locomotive on
them also. Where is the UTU when the carriers violate the Vernon award,
allowing one man remotes with utility men assigned to them. Where were
both unions when stats were falsified during the 3 year FRA study to
see how safe remotes were. Where is the BLE on this issue as well.
Where is the FRA allowing this bull shit to continue.

It amazes me the UTU would allow one man remotes, assigning utility men
at will. No protest what so ever from the unions. A 2 week training
program?
How many people has CSX failed because they couldn't pass the RCO
class. How about Zero, everyone passes. Instead of identifying
employees that, need more training and giving it to them, they rush
them through a 2 week class. After all, giving them extra training
would cost more. Then we get into incompetent managers that require
employees to perform work that is unsafe. Oh no, CSX would tell you
they don't and make a god case. The real scoop is if a employee
refuses because of safety, lets hide in the woods and bust them later
on some bull shit charge to teach the employee a lesson.

Name: 
E-mail: mikewardisgay@gmail.com
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 29 May 2009

NoMo:

Its not a start yet, this could just be some smoke in our eyes. you
know the routine, "watch this hand,while we do whatever with the other
one".

Name: Brake Stick
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 29 May 2009

WTF over, So what happened to the motto "No job is so important, no
service so urgent that we cannot take time to perform all work
safely?" Umm seems like that went down the toilet when CSX implemented
one man remotes.  People can cry Safety Strike but it would have to take
everybody in the T&E department to make it happen and we all know that’s
impossible. So I say throw both anchors out the window and let them drag
the ballast and work as slow and safe as possible.  Have a safe ethical
CSX day!!  Brake Stick out

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 29 May 2009

Well I just visited the safety site...seems to me the UTU is 
patronizing their membership. Lets see if the Remotes are mentioned.

It's a start!

Name: 
E-mail: mikewardisgay@gmail.com
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 29 May 2009

Stayin' alive: Visit safety task force Web page 
With railroad employee on-duty fatalities and career-ending injuries
soaring, UTU International President Mike Futhey recently appointed a
four-person safety task force to craft, in conjunction with the FRA, an
action plan to reduce rail-employee risk while on the job.

Leading the safety task force is UTU Assistant Arizona State
Legislative Director Greg Hynes, who will work with UTU Arizona State
Legislative Director Scott Olson, Arkansas State Legislative Director
Steve Evans and Michigan State Legislative Director Jerry Gibson. 

The effectiveness of the safety task force requires communication with
UTU members who work in the yards and aboard trains. 

To ensure two-way communication, a new Web page has been created to
provide updates on the work of the safety task force and permit UTU
members to contact the safety task force with suggestions, information
on workplace safety hazards and questions. 

Members should also advise their state legislative directors of
workplace safety hazards.

On the lower right of the UTU home page, at www.utu.org, a button has
been created, providing a direct link to the safety task force's Web
page. 

Portions of the page remain under construction, but a link already is
provided permitting members to e-mail suggestions, information on
workplace safety hazards, and questions. 

The page also provides quick links to UTU Designated Legal Counsel,
state legislative directors and general chairpersons. 

A complete listing of UTU members who have been killed in the line of
duty this year also will be added.

As safety task force recommendations are made, they will be posted as
alerts on the safety task force Web page, and also e-mailed to UTU
members who sign up for UTU e-mail alerts. 

If you are not already signed up for e-mail alerts, register at:

www.utu.org/worksite/InfoIndex.cfm. 

Please visit the safety task force's new Web page, whose purpose is to
help ensure you return home from the job alive and in one piece.

Click on the button on the UTU home page, or use this Web address to
reach the safety task force's new Web page:

www.utu.org/worksite/rail_safety_taskforce/safety_taskforce_home.htm.
 
May 28, 2009

Name: 
E-mail: mikewardisgay@gmail.com
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 29 May 2009

Corp. Office:

And Ive seen den mothers with a better sense of organization than ALL
of the management on CSX property....

Name: FIGHT THE POWER
E-mail: 
Employed as: Corporate office, for 10-20 years
Posted: 28 May 2009

You Union T&E guys don't have the intelligence or the will to strike.
Half of you guys would still work for CSX if we cut your pay in half.
Do you think that payroll makes that many mistakes? We decline...you
forget....we decline, you re-submit, we re-decline. We know how the
cattle work. It is up to us to make sure the cattle do the work we tell
them to do. We are Management, we make the rules- It's our game. You
guys are just pieces on our board. All those older men out there know
it too. Your Union Locals know it. So, cry all day long about how much
you want changes, but I've seen girl scout troops more organized than
you guys. FIGHT THE POWER!

Name: Fat Daddy
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 28 May 2009

Hey "Don't give a f___ anymore",

     I agree with you man.  That is what I did.  There are so many
better unions out there and JOBS PERIOD.  This place (CSX) is for
losers man.  I understand people mid-way through their career and
especially the older guys just having to get in their time.  But you
new guys, what the hell are you thinking??  Get the hell out of this
joke ASAP!!

Name: 
E-mail: mikewardisgay@gmail.com
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 28 May 2009

Like i said before, union leaders, fra big shots, ntsb big shots have
open pockets which CSX will gladly fill as long as things go their
way......til you get rid of those people we get what we get. And just
have to hope that the ones that were in charge to help us but chose to
fill their pockets get whats coming to them in the long run.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 28 May 2009

Jim, who are you talking to. There are no threads in awhile under safety
from a 30 plus engineer.

I don't believe anything should be swept under the rug. The accident
never should have occurred. Since 2002 the FRA, unions and carriers
have allowed remote operations in a unsafe and maverick style program.
I truly believe all three are responsible for this death. I won't say
it all again, but you can go back to when this site begin and see my
post and how I stand on safety and remotes. They will be posted under
the name Z and Allman Brothers. 

The unions are out of touch with the men in the trenches and don't
care about us.

The carriers flat out only think about profits and would rather
sacrifice safety and lives in lieu of sinking money back into making
safe working conditions. 

The FRA allowed remotes to begin with, with safety stats that were self
reported by the carriers.

I don't know who you were talking too, but I gave you my dime.

Name: Jim from Selkirk
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 28 May 2009

loco30+ - i dont understand your attitude you want this swept under the
rug? If it was your asS hanging on that coupler your family would be
screaming for corporate accountability and a Safety Strike would be
right at the top of the list along with a huge FELA lawsuit and your
local would be supporting you. Our local is talking Safety Strike every
day so i guess your your local doesnt really care much which is typical
of locals like yours and is why nothing ever happens and the union has
a hard time getting snubs to stand up and walk a picket line. you have
a selfish local buddie stick your head in the sand and dont get
involved except to bash the ones that do on this site. yeah i read too
my first time here and i see you post a lot of negative stuff about the
safety strke and you sound like a weasel company man are you?. the
international is going to call a nationwide safety strike were not the
only road having our people murdered but then you and your kind dont
really care about others huh.

Name: lemon head
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 28 May 2009

in june the hours of service law will kick in and help right???

Name: 
E-mail: mikewardisgay@gmail.com
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 28 May 2009

i wont be holding my breath waiting on a strike, i know that much.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 28 May 2009

One would think that if there is talk about a railroad strike then it
would be all over other forums and talk about one would be rampant at
work.  There's no talk around here...just on this website.  I think
someone is having "wishfull thinking."

Name: 
E-mail: mikewardisgay@gmail.com
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 28 May 2009

Jim @ Selkirk:
Glad to hear that things are still being looked into up there in
Selkirk!!! I thought maybe CSX had sucessfully silenced everyone and it
was back to business as usual....
I agree, this death was a murder, period. Its not the first, and if
things keep going as they are it wont be the last.

Name: Jim from Selkirk
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 28 May 2009

Mikewardisgay,

Selkirk is hardly forgotten. Selkirk is the battle cry for a Safety
Strike.  We have had enough of CSX murdering and maiming us. 

CSX has not forgotten Selkirk either - they have at least a dozen
claims guys working on this one, from the Field Investigators to Claims
Directors and the CSX whores in the law department.  Hell, they have
even posted another job for a Claims Super-Spy Master in Albany - for
guess what?  The Selkirk murder. They are scared shitless that their
latest killing in a long series of killings is going to get them into a
Nationwide lockdown by railroad unions. And they should be - because we
are going to strike.  Period. 

Yes, I call CSX murderers.  Why? Because they have prior knowledge that
what they are telling people to do will kill or injure them, they have
the technology and the capital to improve the unsafe working
conditions, they intentionally send men into harms way knowing they
will be killed or injured,  and they dont give a shit. 

CSX - " THE ONLY GOOD RAILROAD MAN, IS A DEAD RAILROAD MAN" 

STRIKE STRIKE STRIKE STRIKE STRIKE STRIKE STRIKE STRIKE STRIKE STRIKE

Name: really don't give a fuck any m
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 1-10 years
Posted: 28 May 2009

Fuck csx let's fucking make them shit in their pants if they have my
ip, good i really don't give a fuck, look! any csx offical can kiss my
fucking ass, and guess what i will continue to make your fucking money
till i have enough to walk out on a job yea that is my plan, and i will
do it you just will not know when, very soon, stay fucking tuned my
friends.

Name: 
E-mail: mikewardisgay@gmail.com
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 28 May 2009

I wouldnt give 2 shits if the carrier could trace my ip (even though i
know its the webmasters data). I use my real email address in my posts
so if they want to trace an ip all they have to do is email me, ill
email right back ;) Fuck Ward, Fuck Ingram, Fuck Brown and Fuck all the
mini Ingrams on the property. 

It is very sad that nothing has been said about the Selkirk accident,
looks like CSX got things silenced pretty good on this one.... business
as usual

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 28 May 2009

Well I think thats the big concern of many who wont post on here.  I've
tried to tell people before that the webmaster is the one who recieves
these IP's but others still think there might be a way CSX can trace
these posts.  I see absolutely no possible way unless the webmaster was
to give it out.  That, or if you told the wrong person your name you
post as on this site.  Either way, I'm still surprised more people
don't express their discontent for this company.  Just about every
trip I go on the same conversations go on about how fucked up things
are.  Oh well, just gonna have to start slapping more stickers on the
locomotives I guess.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 28 May 2009

Hey Lloyd:

Have their IP address traced? Only with the help of the Webmaster and
that's not going to happen either.

Besides, there has to be a public library or internet cafe they could
use. Time to step up to the plate!

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 27 May 2009

Stomp your feet, cry foul go on strike...nothing will change as long as
Ward, Ingram and Brown are running things!

This time last year everyone was singing the praises of TCI and 3G and
what a big improvement they'd see. If there has been an improvement,
nobody has mentioned it and likely won't until those three are gone!

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 27 May 2009

Obviously very few guys in Selkirk either read this site or post out of
fear of getting their IP traced or they are just scared to speak out. 
What a travesty.  One of your own is mauled in between two cars because
of an idiot trainmaster telling him to change a knuckle with an RCO box
on and we have heard a little more than a peep from anyone from that
yard.  Yet another prime example of guys not coming together on a HUGE
problem with this company.  Cover up the evidence and make it look like
it was his fault.  Thats the motto isn't it Bob and Tony?  Please,
please enlighten us as to what is going on up there or what you men in
that yard have done.

Name: Charlie
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 27 May 2009

I hear that the International has decided to call a nationwide safety
strike. 

Labor day is the target date.

Hopefully they will also file lawsuits to stop unsafe working
conditions.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 27 May 2009

Hello Selkirk...come in:

Jerod Boehlke died on May 10th. There was a lot of discussion until he
was buried, nothing since except a lot of talk about a safety strike.
We all know the official story...what's the real story.

Seems as though we have derailed arguing about a safety strike and
other remedies. We need to get back on track and focus on the only
issue, which is why Jerod died.

Bring us up to date and maybe that will help us refocus!

Name: Mad Crapper
E-mail: 
Employed as: Car repair, for 1-10 years
Posted: 26 May 2009

I heard that carman M.Meadows let B.Hinds give him one up the coal chute
at the ColonWood car shop restroom. B.Hinds.... how fitting!

Name: SD70Ace
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 26 May 2009

rick buse hey man u get yours, we dont even have a furlough board lol. 
Is the CSX Labor Day shut down system wide or just in select areas?

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 25 May 2009

HELLO FELLAS I WANTED TO KNOW IF ANY CONDUCTORS or engineers HAVE
DELIVERED COAL TO KINDER MORGAN IN NEWPORT NEWS VIRGINIA?

WHO FIXES THE TRACK ON THEIR PROPERTY AND CAN I HAVE SOME INSIGHT ON
THE PEOPLE WHO WORK THERE? anything would be apreciated, and good luck
out there rail roaders it's tough, thanks.

Name: All TORE UP
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 25 May 2009

Man, 
    I really am all tore up! Working for CSX has done cost me my home,
my truck, my wife and kids, and today.....My friggin' dog ran away! He
left a note that said he did'nt want to be hangin' with no furloughed
railroad man! Just when you think it can't get any worse. I hate CSX!
I really do miss my dog!

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 25 May 2009

Hey Brakey <1:

Still confused are you? Well you aren't the first nor will you be
last. Give the RRB a call:

          http://www.rrb.gov/general/contact_us.asp

Maybe they can enlighten you...good luck!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 25 May 2009

To rick buse when you do get back to work every time you get first out
were gonna kick you, so hell i guess make as much as you can man cause
when you leave the furloughed board you'll not make another dime.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 25 May 2009

Im still a little confused I was not elgiable last year

Name: rick buse
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 24 May 2009

Sd70ACE,
 No! You are wrong! This is my real name. I just took another call
today. I do not give 2 shits about seniority or furlows. I am getting
mines! You are a idiot. Haha haha I don't care! screw all the furlowed
guys that gots age on me. I do not care about them! HAHAHA everytime I
take a call, I laugh at the 30 people that got called and didnt take
the call. Screw all you furlowed guys with age on me. I don't care
about that crap. I'm gettin mine! Hahahaha

Name: Sd70Ace
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 24 May 2009

Lloyd yes i did miss the sarcasm i do not even know who buse is though
it was just a random name, but if anybody needs to not be drinking and
posting is your dumb ass.  so how about you kick my ass and get a life
instead of sitting at the computer drinking and posting.  go a head and
kiss my ass while you at it.

Name: 
E-mail: mikewardisgay@gmail.com
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 24 May 2009

Heh, Russell is in the newspaper due to CSX furloughing 140 people, but
them dumbasses been roster callin since Thursday. Its so nice to be
able to pick up the phone and say "NOPE AINT INTERESTED, maybe you
should call one of the 15 train masters they got and see if they are
interested........."

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 24 May 2009

RRj you dont know what your talking about at russell conductors dont
have to take a call, you can even ansewer and say no,  unless its your
job and your turn, no one can force you to step up, also cut back
engineers cant be forced to step up to run a engine they do cause they
want to make as much as they can I agree with conductor 1-10 there suck
asses.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 24 May 2009

Hey Brakey <1:

July 1 is the start of the new fiscal year for RR unemployment.

Unless things have changed, you have to have 4 quarters on the RR to
be eligible for RR unemployment. Until then you have to claim in the
state you lived or paid into, which is also usually 4 quarters

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 24 May 2009

Only qualified employees can receive benefits under the Railroad
Unemployment Insurance Act. A new benefit year begins every July 1. To
qualify for benefits in a benefit year, you must have creditable
railroad earnings in the preceding calendar year (base year), counting
no more than a certain amount in any month. In addition, a new employee
must have railroad service in at least 5 months of his or her first year
of work in order to be eligible for benefits in the following benefit
year.

The amount of earnings needed to qualify for benefits in a benefit year
depends on the monthly compensation base in the base year. An employee
is required to have base year earnings of not less than 2- 1/2 times
the monthly compensation base applicable to months in that base year.
As the monthly compensation base increases, the amount of compensation
needed to qualify for benefits also increases.

Example:

Benefit Year Beginning — July 1, 2005

Earnings Needed in Base Year — $2,825.00 in 2004 (2 1/2 x $1,130.00 =
$2,825.00). If 2004 was your first year of railroad work, you must also
have railroad service in 5 months in 2004.

In this example, $1,130.00 is the monthly compensation base for base
year 2004. The monthly compensation base for base year 2005 is
$1,150.00. Contact your local RRB field office if you need information
about the monthly compensation base for other years.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 24 May 2009

Whats with this july 1st crap? will we start getting umemployment?

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 24 May 2009

Settle down there fella.  If you are working where men are doing that
than I don't blame you one bit for taking calls off the furlough
board.  I'm also not against guys doing it for insurance purposes and
if you are at a yard where everyone on the furlough board is doing it
anyways.  I just think taking those calls isn't doing this company
anything but a favor while they are screwing you because they know they
could add extra turns on the board.  Not everyone out there will stab
you in the back and not everyone turns their rest days off and works
like there is no tomorrow. You do what you gotta do to feed your family
and that is your business so lets leave it at that.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 23 May 2009

…..and to add to my last post. No, I’m not at all concerned about
whether or not CSX calls me back in short order. Driving dump trailer
Monday – Friday aint all that bad. If CSX calls me on the weekends I
only take the ride and glide good shit. Any of the freight pool or RCO
yard shit can go straight to the 11:59er scabs that work there full
time.

Not worried one bit about my back when I get re-called either. Talk all
you want because it’s all you got. When something really does go bad
around this place I can always count on my “brothers” to point fingers
and run for the hills. I see everyone is back at work in Selkirk like
nothing ever happened. 

What a joke…and I am laughing too….but certainly not for those that
really get screwed here.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 23 May 2009

Everybody here is on a man’s case for taking calls off of a furlough
list. What about the guys that aint furloughed? What are they doing to
help brothers on the street get their job back? All I see is everyone
turn off their rest day and take road calls off of a yard list or vice
versa. The only time you see anyone hold their bump is on a holiday
weekend like this. Then they turn around and tell someone else not to
work.

Bottom line is that the contract work rules are what they are. If I’m
furloughed it’s my right to accept or decline work as I please. Just
like someone else has the right to bump me for whatever reason they see
fit. I don’t ask for no mercy so don’t plan on getting any from me.

Be damned if I take any orders from some other puke that works here.
The guys that complain about this the most are the biggest
backstabbers.

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 23 May 2009

Ok Sd70ace I've been drinkin the fire water again but in case you
haven't noticed ole aka Rick Buse is using a bit of sarcasm in his
self proclaimed letter to CSX-sucks my friend. If you honest to god did
not get the sarcasm then you don't need to post anymore until you are
drug free or off the Budweiser. I'm sitting here hoping you don't
actually believe its him.

As for the guys in Russell taking the calls, I've never seen so many
guys who were out for themselves in my life.  I understand you have to
do what you have to do to survive in this world, but there also comes a
time in hanging up the god damn phone instead of being a fucking hero. I
have a lot of respect for the men in Russell but there are plenty there
who will do whatever it takes to make a fucking dollar.  Even while
your own union rep tells you to take that call while you are furloughed
to keep that insurance just remember in the long run you'll never know
if what you are doing is right or wrong.

As for everyone else...if you are working keep your eyes open and your
nose clean.  CSX is out to trim that fat and if you are pounding big
mac's and double whoppers then you better start eating the grilled
chicken sandwich (if you know what I mean).  One big mishap by you and
its off with your chinny chin chin.  Thats the luxury of having so many
men laid off.  Surely they will come to the rescue as soon as you make
one minor mistake.

Hopefully all you guys out there working alone on Rco's learned a
lesson with the death of Jerod Boehlke.  This company could give two
shits about you and its starting to become more obvious by the day.  If
you were stupid enough to not realize it before this incident then
hopefully you have woke up by now.  This man's life will never be in
vein and I'll risk my own job making sure it happens.  Fuck all you
bastards in the process of trying to make it look like it was his fault
and trying to hold yourself unaccountable and not at fault for this
tragedy.  We will never forget this event and YOU will be held
accountable soon enough for what you have done. Hope you are sleeping
sound on your pillow tonight...it will not last forever. Rest in peace
Jerod, I never knew you but I'll never forget how this company robbed
you of a long life with your daughter and your family.  Its sad that it
takes a death to make a change in the rule book instead of pure common
sense.

Name: SD70Ace
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 23 May 2009

rick buse I can understand where you are coming from as far as being
furloughed but you are part of the problem.  With guys like you the
company has no need to rush and call people back because they can rely
on you.  And being called back is based on seniority so doesn't matter
how many calls you take it will not help how quickly you get called
back, as long as their are people ahead of u.  you are hurting yourself
as well because since the company can use u like you are on the extra
board and not pay you guarantee you are hurting just as bad.  You will
be home just as long as anyone else, then when you get back to work you
will have none of your fellow employees to have your back.  Thats on u.

Name: rick buse
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 23 May 2009

My name is Rick Buse and I been furlowed. I ain't been out here a year
yet. No body likes me cuz I take every call I can git. There is alot of
people furlowed in pesacola, but fuck'em. I'm gittin mines. My best
friend PC White told me to take every call I get and they will call me
back to work faster. He is a BLE local chief so He knows how it works.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 23 May 2009

Why dont you post some of the names of people doing the carrier favors,
that way those of us on the huntington division know as well ;)
Hard to change 4 flats after a round trip to elk run

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 23 May 2009

To all the guys at Russell stepping up to help the company I hope your
making plenty of money while 81 of sit at home, most not able to draw
anything till july 1. I'll remember who you are, and also why don't
you all just apply for management jobs since your so concerned with
doing CSX favors you greedy non union acting suck asses, your the
reason why our unions are week.

Name: Safety Strike
E-mail: www.safetyStrike.com
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 30+ years
Posted: 23 May 2009

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 23 May 2009

This post is so silly ....WE do not have to use CSX, and on and
on. If he had Money in the business he worked for he would not be trash
talking.
****************************************************************

Dump CSX for safety violations?   Absolutely. SAFETY STRIKE!!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 23 May 2009

This post is so silly makes me want to puke. Comes from a clerk that has
no idea how the railroad works, just want's to put his piece in the pie
while he sit's at his desk and thinks what can I say that sounds good
to these folks. Take a look at the Name Dump CSX that says it all. Our
Company is really their Company, WE do not have to use CSX, and on and
on. If he had Money in the business he worked for he would not be trash
talking.


Name: Dump CSX
E-mail: 
Employed as: CSX Customer, for N/A
Posted: 22 May 2009

Our company still uses CSX, but not for long with everything that is
going on.  Our company has strict safety standards which if they are
not followed you are terminated.

Knowing a few people that work for CSX, there own safety trainers
aren't even listened to when they see saftey issues.  And they are
told to explain the procedures, but also say, We don't do it that way
because it takes too much time, this is how we want you to do it. Why
were the safety barrier around the maintence pit never put up even
though CSX was cited?  Why were saftey harnesses only available after
an employee falls and gets injured?

Who was the genius that humped the methonl tanker that caused a hugh
fire?  If CSX thinks their customers aren't watching, they are going
to be very suprised when they start losing them.

CSX is in it for the money, they don't care if people get hurt as
long
as the trains keep moving.  We don't have to use CSX, so we are
looking
to change to another carrier.  We are not afraid to tell them why they
are being terminated.

It was mighty nice that they gave our company a safety award, but they
should follow their customers lead.

I can see why the posts on this site are so heated.  We are talking
about people's lives.  If the company, unions and FRA are all in bed
together, how can the employees ever hope for bttter working
conditions.

Do what you guys need to do to get a safe working environment.

Name: robofuq
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 22 May 2009

CSX safety news for the week of May 18, 2009.  Two fellow CSXT employees
were fatally injured in the performance of their duties last week.  On
May 10 at 1838 hours, a conductor was fatally injured in Selkirk, NY. 
The employee was working a single man RCO assignment, and was in the
process of coupling up a cut of 25 cars.  Between the 7th and 8th cars,
the employee found a knuckle missing and replaced it.  Then, as the
employee was in the process of making the coupling,  he was struck by
the movement.  The employee was 33 years old with eight years of
service.  ??????????????????????????????????? This was posted today on
the bulletin board, directly above Mr. Boehlke's obituary.

Name: 
E-mail: fitzgerald ga
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 22 May 2009

In Fitzgerald Ga. we have a safety team that goes to every u t u meeting
so that they can be sure to stay in C S X SAFETY PROGRAM WELL WHY NOT
THEY GET OFF ABOUT SIX DAYS A MONTH WITH $265.00 a day to do
nothing.the local chairman is also on the safety payroll. as long as
the U T U keeps doing this nothing is going to change  I AM SURE THIS
LIKELY GOES ON OVER THE ENTIRE SYSTEM.if this was working I WOULD BE
ALL FOR IT BUT IT IS NOT.JUST TOO MANY U T U PEOPLE ON C S X PAYROLL
attend your next meeting vote this out untill c s x makes a
change.HANCOCK IS A CROOK LOOK HOW HE HANDLED OUR SITUATION WITH OUR EX
LOCAL CHAIRMAN VANHORNE.GET OUT OF THE U T U JOIN UP WITH THE ENGINEERS
MAKE ONE UNION FOR ALL.

Name: SD70Ace
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 22 May 2009

It may not be you, but many folks rather blame the carrier who i agree
is at fault while letting the unions off.  We need to focus more on the
union.  I think that will kill to birds with one stone.  1, by making
them accountable, and 2, in return making them reprsent use they way
they are suppose to and sticking it to the carrier.  Taking on the
Carrier will not be as effective since they have our union on their
side.

Name: 
E-mail: mikewardisgay@gmail.com
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 22 May 2009

I dont think anyone is letting off the union off.....i hold the unions
(both) the carrier, the fra and the ntsb responsible for half the shit
that goes on within this company.


Anyhow, why hasnt any upper management folks emailed me, yall hurted my
feelings....fags.

Name: SD70Ace
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 22 May 2009

Lloyd I understand your point but my point over is you are the one that
choose to pay to get hired.  I know that i would not have done that.  I
have no idea where i would have even gotten that money, but to sit and
still foam about it will do no good.  It was wrong i agree and yes it
smells bad but you are not getting that money back so let it go and
lets focus on change that we can bring.  As far as the pay i agree with
you 100% but its that the company?  I think not.....its the union.  The
UTU should have taken care of that along time ago but they choose not
too.  And now they want everyone to think they are truly fighting to
get ride of the unfair pay scale during a recession when the company is
trying to cut spending in every area they can.  The company raised folks
to 100% based on the agreement the made with the UTU at the time.  We
like to fault CSX for a lot of the issues we have now, but is it really
CSX??  Can we fault a big corporation for doing what they do?  What
about the ones that was suppose to protect of from the big bad
corporation?  Why is it we blame CSX a lot of times when give the UTU a
free pass?   Its time to hold the UTU accountable for what they have
allowed over the years.  That's what needs to be done.  Maybe if we
put some pressure on them, they will have our best interest at hearts
again.  If not maybe its time to fined a new union.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 22 May 2009

thank you very much for the input wildman, the type of jobs that i was
looking at with kinder morgan were:
maintenance man, compared to(csx freight cart repair)
facility worker, compared to (csx track worker)
loader, compared to (csx heavy equipment operator)
machinist, compared to (csx machinist), and i also think that kinder
morgan is a non union if i am not mistaken, just wanted to know who
would i be better off.  i do not know if any one on this site has any
one that works or knows of kinder morgan.  I also know this web site
says CSX sucks but it could be worth a try, any inputs will be greatly
apreciated. thanks railroaders!

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 22 May 2009

SD70

That has absolutely NOTHING to do with the olheads.  It has to do with
how one minute people are paying over 4 thousand to go to Railroad U
and the next minute its back to being free again.  Getting on with this
company for free is how it should have always been and thats the bottom
line.  You don't agree that something smells bad here?  It kind of
goes hand in hand with our working percentages and how when some got
hired on they worked for only 2 or 3 months and then got bumped to 100
percent while guys who had been working for 4 or 5 years were still
trying to earn that and then got put on the same pay scale as guys who
had just been on for under a year! And I also think a lot more people
read this site than we all know.  A lot of them probably just don't
know how to put into words how they feel about the situation or just
like reading it for shits and giggles.  As for a lot of guys not
caring, you are probably right and thats part of the problem.  We wont
ever get anything changed until we all care about whats going on.

Name: Safety Strike
E-mail: Safety Strike.com
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 30+ years
Posted: 22 May 2009

I agree that there are many issues for which to strike, and that a
SAFETY STRIKE is only one, and by itself would have to be sanctioned,
planned & organized by the International in order for it to be
extremely successful. 

A SAFETY STIKE is the only way we will get the issue addressed on a
fast trac with a productive outcome,  so it is critical that there
actaully be a nationwide SAFETY STRIKE - not just talk about one.  

What I do not agree with is the inaction of the International to call
for a Safety Strike and bring the matter front and center to the
National bully pulpit with both the Executive and Congressional
branches of the federal government.  

This is not a 'case at a time" issue, to be dealt with locally behind
closed doors. Safetly is a MAJOR PARAMOUNT and continuing PROBLEM WITH
RAILROADS - unsafe working conditions must be stopped and corrected
once and for all. No ifs, ands, or buts. SAFETY STRIKE.

Railroad safety is a Civil Rights issue - it is the Constitutional
right of every RR worker to be free of an injurious and inherently
unsafe work place. If we can spend trillions to bail out white collar
wall street, we can spend to ensure the complete 100% safety of ALL
railroad workers - not just the ones in shiney corporate offices. 

We are not simply inanimate objects that can be irresponsbily mis-used,
maimed and killed,  and then cavalierly tossed onto the inhumane garbage
heap of the railroad human waste dump. 

A safe work environment is a constitutional right. RR workers have the
absolute right, as does every other citizen in this country, to live
and work free of the fear of being subjected to horribly unsafe working
conditions.  Our working conditions are inhumane, and they have got to
be corrected.  NOW.   

Safety is the number #1 priority. There is no legal, moral, political
or financial arguement that trumps Safety. None. We are talking about
the priceless sanctity of human life - surely, even a railroader is
worthy to live a life free from work related disability and death,  no
more and no less than the executive who works in his or her  quiet,
plushly furnished,  air conditioned office in a completely and totally
safe carpeted work environment.  

The RR can steal a dollar from me, and I will be angry at being robbed.
The RR can incompetently mis-manage and harass me and I will be angry at
their indifferent agression, but I will keep working and I will keep
addressing those greivances.  However, THE RAILROAD HAS ABSOLUTELY NO
RIGHT TO INJURE OR KILL ME. The railroads can take my wages and they
can question my productivity, but I will be damned if they can take my
life.  That is the line drawn in the sand. 

Safety is the number one issue, before wages, benefits, or incompetent
management. It always has been - it was the major catalyst for the
creation of railroad unions to begin with, and we are still having to
address major grievances in the area of safety almost two centuries
later.    

The present lack of a completely safe working environment on the
railroad is inexcusable. It is the direct and absolute result of
pre-historic draconian accounting rules and principles, vastly
out-dated Darwinian capitalist economic theory, corrupt Machievallian
based management style, and the insidious railroad structured class
system of white collar workers and blue collar workers. 

It is ironic that we can all go to the same churchs and pray to the
same God, but one class cannnot bring themselves to give the other
class the common moral & ethical decency of life without the fear of
premature death or crippling injury at the work place. Where is the
Christian in that?   

Safety costs money, of course. To fix all the safety problems the
Railroads face would cost billions.   RR companies do not run their
operations base on the Bible, they live and die on the 'bottom line'.
 Under the old system, they have no viable alternative but to run
business as usual, which means supporting a class system and slashing
costs (like safety improvements) in order to make it all work according
to Hoyle. They are driven to compete, mad with greed, blinded by
indifference - for them, it is compete or die. Which is why railroads
are loathe to spend money if it is not making them money.  They would
just as soon kill you than spend a dime on ANYTHING related to safety -
its cheaper to kill or main you and then replace you, than it is to make
it safe for you. Without the dismally few laws we have in place, and
without sympathetic public opinion to help protect us, under the
presently archaic rules of finance and economic productivity that force
the mindless goose steps of corporate directors, the railroads would be
grinding out a gastly mill of maimed, crushed and diseased bodies.  

This is the 'old way', and it is on its way out.   

The old way has been crushed to smitherins. There is a new Movement
that is being driven by the vast majority of the General Public. It is
an inevitable change amoung people's attitudes about how we live and
work. Railroads have not yet realized that fundamental change is here -
it is in fact pounding at their door. Sooner or later they will have to
change - either voluntarily or dragged kicking and screaming through
the door.  For the first time in over 150 years we have in place a
federal government that finally sees its not just about the money.
Other businesses know it. They see it. They have had to change with it.
They will continue to change with it.  

Railroad companies are unbelievably slow to adapt to significant change
in the way they operate. As usual, the Unions will have to light a fire
under their comfortable soft lilly white tushes to get them to make a
critical long term decision.  This is not a negotiation.  It is a
requirement - 100% safe working conditions for ALL railroad workers.
NOW. Not tomarrow.  NOW.  

There is absolutely no acceptable reason for injuring or killing a RR
worker in this day and age. None.  The tools and technology are
available to make our work environment 100% completely safe. Bottom
line is the Railroads dont want to spend the money - its cheaper to
kill and injury us, and they do it because under the present system
they are duty bound to uphold the sanctity of the 'bottom line' with
all its outdated and outmoded faults and incompetencies - which
includes cutting "costs", which includes not spending on a
non-revenue producing expense like safety. 

Plans for improving railroad safety - and by necesssity, railroad
infrastructure and equipment - abound. There is no lack of
professionals who could jump in by the thousands at a moments notice. 
There is no lack of ideas out there for achieving vast improvements in
railroad work safety and railroad working environments.  There is only
a lack of will power, a lack of faith that it can be done, a lack of
concern, and therefor an anemic lack of planning, organizing, staffing,
or (most importantly) funding.   

The leaders and innovators of the labor movement have always been
railroad workers, and railroad unions.  We gave the world better wages
and better benefits,  minimum standards for safe working conditions,
and basic civil rights in the work place. That's right. That was us. 

It is long past time we give ourselves a vastly improved safer place to
work.  

Oddly, if the Railroads really thought this whole concept through from
beginning to end,  they would realize that it would be extremely
beneficial to all parties - particularly with regard to the billions in
funding that would flow to the roads to improve safety and working
conditions, improve operations and productivity, and create jobs.   

IN the meantime, I am actively engaging my co-workers for support of a
nationwide safety strike.   
 
SAFETY STRIKE.  

P.S.:  Z,  you obviously have a lot more connections than anyone on
here,  - why dont you contact the International?  Talk to them Z. Post
the results on Sucks for us. Got spunk?

Name: 
E-mail: mikewardisgay@gmail.com
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 22 May 2009

just dont get caught doing, a conductor up north got caught putting a
csx-sucks sticker in the cab and wound up kicking rocks if ya know what
i mean.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 22 May 2009

SD70Ace,

Why don't you print some stickers on you computer and stick them in
the locomotives. The webmaster has a spot on the site where you can do
this. If I worked there, I would. It will at least let people know
about the site.

Name: SD70Ace
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 22 May 2009

LLoyed based on your number 4 then your issue should also be with the
old heads.  They hired on for free too.  I wish everyone would just
shut up about this safety strike stuff!!  It will work as well as the
May 1st sick day lol.  Its not happening just get over it and let it
go.  Nobody outside this site wants to stand up for anything as long as
they are getting paid.  Even the people here posting dont care as much
as they say they do.  If they employees don't give a shit why should
the company, fra, and even the unions care?  The good ole UTU does
nothing and yet everyone keeps paying their dues.  Isn't it time to
change that?  I did my part switching to the BLET and i know they can
be full of shit but it's the lesser of two evils.  The company will do
what they want to us as long as we stay devided, and since no one is
getting the word out beyond this site its not going to work.  I am sure
the vast majority of employees do not even now this site exist, or even
log on here.

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 22 May 2009

Well safety strike I agree with a good majority of your comments but I
can think of a lot more reasons to strike on this company outside of
safety.  I'll give you a list and then you can start making the signs
for us.  After that you let me know when and where you wanna start the
walkout and I'll do my best to get there.

Reasons the men and women at CSX should strike

1. Payroll - Countless men and women of this company are being robbed
every two weeks because of these bastards.  I've never heard of a
company cheating out so many people of a dollar in my entire life.  The
way you even have to input your hours is clearly an advantage for the
company and when they feel like taking some of your extra hard earned
cash..by god they do it.

2. Safety - Not merely a way of life, but more of a second thought as
long as the job gets done on time.  As much as they preach safety you
would think that these idiots would find a more effective way of
getting things accomplished without threatening and intimidating their
own workers.  

3. Harassment - Not the usual kind of harassment we see in normal
companies such as gender and racial issues.  No, this is the kind where
you feel like you need to watch over your shoulder at all times even
while you know you are doing your job right.  The kind where you feel
like you could or will be fired at any point in time a trainmaster is
around you.  If any of you don't feel like this..well maybe you are
just an ass kisser.

4. 4500 for school/Free of charge in ATL only years afterward - Now if
someone shouldn't be held accountable for this action I don't know
who should.  How is it possible that hundreds or thousands of the men
working before this time had to pay in order to get on with this
company and now all of a sudden...ITS FREE!!  Myself and thousands of
others would like to know where our refund is since this training is
free now.

5. Unions - If you think our unions aren't in bed with the carrier you
must be a damn fool.  And personally, if my union is going to take the
side of the company over myself and my co-workers then why am I even
paying dues for it?  What representation do you really get anyways?  If
you fuck up bad enough, you are history..bottom line. 

6. Over-hiring - How many men are on the street because of this idiotic
practice by J-Ville?  How can you justify hiring thousands of guys
because you "thought" a lot of men were going to retire.  Want your
answer- As long as they have enough man power when "they" need it,
CSX could really care less how long you are laid off.  Its something
that has been going on for years and probably wont stop for the next 20
years.  Something to strike over...not sure but its enough to make you
question who makes those calls and if someone should be held
accountable.

7. Poor Management and OVERPAID Execs - These people are the biggest
factor in all that is wrong the company we work for and to be honest
one of the biggest factors in what is wrong with our economy.  Greedy
CEO's and top tier management with no sense of how to run a company. 
The main focus for them is keeping the stock holder happy instead of
the men who are out there working for them.  Then you have the all
might trainmaster...who in some cases tries to act like he is on your
side but then throws a knife in your back the minute you turn around. 
The majority..which I'd say has to be at least 80 percent of them
couldn't switch cars with a lionel train set much less a class 1
railroad yard.  Add that, zero time on the tracks as a conductor or
engineer and you get a recipe for disaster.

All in all most of these problems could definitely be fixed without
going on strike.  The problem is no one will step up to fix them so its
probably going to be left up to us if we want to change what is going
on.  Our unions only have so much power and in my opinion they don't
have much ground to stand on anymore so where does that leave us when
we can't stand coming to work anymore?  I guess its either quit and
take the risk of finding something else or stand up together and do
something about it.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 22 May 2009

Fire at East Syracuse rail yard
Updated: 05/21/2009 07:23 AM
By: Web Staff
http://news10now.com/content/top_stories/472481/fire-at-east-syracuse-rail-yard/Default.aspx

 EAST SYRACUSE, N.Y. -- Fire crews are investigating a fire at a CSX
rail yard in East Syracuse. Onondaga County 911 says it started just
before 4 a.m. Thursday along the tracks along East First Street.

Crews are trying to find out if the fire started on the ground or on
one of the rail cars.

We'll have any new information for you as it comes into our

Name: Rube
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 22 May 2009

But seriously.......I really do hate CSX. I want to beat the crap out of
any official I see. All these puss-boy trainmasters they got running
around that don't know jack sqaut. I seriously need to get on some
good meds before I snap and start whacking these bastards. I honestly
want CSX to die!

Name: Dump CSX
E-mail: 
Employed as: CSX Customer, for N/A
Posted: 22 May 2009

Our company still uses CSX, but not for long with everything that is
going on.  Our company has strict safety standards which if they are
not followed you are terminated.

Knowing a few people that work for CSX, there own safety trainers
aren't even listened to when they see saftey issues.  And they are
told to explain the procedures, but also say, We don't do it that way
because it takes too much time, this is how we want you to do it. Why
were the safety barrier around the maintence pit never put up even
though CSX was cited?  Why were saftey harnesses only available after
an employee falls and gets injured?

Who was the genius that humped the methonl tanker that caused a hugh
fire?  If CSX thinks their customers aren't watching, they are going
to be very suprised when they start losing them.

CSX is in it for the money, they don't care if people get hurt as long
as the trains keep moving.  We don't have to use CSX, so we are looking
to change to another carrier.  We are not afraid to tell them why they
are being terminated.

It was mighty nice that they gave our company a safety award, but they
should follow their customers lead.

I can see why the posts on this site are so heated.  We are talking
about people's lives.  If the company, unions and FRA are all in bed
together, how can the employees ever hope for bttter working
conditions.

Do what you guys need to do to get a safe working environment.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 May 2009

Safety Strike Sam,

You are assuming again. I never said anything about getting the
internationals permission, although without their permission you will
find it hard to organize such a strike. I stated it would have to be
done correctly. Again you talk the talk, but no one has seen you walk
the walk. The deaths and maiming have to be stopped. Just merely
walking, will not solve anything. Come on Sam your smarter than that.
We have already had this conversation.

By using the term correctly, I mean to accomplish the goals. That means
having a lot of people organized to accomplish the goals. In reality
people are not hitting a picket line because Sam says so. They are not
walking because a LC says walk. Local Union officials are scared to
even talk about a strike unless sanctioned by the international. The
last man to have the guts to call a strike was a GC on the CN in
Canada. If you go to Running Trades, you can read about that one. Also
remember Canada is much more liberal than the USA and the public is
more sympathetic to strikers.

No matter how you slice it, problems concerning safety will not be
solved over night and you will never make the carriers admit to wrong
doings involving safety. As long as profits are involved, money wins
the battle in corporate America. There would be no safety programs on
railroads, if the government did not mandate such programs. It is
politically correct to put up a front for safety.
Sam, do you check your chair at home every time you sit down? I would
assume this is a CSX rule. If it is, the only reason it's in the book
is to protect the assets of CSX if you get hurt when sitting down. They
aren't looking after the employee, the are trying to limit their
liability if someone gets hurt in a defective chair. They probably have
a rule about chairs, but they don't have a rule that before going in
between equipment on a RCO job that says a employee will either isolate
the locomotive or turn the generator field switch to the off position.

Sam, why don't you tell us how you intend to organize this safety
strike. I will be the first one to come hold a picket sign for you.
Tell us exactly what goals we are going to accomplish, how they will be
met, how you intend to force the carriers to live up to your goals and
how you intend to protect the employees that wildcat after CSX fires
them. You have spunk Sam, but it takes more than spunk or just saying
safety strike.

Name: Safety Strike
E-mail: SafetyStrike.com
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 May 2009

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 May 2009

Safety Strike(Sam),

I accomplish things every day. I also know how corrupt the system is.
That doesn't keep me from doing what I can. I agree with the safety
strike, all you have to do is read all my post. It has to be done
correctly to be effective.
*****************************************************************

If you do it "correctly",  a strike is not possible unless called by
the Union. The Union is spineless.  They would sell your soul to the
devil for a nickel's worth of dues.   'Correctly' is by the
'rules".  The 'rules' are screwing us black and blue. Screw the
rules. We strike. We dont need a contract to give us a right that is
guaranteed by the First Amendment to the Constitution.  We strike. 
Period. We call a Safety Strike and we drive a stake into the Heartless
Beast, until the murdering demon screams and dies. 

Can we strike successfully?  Yes. Absolutely.  Why? Because our issue
of safety is a just one, it is a morally right one. We are not asking
for money.  We are asking for a basic human right - to be free from
injury and death on the job.  

'Moral Certainty' is no longer a viable economic concept. Companies
can no longer live and die by historical economic principals, including
the concept that employees are nothing more than costs to be rid of and
dumped whenever possible. The old system is dead.   Corporations can no
longer hide behind archaic 'economic justifications'. The marketplace
has not just outgrown the old system - it has crushed it.  Trillion
dollar injections are just the beginining. Call them whatever you want
- bailouts, buyouts, asset equalization funds, removal of toxic
assets.....whatever.  All this points in one direction - a new system
is emerging. A new system where we MUST have a contract to protect us
from injury or illness.   

I am not saying to strike and cripple the economy.  No. We strike to
bring public and government attention to the horribly unsafe working
conditions on the railroads, and we strike to obtain the money needed
to improve working conditions to the point needed to COMPLETELY stop
the injuries and the killings. There is no such thing as an
'acceptable" threshhold for RR injuries and killings. The ONLY
threshold acceptable is ZERO. Zero injuries, and zero killings.   

The ONLY way we are going to get RR injuries and deaths to stop, is to
call a Safety Strike, and have a plan of action to end RR injuries and
deaths. 

Carriers can not keep injuring and killing us - such abusive animosity
does not fit in any way with the new system.  It wont fly. They cant
get any milk from half a cow. Wont work.  The injuries and the killings
have to stop. Period.  

Stop the trains, stop the clock, stop economic activity. Safety Strike.
 Time stands still. People take note of legitimate concerns.  

We need to call the attention to the injuries and the killings on the
railroad.  We need to stop it. COMPLETETLY stop it. 

If Congress has the presence of mind to save Wallstreet, they have the
presence of mind to put a stop to railroad injuries and deaths.    

The powers that be can fire everyone, call out the national guard, hire
scabs, work the management ranks on union jobs. None of it will work. 
None. No one can stop from happening what is Right. What is right is
stopping the injuries and the killings.  It is morally right, ethically
right, and economically right. It is the ONLY solution.  

Injuries and killings on the railroad can NEVER be justified. Ever.
Irradicating railroad injuries and deaths is the only path and it is
the Right path.   

SAFETY STRIKE.  No more RCO deaths. No more injuries, no more deaths. 
We have had enough.

Name: SAFETY STRIKE
E-mail: www.SafetyStrike.com
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 May 2009

The Harriman award is horseshit.  So is Norfolk Southern. This is like
the awards dinner for the whore who has the least amount of syphlis.
They are all dangerous, and they will all put you un-necessarily in
harms way and kill or injure without so much as a  second thought.   

Norfolk Southern treats their employees like garbage. They cover up
work injuries, just like all the other railroads - they are not called
the 'Nazi Southern" by the rank and file for nothing.

Let's see - did they account for those subs hired to do RR work, who
were killed and injured on the job on rr property? Nope. 

When the unions allow scabs in the back door as "contractors", does
the union complain?  Hell no.  The unions allow the contractor scabs to
work for the Nazi Southern. Special deals and special contracts abound. 
So does pay-ola. 

What happens when an idiot, arabic speaking scab gets coupled up  while
latching his rig to a pig?  Nothing.  No report, no accident, no injury,
no death. Never happened. Off the books. 

As for dues paying NS employees, what about those lost fingers, total
hearing losses, lung and brain cancers, and OTJ heart attacks?  What
about those carpel tunnel cases, broken legs, crushed hands, and neck
and back injuries. Do they get reported as work injuries?  Nope.   Do
most get reported at all?  Nope. 

They can take the Harriman Award and shove it up their collective
asses.  They kill us and injure us, then pat themselves on the back for
a job well done. 

And last, but not least, the FRA reports 77,000+ injuries and deaths by
all RR carriers.   SOMEBODY IS LYING, AND IT AINT THE FRA.  

The Nazi Southern. Hitler rises from the ashes to claim a "safety"
award amongst his psychopathic demented lackeys.  

What a fucking joke.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 21 May 2009

The bridesmaid again...imagine that. It isn't lookin' to good this
year either. Hey Tony, how's it feel to eat the Dark Horse's dust
again. What's this 4 or 5 years in a row?

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 21 May 2009

Norfolk Southern again wins gold for safety record
http://hamptonroads.com/2009/05/norfolk-southern-again-wins-gold-safety-record
NORFOLK

For the 20th year in a row, Norfolk Southern Corp. took top honors in
an annual competition recognizing safety achievements by the nation's
railroads.

Among the biggest U.S. railroads, the Norfolk-based company again won
the gold medal in the E.H. Harriman Awards with the best safety record
in 2008. CSX Transportation took silver, and Union Pacific Railroad the
bronze.

"Over the years, our employees have become the leaders of our safety
process," Mark Manion, executive vice president and chief operating
officer at Norfolk Southern, said in an e-mail. "Their safety
achievement reflects our corporate culture. It is instilled in each of
us at Norfolk Southern to make safety our number-one priority every
day."

U.S. Secretary of Transportation Ray LaHood honored the winners
Wednesday at a ceremony in Washington, D.C.

Norfolk Southern competed with the largest line-haul railroads, those
whose employees worked 15 million employee hours or more.

Last year, the company reported 298 "cases" - the sum of deaths,
injuries and occupational illnesses - occurring during more than 63.4
million employee hours, or hours worked by its employees, according to
Federal Railroad Administration data. The company reported one death,
295 injuries and two occupational illnesses, for a total rate of 0.94
per 200,000 employee-hours worked.

CSX Transportation, the second-place winner, reported 369 cases
occurring during 65 million employee hours. CSX reported four deaths,
363 injuries and two occupational illnesses, for a rate of 1.13.

Harriman winners are selected by a committee of representatives from
the transportation field and are granted on the basis of the lowest
casualty rates per 200,000 employee-hours, according to a statement by
the railroad association. All data is documented by the Federal
Railroad Administration.

Robert McCabe, (757) 446-2327, robert.mccabe@pilotonline.com

Name: 
E-mail: mikewardisgay@gmail.com
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 21 May 2009

Well looks like the CSX cover up of the tragedy in Selkirk is working,
havent heard a peep out of any fra or union spokesperson.
Dont know about the rest of you boys, but i am about ready to call it
quits and snatch one of these officials up by the collar as a farewell
present to myself.
Frula? Setser? Zeiger? there are alot to choose from on the huntington
division

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 21 May 2009

Hey Z:

Just to follow up...it's not going to be quick or easy which ever way
you go. It will take hard work and absolute solidarity across craft and
union membership for the workers to be taken seriously and reach the
objective. Which is to determine why men are dying and who is
responsible.

I don't personally think there needs to be any more statutory
regulation than we already have. We need to know why CSX isn't
following their own operating rules and the standards the FRA mandated,
which the carriers helped write and agreed to. Self 
regulation isn't working and more government regulation and oversight
might be necessary.

Daylight is still the best cure. The railroads are like Dracula,
neither can stand the light of day! Hearings before Congress would be
enlightening. Watching these executives testify, under oath, why they
can't comply with a Congressional Subpoena to produce documents such
as tapes, would be most amusing. Besides, just thinking about
Ward and Ingram testifying makes my thingy twitch.

Yes the political system in this country leaves a great deal to be
desired, but it's all we have. The mass media is more interested in
shock value than true issues, I will cite the octomom and Farrah as
recent examples. A few autopsy pictures will provide plenty of shock
value!

Son of Sam stated "...By the time you get around to even coming close
to proving anything, CSX will have move light years
beyond the issue." He's right, but only if we let them...and only
until the next man dies.

Additionally he states, "Congress is not going to do anything.  Have
they yet?" The answer is no, simply because we haven't asked them to
do anything yet. If we fail to take action now, we'll be as guilty as
the carrier the next time.

Safety Strike states, "You cant get media, congressional and national
public awareness of the utterly pathetic unsafe working conditions on
railroads like CSX by merely discussing it on this site, or writing
letters." The working conditions are not the issue here...the issue is
why people are dying during remote operations. The public perception
will be, if the working conditions are that bad, why do you stay? There
must be a narrow focus on one issue. The
other issues will be exposed during testimony.

Additionally, the House and Senate subcommittees are currently holding
hearing to strip the railroads of their limited antitrust exemption:

    http://www.utu.org/worksite/detail_news.cfm?ArticleID=47256

The House and Senate has already had a ration of the industry's dirty
dealings...now is the time to press the issue while the iron is still
hot.

With the economy in it's current state and the railroads being slow,
I'm just sure a strike would be effective. Sure it would make the
National media and the carriers and government might even let it go for
several days. It would probably just cloud the issue unless of course it
could be used to leverage Congressional hearings.

If you think a strike is the way to go...have at it. Even better yet,
get the hearings scheduled and strike the day of the hearings and head
up to DC and let see you! 

Make no mistake about it, I have no lost love for either the UTU or
CSX. But I still have a great deal of respect for the men and women who
make this proud industry work and I resent the way management acts
towards them. I will do anything I can to help prevent further loss of
life because of management's indifference.

Name: screw ups
E-mail: 
Employed as: Car repair, for 20-30 years
Posted: 21 May 2009

Greenbrier bankruptcy case dismissed for new owner
US bankruptcy judge dismisses Greenbrier resort case; new owner can
proceed with revival plans
int

RICHMOND, Va. (AP) -- A federal judge dismissed The Greenbrier
resort's bankruptcy case Tuesday, clearing the way for a new owner to
make good on his pledge to return the iconic West Virginia property to
its former glory and profitability.

U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Kevin R. Huennekens granted the resort's motion
to dismiss the case Tuesday after James Justice testified that his
company, Justice Family Group, has the financial means to make the plan
work.

That financing includes proceeds from a $436 million sale of Justice's
West Virginia coal mines to a Russian company.

"We're all, you know, privileged here to do something that's really
for the common good, and it's bigger than making a buck," said
Justice, who purchased the resort on May 6 from Jacksonville, Fla.,
railroad operator CSX Corp. for $20.1 million outside of the bankruptcy
deal.

Justice and Greenbrier chief financial officer Michael McGovern both
testified that dismissing the case would benefit creditors, workers and
the local community. They also said the decision would allow The
Greenbrier's creditors to be paid in full immediately from a $17
million escrow fund, much sooner than if the Chapter 11 plan were to
remain in effect.

The Greenbrier, once a playground for wealthy and prominent guests,
filed for bankruptcy after losing more than $90 million in the past
five years, including $35 million in 2008, according to court filings.

The Greenbrier's immediate plan is to reclaim the coveted fifth star
from Mobil Travel Guide that it lost in 2000. Justice thinks that
calling up hundreds of furloughed workers would benefit both the
employees and the resort, which once housed a Cold War nuclear bunker
built for Congress.

"You don't get a fifth star unless you have fabulous service," which
requires an adequate number of workers, he said.

New contracts with more than 1,100 unionized employees reached after
Justice bought The Greenbrier include a 10 percent bonus for all
employees if The Greenbrier regains the higher rating. The labor deals,
effective immediately, also boost health care and other benefits.

Another part of the business plan, Justice said, would include
legalized gambling, limited to resort guests, convention goers and
property owners and their overnight guests. A percentage of gambling
revenue would be set aside to create a fund from which employee
benefits would be paid, he said.

"I'm not a fanatical proponent of gaming, but this resort needs it as
an amenity," Justice said in an interview after the hearing. The resort
would offer "tasteful gaming," including table games and machines in a
standalone building for which he hopes to have a design by the end of
June.

The dismissal of the Chapter 11 case also formally ended a dispute
between Justice Family Group and Marriott International, which intended
to purchase The Greenbrier from CSX as part of the bankruptcy
proceedings, which began in March. CSX would have paid Marriott $50
million over two years to operate the resort. Marriott, in turn, would
have paid CSX between $60 million and $130 million in seven years.

Justice and Bethesda, Md.-based Marriott agreed that the sides would
come up with a plan for the hotel chain to market the resort, and if
such a deal isn't reached in 30 days, Justice would pay Marriott a
$7.5 million breakup fee.

In light of that, Marriott attorney Lawrence Katz told Huennekens
Tuesday that his company would agree to the dismissal of the bankruptcy
case.

After the hearing, Justice said Tuesday's dismissal was the final step
in removing obstacles to restore and preserve The Greenbrier, which he
called "an American treasure." The resort, which dates back to 1778,
has hosted nearly 30 presidents and is on the National Register of
Historic Places.

The economic health of the community surrounding The Greenbrier is just
as important to the 58-year-old Justice, who lives about 5 miles from
the property and has coached girls' basketball at Greenbrier East High
School for nine years.

"Do we have a big day ahead of us? Absolutely," he said. "Do we have
some challenges? Absolutely."

But he says he's up for the challenge of turning The Greenbrier around
and making money, as well as ensuring the enthusiasm of his workers and
longevity of the jobs he's creating.

"I love to win the game," he said. "The jazz in the big game is
profitability."

AP Business Writer Tim Huber in Charleston, W.Va., contributed to this
st

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 May 2009

Safety Strike(Sam),

I accomplish things every day. I also know how corrupt the system is.
That doesn't keep me from doing what I can. I agree with the safety
strike, all you have to do is read all my post. It has to be done
correctly to be effective.

Name: Safety Strike
E-mail: www.SafetyStrike.com
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 30+ years
Posted: 21 May 2009

Zorro, you got spunk, and energy, and I like that. But all talk and no
action never got anything positive accomplished for the worker on the
railroad. EVER. Writing on this site is a psychological outlet for
emotions, nothing more, nothing less. Makes for good bedtime reading -
sort of like a serial novel. 

If you want to make REAL changes, you need to talk to railroad workers
face to face. That is what I have been doing, 24/7. There is a lot of
support for a safety strike, but the Unions are reluctant - as usual. 

Anyone on my crew gets injured or killed and it will be on the internet
on YouTube. I want the public to SEE how the railroad treats its
employees. I want the public to SEE how unsafe this place really is.  I
want the public to SEE the next time someone is killed or injured. I
want them to share my anger and my outrage. I want the general public
to feel what I feel when a brother gets injured or killed. I want them
outraged. I want their support, and I will get it. 

By the way, anyone trys to take my video camera away will be stare'n
down the smoking barrel of my equalizer.  

You cant get media, congressional and national public awareness of the
utterly pathetic unsafe working conditions on railroads like CSX by
merely discussing it on this site, or writing letters. The only way we
will achieve anything is by nationwide Safety Strike. Period. You wont
get it any other way. You have a sympathetic president in office, and a
sympathetic congress. We WILL have our day in the court of public
opinion.  

You can write on here all you want about RCO, accidents, deaths,
collisions, injuries.....and you can write congress till your blue in
the face, you can pay union dues till your bankrupt, and you can
contact FELA lawyers and sue till the cows come home - it wont stop CSX
business as usual from killing and injuring us.  Only a major strike
will have ANY chance of forcing the roads to make vastly overdue and
massively major improvements in railroad safety. 

Striking is what the First Amendment protects....Freedom from the
psychopathic greed and tyranny of the railroad Nazis.  

Sometimes I think this site is sponsored and run by CSX, just to give
respite to those who want to vent and let off steam - and hope that
stronger measures by rank and file will peter out - a subtle sneaky
tactic of reverse psychological filibuster.  Some of you guys who do
nothing but write books on here 24/7 make that possibility very
plausable, if not probable.  For crying out loud, get off your asses
and help organized a safety strike. 

The only way railroad workers EVER got improvements in their working
environment, wages, and benefits was to strike.  That's a fact etched
in stone.  If you cant organize and influence your own local members to
strike, and carry that to a national level, then your wasting your time
and mine. 

In the meantime,  for those of your who dont want or think a strike is
possible, go complain to mommy about the unfairness and unsafe working
conditions on the railroad - she's the only one who is going to listen
and sympathize with you, unless your injured or dead and then the
lawyers will gladly swoop in and make a ton of money on your crippled
dead ass while the Company fights you and your lawyers for the next 5
to 10 years. You deserve the fruits of your inaction. 

FELA can pay us and our families a million dollars for our crushed
pelvis, rotted lungs, or brain cancers, but FELA will NEVER give us
safer working conditions, and neither will Congress, the Unions, or FRA
- and sure as hell not CSX.  The only ones who will give us safer
working conditions are ourselves  - the railroad workers.  

If you can't be pro-active in organizing and implementing a Safety
Strike, your rhetoric is merely going to be opium for the masses.

Since January 1st of this year,  over 30,000 railroad workers have been
killed or injured on North American railroads.  

Isn't that beyond mere rhetoric?  Ya think?! 

WE MUST STRIKE. 

WE MUST STRIKE NOW.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 21 May 2009

2 hurt when train, car collide in Frostproof; U.S. 98 closed
TBO.com

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/may/20/200951/car-vs-train-polk-county-closes-us-98/news-breaking/

A major highway in Polk County should reopen about 11 a.m., the Polk
County Sheriff's Office says. 

Authorities shut down U.S. 98 between West Frostproof Road and U.S. 27
this morning after a CSX freight train and a car collided. 

The vehicle struck one of the rear freight cars at 1:47 a.m., causing
three of the train's 26 cars to derail, investigators said. 

The collision flipped the victims' car upside-down and pushed the
crushed vehicle about 50 feet. A man in the car was ejected, sheriff's
office spokeswoman Donna Wood said. 

The names of the man and woman in the car have not been released,
pending family notification. They were taken to Lakeland Regional
Medical Center. The woman is in critical but stable condition and the
man is in critical condition, Wood said. 

Authorities spent the morning collecting evidence. They loaded the
passenger car onto a flatbed truck and took it away about 9 a.m.
Engineers with CSX used a crane to move the three derailed freight cars
off the tracks so workers could repair the line. 

The line is used by both CSX and Amtrak, a railroad official said. 

The cause of the crash is still under investigation.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 21 May 2009

Hey maint. man trying to decide on which job to take.  Try both jobs
becouse if you come to csx you will need another job when layedoff.

Name: 
E-mail: mikewardisgay@gmail.com
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 21 May 2009

SonofSam:
No electronic devices while on or about track/equipment.....
You wont have to worry about a strike, youll be R U N N O F T

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 20 May 2009

Sam you sound like a broken record. By the way, what theories are you
talking about and who are you talking to?

Name: Son of Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 20 May 2009

That's a lot of theory and speculation. By the time you get around to
even coming close to proving anything, CSX will have move light years
beyond the issue. 

Congress is not going to do anything.  Have they yet? 

The unions are as worthless as tits on a boar hog. 

A nationwide railroad safety strike is the only way your going to get
media and congressional attention.  

I now have a digital video camera strapped to my chest - this shit is
going on YouTube.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 20 May 2009

Ted,
e-mail your number to the webmaster and have him forward it to me.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 20 May 2009

Good post NoMo. One of the problems, even with media attention, the
problems are soon put on the back burner. As new news develops daily
the old is soon forgotten by the public. The political process is a
joke. The major corporations know it and so do the politicians. A bill
can be stopped easily from local, state or the federal level.
It will take a safety strike to get the point across. Even our e-mails
to  most government officials go unanswered . Their filters are set up
to only reply if a certain amount of e-mails are sent to them on a
certain subject. Remember in most scenarios you don't have to convince
everyone how to vote on a bill, just a certain few that are on a
committee. The lobbyist know this and they know how to wine and dine
and dish the money out. Sad to say but, it is ashamed that this is how
things work. Even Governors have lobbyist for their causes. A typical
ploy used by Governors to get a bill introduced or declined is to have
a lobbyist go to a committee and tell them," we just found 2 million
of unused funds that we can distribute equally to your counties in
return for your vote." I'm not even getting into this subject deep,
I'm just skimming the surface.

You are 100 percent correct in the media attention, but a way has to be
planned to keep things in front of the cameras daily. The WTC for
instance is still broadcast on certain channels. Many deaths at once
and the press playing on human emotions. It generated views in large
numbers for more than a single day. In order to get our point across
there will have to be a safety strike that effects the goods to the
public. It will have to be staged so that the public doesn't see us as
the bad guys because they can't get a new 42 inch screen to watch the
news on. It will have to be a media event that lets the problem be
known that railroads are unsafe and something has to be done. All the
time the carriers will make sure they get their exposure also, telling
the press how safe they are and we went on strike over nothing. It gets
very complicated.

Like I said I can't say everything I want, it would be to long. You
have some good ideas, but timing and public outcry are crucial in
making things better for the backbone of the railroads, the working
man.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 20 May 2009

hello, rail roaders!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHO IS IT BETTER TO WORK FOR AS FAR AS A MAINTENANCE WORKER, CSX OR
KINDERMORGAN (PLANT OR COAL YARD)!!!!!!!!!!!PLEASE NEED ALL INPUTS I AM
TRYING TO SAVE MY SELF FROM MAKING A BIG MISTAKE, NEED HELP!

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 20 May 2009

I have pondered the recent tragedy in Selkirk and the previous
tragedies involving remote operations. I have concluded that
the carriers will not self correct and the unions and FRA are little
more than lap dogs.

The tragedies and the reasons they happened must be brought to light;
and those responsible, the carriers, the unions and the FRA must be
held accountable for there actions or lack thereof.

In my opinion, publicity is the best course of action. This is a
political problem and it will take a political solution to correct it.
It must be a well coordinated effort by everyone.

Below, please find two links, the first for the U.S. Senate Committee
on Science, Commerce and Transportation. The second for the U.S. House
of Representatives Transportation and Infrastructure Committee.

   http://commerce.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Home.Home

   http://transportation.house.gov/subcommittees/subcommittees.aspx

On the Senate site scroll down to Subcommittees and click on Surface
Transportation and Merchant Marine Infrastructure, Safety and
Security.

On the House site find the link to Subcommittees along the top and
click, scroll down to Subcommittee on Railroads, Pipelines and
Hazardous Materials.

These sites will give you the names and address of Committee members.
Perhaps one of the members represents you. I urge all of you to contact
all of them, on both the Senate and House side by mail, fax, email or
phone and demand they take action to end the carnage.

Contact your States U.S. Senators and your Representative ask for their
help. Write to the editors of the New York Times, Washington
Post and USA Today, Dateline, your local Newspaper and TV Channels.

The politicians and media love issues like this. Just remember this is
not about petty union issues or furloughs, it's about the carriers
blatant disregard for your safety and the difference between life and
death.

However, while you have their ear, you might mention the new testing
protocol for male transportation workers.

Daylight is the best cure for this issue!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 20 May 2009

Brakestick

You are right the 20 feet is Nazi lies to put the burden on the victim
who is not here to defend himself.   I would hope and bet he did
seperate the cars 1 car length or more for his protection.

the remote box should not move the engine in an way unless it was not
stopped fully.  something else would have to happen like the car away
from the engine moved into the engine.   If the box had a defect then
that could cause it to move but if it was not reported or shopped by
him or others before him then that is another story.  Bottom line CSX
should have to provide the tapes or be liable but I doubt the law or
the judge will make them.   A jury might see it different.  CSX would
settle before going to jury trail on this one.  I hope his attorney is
a trail lawyer or would get good one.  

I would place my bet on the real CSX Root Cause is the Middle Mangement
Failure (Rookie Trainmaster)to comply with the rules to please these
Nazi Cock Suckers. Middle Management lives in fear of The Head Cock
Sucker Tony Ingram.  I wonder what ritual they perform in Jacksonville
to operate they way they do and think.  CSX Koolaid must be like that
Jim Jones Kooladi in Jonestown.

Name: Ted
E-mail: tedwere@yahoo.com
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for 1-10 years
Posted: 20 May 2009

Z, email me when you have a moment...

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 20 May 2009

Ted,

Also we keep hearing rumor the tapes were deleted between radio
transmissions. If this is true why would CSX delete them? That is
unless something may be on them that would look unfavorable to CSX.

I think the tapes were probably considered the smoking gun. They would
be preserved at any cost if there was evidence that your Brother in Law
was in the wrong. PUSH to find out who deleted them. I think it will
come out, it just may take time.

Name: Ted
E-mail: tedwere@yahoo.com
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for 1-10 years
Posted: 20 May 2009

Z,

Thank you very much. As an (electrical) Engineer, your explaination is
easy to understand. I work with RC equipment in the broadcast industry,
and fully understand that there is no substitute for a hands-on
Engineer.

If a pot fails (and they do), the worst that can happen is that I
accidentally knock some other broadcast off the air for a few seconds
when transmitting an errant signal on a satellite. If the remote
positioner malfunctions (and they do), I may lose my broadcast for a
few seconds.

If a remote box in the yard is inadvertantly bumped or jarred in such a
way to move a few thousand tons of machinery to respond in an
unpredictable way..... people die. 

Such a scenario is beyond comprehension to me. It would not be
tolerated in my industry. The difference is that I might get a slap on
the wrist by the FCC. Jared, of course, is another story.

Name: Z
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 20 May 2009

Ted,

Three step is a term used for employee protection when they are working
between equipment. It goes by various names on different railroads.
Three step, red zone , in between, set and centered are just a few. In
order to comply with three step on CSX, three things have to be
accomplished. I'm going to break it down for remote jobs and jobs that
utilize a Engineer. If a job has a Engineer the reverser has to be
centered, the brakes applied and the generator field switch has to be
off. On a remote job, the reverser has to be centered, the brake
applied and the speed control on the OCU ( Operator Control Unit ) has
to be off. If you will notice, the generator field switch doesn't have
to be in the off position on a remote job Vs. a conventional (job that
has a Engineer ) job. I'm trying to break it down in simple terms, so
I may get a little long winded. The generator field switch when in the
on position is one of several safety features that determines if the
locomotive will load (move ). It along with several other switches and
low voltage interlocks, determines that the high voltage system that
generates power to the traction motors is positioned correctly. The
generator field switch supplies voltage to two relays when all other
circuits are correct and the throttle is opened. When the two relay
coils are energized they close main contacts that in turn excite the
main generator and produces high voltage to the traction motors that
actually moves the locomotive.

For what ever reason,( you can fill in the Blanks ), CSX decided that
to provide three step on a remote job, the OCU has to be centered ( not
in forward or reverse ) and the speed control (throttle in off  or idle
). This leaves out one very important function, actually cutting the
GFS ( generator field switch ) off in the locomotive. So in essence
there are two different standards for safety, one for conventional jobs
and one for remotes. The reason the generator field switch doesn't have
to be turned off on a remote is it takes time and time is money. Safety
leaves the picture. If a employee is fifty cars away from the
locomotive, he or she has to go to it and then return to the work area.
CSX will argue the point that three things have to be done in order to
make a locomotive move from a OCU, so they will contend it is safe to
do it as it is now. I say it is unsafe. Talk to anyone in the trenches
that operates a remote job and most can tell you horror stories. I do
not work for CSX, but I do have knowledge of CSX requiring employees to
use defective OCU's that the vigilance button did not work.

Here are some points to think about:

1. If CSX required the generator field to be in the off position on the
locomotive, it would have been almost impossible for it to move.

2. It is impossible to change a knuckle the CSX way or on any railroad
and do it safely while wearing the OCU box.

3. Trying to apply a 75 pound knuckle with only one person wearing this
box, I can very easily see how a combination of factors could occur to
make the locomotive move.

4. The 20 feet issue, I keep hearing probably had no bearing on the
situation.

5. A locomotive operated by remote usually takes longer to stop than a
conventional locomotive. If the signal is sent through a repeater it
will take even longer. Not very safe in my opinion.

6. How was this locomotive downloaded, to gather the facts that there
was only 20 feet spacing between the equipment. A download of the
locomotive under most circumstances can be made to look like it moved
20 feet when it actually moved 50 or 100 feet. All it takes is moving a
POT ( potentiometer ) slightly to falsify the distance that was allowed
between equipment. Again I know that this has occured on CSX when speed
was involved and CSX needed it to look like the train was going slower
to keep them from being liable for a derailment on a foreign line
railroad.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Car repair, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 20 May 2009

Car Department to CSX 8888, Over? 

HELLO, CSX 88 88 to THe car department, Over? 

Can I have 3 step to hang the marker, Over? {while hoping the FRA
ain't listening ;) }

3 Step:

1. Air brakes applied on train

2. Reverser in the middle

3. Locomotive Generator field switch switched to off position.


Car Department you have 3 Step protection on the CSX 8888

Car Department says: Roddddger.

Name: Sam
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 20 May 2009

Totally agree with Lloyd. The union is spineless, and Selkirk yard
should stick that idiot trainmaster in between two couplers and crush
him just like he crushed the trainman he killed.

Z, shut up and eat your cookies before your momma opens a can of whoop
ass on ya. Say, is that milk on your chin,  or is it that other sticky
stuff you keep tellin us about.

Name: Ted
E-mail: tedwere@yahoo.com
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for 1-10 years
Posted: 20 May 2009

Can someone explain "3 step" to me?

I've learned and have been trying to learn from this board, but some
terminology is over my head.

While I'm at it, I thought Selkirk was a "hump yard". That is, when
I was a kid growing up in Delmar, my Dad used to take us for Sunday
drives. My vote was always to the Selkirk yard. I remember cars rolling
off a rise and switched onto various tracks and into a block.

Is Selkirk now a flat yard, or do I have my terminology screwed up?

Thanks... Ted

Name: Brake Stick
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 20 May 2009

Now heres the rumor thats being passed on from train master to train
master.
"jerod was told to change the knuckle, but never asked for help, he
seperated the cars by 20 ft,  and never gave himself 3step ( i guess
there are certain ways to leave the levers and such for this on a
box"

So as we all said,CSX is essentially painting the picture that this
man
killed himself.
Oh but somehow there are no audio tapes from that night, why would the
audio disappear if he never asked for help? sniff sniff,i smell shit
getting buried.



This is in fact what I heard from my trainmaster in a similar version.
Most trainmaster are probably telling crews if he had worded 100% by
the rules he would have not died.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 20 May 2009

Lets remember history.

Hitler's Propaganda Minister "Joseph Goebbels "  He said something
like, "If you repeat a lie that many times it becomes True." 

Should call these Trainmasters, "Gerbils."  "Gerbils. Oh what wheels
they spin." 

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Name: 
E-mail: mikewardisgay@gmail.com
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 20 May 2009

http://tinypic.com/r/2j319y0/5    <--- It took a person to die for CSX
to come up with this system notice? Great managment skills!

Now heres the rumor thats being passed on from train master to train
master.
"jerod was told to change the knuckle, but never asked for help, he
seperated the cars by 20 ft,  and never gave himself 3step ( i guess
there are certain ways to leave the levers and such for this on a
box"

So as we all said,CSX is essentially painting the picture that this man
killed himself.
Oh but somehow there are no audio tapes from that night, why would the
audio disappear if he never asked for help? sniff sniff,i smell shit
getting buried.

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 20 May 2009

Zorro...

Not only should there be a walkout from every single craft but their
should also be about three hundred men standing around in Selkirk yard
with torches, ropes, shotguns, or whatever you want to bring to lynch
somebody.  The fact that the show goes on really baffles me.  It just
clearly shows how weak of a union we really have and how many people
just sit idly by watching the unthinkable happen.  Here is how I see
it.
Problem 1 - The UTU is technically part of the problem because they
emphasized the box so much in the first place to try and get more job
security for the conductor.  Oops..that one really back fired didn't
it.  Now instead of providing job security for all crafts the UTU
basically screws one man out of a job and leaves the other to do the
work on his own with a remote control box. 
Problem 2 - Everyone knows that if they take action themselves without
our union backing them that a strike or walkout is probably just like
punching a trainmaster in the face.  Sure would be fun to do but you
know your job is gone as soon as they figure out who you are.  
Problem 3 - As slow as business is right now, walking out would be very
difficult because most of us know there will still be scabs who will
take calls regardless of whether guys take action or not.  Right now
CSX could still get a lot done with minimal man power but if no one is
going to touch the throttle or pull the cut lever they would still be
in a world of hurt.  
Solution - Who has one?  Is there an organization out there secretly
forming to plan action?  Will either of the major unions stand up for
what is right?  
Think about your family and take into consideration the fact that it
could be your life next time.  Jerod Boehlke should still be here.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 20 May 2009

Hey Friend:

Thanks for reminding me about the Lumberton incident...another needless
tragedy which we push to the back burner and forget about.

It's about time all these tragedies are again brought back to the
front burner. The body count is rising and will continue to increase
until the employees, unions, and public demand action and force the
politicians to take action.

To our friends on other carriers, I know you're not immune from these
tragedies. The only time we hear about these may be a paragraph on a
union website. Just because it says CSX Sucks doesn't mean we
wouldn't welcome your stories.

It's about time a detailed accounting of these tragedies is made. The
FRA has the numbers but they will be buried so deep in other minutia
the extent might be hard to determine.

The number of deaths occurring on the railroads in this day and age
might be more than expected and must be brought to light!

Name: safety is spelled FELA
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for N/A
Posted: 19 May 2009

Any work on that fat ass piece of shit Jason Bradt up in Baltimore going
to court on a morals charge?

Name: htlong
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 19 May 2009

what about this whizzinator? could I use it on mrs. long????

Name: RH
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 20-30 years
Posted: 19 May 2009

We can all thank former senator republican LIZZY LEZZIE DOLE for all of
this drug testing BS as she is the one who started all of this back in
the 80,s, She did get voted out of office in 06 but she did her damage,
The fuckin bitch.

Name: rick buse
E-mail: #1scab.com
Employed as: Conductor, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 19 May 2009

My name is Rick Buse and I am a furloughed conductor in pensacola, fl. I
take every call everytime cmc calls me. I just want the company to
notice my loyalty. I don't know why nobody likes me. Am I a scab POS
or what?

Name: Zorro
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 19 May 2009

One man RCO jobs were talked about on CSX before the Vernon Award was
ever rendered. CSX had clear intentions of violating the award before
it was ever ruled on. They knew without a doubt they would implement
one man jobs.

It was classified a minor dispute in court, which was more BS, and the
Vernon Award made it concrete that the pitch and catch method would be
used. Gill Vernon's said the RCO was not taking the Engineers place
because each person on the RCO would not be taking voice commands, etc.
like an Engineer did, thus RCO's were not taking the Engineers job.
There is much more to the award, if anyone wants to read it, I'll post
it.

Has the BLE or even the UTU challenged CSX on one man remotes violating
the Award?

There are always a lot of ifs but, if the award had been followed, a
brother would be alive today. There would be more people working. CSX
has intentionally violated a agreement that cost a man his life in my
opinion. In fact it looks like CSX dropped the ball in all aspects of
the death of one of their major assets, an employee. As I said before,
watch the spin begin. Damage control is the priority. Tapes only stay
around when it benefits the company. The person that deleted them
should be charged with interfering with an investigation and
obstruction of justice, in addition to being fired.

There should be a walkout by all operating crafts over this death.

Never expect any railroad to do the right thing. It is amazing how good
they can make the spin when they get caught with their pants down. They
even had the whitey tighties off in this death. It was totally uncalled
for. Up hill slow, down hill fast, profits first, safety last, should be
the motto.

Name: robofuq
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 19 May 2009

By peg leg remote assignment you mean 1 man with a box,  that's the way
it's been done since 2003 at Frontier.  1 man rco with a utility
providing point protection (until puck system installed 2008) at hump,
and 1 man pulldown jobs going back to 2004.  All clear violations of
Vernon award stating pitch and catch should be utilized rather than an
rco accepting verbal instructions from another (ie utility) employee. 
But we all know how  CSX views arbitration awards, collective
bargaining agreements etc.  Also, I read here that a utility employee
cannot foul equipment while attatched to an RCO, even under 3 step? 
There might be  differences terminal to terminal as to how the rules
are interpreted and applied.

Name: Tank
E-mail: 
Employed as: Car repair, for N/A
Posted: 19 May 2009

Too many deaths and injuries. 

In the old days, we struck. And we took guns to the picket lines.  Any
scab stupid enough to flag out even a rat screamer, got shot in the
knee caps. 

Nowadays, you got to be a pussy to put up with the horse shit this 
company deals out.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for 1-10 years
Posted: 19 May 2009

NoMo:

Don't forget about the recalled conductor that lost his life last
Memorial Day Weekend near Lumberton, NC.  Recalled from furlough and
forced to take a Coal Train from Hamlet to a Progress Energy plant near
Lumberton, NC that he had never worked before.  Told them he was not
qualified, but was forced to work it anyway.  It is believed he rode
the car through the shaker.  Dug what was left of him out from under
one of the cars close to the rear of the train after it shoved into the
coal pile, derailing the end cars and partially burying them and the
conductor in coal.  Another example of the fine leadership in the
Florence Division under that blight on humanity named Tom Wolfe.  Wolfe
has had two deaths on his watch, this one and couple up between cars at
Unimin in Lugoff, SC right after he was made Division manager.  Both
instances involved inexperienced conductors.  The Albany death did not
involve an inexperienced employee; however, it appears that it did
involve a trainman asking for help as agreed to in the contract and
being denied by a young punk brownshirt with no experience.  Probably
shaves his head like the rest of the gook gobblers.  It should also be
noted that this peg leg RCO bullshit started in Florence March 2008. 
When the probability of death becomes a regular factor in "the ends
justifying the means", and this is accepted and tolerated by senior
management, these so called managers will have some explaining to do
when they meet their maker.  You guys be careful and look out for each
other because you are looked upon with contempt by the majority of
management.

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 19 May 2009

Nomo:

Of course I am not saying furloughs were the CAUSE of this tragedy,
I'm merely pointing out that if we hadn't gone to 1 man remotes
(because of our dumbass unions and the greedy wolves in jville) there
would have been 2 men on the job and this would have never occured.  If
2 men are working that remote job then one of them would have been able
to change the knuckle without a fucking box hanging on their shoulders.
 This is the kind of idiotic crap that goes on all the time with this
company and outside of bitching about it on here not much else is said
about it.  A man is dead now because of these idiots.  And now we hear
that the recordings are gone of him asking for help?  Well laa dee
freakin daa that's a mystery.  So now we go back to the original
question...if the company stays at 2 man remote jobs, that means less
furloughs and more people at work right now.  Too bad some idiots were
probably working for early quits every freakin day and brought this on
themselves!!  Smooth operators.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 19 May 2009

Hey Lloyd:

I'm not sure the furloughs had anything to do with this accident; I
don't have enough information to reach that conclusion. However, based
on the little information I have, I understand it was a peg leg remote
job and that he asked for help several times.

I agree that front line management is at best, piss poor; a reflection
of senior management. If they never played the game, they shouldn't be
able to coach!

Like I said in one of my earlier posts, back in late '06 there were  2
fatalities (Albany Division) and two amputations, a leg here in Mobile
and a hand in Baltimore or Philly. 

For the most part, these incidents have been forgotten, much to CSX's
delight. T&E personnel are just as guilty as is CSX in this regard...I
can't remember seeing these incidents mentioned once on this site
since a month after they occurred. We can never forget!

You should be having a tough time and perhaps you shouldn't get over
it...it could have easily been you!

Additionally, CSX has done nothing for their employees. A public
acknowledgement of the incident would go a long way but CSX is more
worried about their image than their employees.

You're right about this site, it's the best place to shed light on
CSX's stupidity. Anyone that witnesses these acts needs to post them.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Car repair, for 1-10 years
Posted: 19 May 2009

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Name: SAM
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 19 May 2009

Z, you back from Grandma's house?  How were your milk and cookies? 

Oh - my - god.  Just posted this on every section.  whaddayaknow. 

Say Z,  when the CSX homos demand you pee in their bottle while they
hold your Johnson to ensure authenticity of personal urination,
you gonna thank the Unions for their support?  LOL.

Dont forget - milk and cookies at 5.

Name: SAFETY STRIKE
E-mail: SAFETY STRIKE. COM
Employed as: Corporate office, for 30+ years
Posted: 19 May 2009

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SAFETY STRIKE!  SAFETY STRIKE! SAFETY STRIKE!  SAFETY STRIKE!
SAFETY STRIKE!  SAFETY STRIKE! SAFETY STRIKE!  SAFETY STRIKE!
SAFETY STRIKE!  SAFETY STRIKE! SAFETY STRIKE!  SAFETY STRIKE!
SAFETY STRIKE!  SAFETY STRIKE! SAFETY STRIKE!  SAFETY STRIKE!

Name: Happy Jack
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 19 May 2009

BREAKING NEWS! This just in: CSX STILL SUX! 

Whenever possible; utilize acts of civil disobedience. Lay down on
them. take 3-4 hours doing safety checks, job briefings etc... Be safe,
be slow, be slowest, be safest. Take the Safe Way. Tie'em up. Make'em
pay for their arrogance! the greedy bastards.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 19 May 2009

Is there any reason why we need more that one board to post?

I'm getting tired of reading folks complaining about multiple posts!

Name: Lloyd
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 19 May 2009

Yeah Nomo its just another day at the office when CSX covers something
up.  It's just sad that no one ever holds them accountable.  About the
best avenue I've seen anywhere that exposes these scumbags is this site
and thats about it.  I am still waiting for Jerod's family to make a
date for us not to go to work in his honor. The fact that this case
could get swept under the rug sickens me.  I know what I'd do to the
bastards if this happened to someone in my family but some people are
more forgiving.  Sorry off topic from original reply but I'm having a
hard time getting over this because I feel like all the cutbacks and
piece of trash train masters we have were the biggest factors in this
accident.  Anyways, have a good one guys.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 19 May 2009

Hey Lloyd:

Losing tapes is standard operating procedure for CSX when they are be
culpable...hell, they've been known to lose RCO's and black boxes!

Back in late '06 they had a similar incident up there...may have been
at Dewitt. CSX lost everything. It's interesting that CSX misplaces
things like tapes and black boxes only when it's to their benefit!

Name: Lloyd 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 19 May 2009

If they did in fact find a way to mysteriously lose those tapes thats a
red flag if I ever heard of one.  Its also probably just a good enough
reason for someone to go burn that mother frrr down.  Cover all your
avenues CSX, thats what you do best!!  
Guy who posted 6 times about when they might call you back, next time
just one topic and I'd say you got at least another 90 days or more. 

As for all the whizzinator stuff, sure there are people who use this
kind of crap because some idiots just can't stop using drugs for one,
and others like to make everyone else suffer by doing this crap. 
Considering the majority of us don't use drugs (especially not while
on the job) really angers me even more because no man should be able to
stare at my dick the entire time I piss.  Hell, if we didn't have these
idiots cheating on their piss tests, this wouldn't even be necessary. 
Still a violation of privacy no matter how you look at it.  So when
they do decide to piss test me and stare it I think I'll just aim
high.  You guys have an unethical day.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Engine repair, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 18 May 2009

I only worked at csx for 89 days before i got laid off. anyone know when
they will call back?

Name: Safety Strike
E-mail: SafetyStrike.com
Employed as: Car repair, for 30+ years
Posted: 18 May 2009

Cock Sucker Xpress has the same double standard as all the other
railroads - drug & alchohol testing depends on how high up the chain
you are (pun intended).  

High ranking VPs in Sales and Marketing are ABSOLUTELY known to
schmooze high ranking customer execs with booze, whores, drugs, and
money. That is a FACT. One railroad VP got busted with the Company jet
loaded with coke, dope, whores and $1 million in loot. The railroad got
it swept under the rug, and bribed the local newspapers to drop the
story. Don't think the story is true? Ask Robert Krebs, former
Chairman of BNSF - he knows it's true, he appointed the guy that
eventually became the scape goat for the scandal.   

Double Standard.  High ranking execs dont piss in a bottle - trust me. 
Rank and file might get strip searched, but not the VPs. NO WAY.   

As for train service workers, only a complete idiot would drink or do
drugs on the job.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 18 May 2009

I am hearing rumors that the radio tapes, from the accident that killed
the young RCO man in Selkirk, have mysteriously dissapeared.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 18 May 2009

You can't make this stuff up if you tried. I can't wait. I have
nothing to hide. I seldom drink, and never when I'm on-call or before
I go on-duty. I certainly don't do illegal drugs. I'm so sick of the
B.S. that goes on. I think that I am going to buy a whizzinator out of
spite. I'll keep it in my grip. Next time I'm piss-tested, I'm gonna
drink an entire pot of coffee beforehand. Then when it's time, I'm
gonna pull out the whizzinator and ask if I'm allowed to use it. Then,
I'll whip out my schwanz and chase the collector around the building
wagging it after him or her. If I am lucky, I will tag them with it.
Maybe I'll can accidentally piss on their shoe!

Name: Goober
E-mail: csx sucks too much
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 18 May 2009

Ya'll know that every vehicle/train crash at a crossing has only one
conclusion as to blame. Ya'll got it right....the vehicle is at fault.
The driver was the cause. Tried to kill himself, was drunk, did not
stop, look & listen, never read the OLI pledge not to cross unless the
switch was broken, knew the choo choo had a stop & flag order but knew
they were going to ignor the stop & flag, was despondent because he had
just hit mega-bucks, and ya da da BS. Goober ain't no dummy and ya'll
got an A plus on this test.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 18 May 2009

Another comment regarding BNSF v. Department of Transportation.

In Mr. Gorden's trailer, he writes "...albeit a foreseeable result
due to the compelling need to have a drug free workplace in the
transportation industry."

Again, it appears the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of
Columbia has segregated transportation workers. Even though I agree
there needs to be a drug free workplace; I guess one of my questions
would be...does this mean as an operator at a nuclear power plant or a
500,000 bpd refinery and chemical plant, a Congressman, Senator,
bureaucrat etc. that I wouldn't come under the same test protocols?

What ever happened to equality under the law!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 18 May 2009

I mean...I really hate CSX! What kinds of clowns are running this POS
operation? I've seen lemonade stands run better! When are Ward and
Ingram gonna retire and die?

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 18 May 2009

I have not read the ruling, BNSF v. Department of Transportation, and
even if I had, I probably wouldn't understand it.

However, based on Mr. Gordon's lead in,"...The DOT argued and
prevailed that the railroad must now strip the person down to make sure
they are not using a device that looks like male genitalia..." 

The ruling is blatantly discriminatory(gender). It would likely be
overturned on appeal.

What is interesting is that the BNSF and UTU brought the suit jointly.
You might expect the union(s) to act, but the BNSF! Do you think CSX
would have?

Perhaps there is a difference in the carriers!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 17 May 2009

Csx bulletin issued May 15: "One man RCO assignments in automated hump
classification yards are not to change knuckles without assistance
until further notice. " Apparently  still acceptable to do in a flat
switch yard.

Name: Steve Gordon
E-mail: sgordon@gordon-elias.com
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 17 May 2009

Dear All-

On Friday the 15th, the United States Court of Appeals in D.C. decided
a case styled BNSF v. Dept. of Transportation. It has to do with the
railroads performing urinalysis tests on railroad employees but there
is more. The DOT argued and prevailed that the railroad must now strip
the person down to make sure they are not using a device that looks
like male genitalia (in the opinion it was called a "Whizzinator"
but, apparently, there are others)when giving the urine. I have posted
an article in Yardlimits.com and attached the opinion in a Microsoft
Word attachment so you can download it and read it for yourself. 

The link is here:
http://www.yardlimits.com/forums/ask-attorney-steve-gordon-gordon-elias-law-firm/12298-casey-jones-whizzinator-gig-no-good.html#post114211

From an academic constitutional law perspective it is a monumental and
radical departure from 4th Amendment precedent albeit a foreseeable
result due to the compelling need to have a drug free workplace in the
transportation industry. However, from a railroad employee's
perspective it is extremely intrusive and embarrassing.

I highly recommend reading the opinion.

Sincerely,

Steve Gordon
www.gordon-elias.com

Name: Brake Stick
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 17 May 2009

Fuck ya the Safety Dance, everybody should do it before going on
duty!!!

                                  S

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 17 May 2009

Greece, N.Y)- Some abandoned CSX cars that left people in a Greece
neighborhood with eyesores in their backyard, were finally moved
Saturday. 

The cars were sitting just feet from neighbors backyards for weeks. CSX
blamed the recession as the reason, saying consumers are buying less
therefore rail cars shipping less.

Neighbors in the Pebbleview Neighborhood say they're thankful that the
cars are no longer there.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 17 May 2009

Let us not forget about John Sneddons at Dewitt Yard in Syracuse, NY in
2003, shortly after CSX began implementing this technology:

SUPREME COURT OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK
Appellate Division, Fourth Judicial Department

1293 
CA 06-03722
PRESENT: SCUDDER, P.J., GORSKI, CENTRA, FAHEY, AND GREEN, JJ. 
SANDRA A. SNEDDON, AS ADMINISTRATRIX OF THE 
ESTATE OF JOHN SNEDDON, DECEASED, 
PLAINTIFF-APPELLANT, 

            V                                   MEMORANDUM AND ORDER

CSX TRANSPORTATION, DEFENDANT-RESPONDENT. 
(APPEAL NO. 1.) 

DI NARDO & METSCHL, P.C., WILLIAMSVILLE (EMIL R. DI NARDO OF COUNSEL),
FOR PLAINTIFF-APPELLANT. 

MC NAMEE, LOCHNER, TITUS & WILLIAMS, P.C., ALBANY (SCOTT A. BARBOUR OF
COUNSEL), FOR DEFENDANT-RESPONDENT. 

Appeal from a judgment of the Supreme Court, Onondaga County
(Donald A. Greenwood, J.), entered December 5, 2006 in a wrongful death
action. The judgment, upon a jury verdict in favor of plaintiff and
against defendant, awarded plaintiff damages in the amount of $825,000.


It is hereby ORDERED that the judgment so appealed from be and the
same hereby is unanimously modified on the law by granting plaintiff’s
post-trial motion in part and setting aside the award of damages for
past loss of earnings and as modified the judgment is affirmed without
costs, and a new trial is granted on that element of damages only
unless defendant, within 20 days of service of a copy of the order of
this Court with notice of entry, stipulates to increase the award of
damages for past loss of earnings to $150,000, in which event the
judgment is modified accordingly and as modified the judgment is
affirmed without costs. 

Memorandum: Plaintiff commenced this wrongful death action
pursuant to the Federal Employers’ Liability Act ([FELA] 45 USC § 51 et
seq.) after her husband (decedent) was killed by a train during the
course of his employment at defendant’s railway yard. She now appeals
from a judgment entered upon a jury verdict finding defendant 75% at
fault for the accident and decedent 25% at fault and awarding plaintiff
damages in the amount of $100,000 for past loss of earnings, $720,000
for future loss of earnings, $30,000 for past loss of guidance for
decedent’s son, $130,000 for future loss of guidance for decedent’s
son, $20,000 for past loss of services to plaintiff, and $100,000 for
future loss of services to plaintiff.
	
Contrary to plaintiff’s contention, Supreme Court properly
submitted the issue of contributory negligence to the jury. “FELA is
not a strict liability statute but, rather, liability under the statute
is based on negligence and is not based solely on the fact that an
employee is injured” (McCabe v CSX Transp., Inc., 27 AD3d 1150, 1150).
Indeed, FELA expressly provides that “the fact that the employee may
have been guilty of contributory negligence shall not bar a recovery,
but the damages shall be diminished by the jury in proportion to the
amount of negligence attributable to such employee” (45 USC § 53). “The
standard for determining contributory negligence in FELA actions is
considerably more liberal than at common law . . . Under FELA, a jury
is entitled to find negligence if a party’s actions ‘played any part,
even the slightest, in producing the injury’ ” (Hotaling v CSX Transp.,
5 AD3d 964, 967, quoting Rogers v Missouri Pac. R.R. Co., 352 US 500,
506). A defendant “is entitled to a jury instruction on contributory
negligence if there is any evidence to support that theory” (Hose v
Chicago Northwestern Transp. Co., 70 F3d 968, 978), and there was such
evidence in this case. Defendant presented evidence that decedent
disregarded its instructions to remain outside “the red
zone,” an area in which he could be struck by a passing train, and that
decedent in fact was inside the red zone when he slipped and was struck
by a passing train.

Contrary to the further contention of plaintiff, the court
properly denied that part of her post-trial motion seeking to set aside
the jury verdict finding that decedent was 25% at fault as against the
weight of the evidence. It cannot be said that “the preponderance of
the evidence in favor of [plaintiff was] so great that the verdict
could not have been reached upon any fair interpretation of the
evidence” (Dannick v County of Onondaga, 191 AD2d 963, 964). Here,
there were no eyewitnesses to the accident, and the location of
decedent’s body did not conclusively demonstrate where and how decedent
slipped and fell into the path of the train. “In passing on the issues
of fault and causality, . . . the jury has a broad power to engage in
inferences” (Richards v South Buffalo Ry. Co., 54 AD2d 310, 311), and
we perceive no reason to disturb the jury’s verdict with respect to
decedent’s contributory negligence. 

We agree with plaintiff, however, that the court erred in denying
that part of her post-trial motion seeking to set aside the award of
damages for past loss of earnings inasmuch as the award deviates
materially from what would be reasonable compensation (see CPLR 5501
[c]). Although the jury was not required to accept in its entirety the
testimony of plaintiff’s expert with respect to loss of earnings (see
Mechanick v Conradi, 139 AD2d 857, 859), we nevertheless conclude that
the evidence established that decedent would have received some
increase in income as the result of cost of living increases, as well
as salary increases based on longevity and promotion. We therefore
modify the judgment accordingly, and we grant a new trial on that
element of damages only unless defendant, within 20 days of service of
a copy of the order of this Court with notice of entry, stipulates to
increase the award of damages for past loss of earnings to $150,000, in
which event the judgment is modified accordingly. Finally, we reject the
contention of plaintiff that the court erred in denying that part of her
post-trial motion seeking to set aside the award of damages for future
loss of earnings (see CPLR 5501 [c]), particularly in view of the fact
that, on cross-examination, plaintiff’s expert conceded that he could
have more accurately determined decedent’s future earnings by using the
wages of other workers with similar seniority working at the same
location as decedent, rather than using only decedent’s position
on the seniority roster without regard to location.

Entered: December 21, 2007
JoAnn M. Wahl Clerk of the Court

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 17 May 2009

Hey Big John:

Two things you can be sure of:

 1) CSX would have rather you not brought that up, and
 2) It won't be filmed on CSX property.

Name: big john
E-mail: littleman@eatme.com
Employed as: Yard Master, for 30+ years
Posted: 17 May 2009

Eight Years Since Runaway Train  - News Dept.  on 3:24:10 PM EDT
Today is the 8th Anniversary of a story that gained national
headlines.
May 15th, 2001, a CSX locomotive leaves Toledo. That wouldn't be much
of a story, but when you consider that no one was on board, that makes
national headlines. Add to that the fact that several cars are loaded
with hazardous material, now you have a potential disaster. Engine 8888
pulled the trains to the south, and eventually headed toward Kenton. The
train was stopped just south of town when an engineer was able to climb
on board the engine and bring it to a stop. Total run time, around 2
hours. All of that sounds like a movie. All that is exactly what
Twentieth Century Fox seems to think. According to a spokesman with
Twentieth Century Fox, who spoke on condition of anonymity, the company
is planning to film a movie inspired by the events of the runaway train.
The title is "Unstoppable." The director will be Tony Scott. Academy
Award winning actor Denzel Washington is on board, pun intended, to
play the engineer who climbed aboard the train to stop it. Filming is
to begin sometime within the next year with a possible 2011 release.
The spokesman said pre-production crews will determine on where the
movie will be filmed, and the local area has not been ruled out.

Name: robofuq
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 16 May 2009

Who gives a flying fuck about the Greenbrier?

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 16 May 2009

"the railway company CSX, placed the property in Chapter 11 bankruptcy
reorganization, telling a judge that it was "unable and unwilling to
continue funding" losses."


If CSX can go bankrupt on an individual property, Please, Please Go
bankrupt on the Conrail properties from 1999. Return them to a Good
railroad company.

Thanks 

:)

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 16 May 2009

"the railway company CSX, placed the property in Chapter 11 bankruptcy
reorganization, telling a judge that it was "unable and unwilling to
continue funding" losses."



WHITE SULPHUR SPRINGS, W.Va. -- The Greenbrier resort's new owner --
the man who outmaneuvered the mighty Marriott International -- is a
coal baron who just sold some mines to the Russians for $436 million.
He is enormous and boisterous, standing 6-foot-7 and weighing enough
that he calls himself a "fat hog." He is the president of the local
youth baseball league and coach of the girls' high school basketball
team and is driven around town by his buddy Moe. 

"These people haven't seen anything quite like me," James C. Justice
II said the other day, over a sandwich and fries at the resort. 

And neither has Marriott, which last night agreed to a settlement with
Justice to avoid a battle in federal bankruptcy court in Richmond,
where the two sides were scheduled to wrangle for control of the
historic resort -- the place where Joseph and Rose Kennedy honeymooned
and 26 presidents have visited. (Prince Rainier and Princess Grace
stopped by, too.) 

With Justice winning control, some residents said, he will forever be
seen as a savior to this quiet town in the mountains whose fortunes
have fallen alongside the resort. The Greenbrier has endured hundreds
of layoffs and brutal labor negotiations amid a steep drop-off in guest
visits. The prospect that a local man, not some corporate muckety-muck,
could be signing their paychecks had even led residents to pack
churches and praise Justice. 

"I believe the Good Lord sent him for us," said Greg Scott, a
preacher and doorman at the hotel for more than a dozen years who has
seen 14 of his neighbors laid off. "We had no hopes, no plans. It was
a glorious day when he arrived." 

That was less than two weeks ago, after Justice surprised the town and
executives at Bethesda-based Marriott International by announcing that
he had bought the resort for $20 million. In March, the hotel's
previous owner, the railway company CSX, placed the property in Chapter
11 bankruptcy reorganization, telling a judge that it was "unable and
unwilling to continue funding" losses. 

As part of the bankruptcy, CSX made a deal to sell the resort to
Marriott for $60 million to $130 million, depending on the resort's
future financial performance. CSX also agreed to give Marriott $50
million to run the hotel. The deal was contingent on CSX winning an
agreement with the resort's unions that was also agreeable to
Marriott. An accord was reached, and everything was looking spiffy for
the world's largest hotel chain. 

But Justice, who owns coal mines and large farming operations in
several nearby states, was lurking. He went to CSX in April, offering
to buy the stock in the entity that owned the resort, assume the debt
and move to have the bankruptcy case dismissed -- an unusual step,
according to bankruptcy experts, who said buyers usually prefer to
acquire assets out of bankruptcy free of debt. Why would Justice go
through all the trouble to take on a business he knows nothing about
and take on more than $100 million in bills? 

He said it had nothing to with the state recently approving casino
gambling at the resort: "That's just bull snot," Justice said. 

"I don't want to damage these people anymore. I live here. I don't
want to dash their hopes," he said. "I am honestly stone-cold
confident that I can bring to the table a lot of good stuff. I won't
be the guy who thinks with the standard hotel mentality. This place
can't be run that way." 

Marriott officials met with Justice in Lewisburg, W.Va., yesterday to
strike a deal. Under their settlement, both sides have 30 days to come
to an agreement allowing Marriott to market the property and receive a
fee for any guests it generates for the resort. If an agreement is not
reached, Justice will pay a $7.5 million breakup fee, Justice said. 

"We have amicably resolved any dispute with Mr. Justice, and we will
not oppose the motion to dismiss the bankruptcy," Marriott said in a
statement. 

No matter what the outcome of the talks, Justice has won total control
of the Greenbrier. 

"I needed the control," Justice said in an interview. "I'd be
letting these people down without it." 


Justice won over the community by hiring back furloughed workers and
reopening the union contract to increase health insurance and other
benefits, including allowing employees to eat one meal a day at the
resort. 

Last week, West Virginia Gov. Joe Manchin III (D) and Sen. John D.
Rockefeller IV threw their support behind Justice, saying he's the
right person to run the national historic landmark. A four-hour drive
from Washington, Greenbrier features 721 rooms, 10 lobbies, three golf
courses, a large medical clinic for executive checkups and a
once-secret bunker for Congress to convene in the event of a nuclear
attack. 

"I would hope Marriott sees we have someone here with the passion, the
wherewithal and the resources to own the Greenbrier," Manchin said in
an interview. Rockefeller sent Justice a handwritten note saying: "I
can't tell how proud I am of you and how happy I am for West Virginia.
Without a doubt you have absolutely saved the Greenbrier." 

White Sulphur Springs, like many small towns, harbors resentment toward
corporate America, which has brought Wal-Marts and other big-box stores
to town and -- in the view of some residents -- sucked local businesses
dry. On Main Street, barber Mike Lane can look through the shop's
window and see that all of the stores across the street are for rent. 

"Are they going to crumble, or are there going to be some businesses
there?" Lane said. "I'd like to see more businesses. I'd like to
cut more hair." He said he thinks someone with ties to the town has a
more vested interest in the resort. "I want him to do well," he said.


Peter Bostic, the union's business manager, agreed with Lane. "He
will hold the place closer to the chest than an international
company," Bostic said. 

Justice said his immediate goals include beginning work on a casino,
but more important, he wants to win back the resort's Mobil five-star
rating, which it lost in 1999. The key to earning that fifth star, he
said, was improving his employees' outlook. His theory is that if his
employees are happy, they will make the guests happy. If that sounds
familiar, it's what J.W. Marriott Jr. has preached for decades. 

"I think it's all driven by state of mind," Justice said. "These
people here are great. But how great can you be when you are worried if
your family is going to be supported? These people have been through a
really tough go of it and so we are in the process of lifting the cloud
and bringing the sun back out."

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 16 May 2009

Here is a post from another board, not saying this is what happened but
i am more inclined to believe this than anything that comes from the
carriers or ntsb/fra reports:
This is not going to be short, but it should cover the topic that the
media and CSX have ignored.

The track where the fatality occurred was filled with garbage cars
carrying solid waste. What one has to understand is that these cars, by
nature, are a trainman's worst nightmare when switching and coupling is
involved. They are long freight cars, as opposed to your standard
boxcar. They usually smell bad. They are often dripping waste and after
a heavy rain, stormwater collects and sloshes from them. The drawbars,
the part that the couplers are attached to, are very long and move
laterally to the point that they often need to be straightened out,
which involves getting between the cars. The knuckles do not always
match up and they can cross rather easily. It is not uncommon for them
to have extensive hump damage. For this reason, Conrail used to shove
them the hump over in solid blocks, or not hump them at all. Not so
with CSX.

At any rate the rumor mill is at full speed in Selkirk.

It has been less than one year since these remotes were implemented in
the class yard in Selkirk. Jared was killed less than three weeks
before his 9th anniversary on the railroad with CSX. Jared was not the
kind of employee you would expect to get coupled to death between
freight cars. He was not one of those guys that I would consider a
cowboy. He did not recklessly fly around all over the place, running
for a quit. He used air on the cars, as required. He climbed on and off
equipment properly using the grab irons and platforms. He did not get on
and off moving equipment. He performed all required tests and did not
cut any corners. If ordered to, he would not attach his signature to an
inspection sheet for the calendar day inspection on his locomotive
without performing all the required tests and inspections. He would not
sign off on a defective locomotive. He wanted to get the work done, but
he wanted to go home to his family at the end of the day.

There are rumors flying around all over the place. One rumor is that
another conductor was told to replace the knuckle a week ago Friday on
May 8th. He was emphatic and said no. So the powers-to-be waited until
they had an opportunity to order someone like Jared who was less likely
to make a stink about it. The best rumor yet is that the NTSB went
looking for the tapes of the radio transmissions on that day, Sunday,
May 10th Mothers Day, and that CSX does not have any record of them. Or
that they were so CONVENIENTLY lost or destroyed.

Everyone wants to get the FRA involved, but as far as I am concerned,
they are a part of the problem, not the solution. Ironically, Jared was
involved in a situation a few weeks ago in which the FRA helped seal the
nail on his coffin. We had an incident in April where a utility trainman
assisted Jared with a car that had defective brake rigging hanging off
one end the car. The rigging needed to be removed as the car was unsafe
to move the way it was. The car department was dispatched and arrived on
the scene with a cutting torch. The utility trainman had a briefing with
the car department, and they agreed to let him use the torch on the car,
so that Jared could move it safely without damaging any tracks or
equipment. Whether you agree with this or not, and I do not personally,
as I feel it is crossing crafts, this is what was done. The FRA just so
happened to be on site at the time, unbeknownst to Jared and the
utility man and the car department, and they took exception to a
utility man crossing crafts, and also fouling equipment. Since that
day, utility trainmen have not been allowed to assist in any way that
involves fouling equipment, which would include changing a knuckle.

So as far as I am concerned the FRA is useless in getting involved.
They are no better than the carrier who implemented the remotes to
begin with. The FRA knows that the remotes are not as productive and
safe as having a qualified locomotive engineer on the head end. They go
so far as to review remote operations and use the excuse that since the
technology is still new, the operations will be revisited and reviewed.
The FRA gives "guidelines" and "suggestions" such as not riding
freight cars and hanging off moving equipment with the RCO box, but
stops short of actually making implementation mandatory by the
carriers. Instead, the FRA leaves it up to the remote control
operator's "discretion." They may as well be in bed with the
carriers.

Then you have the corporate spin doctors. Clueless lackeys like CSX
spokesperson Bob Sullivan who claims "no action is ever taken without
safety being the first and foremost priority." They seem programmed to
say this stuff. This is almost laughable because what it really comes
down to is money and not safety on the part of CSX. They have
eliminated a locomotive engineer on each yard job, saving thousands
over the course of the day in a big class yard like Selkirk or
Waycross. CSX's corporate attitude is seemingly: So we have a fatality
or major injury once in awhile? The remotes pay for themselves over the
course of time!

The remotes DO work. To say that they do not would be fallacy. However,
what they do NOT do is work WELL. At best, they work with a fair degree
of mediocrity when used on the hump. In the class yard? Forget it.
Maybe 50% to 60% as effective as having a locomotive engineer on the
job.

By their very use, a remote control box adds the additional duties once
held by a locomotive engineer and gives them to the trainman on the
ground. The railroad has set up "zones" where each locomotive and
operator works exclusively so as to avoid having to have a man on the
head end or in the locomotive. The locomotive is set up with GPS to
communicate with electronic transmitters (or "pucks" for those of us
in the know) placed strategically on the tracks to stop it before it
leaves the yard, and to regulate the distance it can go while
switching.

What remotes do NOT do is respond to the controls and control a
locomotive as safely and effectively as a qualified and certified
locomotive engineer. And no matter what the carrier says with their
smoke-and-mirrors show, there is simply no substitute for having a
qualified locomotive engineer in the cab of that engine to control it
and prevent it from moving.

How many times do we remote control operators have to select a
direction (forward/reverse), hit the vigilance button and select the
speed/throttle position only to get a "speed selector pressed without
vigilance button" error message? This error message (which indicates
that you have failed to hit the vigilance button prior to selecting a
speed) comes up countless times in the course of the shift when you
actually HAVE done it properly, stranding you for several seconds each
time it happens, further slowing down productivity. How many times does
the box get knocked into neutral while riding cars, immediately stopping
the movement? Or you inadvertently lean on the power button while riding
a car, effectively turning off the box, stopping the movement,
completely unplanned? How about thinking, "Wow, this seems a bit
fast," and you look down and see that the speed you had it in, like 7
mph, has been accidentally knocked up to 10 mph, or God-forbid, 15
mph.

Never mind the fact that changing a knuckle should be performed by a
car inspector when they are available and on-duty at the same supply
point. In fact, as mentioned, it was the geniuses at the FRA who
decided that utility trainmen - despite the fact that they can attach
themselves to a crew to assist, even so far as taking over the remote
control box - could NOT foul equipment in order to assist in changing
knuckles. Instead, the FRA mandated that responsibility (fouling
equipment, changing knuckles) belonged solely to the remote conductor
and not another member of the crew. It was also the geniuses at the FRA
who declared that removing the vest with the box, or turning off the box
was a de-certifiable offense. Unfortunately, I will tell you from
personal experience that the assistance of a utility trainman and
setting the handbrake on the engine and then dumping it (initiating an
emergency brake application) and turning off the box, "short-terming"
the engine and taking off the vest is BY FAR THE SAFEST WAY TO CHANGE
OUT A KNUCKLE WHEN ORDERED TO DO SO. But it is ILLEGAL. This is a
failure on which the burden can be equally shared by CSX and its
operating rules department and also the FRA. Both parties should know
better. 

That a fatality should have arisen from this is absurd. That a company
officer with minimal railroad and operating experience would order a
seasoned employee who asked not once, but twice for assistance, to do
something this grievous when there were mechanical forces on-duty is
unacceptable.

For those of us who have changed 75 pound knuckles before, we all know
what a challenge it can be - even with two people. Alone is even
harder. Now try doing it wearing the box.

For those of you that have never been up close and seen remote control
operations, it is something else.

The "operator" or whatever you want to call the person at the
controls, has a vest, belt, or harness around his/her shoulders and/or
waist with an eight pound remote control box the size of a shoebox
attached to your belly or groin area. Changing a knuckle, you want to
have your arms and torso as close to the knuckle as possible, due to
its weight and density. Wearing the box, you may as well be pregnant -
it is almost impossible to get close enough to effectively replace the
knuckle. You are like a bull in a china closet wearing that thing.

In addition to tasks like climbing on and off equipment, lacing air
hoses, setting and releasing handbrakes (both conventionally and with a
brakestick) it is fairly easy to knock controls around to the point that
you wind up doing one or more of the following:
Lean against the "vigilance toggle switch" - similar to an alerter
and also functions as one, but is also required before selecting a
speed or acknowledging and resetting a penalty brake application. 
Lean against the "direction toggle switch" - forward-neutral-reverse
Hit the dial on one side resulting in various independent brake
applications - minimum, low, medium, full, emergency
Hit the dial on the other side resulting in various speed/throttle
positions - stop, coast, couple (1-2 mph), 4 mph, 7 mph, 10 mph, 15 mph
(we are not supposed to use 15 mph)

Ask some remote control trainmen how many times they looked at the box
after lacing an air hose or setting a brake and noticed that the box
had some sort of independent brake application, or the direction was
changed, or the speed selector had changed and the engine was starting
to move and the change to the controls was not intended. Then ask them
if they would have noticed that anything had changed in time to prevent
an injury or damage if they had not actually look down at the box in
time to notice what had happened. Their hearts will go into their
throats.

On a side note, some idiot reading this will be stubborn enough to
approach the carriers and the designers of the RCO equipment and tell
them that they can improve things and make remotes safer. I contend
that the only thing they are doing is building a better mousetrap, and
the employees are the mice. Again, it is all in the interest of saving
a buck. When was the last time your boss doubled your workload? Did it
make you more effective and your work easier? This is not a toy train
set. Would you give an air traffic controller with no flight experience
a crash course in avaition and remote control to fly a plane full of
passengers?

In the absence of a utility man or some other employee, when changing a
knuckle (all the while tethered to controls that could inadvertently be
operated, however unintentional and thus moving a locomotive which
should not be moved), whether the equipment is separated by 20 feet, 50
feet, or 500 feet is immaterial since rolling stock often moves quietly.
Wait and see, though. Because this is probably the nonsense that CSX
blows up your behind that contributed to the whole thing: he did not
have the required space between the equipment. They will also tell you
that remotes are about safety and not money. They will probably even
have the talking-head that is Michael Ward come out and say something,
because he is about the only company officer who is respected enough
and recognized by the general public and stockholders. 

Perhaps the company will come out and say nothing at all, instead
choosing to sweep this one under the carpet. This is the course that
they appear to be taking, as the incident has not been discussed in any
way, shape or form on the Gateway or CSX.com. Mike Ward's weekly
message rambles on about how we can save him money by shutting down
locomotives to conserve fuel. I think there was also an announcement
this week about some bag of hot air flying up to NYC for a powwow with
Wall Street and the stockholders. Here's a big hint, how about having
him take a side trip to Selkirk to apologize? No. Instead we get no
acknowledgement, no discussion. No empathy, no compassion. My goodness,
even last month, when that CSX salesman went postal down in Maryland and
took out his family CSX had an announcement on its website. But now,
their corporate silence is golden. This silence and negligence is an
insult to the intelligence of CSX's employees, the general public, the
stockholders, and most of all, Jared's family, friends, and coworkers.
Knowing the kind of guy he was, Jared was the last person any of us
would have expected this to happen to. 

CSX is an excellent example of the type of company that has helped
contribute to the current financial crisis our country is in. They
hemorrhage money left and right because they will not take common-sense
suggestions of people who genuinely want the company to succeed and can
see the potential that it has: its workers. It cuts their jobs,
implements questionable cost-cutting procedures under the guise of
safety, yet remains top-heavy with highly compensated fatcats. If
performance has been that poor, then perhaps the high salaries,
bonuses, stock options, company vehicles and expense accounts should go
right out the window. Maybe I am missing something, but do we REALLY
need an AVP of Locomotive Management AND an AVP of Locomotive
Distribution? Departments that have several people with the title of
Director?

As discussed above, the most likely scenario is that, after being
ordered to do so, in the futile attempt to change out a knuckle with
the box on, he inadvertently bumped some switches and levers on the box
which caused the engine to move, effectively coupling himself between
the equipment.

It is a sad day when a man dies because the company he works for is
REACTIVE instead of PROACTIVE. It is sadder still that his poor wife
and little girl will never see him alive again.

The fact remains that as long as that box is on, its control and
operation should be primary in order to ensure that both operator and
equipment are protected. Anything else, including riding equipment,
lacing airhoses, setting or releasing handbrakes, operating cutting
levers, and especially changing knuckles now renders operating that box
as secondary as the focus is elsewhere. But hey, CSX is doing this in
the interest of safety.

Name: Ted
E-mail: tedwere@yahoo.com
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for 1-10 years
Posted: 15 May 2009

Greetings Friends.

I just returned from the early wake for Jared Boehlke. As a relative, I
was allowed in before the 2:00 public viewing.

I wanted to send my heartfelt appreciation to those in attendance
already. When I left for a break at 2:30 the funeral home was packed
with lines forming outside.

As a reminder, there will also be a viewing 7 to 9 this evening. The
outpouring of affection, appreciation and respect for Jared means more
to the family than I can express in mere words.

The remainder of the arrangements can be found here:

http://www.legacy.com/timesunion-albany/Obituaries.asp?Page=Lifestory&PersonId=127247712

Again, God Bless You All. Your support means more than you can possibly
know.

Sincerely,

Ted (brother-in-law)

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 15 May 2009

Name: 
E-mail: mikewardisgay@gmail.com
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 14 May 2009

That attorney is a member of another forum, he has been around for a
while. just quiet i guess.
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Quiet until he sees $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. I don't care if
he is a member of Congress, the President or a member of another site.
He never posted here until there was a tragedy. Then he post under
every venue. Makes it look like he's advertising or chasing
ambulances.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 10-20 years
Posted: 15 May 2009

O.K. Motherfuckers in the ivory tower in Jax, how about you send
Frederik up to Selkirk on a side trip to apologize to us while he is up
in NYC? The whole lot of you ought to be ashamed to announce this and
not even address what happened here. The workers don't care about your
dog-and-pony show in NYC. I am so sick of this business-as-usual
attitude by the corporate hire-ups at CSX. 

Any of you stockholders reading this, please take notice. It is the
exact attitude of apathetic companies like CSX that contributed to the
current financial crisis that our country is in.  

They (CSX corporate HQ)do not even address it on the Gateway or the
CSX.com website. Some CSX employee goes postal in Baltimore a few weeks
back, and there is an announcement and offers of counselors on-site for
anyone in corporate. I guess we do not rate too highly on their list.
Jared was a good worker and a good man who loved his family. This needs
to be addressed.

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CSX Corporation Vice President to Participate in Wolfe Research Global
Transportation Conference Panel


JACKSONVILLE, Fla., (May 13, 2009) – Fredrik Eliasson, CSX Corporation
(NYSE: CSX) vice president for financial planning and analysis, will
address the Wolfe Research Global Transportation Conference in New York
City on Wednesday, May 20, 2009, at 11:00 a.m. Eastern Time. 


Mr. Eliasson’s presentation will focus on the company’s financial
performance and core strategies to better position the company in the
current transportation environment. 

Eliasson will also participate in a panel discussion with other rails
to share their insights on current and long-term industry trends. 


Investors may listen to the presentation via a live internet
audio-webcast at
http://cc.talkpoint.com/wolf001/051909a_ke/?entity=9_2QT2XRN, or visit
the CSX website at http://investors.csx.com.  A replay and accompanying
audio will be available within one hour after conclusion of this event.



CSX Corporation, based in Jacksonville, Fla., is one of the nation's
leading transportation companies, providing rail, intermodal and
rail-to-truck transload services. The company's transportation network
spans approximately 21,000 miles, with service to 23 eastern states and
the District of Columbia, and connects to more than 70 ocean, river and
lake ports. More information about CSX Corporation and its subsidiaries
is available at the company's web site, www.csx.com.

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Contact: 
David Baggs, Investor Relations
904-359-4812

Garrick Francis, Corporate Communications
877-835-5279

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 15 May 2009

ATTENTION: HTLONG we are talkn about a strike or safety slow down
because one of OUR brothers were killed!!!! read before you write about
topics your not even a part of!

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 14 May 2009

Have a safe CSX day:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcOZ6xFxJqg

Name: 
E-mail: mikewardisgay@gmail.com
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 14 May 2009

That attorney is a member of another forum, he has been around for a
while. just quiet i guess.

"furloughs are part of rring.." Same thought process as these unions.
Everything used to be therefor it will continue to be....half the reason
we cant accomplish anything, always living in how it "has always
been". Well I for one am tired of living in the old way.
i understand the oldheads went thru some shit back in their days, but
why does everyone think its ok for this company/union not to change for
the better of its employees? So if you have kids or grandkids that come
to work for the railroad, you want them to be treated the same as you
have been your whole career? Or would you hope one day things were
better and you didnt have to worry about some off the street train
master causing your family member an injury or death because he was
worried about a small delay in getting the train out the yard??
As for striking, i think people are saying the carrier cut off way to
many employees to leave us with a safe working enviroment...One man
remote jobs, fatigue cause boards are running at bare minimum. Makes
sense to me but we all know a strike isnt going to happen.

Name: htlong
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 14 May 2009

you call for a strike because you are laid off???????
we are in a recession that causes furloughs, if you strike do it for
unsafe working conditions undue harrassment......but for getting laid
off ???????
furloughs are a part of being a RRer  suck it up bucko's quit the
whinning!!!!

Name: P.C .
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 20-30 years
Posted: 14 May 2009

I will encourage all my guys here in P'Cola to support a strike for
safety reasons because it is the right thing to do. I feel like I done
my part to hurt the younger guys and before I die I just wanna do 1
decent thing so that maybe God won't send me straight to Hell where I
rightly belong. Shoot, I'll just mark off Union Business as usual. I
apologize to all the younger men me and Kenny Gray screwed over but we
had to. We couldn't make less than 110k a year. Sorry! Well, I don't
know.....it's system wide.

Name: T.B. Franks
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 30+ years
Posted: 14 May 2009

I say we storm jackassville headquarters and throw mike ward out the
10th story window along with the rest of the criminals including the
stupid Bitch who runs the RCO program.    

STRIKE!!!!  SAFETY STRIKE.  WILD CAT STRIKE. 

Call it what you want. 

We MUST stike - STOP THE INJURIES AND THE KILLINGS.

Name: blowtorch
E-mail: 
Employed as: Engine repair, for 20-30 years
Posted: 14 May 2009

EACH "STRIKE" REPRESENTS THE NUMBER OF RAILROAD WORKERS WHO WILL BE
KILLED OR INJURED IN THE NEXT 24 HOURS. 

SAFETY STRIKE AND STOP THE KILLING AND THE INJURIES. 

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Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 14 May 2009

Name: Steve Gordon
E-mail: sgordon@gordon-elias.com
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 13 May 2009

Dear All-

I am a lawyer that sues railroads. In our firms experience, only in
VERY rare circumstances, do the railroads ever try to be fair to an
injured employee. Ninety-nine percent of the time, the exact moment you
make a report of injury you become the "enemy". It does not matter
that you have given all you have to give for the railroad. CSX is, by
far, the worst of the worst. They will convince people to lie about
their injury after persuading them not to make a report. They will
actually fly head honchos in from Jacksonville to do this. They know
the person got hurt at work but they will just stand their and watch
the person make a false statement after hours of intimidation. We like
suing railroads and we like getting Managers under oath. Their evil
ways do not stop with just injuries. They will do the same to a widow
and try and quick settle with them.

Sincerely,

Lie Hunter
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I think this man was very inappropriate coming on here right after this
accident. The old ambulance chaser. Never heard a peep out of him, until
there is a death. It appears that he subs out his work since he isn't
licenced in all the states on his web site. Just wants his piece of the
pie, from another persons pain.

You want to do something Lie Hunter, send a grand to the trust fund.

Name: you know me mother fucker
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 14 May 2009

Okay, you guys can say slow down and use 100 percent rules compliance
all fucking day and Im still not buying it.  No I'm not one of the
other posters yacking away at strike strike strike either.  Im just a
lonely soul who believes that if you guys have a nut sack (or your
union) you should lay down on these back stabbers.  If you think for
one second that the UTU or BLE has got your back you are a god damn
retard.  We allow these fuckers to cut us back as much as possible and
get away with it.  Oh wait a second, I forgot they allowed us to be
laid off for a year and keep our jobs.  OOOOOhhh thank you so much
unions.  Thank you so much for allowing me to keep my job while I am
laid off for a year or more.  You guys have done so much for me and my
family while I am getting zero benefits and zero insurance.  You all
can kiss my ass you sorry mother fuckers.  I don't give two shits if
you think I'm ignorant for using profanity.  All you UTU union reps
are a bunch of fucking pussies with no spine.  It's either that, or
they are stuffing cash in your pockets to shut up and take it.  On top
of it all a man has to die because you dumb pieces of shit turn to one
man remotes so you can save some measley cash.  Fuck you CSX.  And fuck
you too UTU for even letting the RCO come into the picture.  What a
bunch of no good cock goblins.  I hope you all rot in hell and may the
strike begin.  Oh wait a minute, too many pussies are still working.

Name: Green Goat
E-mail: 
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for Less than 1 year
Posted: 14 May 2009

The fix is in.  All Trainmasters have been given talking points, getting
'their' story out, and are burying the facts.  It will be all the
employee's fault if they are allowed to continue.  Any employee that
was at the 'town meeting' knows this issue was brought to management
in attendance - a week ago - including "first I have heard of it"
Lewandowski.

Setting a knuckle on the box can result in inadvertent movement of
alertness, and direction buttons,and then sliding it into the drawhead
moves the speed selector.  We know this because it happened weeks ago,
to a 2-man shop crew...luckily the engine pulled away, rather than
coupling the employee up.

Having read the last paragraph - tell me that an experienced Conductor
would jump between two knuckles, coming together, to 'catch' an 80
pound knuckle (anyone that has seen one fall before will jump back -
away)...remember that when CSX comes out with 'their' story.

There are now all sorts of complaints coming in, after the fact, of
engines being inadvertently moved while coupling air hoses, speed
changes/quick stops due to grab iron hitting box while riding
cars...etc.  If you have experienced one of these incidents,
immediately report it to your Union, the 'safety hotline', the FRA -
and most important - your fellow employees.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 14 May 2009

Collective bargaining Agreement??????? What agreement? Have you ever had
a  claim "denied, claim is invalid". Have you ever been told "No, we
can't mark you off for a doctors appt., you'll have to mark off
sick"???? Are you serious? Have you ever tried to get paid for these
claims? Have you ever sat in a hotel for 30 hours, with no train
coming, while your family celebrates some type of special occasion???
I'VE PERSONALLY HAD IT. They don't paty attention to our agrrements
now? NO ONE is held accountable but US.

Strike, and shut down the Northeast Corridor, is the ONLY thing these
ASSHOLES will understand!!! When trains don't move, and trains don't
get out. That's it. Nothing else matters to these Nazi's (except
their bonuses of course). I say safety strike. We can strike when
safety is at stake. RCO'S ARE NOT SAFE. HOW MANY MORE HAVE TO GET HURT
OR DIE???????????????? I so F@#king pissed right now. GET A PAIR AND
LET'S DO SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 14 May 2009

SAFETY SLOW DOWN!!!

Name: 
E-mail: mikewardisgay@gmail.com
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 14 May 2009

I think everybody on here knows there wont be any wildcat strikes going
on. It would be something to see though!! Just aint happening anytime
soon.

And I agree about the transferring of this train master, thats how the
Huntington Division got zieger, his punishment was a transfer to west
by god virginia after some unsafe act on his record involving a female
engineer.

Marcus McCants punishment was a trasfer to the Atlanta Division due to
some racial slurs and such he used in his previous location. 

I am sure there are other examples, so lets post the ones we know and
compare notes ;)

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 14 May 2009

Just a couple of comments and observations from some of these posts.

First off, CSX will NOT fire or discipline this TM in any way. It would
be an admission of guilt on their part both legally and from a public
relations standpoint. I agree with the poster that thinks that this TM
will be promoted away from Selkirk to protect CSX’s liability. It’s
either that or a “voluntary” resignation on that TM’s part.

Second, PLEASE!!!!!!!!, do not engage in any type of unauthorized or
wild cat strike! An action of that type can make our collective
bargaining agreement null and void. Don’t do it!!! I’m with the various
posts about 100% cautious and safe rule compliance. Utilize Rule “S” and
make the final call on taking the safest course of action in every move
you make.

Third, Report injuries!!! These companies create false safety
statistics because they coerce their workers into not reporting
injuries. If you’ve been injured on the job report it and stand your
ground!!!! It’s their policy and rules so comply with them!!!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 14 May 2009

Most are saying perhaps a lever on the box was moved when the employee
bent over. Taking the box off is violation of the rules, so that makes
sense, but one push of a lever should not cause the engine to move, at
least one would think anyway

Name: Santa Claus
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for N/A
Posted: 14 May 2009

Does anyone have the details about this accident yet? What exactly
happened. I know the young man asked for help and apparently was denied
but what happened after that? I certainly would think it had to involve
more than just changing a knuckle out.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 14 May 2009

I would have at least thought the union would have put on a good
"show" since one of their members was all but murdered by the actions
of CSX. I guess thats not included in our monthly dues.....

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 14 May 2009

I would have at least thought the union would have put on a good
"show" since one of their members was all but murdered by the actions
of CSX. I guess thats not included in our montly dues.....

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 14 May 2009

Fire the man? I doubt it! They will move him somewhere else and let him
carry on his merry little way. After all this the way they all manage
the railroad...........THREATS, INTIMIDATE,HARRASS AND IF THAT DOESN'T
WORK TAKE HIM OUTA SERVICE!. At CSX this is called rairoad management
101. Somebody has got to stand up to these clowns before they kill more
of us. 
     Just how hard would it have been for someone to say "ok Jared we
will send you help in a few minutes"?  This was a totally avoidable
incident but for some arrogant, unqualified, piece of dog turd who was
trying to make his bones with the boss!

Name: SafetySlowDown
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 14 May 2009

Why Strike?   That will not work.  CSX will be prepared to fire a few as
examples just like Ingram has done since he worked at the Southern.

Just SLOW Down and be SAFER    Duh!!!!

Follow the Rules.  It will get more attention.  Just will not be on
CNN

The unions do not have any balls to do shit.

Bought and paid for.

One train slows down so do others and more after that.

SLOW Down and be SAFER
SLOW Down and be SAFER
SLOW Down and be SAFER
SLOW Down and be SAFER
SLOW Down and be SAFER

Do Not be the next CSX Fatality or Injury. 

Old Heads will be taking the Lotto out of CSX with a Injury now.

Name: C.J. HODGES
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 14 May 2009

UNION MEMBERS: CONTACT YOUR UNION REPS AND UNION BOSSES! 

DEMAND a SAFTEY STRIKE -STOP INJURIES & DEATHS TO RAILROAD WORKERS!! 

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Name: 
E-mail: mikewardisgay@gmail.com
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 14 May 2009

After reading Bob Sullivans last comments, I am beginning to wonder if
CSX is going to throw this train master under the bus and distance
themselves from "this type" of management.

Name: Ted
E-mail: tedwere@yahoo.com
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for 1-10 years
Posted: 14 May 2009

Friends,

The Coral May Boehlke fund mentioned earlier today in Jared's memory
is now set up with the tax dept and bank. Once again, for those who
wish to contribute:

Coral May Boehlke Fund
The Bank of Greene County
1 Technology Drive
West Coxsackie, NY  12192

Please feel free to forward this to other RR Industry organizations and
publications. 

Once again, my heartfelt thanks on behalf of Jared's family. These
contributions will be used to help insure that Jared's 3 year old
daughter, Coral May, might have a future and education having grown
into a young lady absent her loving father.

Ted

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 14 May 2009

PHILADELPHIA INQUIRER      May 12, 2009
CSX Repairman Killed at Bucks Railroad Crossing
            A CSX repairman was killed when he was struck by a
tractor-trailer at a railroad crossing in Middletown Township, Bucks
County, yesterday afternoon, a company spokesman said.
The man, whose name was being withheld, was fixing a warning signal
when he was hit by the truck, the spokesman said.
            The driver was reportedly questioned by police, but no
further information was available last night.

Name: Lloyd Christmas-CSX most hated
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 14 May 2009

Seems like there have been a lot of more posters come out in the recent
tragedy following Jared Boehlke's death lately.  Well I and many
others are glad that you have found these forums because the more
people that know about the disgusting work practices committed by this
company the better. Also, I'm glad you are here because you are
definitely not alone in pain and suffering from what CSX has done to
you and your family. 

Because of the recent tragedy that we have all learned of I want each
and every one of you to hear me out.  This could have been prevented. 
Could Jared have done things different?  Why was Jared doing a two
person job by himself?  Why was there no assistance when asked?  Why
would one man be forced to change a knuckle while carrying a rco box? 
Why are we in this situation in the first place?  Where were our unions
for us when the carrier decided to go to one man rco's when that is
clearly dangerous?  Why did the UTU sell out the engineer by agreeing
to this stupid box in the first place? Why are hundreds of men on the
street while some men work relentlessly hardly ever seeing their
families?  Why would a college kid with zero railroad experience be put
in charge?  Why do we all continue to sit back and watch all of this
unfold?  
If this doesn't call for a strike or a safety strike I have no idea
what does.  Our unions need to grow a pair or we will grow a pair for
them.  The loss of this man's life could have been prevented. This
should show everyone that profit is more important to CSX or any class
1 for that matter than human life.  The truth of the matter is, the
only reason why the even preach safety the way they do is so they
don't have to fight lawsuits when bad things happen.  Seems like your
greed got the best of you this time CSX.  If one man operating an RCO
box isn't dangerous Im not sure what is.  

I'm calling on Jared's family for this one.  You guys make the date
and we wont go to work.  You mark a day on the calendar in remembrance
of your husband, brother, father, son, grandson, and I promise I'll do
everything in my power to get every one who reads this site or works for
CSX to call in or show up with signs that day. You call the day, we'll
make it happen. Something needs to grab the attention of a lot of men
out there and maybe, just maybe you all can do it. God bless.

Name: 
E-mail: mikewardisgay@gmail.com
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 14 May 2009

NTSB probes death of UTU member 
BETHLEHEM, N.Y. — A investigation into the death of a UTU member who
was killed working at the CSX railyard in Selkirk is underway, the
Daily Mail reports. 
According to Bob Sullivan, a CSX spokesman, investigators are working
to uncover the circumstances that led to the death of 33-year-old Jared
C. Boehlke. 

(Boehlke was a member of Local 212, Albany.) 

Boehlke died after being hit by a train in the CSX Selkirk railyard
just before 7 p.m. on Sunday. 

“We’re investigating,” said Sullivan. “We’re working with the Federal
Railroad Administration, Department of Transportation, the Bethlehem
Police Department and the National Transportation Safety Board to
investigate the circumstances and cause of the accident.” 

Sullivan added that they were going to “let the investigation run its
course and get a sound idea” before speculating as how to the accident
happened. 

According to a NTSB spokesman, Investigator Ed Dobranetski was
dispatched Monday morning to make a report of the incident. 

It could take Dobranetski a few days to file a report and between six
to 18 months before it is officially published, according to the NTSB
spokesman. 

Boehlke has been an employee of CSX for the past eight years and is
survived by his wife Heather and their three-year-old daughter. 

The UTU indicated that Boehlke and his family have been in the railroad
business for generations. 

“His father is a conductor, and a brother Dave is a conductor who was
on duty at the same time and accompanied him to the hospital,” wrote
George Casey, the UTU New England legislative director, on the union’s
Web site. 

(This item appeared May 13, 2009, in the Daily Mail. Additional
information added by UTU editors.)
 
May 13, 2009

Name: 
E-mail: mikewardisgay@gmail.com
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 14 May 2009

Ted:
You need to advise the family not to sign anything that CSX puts in
front of them. They will try to get out of this anyway they can, and if
that means coercing the family into signing some papers for a smaller
settlement they will not hesitate.
The family needs to find out if any other employees on duty that night
heard Jarod asking for assistance over the radio also. CSX will try to
buy their silence as well.

Name: Ted
E-mail: tedwere@yahoo.com
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for 1-10 years
Posted: 14 May 2009

The link to Jared's obituary below IS a clickable link. 

Sorry, didn't show that way in the preview.

Name: Ted
E-mail: tedwere@yahoo.com
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for 1-10 years
Posted: 14 May 2009

Friends,

Thank you for the emails and words of support and advice regarding the
death of my brother-in-law, Jared Boehlke. I'll pass on these
condolences to his wife, Heather, when the time is appropriate.

I'll send the obituary to Yardlimits.com as well.

For those who may have missed the obituary, it can be found here
(copy/paste):

http://www.legacy.com/timesunion-albany/Obituaries.asp?Page=Lifestory&PersonId=127247712

The original obit contained errors regarding times and place of the
wake and interment. THIS HAS BEEN CORRECTED in today's obituary
above.

Please note that a fund for Jared's 3 year old Daughter, Coral May
Boehlke, has been established to accept contributions in Jared's
memory, and may be sent to:

Coral May Boehlke Fund
The Bank of Greene County
1 Technology Drive
West Coxsackie, NY  12192

There was some difficulty as of yesterday regarding appropriate tax ID
#'s to open the fund which will be resolved this morning. The Bank has
promised to hold all donations for deposit pending today's resolution.

Again, Many Thanks on behalf of the family.

God Bless... Ted

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 14 May 2009

It will be interesting to see how CSX explains this tragedy...Mr. 
Boehlke had 8 years of experience and was probably well seasoned on
Remote operations.

Amongst other verbiage, I'm sure the word complacent will be used!

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 13 May 2009

Everybody with a sack needs to start emailing their union,the fra and
ask the question, "now what?"

Im sure CSX was hoping that alot of people hadnt already heard how
things happened to Jerod Boehlke, but my guess is they have been
reading this site, and others and now know they have some serious
damage control to do.

People in Selkirk need to contact the newspapers with what they know
and do not let this get swept under the corporate carpet.

We still know the unions are going to say we cant strike so thats
pointless, theres no way youll get enough cooperation for that. But we
can get this story public so maybe somebody will start paying attention
to the sadistic ways of CSX.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 13 May 2009

I doubt a jury will ever hear the facts because CSX wants to settle this
as soon as possible.

Everyone needs to be extra vigilant...it seems like events like this
occur in threes. The last time this happened there were 2 deaths and an
amputation in late '06.

Name: ht long
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 13 May 2009

well I just started reading csx sux again......somethings never change
like why is there forums on different topics when the ignorant posters
post to all? no matter what the topic is web master just make one
forum,.... for these stooges dont understand, or have a need to boost
their Ego's on every forum.
I only need to read one forum the rest seems to be wasting my time,
you need to follow instructions but duh?????? it aint gonna happen

Name: RG
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 20-30 years
Posted: 13 May 2009

The rr for years has always preached SAFETY but we all know the main
course is for the company to make money,,, PERIOD. I also knew
something bad would happen with the remotes and now it did, Lets see
how they try to cover the real facts up in court as i am sure the
company lawyers are already working on a pack of lies to tell the jury,
We the men in the field already know that many minor derailments caused
by remotes were covered up and still are, Its the SOS always trying to
cut that fat hog in the ass.

I wrote a artical to one of those railfan sites about how the rr,s
should install distant switch signals in dark territory as a few major
derailments have occured and distant switch signals would have
prevented these wrecks and man i got it from the FOAMERS as all of them
said the rr,s can not do that as it would cost them billions of dollars,
One foamer told me it would cost the rr 1 million dollars to wire 1
singel switch to a distant signal!!! I often wonder were these FOAMERS
get that kind of information as most of them do not know thier asses
from a hole in the ground about rr operations, The FOAMERS always talk
like rr officials saying its a human factor involved in any type of
derailment, A bunch of dumb stupid wanna bee,s just like our rr
officials is what these railfan FOAMERS really are, I wish they would
just go away and stay home and play with thier HO trains in the
basement or under thier x-mas trees.

Name: FUQCSX
E-mail: 
Employed as: Brakeman, for 10-20 years
Posted: 13 May 2009

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Name: SAM the RAILROAD MAN
E-mail: 
Employed as: Locomotive Engineer, for 30+ years
Posted: 13 May 2009

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Name: robofuq
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 13 May 2009

First, my thoughts and prayers go out to the family.  To speculate
exactly what happened is pointless right now.  The FRA will do a
thorough investigation independant of CSX's, results will be published
on their website.  Beyond that, when a memorial fund is set up, please
post that information on this site.  Many of his brothers want to help,
you know the company isn't going to do a goddamned thing for the
family.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Yard Master, for 20-30 years
Posted: 13 May 2009

I wonder if this Trainmaster Cameron is related to CSX Trainmaster Chris
Cameron?  CSXT likes to keep it All in the Family for some reason(s).

Name: JAFO
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 13 May 2009

Looks like C--- S----- _X----- Titanic is leaking and could use more
legal torpedoes to put in this shit hole. 


This place is leaking bad with more problems and lies will come out on
this corrupt corporation.   Wonder how the Chessie Mafia Godfather Ward
is feeling now.   Time too get rid of Ingram and Brownie.

Let it rip.    This outfit should be eligible for a RICO lawsuit.

Name: Ennis
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 13 May 2009

I was saddened to hear about a fallen brother in Selkirk. I do not know
the details of this tragic accident. My sympathy goes to his family. I
do believe that CSX has put men in harms way in order to save a few
dollars. I cannot understand a 1 man remote job- IT IS UNSAFE! I cannot
understand a yard job with just an engineer and a foreman. All yard jobs
should have a switchman, and all remotes should have 2 men. Why did the
unions let them cut the jobs? I hate RCO jobs! I believe for safety
reasons that WE should DEMAND change! I call for a SAFETY STRIKE! I am
only one man/ one voice, but I realize that under these working
conditions, Each and every one of us is at risk every day we are out
here. One thing I have seen is a bunch of apathy in most workers here
at CSX. The Company is run like crap! A bunch of morons making stupid
decisions that affect our lives- LITERALLY! WE need to show solidarity
to effect change. Everyone here knew it was just a matter of time until
someone paid the ultimate sacrifice. Thank God that you are able to read
this today, because it could be you tomorrow. Again, I feel for this
man's family in their time of grief; my prayers are with them. If the
allegations are correct about the TM, then someone needs to take him
for a long walk. I hope the family sues for Billion$. I hope they
bankrupt this Company! SAFETY STRIKE!!!!!!!!!!

Name: Ted
E-mail: tedwere@yahoo.com
Employed as: Friend or family of employee, for 1-10 years
Posted: 13 May 2009

Greetings friends and members. My name is Ted, and I am Jared Boehlke's
brother-in law. I was introduced to the family via my relationship with
Jared's sister-in-law 5 years ago. Jared's wife, Heather, is my
girlfriend's baby sister.

I was greeted very warmly by Heather and the Boehlke family when I
first appeared on the scene 5 years ago. I knew Jared to be a loving,
caring, intelligent person. I had the honor of attending thier marriage
and, a year or so later, the birth of his now 3 year old daughter, Coral
Mae.

While I liked Jared very much, we seldom got to spend the time together
that I would have liked. This is because he was such a dedicated husband
and father, and his shift work only allowed limited appearences at
family picnics. holiday gatherings and such. Whatever time he was
allowed outside the yard was spent with his wife and child first...
which, of course, is as it should be.

His death on the job last weekend is devestating to hundreds of people,
not the least of which is his his wife and child.

I've spent the last couple days trying to learn everything I can about
the industry in an effort to apply some meaning to his death. I read
about knuckles, RCO's, humps, switches, TM's, FM's, YM's, scissors,
etc. But I don't understand the industry still.

What I do know, is that this was an unnecessary situation that could
easily have been avoided. Another sister-in-law just dropped off the
suit and clothes he'll be buried in as I write this.

Please folks, don't let his death be in vain. There is no
justification.

Thanks for letting me vent.

Ted

PS: God Bless You Jared, your family and friends in this difficult
time. You will be dearly missed.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Train Master/ supervisor, for 10-20 years
Posted: 13 May 2009

My thoughts and prayers go out to the family of the Conductor at
Selkirk. I mean no disrespect with the following comments at all. The
CSX plan is to divert traffic from Buffalo, overload Willard and
Selkirk and order some body bags for those at Willard and Selkirk.
Great job management team at Selkirk, over 2200 cars processed on the
day we loose and employee there. Geat company to work for ... I can
only pray that eventually they will get what they deserve.

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 13 May 2009

Mr. Gordon is the real deal:

      http://gordon-elias.com/

Name: 
E-mail: mikewardisgay@gmail.com
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 13 May 2009

Oh and while im on a rant...fuck the shareholders as well. they know
what the hell this company is doing.....

Name: 
E-mail: mikewardisgay@gmail.com
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 13 May 2009

Would be nice to see a strike, but not likely to happen. Actually it
would be nice to see something from the unions and fra on this.
Like previously stated, i am beginning to weigh the money to the
treatment, and i am at the point where i want to grab one of the upper
management and bash his head in with my csx approved lantern and
resign. I can say this is the worst company i have ever come to work
for, and its continually getting worse, the FEDERAL people are of no
help, they proved that when they came out all big with the letter to
Michael Ward.....well we still havent seen any action from them. 
Unions keep giving these "keep your head up" speeches, thats all fine
and good, but if people keep getting furloughed, then dues aint getting
paid. So continue to sit by and let the company run its employees off
and kill the unions all in one swoop.

I am sure everyone that was in that yard on the evening this happened
has been talked to already about keeping things hush hush, i can only
hope no "brother" is low enough to buy into CSX's bullshit and help
in the cover up the real details of what happened to this man. Lots of
people are scared they will get fired, well youre going to get fired
anyway so fuck what they tell you to say.

Some say Ward doesnt know about all the things Ingram and his buds do
to the employees, i call bullshit.  If he is so involved in this
company, as CEO he should know everything that goes on.
Like i said before, what do ya say now mikey?

Name: NoMo
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 13 May 2009

To the family of Jerod Boehlke, my sincere condolences.

Jarod is not the first, nor will he be the last to die needlessly
because of arrogance, stupidity and indifference to CSX's own
operating rules by incompetent and unqualified managers.

You have already been contacted by CSX lawyers. CSX will compensate 
you well in exchange for a release. CSX will not admit any guilt.

Until CSX is held accountable for their actions the lives of their
employees are meaningless as is the death of your loved one.

In my opinion, you should meet with the Albany County District
Attorney...what happened to Jerod is criminal and CSX should not be
allowed to get away with it. Here is a link to his office:

             http://www.albanycountyda.com/contact.html

I know it's not much solace, but everyone who has ever worked for the
railroad is thinking about you and Jerod.

Name: fucsx
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 13 May 2009

Steve, if you are truly a lawyer who goes after the railroads then I
think you need to go take a trip up to Selkirk pronto.  If this isn't
a case of pure negligence by this company and a trainmaster I cant tell
you what is.  Oh and while you are at it, you should also look into all
the cases of men having to pay for the "railroad school" to get their
jobs while shortly after railroaders could go to Atlanta while getting
PAID to train and get their job.  It doesn't make sense to me how one
minute you have to pay thousands to get on with a company and then get
paid to join the same one.  Oh and on top of all that, I'd say a huge
percentage of those guys who paid for their employment are LAID
off...but are still paying the bill to whatever institution that
financed their money for the railroad school.  Go get em Steve, someone
needs to.

Name: Steve Gordon
E-mail: sgordon@gordon-elias.com
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 13 May 2009

Dear All-

I am a lawyer that sues railroads. In our firms experience, only in
VERY rare circumstances, do the railroads ever try to be fair to an
injured employee. Ninety-nine percent of the time, the exact moment you
make a report of injury you become the "enemy". It does not matter
that you have given all you have to give for the railroad. CSX is, by
far, the worst of the worst. They will convince people to lie about
their injury after persuading them not to make a report. They will
actually fly head honchos in from Jacksonville to do this. They know
the person got hurt at work but they will just stand their and watch
the person make a false statement after hours of intimidation. We like
suing railroads and we like getting Managers under oath. Their evil
ways do not stop with just injuries. They will do the same to a widow
and try and quick settle with them.

Sincerely,

Lie Hunter

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 13 May 2009

We all know our unions will do NOTHING to help us. WE are the only ones
who can stop this. From Willard to Selkirk there should be a strike.
Shutting down the ENTIRE Northeast corridor is the only thing these
MORONS will understand. And believe me, we won't be on strike to long.
Thats' it...STRIKE, nothing else. Our union officials can negociate til
their blue in the face. At corporate headquarters it goes in one ear and
out the other. While these "executives" cut our jobs, put men on the
street, and collect huge bonuses. Worse yet, there are people dying
because of their decisions, or the lack there of.

I can only wonder if Jarod, while performing the duties he was ordered
to, was looking over his shoulder. I wouldn't doubt if there was a
little white SUV watching from a distance. Watching for a slip up. If
not, after he ask for assisitance, I bet one was being sent from the
tower.

It's very hard to perform your job duties while the whole time
wondering if you'll be taken out of service for something you did or
didn't do. It's a horrible work environment.

The company doesn't realize that their workforce is an open wound
that's infected and festering. EVERYONE, not some, EVERYONE I talked
to can't stand the people we work for. I personally, wonder if the
money is worth it.

I have had the persoanl displeasure of dealing with Mike Cameron. Talk
about a wide-eyed college kid? He is the poster boy for sure. He was
hired because his brother Chris is a trainmaster. Not because of
experience. Both have the brain the size of a pea. Mike has no clue
whatsoever. Both are hated. I've said it once, I'll say it again, CSX
has THE WORST low and mid level managers I've ever dealt with.
Something has to be done.

STRIKE, STRIKE, STRIKE, STRIKE, STRIKE, STRIKE, STRIKE, STRIKE. 
That's the ONLY way thing will change and get better.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 13 May 2009

I think its pretty messed up that this employee paid dues every month to
the union, and with all the stories going around about the way/reason
for this senseless death all his union gave him was a mere couple of
paragraphs on their fucking website.

Hmmmm, unions+fra+carrier in bed together????????

Name: 
E-mail: mikewardisgay@gmail.com
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 13 May 2009

Ok its after business hours at CSX, still nothing.....they must be
running around like chickens with their heads cut off trying to fix
this debaucle.

Come on mike, what do ya say now?

Name: retired
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 30+ years
Posted: 13 May 2009

well I am not surprised that someone got kill while using a
remote.accidents will continue to happen but I hope not this bad. there
is no need to worry C S X will be out soon with another of their free
safety steak dinners. I have said for a long time that the good old U T
U and everyone else should get out of this so call safety program but it
will not happen because too many good old boys is getting that safety
money from C S X if you will notice they are the ones that makes all
the union meetings and keeping the free stake dinners coming for they
never miss a days pay giving to them by C S X.even all your local
chairmans is for this free pay.get to the local union meeting vote this
out no more handouts for a few people when C S X is not involve in what
they preach.I feel for all of you having to put up with all their bull
shit rules even the ones that is not working.safety is not number one
with C S X sooner or latter everyone will realise that money is first
on there list .I am glad I donot have to put up with all the shit that
you all has to put up with now.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Employed in other capacity, for 1-10 years
Posted: 13 May 2009

Thank you all for your posts about Jared and not keeping quiet! our
co-workers all need to know the truth! my prayers go out to his family,
friends, union brothers and sisters. i hope CSX will learn from this and
start hiring TM's with actual RR experience!!! not college kids! 
he will be missed by all.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: Other, non-employee, for N/A
Posted: 13 May 2009

GOOD INFO,
Looks like the remote with 1 person should be avoided. We shall see how
that works out.

Name: fedup
E-mail: 
Employed as: Conductor, for 1-10 years
Posted: 13 May 2009

Criminal charges should be pursued by this family, against the
trainmaster as well as csx, accidental deaths are prosecutable if there
was neglect, and the trainmaster definitely showed neglect. The coverup
is underway.

Name: 
E-mail: 
Employed as: APE, for 1-10 years
Posted: 13 May 2009

This did not have to happen. Jerod should still be with us.

Here is the obituary notice:
http://www.legacy.com/TimesUnion-Albany/Obituaries.asp?Page=Lifestory&PersonId=127208069


Here are the news links:
http://www.fox23news.com/news/local/story/Greene-County-Man-Killed-in-Train-Yard/2kx-Ldg7i0-LfOujcw3OoQ.cspx


http://www.cbs6albany.com/news/train-1263206-preparing-information.html

http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=799027

http://wnyt.com/article/stories/S924679.shtml?cat=300

As far as I am concerned the FRA is useless in getting involved. They
are no better than the carrier who implemented the remotes to begin
with. The FRA knows that the remotes are not as productive and safe as
having a qualified locomotive engineer on the head end. They go so far
as to review remote operations and use the excuse that since the
technology is still “new” the operations will be revisited and
reviewed. The FRA gives “guidelines” and “suggestions” such as not
riding freight cars and hanging off of moving equipment with the box,
but stops short of actually making implementation mandatory by the
carriers. Instead, the FRA leaves it up to the remote control
operator’s “discretion.” They may as well be in bed with the carriers.


Then you have clueless lackeys like CSX spokesperson Bob Sullivan who
claims “no action is ever taken without safety being the first and
foremost priority.” They program them to say this stuff – it’s all
about safety, dontcha know. This is laughable because what it really
comes down to is a money issue on the part of CSX. They have eliminated
a locomotive engineer with each yard job, saving thousands over the
course of a day in a big class yard like Selkirk or Waycross. So they
have a fatality or major injury once in awhile? The remotes pay for
themselves over the course of time!

The remotes DO work – to say that they do not would be fallacy.
However, what they do NOT do is work WELL. At best, they work with a
fair degree of mediocrity when used on the hump. In the class yard?
Forget it. Maybe 50% to 60% as effective as having an engineer on the
job. And as demonstrated by this current fiasco, not very safe,
either.

By their very use, a remote control box adds the additional duties once
held by a locomotive engineer and gives them to the trainman on the
ground. The railroad has set up “zones” where each locomotive and
operator works exclusively. This is done for two reasons. First, to
avoid having locomotives running into each other and second, to avoid
having to have a man on the head end or in the locomotive. The
locomotive is set up with GPS to communicate with electronic
transmitters (or “pucks” for those of us in the know) placed
strategically on the tracks to stop it before it leaves the yard, and
to regulate the distance it can go while switching.

What remotes do NOT do is respond to the controls and control a
locomotive as safely and effectively as a qualified and certified
locomotive engineer. And no matter what the carrier says with their
smoke-and-mirrors show, there is simply no substitute for having a
qualified locomotive engineer in the cab of that engine to control it
and prevent it from moving. How many times do we remote control
operators have to select a direction (forward/reverse), hit the
vigilance button and select the speed or throttle position only to get
a “speed selector” error message (indicating that you failed to hit the
vigilance button prior to selecting a speed), when there have been NO
errors and you actually HAVE done it properly? How many times does the
box get knocked into neutral while riding cars, immediately stopping
the movement? Or you inadvertently lean on the power button while
riding a car, effectively turning off the box and stopping the
movement, completely unplanned? How about thinking, “Wow, this seems a
bit fast,” and you look down and see that the speed you had it in, like
7 mph, has been accidentally knocked up to 10 mph or God-forbid, 15
mph.
 
Never mind the fact that changing a knuckle should be performed by a
car inspector when they are available and on-duty at the same supply
point. In fact, it was the geniuses at the FRA who decided that utility
trainmen - despite the fact that they can attach themselves to a crew to
assist, even so far as taking over the box  - could NOT foul equipment
in order to assist in changing knuckles. Instead, the FRA mandated that
responsibility (fouling equipment, changing knuckles) belonged solely to
the remote conductor and not another member of the crew. It was also the
geniuses at the FRA who declared that removing the vest with the box, or
turning off the box was a de-certifiable offense. Unfortunately, the
assistance of a utility trainman and setting the handbrake on the
engine and then dumping it (initiating an emergency brake application)
and turning off the b